[00:08] <JHOSMAn> Hello! =)
[00:09] <JHOSMAn> Can anyone help me with this?  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24590774/select-query-cannot-join-with-another-table-join-zend-framework (PHP)
[00:13] <fredh> Hey guys is their a good guide for using wget sort of like a cookbook of recipes and uses
[00:13] <diverdude> Hello...i have put some .so files in /usr/local/lib in order to run a program...however when i run the program the .so files are not found...however if i put them in /usr/lib instead it works as expected...why cant it work in /usr/local/bin? Why is there 2 bin folders?
[00:14] <compdoc> paths, most likely. youve set permissions?
[00:16] <diverdude> compdoc, i just copied
[00:16] <diverdude> no permissions
[00:16] <compdoc> in the directory, type:   la -al
[00:16] <compdoc> and set the permissions the same
[00:16] <compdoc> and executable
[00:17] <compdoc> the same as the other files
[00:17] <compdoc> sorry, its ls -al
[00:18] <compdoc> set owner too
[00:21] <robmister> does any one know what to do with zip file encryption, i am using ubuntu studio / xfce/ xubuntu and programs i am installing to do what i need are showing up/ usable.. what do i do?
[00:22] <robmister> are not showing up are unusable.. sorry my error
[00:23] <robmister> any one?
[00:25] <SchrodingersScat> !info unzip | robmister
[00:26] <robmister> my xfce isnt recognizing any application i doqnload for it...
[00:26] <robmister> i am using ubuntu studio, xfce/ xubuntu
[00:27] <SchrodingersScat> robmister: I'm not sure that would make a difference with unzip
[00:27] <robmister> i can even create a zip file... no gui to use... i would rather stray away from using command line
[00:27] <robmister> cant create
[00:28] <robmister> everytime i got to create an archive is says no usable archive found
[00:32] <Glorfindel> where can I get the Wubi program? It isn't on the download page anymore
[00:33] <SchrodingersScat> !wubi | Glorfindel
[00:33] <k3rn3lpanic> hello. I have added some settings to sysctl.conf. the problem is, they don't get loaded automatically after boot unless I call sysctl -p explicitly. how do I debug this?
[00:34] <function9> how do you restart samba?
[00:34] <SchrodingersScat> Glorfindel: I was expecting it to recommend you not use wubi, but then there it is..
[00:35] <jazzkutya> hi, i'd like to read opinions and advices on what filesystem to use for general storage that would be shared between ubuntu and win7. ext3 or ntfs?
[00:36] <function9> jazzkutya: ntfs
[00:36] <bblindy> function9: you restart samba by running (as root) "service samba restart"
[00:36] <function9> bblindy: ty
[00:36] <SchrodingersScat> jazzkutya: I don't think you can run executables off ntfs, not sure if windows can read ext3 at all
[00:37] <[1]hypergrove> Hi how do I stop a service (php-fpm) that is NOT listed in service --status-all
[00:37] <jazzkutya> SchrodingersScat: general storage, no need to have elfs in there
[00:37] <[1]hypergrove> if i attempt to restart it, then it reports it's already running
[00:39] <function9> [1]hypergrove: you gotta find out how it is being executed.
[00:40] <Samtodd> Is there a way to control my fan speeds in Ubuntu?
[00:41] <jazzkutya> SchrodingersScat: windows can read/write ext2/3 with an opensource driver called ext2fsd if you are interested
[00:42] <edition> is there a generic printer driver for Brother devices on ubuntu?
[00:44] <reisio> edition: probably
[00:44] <edition> it keeps printing blank pages.
[00:57] <function9> edition: what are you using to configure your printer? you should have a selection of generic ppd's to choose
[00:57] <newebie87> i installed screenlets but it seems it's no longer supported is there a "widget" replacement
[01:03] <TheTrash> Anyone up? Trying to upgrade my 12.10 server, somewhere it tried to skip 13 and went to 14, now it gets stuck at trying to upgrade sysv-rc: http://sprunge.us/iJAC
[01:04] <TheTrash> Funny thing is: the file seems to be there: -rw-r--r-- 0 root root 351 Jul  6 02:43 /etc/rc5.d/README.dpkg-tmp
[01:09] <holstein> !eol | TheTrash
[01:12] <Guest50252> alguien sabe de la deb web
[01:12] <TheTrash> holstein: I was following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaringUpgrades , actually
[01:12] <holstein> TheTrash: you'll need the one for end of life upgrades
[01:13] <newebie87> i installed screenlets but it seems it's no longer supported is there a "widget" replacement?
[01:13] <holstein> TheTrash: you should have backups regardless.. and at somepoint, a fresh install will just be much easier, and i always prefer them.. otherwise you need to follow proceedure for EOL versions
[01:14] <TheTrash> Well, the system is in a weird state, but it's still booting, so at least I've got that going for me.
[01:15] <holstein> a fresh install will boot, and funciton properly, and take about 8 minuts to install
[01:15] <Guest50252> hola
[01:15] <holstein> a fresh install*
[01:15] <holstein> !es | Guest50252
[01:16] <TheTrash> Yeah I guess... I'll fiddle a bit and if I get no results, I guess I'll just back up the important configs and give up.
[01:16] <holstein> TheTrash: you shoud have important configs backedup regardless
[01:17] <holstein> TheTrash: you can run "sudo apt-get update" and pastebin results to get a volunteer to see
[01:17] <Guest50252>  /join #ubuntu-es
[01:18] <dumnut> hi, i isntalled xubuntu  and it works finwe. i wqnt to setup a dvr. is mythbuntu another flavor with dvr capablity in addition?
[01:19] <Guest50252> hola
[01:20] <TheTrash> apt-get update: http://sprunge.us/LAZP apt-get upgrade: http://sprunge.us/KLYi
[01:20] <TheTrash> Just seems so silly, it's choking on a readme file.
[01:20] <TheTrash> I'd like it to ignore that and just get on with it.
[01:21] <m0hamed> hello
[01:23] <TheTrash> holstein: what would happen if I force remove it (it has deps and they're a bit essential) then freshly install that package?
[01:25] <TheTrash> I'm a bit surprised dpkg -i --force-all sysv-rc_2.88dsf-41ubuntu6_all.deb won't do it
[01:26] <rypervenche> TheTrash: You could always touch that file so it finds it.
[01:26] <TheTrash> rypervenche: that's the thing, it exists.
[01:27] <rypervenche> TheTrash: run "stat /etc/rc5.d/README.dpkg-tmp" for me please
[01:28] <TheTrash> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753698/
[01:32] <jazzkutya> TheTrash: my guess is corrupt filesystem, but wait for rypervenche's answer
[01:33] <jazzkutya> anyway if i'm right then it's fsck time :)
[01:33] <TheTrash> Hmpf I rebooted, figured it'd fsck, but it's headless.
[01:33] <TheTrash> Need to hook up a screen, I guess.
[01:34] <Ben64> TheTrash: why do you have so many packages held
[01:34] <TheTrash> Ben64: it's a botched do-release-upgrade
[01:34] <Ben64> ooh..
[01:36] <jazzkutya> TheTrash: i think there is a way to force a full fsck on next reboot but i don't know the specifics
[01:36] <jazzkutya> i mean details
[01:36] <presonic> just installed samba, uncommented [homes] section and gave the smbd/nmbd service a restart, tried to login from a different machines via \\ip\username but doesn't work.  is it a 'domain' problem?
[01:36] <Ben64> i don't think the filesystem is the problem
[01:37] <rypervenche> TheTrash: let's move to a PM so we don't spam everyone.
[01:37] <TheTrash> Sure, thanks
[01:38] <Ben64> !pm | rypervenche & TheTrash
[01:39] <Ben64> use a pastebin if necessary to avoid spam
[01:40] <rypervenche> Ben64: We can put the outcome in the channel. I feel as though we're going to spam up the place with all the questions I'll need to ask.
[01:40] <jazzkutya> i also would like to see if my guess due to stat showing zero links was right or not
[01:40] <Ben64> its what the channel is for, don't worry
[01:45] <znake11> hello
[01:46] <boogle> hello
[01:46] <znake11> i have a computer question
[01:46] <boogle> what is it
[01:46] <reisio> znake11: prove it!
[01:46] <TheTrash> Doh, corrupt filesystem indeed, rebooted with a forced fsck, it found some errors, fixed them, now it's continuing.
[01:46] <TheTrash> Probably turned that file into a Heisenfile.
[01:47] <jazzkutya> Ben64: see? :)
[01:47] <reisio> heh
[01:47] <TheTrash> Thanks for the pointers, guys.
[01:48] <TheTrash> Fun detail: the install is on a SD-card in a SATA-to-SD adapter.
[01:48] <TheTrash> I do get the occasional fs corruption, but usually they get picked up on boot.
[01:49] <TheTrash> Maybe I should fork out the $30 to get a proper SSD in this machine.
[01:49] <jazzkutya> TheTrash: you may want to do a very intensive memtest then but i'm not sure
[01:50] <TheTrash> In my experience, these removable storage devices are simply a lot less reliable, I have similar experiences running stuff off USB keys
[01:51] <TheTrash> Probably missing a few of the integrity preservation mechanisms that are present on normal drives.
[01:51] <jazzkutya> i see your point
[01:53] <TheTrash> Usually nothing a fsck can't fix though... and this time too, it just caught me off guard by the peculiar manifestation :)
[01:54] <newebie87> i installed screenlets on ubuntu but it seems it's no longer supported is there a "widget" replacement?
[01:57] <reisio> newebie87: what's it do?
[01:57] <newebie87> It is like plazmoides clock cpu usage etc
[02:02] <DadFoundMy> whats the best way use s2disk on a laptop lid close?
[02:16] <Guest49756> lubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:16] <knoppix> debian rules
[02:16] <Guest49756> or xubuntu?
[02:16] <Guest49756> or Ubuntu?
[02:17] <knoppix> debian
[02:17] <knoppix> DEBIAN!
[02:17] <Ben64> knoppix: stop
[02:17] <knoppix> KNOPPIX
[02:17] <cfhowlett> knoppix enough
[02:17] <DadFoundMy> Guest49756: i prefer xubuntu, but it depends what your looking for
[02:17] <knoppix> HAHa
[02:17] <knoppix> h
[02:17] <knoppix> h
[02:17] <knoppix> h
[02:17] <knoppix> h
[02:17] <knoppix> h
[02:17] <knoppix> h
[02:17]  * rau raises an eyebrow at knoppix.
[02:17] <unopaste> knoppix you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[02:18] <Ben64> Guest49756: use what you like the most, unless you need something very lightweight, in which case i'd suggest lubuntu
[02:18] <Guest49756> seriously though, I came in here looking for some advice about something else
[02:18] <DadFoundMy> ?
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <cfhowlett> Guest49756 it REALLY helps when you ask the question that you actually want answered
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <cfhowlett> !ops knoppiix
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <Guest49756> sorry lol
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <knoppix> h
[02:18] <unopaste> knoppix you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[02:19] <Guest49756> Um I'm saving up for a tablet that's £665 and I'm £320 away. I was wondering what jobs I could get as a 16 year old that would help me obtain this money
[02:20] <DadFoundMy> Guest49756: wierd place to ask this question....
[02:20] <knoppix> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[02:20] <knoppix> hello
[02:20] <DadFoundMy> but i make that money trading bitcoin as a 16 year old
[02:20] <Guest49756> I couldn't find a chatroom devoted to it
[02:20] <osse> Guest49756: Tesco
[02:20] <Ben64> well it definitely isn't this channel, we do have #ubuntu-offtopic  though
[02:21] <knoppix> build a gameing pc for that much
[02:21] <Guest49756> I game on consoles
[02:21] <edition> Im 17, and need a job.
[02:21] <DadFoundMy> Guest49756: if your interested in getting started in bitcoin you can /query me
[02:21] <edition> get a job :D
[02:21] <cfhowlett> edition wrong channel.  ask mom or dad to help you
[02:22] <edition> ha ha. sorry
[02:22] <cfhowlett> Guest49756 same as abov e
[02:22] <edition> still can't get Printer driver working
[02:22] <Guest49756> mum and dad are "too poor" apparently
[02:22] <Guest49756> some bs like that
[02:22] <edition> who pays for your accomodation, food, etc?
[02:23] <edition> some bs like that
[02:23] <Guest49756> im 16
[02:23] <DadFoundMy> anyway back to ubuntu...whats the best way to make s2disk exectue on laptop lid clsoe
[02:23] <DadFoundMy> would a bash script be best?
[02:24] <knoppix> poop
[02:24] <knoppix> poooooo
[02:24] <Guest49756> shut it knoppix
[02:24] <knoppix> hello kitty
[02:25] <knoppix> trollllllllll
[02:25] <osse> DadFoundMy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopLidAndDockScripts
[02:25] <DadFoundMy> osse: thanks
[02:25] <knoppix> join #chatroom23
[02:26] <knoppix> join #chatroom23
[02:26] <knoppix> join #chatroom23
[02:26] <knoppix> join #chatroom23
[02:26] <rau> knoppix: Please stop abusing your return key, you wicked piece of shit.
[02:26] <knoppix> join #chatroom23
[02:26] <IdleOne> rau: mind your language please
[02:26] <cfhowlett> rau no profanity please.  he's being observed and will be dealt with
[02:26] <DadFoundMy> seriously guys no need to feed the trolls, somesones already notfied the ops
[02:26] <edition> Brother printer driver for monochrome printer not working
[02:27] <edition> just blank pages
[02:29] <edition> it works fine under windows...
[02:29] <Guest49756> yahoo windows
[02:29] <edition> stupid Brother printer driver...
[02:29] <cfhowlett> Guest49756 stay on topic - ubuntu
[02:29] <Guest49756> sorry.
[02:30] <cfhowlett> !printer|edition
[02:30] <edition> I have the CUPS driver, but it leaves blank pages!
[02:30] <edition> no error messages...
[02:31] <jazzkutya> did ubuntu switched to systemd?
[02:31] <edition> IRC is the best thing since sliced bread.
[02:32] <cfhowlett> !info systemd
[02:32] <jazzkutya> thx
[02:34] <Guest49756> lol edition
[02:34] <edition> printer model: Brother HL-1110
[02:35] <edition> not a laughing matter...
[02:35]  * edition bangs head on desk
[02:36]  * edition swearing at the printer
[02:43] <edition> where to get the right driver for Brother HL-1110
[02:43] <xjkx> I think my installation of 14.04 is still in default forms, I can play Youtube videos but it tells me I need to install flash, why is that, what flash version am I running, is it gnash ?
[02:44] <modernbob> anyone good with samba. the service will not start and I can find no log or reason for it
[02:44] <edition> try the terminal
[02:45] <modernbob> edition: ?
[02:45] <cfhowlett> !flash|xjkx
[02:46] <tertu> !Gnash
[02:46] <cfhowlett> xjkx or get the full meal deal by installing ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:46] <xjkx> Hmm, thanks
[02:46] <edition> ubuntu meals-on-wheels
[02:48] <xjkx> I told it to install restricted extra, it told me it will install many things, like gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, but I have gstreamer1.0, am I not downgrading this ?
[02:50] <pavlos> modernbob, service samba restart is not working, try service start smbd start and service nmbd start ... same for stop
[02:51] <cfhowlett> xjkx that is not downgrading.  those are the long-list of codecs for multimedia
[02:52] <xjkx> Hmm, thanks
[02:53] <modernbob> pavlos: I appreciate the help. its much bigger than that.. it just won't start. I am going to purge it and redo it.
[02:53] <pavlos> modernbob, there is a testparms /etc/samba/smb.conf to test your config file
[02:54] <meganerd> +1 for pavlos suggestion on testparm
[02:54] <modernbob> pavlos: confi was fine.. it just won't start
[02:54] <pavlos> modernbob, I assume you're running 14.04 and samba 4.1.6
[02:55] <modernbob> pavlos: yes..
[02:55] <pavlos> modernbob, can you pastebin your smb.conf?
[02:56] <meganerd> modernbob: what exactly does testparm say?
[02:57] <modernbob> pavlos:
[02:57] <modernbob> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:57] <modernbob> rlimit_max: increasing rlimit_max (1024) to minimum Windows limit (16384)
[02:57] <modernbob> Processing section "[printers]"
[02:57] <rau> modernbob: Please stop abusing your return key, you hairy permavirgin.
[02:57] <modernbob> Processing section "[print$]"
[02:57] <modernbob> Loaded services file OK.
[02:57] <unopaste> modernbob you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[02:58] <pavlos> modernbob, please use pastebin, dont paste all lines, the bot gets angry
[02:58] <modernbob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753915/
[02:59] <modernbob> pavlos: so I purged the packages and reloaded still no joy
[02:59] <modernbob> pavlos: Failed to start Samba servers : /etc/init.d/samba start || (/etc/init.d/nmbd start ; /etc/init.d/smbd start) failed
[03:00] <pavlos> modernbob, I do not see a Workgroup = nor do  I see some dir you want shared
[03:00] <pavlos> modernbob, what are you truing to share?
[03:00] <pavlos> trying
[03:00] <modernbob> a dir...
[03:01] <meganerd> modernbob: sudo service smbd restart
[03:01] <modernbob> pavlos: but no matter if I strip out almost everything out of smb.conf it still won't start
[03:01] <meganerd> modernbob: though you probably want to define the share first.
[03:02] <pavlos> modernbob, there has to be a defn of that dir like ... [public] path=/opt/public guest ok = yes where /opt/public is 777 and chown nobody.nogroup
[03:02] <modernbob> pavlos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753924/
[03:02] <pavlos> modernbob, I helped someone yesterday and it is fresh in my mind
[03:03] <pavlos> modernbob, did you install samba AND samba-common?
[03:04] <modernbob> pavlos: yes
[03:05] <pavlos> modernbob, do you see the smbd and nmbd scripts in /etc/init.d/ ?
[03:05] <modernbob> pavlos: yes
[03:08] <pavlos> modernbob, try sudo /etc/init.d/smbd start
[03:08] <modernbob> nothing is returned like it started
[03:09] <pavlos> ps -ef | grep mbd
[03:09] <modernbob> 10342  3462  0 21:09 pts/3    00:00:00 grep --color=auto mbd
[03:10] <pavlos> modernbob, it is not running ... sudo /etc/init.d/smbd status
[03:10] <Guest49756> welp
[03:10] <Guest49756> its been fun
[03:10] <Guest49756> cya
[03:11] <modernbob> pavlos:  smbd is not running   <-- yes this is the problem
[03:11] <niranjan> Hi need help for 14.04 install. Its fresh install, 20 minutes old. After installation ran apt-get update/upgrade and then ran apt-get install emacs
[03:11] <niranjan> Now it says broken - can not find emacs24-common
[03:11] <modernbob> pavlos: but there is nothing I can find to tell me why
[03:11] <meganerd> modernbob: have you looked at /var/log/samba/log.smbd by any chance?
[03:12] <modernbob> yes.. there is no log
[03:12] <niranjan> Asks to run apt-get -f install, but that does not help
[03:12] <meganerd> modernbob: does /var/log/samba exist?
[03:12] <meganerd> modernbob: do you have enough disk space?
[03:12] <modernbob> the install drive is on a 4tb drive.. I think so
[03:13] <modernbob> the samba dir exists but no log file in it
[03:13] <modernbob> that was the first file I tried to look for when I noticed this
[03:13] <meganerd> modernbob: I don't care how big the drive is, how full are the partitions.
[03:14] <modernbob> no its not full
[03:14] <function9> niranjan: try synaptic
[03:15] <niranjan> function9: Tried that, it recommends to use command line
[03:15] <function9> try again and post the message
[03:16] <modernbob> meganerd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753946/
[03:18] <niranjan> function9: Can not copy actual message, but it says can not process emacs-common24.deb - can not copy extracted data for verliog-mode.elc
[03:18] <niranjan> Unexpected end of file or stream
[03:18] <niranjan> How do I clear apt cache?
[03:19] <function9> niranjan: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove
[03:20] <niranjan> function9: already tried that - this is brand new install and after installation I am just trying to install emacs as first thing
[03:20] <function9> niranjan: stable packages?
[03:21] <niranjan> apt-get clean seems to be helping - its downloading again
[03:21] <pavlos> modernbob, I suggest you remove samba and samba-common, clean up with autoremove then do it again 1) install samba samba-common 2) start services  the default smb.conf is good. Later, you can add shares.
[03:21] <niranjan> function9 : Yes, everything stable
[03:21] <function9> niranjan: good
[03:22] <modernbob> pavlos: already done that twice and even purged those packages to get rid of the files in the dir's...   There is something else wrong..
[03:22] <niranjan> function9 : Thank for the help, annoyed that this is 2nd time this is happening on 14.04 - actually similar problems forced to me reformat and then install. Very mysterious crashes
[03:22] <modernbob> oh well
[03:22] <vychune> hi i cant upload with ftp at all, not even to my home folder. Any ideas on whats wrong
[03:22] <pavlos> modernbob, something else is wrong ... I did those steps on my laptop 5 min ago
[03:22] <function9> niranjan: np :)
[03:23] <modernbob> pavlos: its not killing me.. I can ftp through the network internally and I share the printers through cups but it would be nice to have smb working.
[03:24] <modernbob> I can live with it
[03:24] <modernbob> pavlos: thanks for the help
[03:24] <pavlos> modernbob, np
[03:24] <vychune> anybody?
[03:25] <modernbob> vychune: perhaps permissions
[03:25] <holstein> vychune: permission..
[03:25] <vychune> checked files can be written locally
[03:25] <holstein> vychune: how about via FTP?
[03:25] <modernbob> vychune: did you check the dir they are in
[03:25] <holstein> vychune: if not, troubleshoot your permissions..
[03:26] <vychune> yes
[03:26] <vychune> modernbob, yes they were in /home/(my user)
[03:27] <vychune> holstein, permission are correct
[03:27] <holstein> vychune: how are you confimirming?
[03:28] <vychune> phone conversation
[03:28] <holstein> vychune: ah.. id see for yourself, then. first-hand.. its likely permissions..
[03:29] <vychune> hes using GNOME locally, the permission were changed
[03:30] <vychune> if its of any use, i cant even login to Webmin Remotely
[03:30] <vychune> if its of any use, i cant even login to Webmin remotely holstein (correction)
[03:31] <daftykins> !webmin
[03:31] <ssj5goku> i am new to ubuntu...where should i update my ubuntu?
[03:31] <holstein> vychune: sounds like permissions issues to me
[03:31] <vychune> daftykins, thanks
[03:32] <ssj5goku> i have heard that upgrading using the update tool is a bit harmful..
[03:32] <holstein> ssj5goku: there is an update manager,... also many ways, more manual.. such as "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal
[03:32] <holstein> ssj5goku: the update tool is harmful? not likely.. its all managed packages from managed sources.. unless you have edit the sources
[03:33] <cfhowlett> ssj5goku the update tool = the command line.  it just has a pretty interface.
[03:33] <modernbob> pavlos: just did a kernel upgrade and now its working?
[03:33] <pavlos> modernbob, holy molly ...
[03:33] <ssj5goku> @holstein i want to upgrade my ubuntu from 13.04 to 13.10
[03:33] <ssj5goku> is it ok??
[03:33] <vychune> okay, maybe i'm missing what you mean by permissions.
[03:34] <daftykins> !eol | ssj5goku
[03:34] <cfhowlett> ssj5goku 13.10 will reach end of life quite shortly.  consider upgrading to 14.04 for long term support
[03:34] <holstein> ssj5goku: i suggest backup and fresh install of 14.04.. but, that is an "upgrade".. not a simple "update"..
[03:35] <modernbob> im out.. thanks pavlos again
[03:36] <ssj5goku> holstein: ok.. ho to ugrade to 14.04?
[03:37] <ssj5goku> will i have to backup all my data
[03:37] <robinhood2014> I'm having trouble getting Java or OpenJDK working on Google Chrome on Ubuntu 14.04.
[03:37] <cfhowlett> ssj5goku download the iso.  make a usb.  boot the usb and clean install
[03:37] <ssj5goku> ok..
[03:37] <holstein> ssj5goku: you *should* have your data backedup regardless.. *all* hard drives fail
[03:38] <ssj5goku> ok..
[03:38] <cfhowlett> holstein !  valaur morgalis!  all HDD's must die ...
[03:38] <holstein> after doing that, i personally find it easier to just get the 14.04 live CD, see how it runs on my hardware, and fresh install.. you can see the EOL upgrade link above about how to upgrade your EOL 13.04 to 13.10 and/or to 14.04..
[03:38] <vychune> holstein, Ok how do I give permission to FTP? The default permissions on this machine are screwy
[03:38] <vychune> cfhowlett, lol
[03:39] <holstein> vychune: i would set up a user and give it permission.. and test
[03:39] <holstein> vychune: i would also get simple with the setup and just ping the machine..
[03:40] <cfhowlett> "Omnes HDD est nisi mortuum fuerit"
[03:40] <vychune> i can hit the machine and login with ftp, just can't change anything
[03:41] <holstein> vychune: then, migrate to a directory that that user can change.. and elaborate about "screwy".. if the machine is broken...
[03:42] <vychune> software not hardware
[03:42] <holstein> vychune: sure.. i didnt mean to imply anything different
[03:42] <vychune> oh well duhhh lol holstein
[03:42] <holstein> vychune: if the *software* on the machine is broken.. though, you'd do a good step to test the hardware as well
[03:43] <vychune> gnome system tools wasnt even installed now that i think abut it
[03:45] <vychune> holstein, new user cant ftp either
[03:45] <vychune> sounds like the umask now doesnt it? holstein
[03:46] <holstein> vychune: no.. sounds like misconfiguration, and permissions to me.. i would just start in somewhere and confirm.. or, just ssh in and do what needs to be done
[03:46] <holstein> vychune: ftp really shouldnt be used, depending on what you are doing..
[03:47] <vychune> holstein, i would like to use sftp
[03:47] <vychune> but we cant even write anything
[03:48] <vychune> holstein, web development and hosting
[03:49] <holstein> vychune: so, you want to use ssh, anyways..
[03:49] <Ben64> vychune: yeah you should be using sftp, pastebin any errors resulting from that
[03:49] <holstein> or, what Ben64 ^ is suggesting..
[03:52] <hdtune2k> hi
[03:53] <vychune> holstein, trying ssh
[03:54] <dotDeb> hdtune2k hi
[03:55] <vychune> connection refused holstein Ben64
[03:56] <holstein> vychune: so, check the firewall.. make sure you can ping.. check locally that you can connect to "ssh localhost" if thats an option..
[03:57] <holstein> again, if the software is "screwy", you'll need to elaborate.. if something is broken, you'll need to address it
[03:57] <vychune> holstein, TCP and UDP on the firewall right?
[03:57] <holstein> vychune: can you test locally?
[03:58] <holstein> vychune: if you can, then do that, first.. so you are not troubleshooting local and lan firewalls, and connectivity *and* the ssh server and all of that at once
[03:59] <vychune> local login works holstein
[04:00] <holstein> vychune: local ssh login?
[04:00] <vychune> holstein, yes sir
[04:00] <holstein> vychune: then, try on the lan.. ssh ipaddress.. ssh user@192.168.5.5 or whatever
[04:05] <vychune> holstein, just a sec, he has to download putty
[04:07] <vychune> holstein, connection refused
[04:09] <holstein> vychune: can you ping the machine? or not?
[04:09] <holstein> vychune: are you still on the lan?
[04:11] <vychune> he's on the lan yes
[04:11] <holstein> vychune: he? are *you* on the lan? or no?
[04:11] <vychune> im on the otherside of town
[04:12] <holstein> vychune: if "he" is third person troubleshooting, tell *him* to come here..
[04:12] <vychune> im third person troubleshooting
[04:12] <vychune> i cant get there
[04:12] <Priya--> hi
[04:12] <vychune> hes in another city
[04:13] <holstein> vychune: ok.. *you* can ask the user about his setup.. local connection, and then lan.. firewalls, etc.. *he* can join this public channel
[04:13] <cfhowlett> Priya-- ask your #ubuntu question
[04:14] <vychune> holstein, we would have to teach him linux in the process
[04:14] <Priya--> cfhowlett: my computer is getting corrupted very often
[04:14] <Annihilator009> please help my ubuntu ternimal doesn't respond to any commands?
[04:14] <holstein> vychune: ? to connect to the support channel? not likely
[04:15] <cfhowlett> !details|Priya--
[04:15] <holstein> Annihilator009: what commands are you trying? you cant type in it? what errors? if any..
[04:15] <Priya--> nm
[04:15] <holstein> Priya--: i would test my hard drive, and consider replacing it.. if its becoming corrupted regularly
[04:15] <daftykins> and RAM
[04:16] <holstein> ^ yup.. +1 on ram test..
[04:16] <Annihilator009> like fdisk-l etc... and also when it asks for password,when i type it doesn't show
[04:16] <Annihilator009> holstein^^
[04:16] <holstein> Annihilator009: passwords *dont* show.. they wont
[04:16] <cfhowlett> Annihilator009 ^^^ this
[04:16] <vychune> Annihilator009, they dont show for sercutiy
[04:16] <holstein> Annihilator009: and fdisk requires sudo.. so, try "sudo fdisk -l" and dont expect to see your password. just type as if its going in
[04:16] <Annihilator009> but also when i press enter it says try again
[04:17] <cfhowlett> Annihilator009 means you put in a bad psswd
[04:17] <Annihilator009> but i m sure it's correct
[04:17] <holstein> Annihilator009: sure.. but, thats not that he command isnt working.. or the terminal..
[04:17] <vychune> *security
[04:17] <Annihilator009> as for the sudo i use it
[04:17] <holstein> Annihilator009: you use what?
[04:17] <Annihilator009> sudo fdisk -l
[04:17] <Annihilator009> it just doesn't display
[04:17] <Annihilator009> anything
[04:18] <Annihilator009> i just recently installed it
[04:18] <holstein> Annihilator009: installed what?
[04:18] <helpmeplox> Hi!
[04:18] <Annihilator009> ubuntu 14.04
[04:19] <cfhowlett> helpmeplox ask your ubuntu question
[04:19] <helpmeplox> I have a really simple question that a lot of people are probably going to know the answer to
[04:19] <Annihilator009> please help? holestein
[04:19] <holstein> Annihilator009: nothing you are saying seems to indicate any error.. please open the terminal and run "uname -a".. do you get output?
[04:19] <helpmeplox> Okay, so I used xmodmap to remap my backspace key to my capslock key, since my backspace is broken
[04:19] <helpmeplox> That went well
[04:19] <Annihilator009> wait
[04:19] <helpmeplox> Buuut, now I can't get rid of the caps lock function of the key
[04:19] <vychune> tonyedwards, holstein he's in
[04:20] <helpmeplox> how do I make it backspace and nothing else?
[04:20] <Annihilator009> i did get an output
[04:20] <holstein> Annihilator009: congrats.. the terminal is working..
[04:20] <Annihilator009> so then what do you think is the problem?
[04:21] <holstein> Annihilator009: as i said, nothing
[04:21] <Annihilator009> ok
[04:21] <Annihilator009> but what about the password thingy
[04:22] <helpmeplox> Is anyone able to figure out how to completely switch the keys?
[04:22] <Annihilator009> holestien but what about the password thingy
[04:22] <holstein> Annihilator009: you can try "sudo -i" to make sure you are inputting the password properly.. i say, since you have been looking for the text of the password to show, you are just not familiar with the way sudo works.. and thats ok. you'll figure it out
[04:22] <Annihilator009> ok
[04:23] <Annihilator009> it still doesn't work
[04:23] <holstein> !tab
[04:23] <Annihilator009> though i m sure password is correct
[04:24] <holstein> Annihilator009: ok.. ask a question... "it doesnt work" is a statement
[04:25] <holstein> Annihilator009: either the password is working, or its not.. is it?
[04:25] <holstein> Annihilator009: whats the error message?
[04:25] <Annihilator009> ok so when i type in my password(doesn't appear) and press enter it says "sorry,Try again",though i m sure the password is correct
[04:26] <tonyedwards> Any idea why no users can write to any directories?
[04:26] <cfhowlett> tonyedwards permissions ...
[04:26] <holstein> Annihilator009: then, you must "try again".. make sure you are typing it properly, and the user has sudo access.. and you are using the one for that user
[04:27] <Annihilator009> yes.i m sure it's correct
[04:27] <tonyedwards> Users can write locally, but not over FTP  cfhowlett
[04:28] <cfhowlett> tonyedwards FTP?  no experience.  dont' want to give bad advice.  perhaps ##linux or #ubuntu-server can advise
[04:28] <holstein> Annihilator009: im not, though.. and neither is the computer. which is the key element here
[04:28] <holstein> tonyedwards: you shouldnt be using ftp like that, anyways. you should be using an ssh server for that
[04:29] <vychune> holstein, this is this guy I was talking about
[04:29] <vychune> holstein, we cant get ssh up
[04:29] <helpmeplox> sO DOES ANyone know how to swap keys completely without them retaining their original FUNCTIOn in addition to their new one?
[04:30] <cfhowlett> !keymap
[04:30] <cfhowlett> !keymapping
[04:30] <vychune> helpmeplox, why not just use delete?
[04:30] <helpmeplox> because that's not nearly as fast as backsapce
[04:30] <helpmeplox> and my backspace actuator is dead
[04:30] <holstein> tonyedwards: i would disable and remove ftp, install an ssh server, and connect locally, with "ssh localhost" to make sure the machine's ssh is working.. then, test with another machine on the lan with "ssh user@ipaddress". *then* move on to the port forwarding
[04:30] <holstein> !ssh
[04:31] <Annihilator009> i think my password is wrong now how do i change it holstein?
[04:31] <helpmeplox> So is there a way to completely switch the keys or am I SOL?
[04:31] <Annihilator009> please help
[04:32] <cfhowlett> !password | Annihilator009
[04:32] <holstein> vychune: you stated you could connect with "ssh localhost" if so, then ssh is up
[04:32] <holstein> vychune: if you cant connect from another machien on the lan, then its likely firewalls preventing the connection..
[04:32] <holstein> !password
[04:32] <vychune> holstein, on the machine itself, didnt think of that
[04:33] <holstein> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[04:33] <holstein> Annihilator009: then only topic of this channel is ubuntu support.. you just ask, you dont have to ask "please help".. just ask your questions
[04:33] <vychune> before i do anything that is what you mean right? holstein
[04:34] <Annihilator009> i think my password is wrong now how do i change it holstein?
[04:34] <cfhowlett> !password > Annihilator009
[04:34] <vychune> !firewall
[04:35] <vychune> !firewall > tonyedwards
[04:35] <helpmeplox> !KEYMAPPING
[04:36] <holstein> vychune: yes.. thats what i meant earlier by "test locally". with the actual command "ssh localhost".. if it connects locally on that same machine, then you dont have to wonder if ssh is running, or working for that user
[04:36] <holstein> Annihilator009: ^ above is how, friend
[04:36] <Annihilator009> ?
[04:36] <vychune> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword Annihilator009
[04:37] <Annihilator009> ok i get it
[04:38] <vychune> holstein, ufw is inactive
[04:39] <holstein> Annihilator009: by using the link above, friend.. this one for example http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[04:39] <holstein> Annihilator009: you click on that link to open, and read, and follow the instructions.. step by step
[04:40] <Annihilator009> thanx but i changed my pass holstein
[04:40] <vychune> holstein, since nobody has said it, I will. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!
[04:40] <Annihilator009> can i get reboot command please?
[04:41] <vychune> Annihilator009, reboot lol
[04:41] <vychune> excuse me sudo reboot
[04:42] <Annihilator009> ;\
[04:42] <bulletrulz> is it possible to install the open sourced wifi drivers?
[04:43] <cfhowlett> bulletrulz of course.
[04:44] <holstein> vychune: ok.. so, you can run "ssh localhost" and connect? and, you can go to another machine and connect using "ssh username@ipaddress" ?
[04:44] <Annihilator009> thanks
[04:44] <Annihilator009> holstein
[04:47] <Annihilator009> when i plug in a pendrive and click on it,it doesn't open please help?
[04:48] <vychune> holstein, trying now
[04:48] <vychune> holstein, YES YES YES YES!
[04:49] <mido> any one wanna play Naval Battle with me :D
[04:50] <xangua> !ot | mido
[04:50] <daftykins> mido: only if the ship runs ubuntu and has a support question in the heat of battle
[04:51] <vychune> daftykins, nice one needed that laugh thank you
[04:51] <daftykins> :)
[04:59] <vychune> holstein_, thanks man
[05:01] <john_rambo>  Cant open port in ufw http://pastebin.com/UvjkzCYD
[05:02] <karstensrage> test
[05:03] <vychune> john_rambo, im not sure but i can give you this
[05:03] <vychune> !firewall > john_rambo
[05:06] <Guest45576> hi
[05:06] <john_rambo> vychune: Yes I have read that page .... I have done #sudo ufw allow 6881 .... #sudo ufw reload .....<<< These are usually enough to get the job done ...but I dont know what is going wrong this time
[05:06] <cfhowlett> Guest45576 greetings
[05:06] <Guest45576> im no
[05:06] <Guest45576> fds'
[05:07] <vychune> cfhowlett, oh yeah thanks for your help too
[05:07] <cfhowlett> vychune happy2help
[05:07] <Guest45576> how to poop on my ubuntu laptop
[05:08] <cfhowlett> !ops | Guest45576
[05:08] <Guest45576> how to poop on my ubuntu laptop
[05:09] <Guest45576> dibber dobber cfhowlett
[05:09] <daftykins> same as any laptop
[05:09] <Guest45576> how
[05:09] <cfhowlett> daftykins really?  this is not at all helpful
[05:09] <rww> howdy
[05:09] <Guest45576> cfhowlett its funny
[05:10] <Guest45576> hi
[05:10] <cfhowlett> rww ask your ubuntu questions
[05:10] <rww> Guest45576: do you have a technical support question about Ubuntu itself we can help with?
[05:10] <daftykins> cfhowlett: uh-huh, well until such time as said user is dealt with, deal with it.
[05:10] <rww> cfhowlett: *facepalm*
[05:10] <daftykins> cfhowlett: heh, nice work recognising a channel regular
[05:10] <xcon> how do u change your nick name
[05:11] <cfhowlett> !nick | xcon
[05:11] <xcon> dont worry
[05:11] <xcon> done it
[05:11] <xcon> ok thx worked it out befor that
[05:12] <xcon> who is cfhowlett
[05:12] <rww> xcon: do you have a technical support question about Ubuntu itself we can help with? If not, please leave the channel clear for others who do, thanks.
[05:13] <rww> If you'd prefer to chat, there is #ubuntu-offtopic for that instead :)
[05:13] <xcon> i found a sasquatch a shy one to he quit probely got big fingers and quit
[05:13] <xcon> ok rww g2g
[05:14] <jazzkutya> i have a habit of installing 32bit ubuntu on machines with 4g ram. I am just about to change my habit but on the kubuntu download page the 32bit version is given as recommended. can anyone tell me why? Already tried #kubuntu
[05:14] <rww> jazzkutya: because 32-bit works on 32-bit and 64-bit computers, whereas 64-bit only works on 64-bit computers
[05:15] <cfhowlett> jazzkutya but if you computer is 64 bit capable, go for it.
[05:15] <vychune> ok i have one now. phpmyadmin is installed but the page is not showing locally or remotety
[05:15] <vychune> *remotely
[05:15] <rww> (Ubuntu's download page used to be the same way.)
[05:15] <jazzkutya> rww: with that logic ubuntu.com should also recommend 32bit, but over there 64bit is the default choice
[05:16] <rww> jazzkutya: Yep. ubuntu.com apparently decided that they don't agree. Given that the two sites are run by different groups, this isn't surprising.
[05:16] <rww> But yeah, there is no support or quality difference between the two architectures.
[05:16] <jazzkutya> rww: so is it sure that there are no other reasons for kubuntu recommending 32bit?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> jazzkutya: its the users choice
[05:17] <meganerd> jazzkutya: You will be hard pressed to find a machine made in the last 8 years that is not x86_64 compatible.
[05:17] <rww> jazzkutya: yes
[05:17] <jazzkutya> rww: thanks!
[05:21] <vychune> cancel my question
[05:39] <silicone> Any ideas on why, in simple scan, xubuntu detected the scanner automatically, but wheezy didn't?
[05:40] <linuxuz3r> maybe because its upstart
[05:46] <meganerd> silicone: compare the output of "dpkg-get-selections > pkgs.txt" on both machines.  Chances are you are missing something in Debian, probably a nonfree package.
[05:47] <silicone> meganerd: good idea
[05:47] <dotdotdot> I am trying to watch a stream on one monitor full screen. When I click anywhere on my other monitor, the stream goes back to small size. Is there anyway to avoid this?
[05:47] <meganerd> silicone: that should be "dpkg  --get-selections"
[05:48] <meganerd> dotdotdot: for youtube videos I just download them via youtube-dl, and then use a proper media player
[05:48] <dotdotdot> ah. alrigh. thank you meganerd.
[05:49] <dotdotdot> Is this an okay place to ask questions? Just moved over to ubuntu about 2 weeks ago.
[05:49] <dotdotdot> Loving it
[05:49] <rww> .
[05:49] <rww> .
[05:49] <rww> hrm
[05:50] <meganerd> dotdotdot: I am on a single monitor machine at the moment, I tried messing with the "more actions -> special window settings" in KDE, but I honestly can't remember if that worked.
[05:50] <dotdotdot> thank you meganerd
[05:50] <meganerd> dotdotdot: np
[05:50] <silicone> meganerd: in wheezy dpkg  --get-selections is huge! Is there anything in particular I'd be looking for?
[05:51] <sbaitso> hello, anyone familiar with making a custom .XCompose file for custom key combination definitions? how do you know what to call all keys?
[05:51] <meganerd> silicone: "dpkg --get-selections |grep ^i" will limit it to installed packages, probably more useful to compare the output of that on both machines.
[05:52] <meganerd> silicone: erm sorry, that is for apt-get/aptitude, "dpkg --get-selections |grep install"
[05:54] <meganerd> silicone: if you want to be sure "dpkg --get-selections |grep -w install$"
[05:55] <meganerd> silicone: IIRC, debian shows you the state of all packages (deinstall, install, purge etc.) while by default the Ubuntu version only shows installed packages.
[05:56] <silicone> meganerd: Okay - I see.
[05:56] <meganerd> silicone: there is probably a cleaner way to do it (I imagine a parameter or something), but I have been using that command since the 90s
[05:58] <silicone> :meganerd: Is there a particuler word that is associated with printers or scanners?
[06:00] <meganerd> silicone: I would start with sane/xsane, but the problem is that a lot of devices need nonfree firmware in order to function, and there is really no consistency in those names. The firmware might not even ship with Debian.
[06:02] <sbaitso> how do i make a custom key combination in ubuntu 14.04
[06:03] <meganerd> silicone: if it is a usb device checking dmesg would at least tell you if the device is registered when plugged in. lsusb might help.  Honestly this is pretty much the main reason I don't use Debian on the desktop anymore (and why I am here in Ubuntu).  You might want to talk to the Debian specific chans.
[06:04] <rade> Hi
[06:04] <meganerd> silicone: in ubuntu, the kernel related firmware blobs are in /lib/firmware, and if you see something related to your device there, you might be able to copy those files over.
[06:04] <rade> Spam
[06:04] <rade> Nfnfjfnfjffjfjfjfjjfjfjgjg
[06:04] <Ben64> rade: please don't
[06:05] <rade> Oooh
[06:05] <silicone> meganerd: Okay. yes it seems that less is automatic in debian...
[06:06] <DreadLock> hi
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[06:08] <rade> That's my question
[06:08] <rww> rade: Sorry, you have to phrase your question in the form of a sentence.
[06:08] <rade> Lol
[06:09] <rade> The geek jumped over a coding error
[06:09] <vychune> !dns
[06:10] <rade> How did he
[06:10] <rade> Answer that
[06:12] <vychune> rww, nice
[06:14] <chrstphrchvz> sbaitso: do you mean system-wide keybindings or just for a program? c.f. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Keybindings
[06:16] <vychune> does anyone know if you need a static IP address for a site on a server behind a ISP router
[06:16] <vychune> ?
[06:17] <Ben64> vychune: static ips are great for websites. dns isn't always very quick to update. you should also check with your isp if hosting is allowed on your connection
[06:17] <vychune> Ben64 thanks
[06:17] <meganerd> vychune: dynamic dns is pretty handy
[06:18] <vychune> meganerd, how would i set  that up with BIND?
[06:19] <meganerd> vychune: you want a dynamic IP to be a DNS server?
[06:19] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, you mean a static ip for the machine? (i.e. is your router implementing NAT?)
[06:19] <vychune> meganerd, yes chrstphrchvz, router is using NAT yes
[06:20] <meganerd> vychune: I keep my DNS servers on static IPs on VPSs that I rent.  What you could do is get a service like dyndns, and the when you register the domain use the dyndns hostname for your dns server.
[06:21] <meganerd> vychune: some ISPs block inbound DNS queries, so this might not actually work.
[06:21] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, meganerd, it would also depend on the router being used and what capabilities are enabled--e.g. NAT firewall port forwarding
[06:21] <rww> apologies in advance:
[06:21] <rww> .
[06:21] <rww> .
[06:21] <rww> .
[06:21]  * rau raises an eyebrow at rww.
[06:21] <rww> .
[06:21] <rww> .
[06:21] <unopaste> rww you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[06:25] <vychune> meganerd, chrstphrchvz ok then, so with that we wouldn't need url masking right?
[06:26] <meganerd> vychune: it would help to know what it is that you want to do.
[06:26] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, Not necessarily--that's a feature of the dynamic dns right, (meganerd)? …
[06:27] <vychune> meganerd, We want to host two sites on one server
[06:27] <vychune> as well as  phpmyadmin stuff like that
[06:28] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, meganerd, clarification: the purpose of having a static ip *on the machine* is to let the router know what host to forward ports to (typically)…
[06:28] <meganerd> chrstphrchvz: no, vhosts is what it sounds like he wants
[06:29] <vychune> meganerd, right
[06:29] <meganerd> chrstphrchvz: vychune, IPv4 is painful, OK to be clear, the static IP on the NAT'd "server" is a good idea, the dynamicDNS just helps with the publically routable IP being dynamically assigned
[06:29] <blahdeblah1> Hi all.  I'm running into a really annoying limitation in the 14.04 installer: it seems you can only set up drive encryption if you use the "wipe drive and install Ubuntu option".  This means I end up with a 256 MB /boot, which is way too small nowadays.  Anyone know a workaround?
[06:29] <meganerd> vychune: do you have the domain names already?
[06:30] <vychune> meganerd, yes yes
[06:31] <meganerd> vychune: and do you have a DNS server for these domains?
[06:31] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: 256M really isn't a lot, but considering a kernel is just a couple megs big, I don't think it's that big of a deal
[06:32] <meganerd> blahdeblah1: for whatever reason, I was able to use the xubuntu installer and then manually set my /boot to 500MB
[06:32] <vychune> I want to setup the NAT'd "server" with DNS
[06:32] <meganerd> vychune: for the record I hate NAT with the intensity of a thousand suns
[06:33] <Ben64> vychune: you would be much better off getting a small vps to start out on
[06:33] <meganerd> vychune: +1 to Ben64's suggestion
[06:33] <vychune> not an option
[06:33] <vychune> for a client
[06:34] <vychune> must use this server
[06:34] <blahdeblah1> DusXMT: A kernel + initrd is over 20 MB, and I frequently want to have 10 or more kernels installed.  I've got servers that were installed with 256 MB /boot on 10.04 and over the upgrades to 12.04 and beyond have filled it very quickly.
[06:34] <Ben64> vychune: i'm not following what you mean by that
[06:34] <blahdeblah1> meganerd: Setting it to 500 MB is easy; setting it to 500 MB and getting full disk encryption to work is my issue.
[06:34] <meganerd> blahdeblah1: I had to use the xubuntu installer to do exactly that
[06:35] <vychune> Ben64: installing WP for a client, must use the server in question
[06:35] <meganerd> blahdeblah1: yesterday in fact
[06:35] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: and... why exactly do you need that many kernels? Is your hardware configuration really so unstable that you need to boot into a different kernel to get something to work?
[06:35] <meganerd> vychune: self hosting of WP is probably not the best.  What is the main driver for this?
[06:35] <blahdeblah1> meganerd: So xubuntu's installer has complete support for encryption?  Can you then install normal Ubuntu (or Lubuntu, which might be more my thing) afterwards?
[06:36] <Ben64> vychune: Then you should let them know hosting a website on a residential connection is likely a violation of the TOS from the ISP, and even if not, still not a great idea. Especially combined with dynamic ip address.
[06:36] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: Yes, you can, it's a metapackage, I think it's named ubuntu_desktop or something like that
[06:36] <blahdeblah1> DusXMT: Because I expect this to be a long-lived machine.
[06:36] <meganerd> blahdeblah1: I just installed the other DEs (I installed the default and KDE) once xubuntu was installed.
[06:36] <blahdeblah1> It's nothing to do with unstable hardware configurations.
[06:36] <DusXMT> But why do you need them? Do you even boot into them, when you have them?
[06:37] <vychune> Ben64 it's a business account
[06:37] <meganerd> vychune: and they plan on keeping WP up to date?
[06:38] <vychune> meganerd, server is managed by their tech support (not me)
[06:38] <vychune> meganerd, thats my job
[06:38] <blahdeblah1> DusXMT: Do you really think keeping a 256 MB /boot is that big a deal that I shouldn't be allowed a reason to want something larger?
[06:38] <blahdeblah1> DusXMT: If you upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 and then add linux-image-current-generic, you end up with a 3.2 train, a 3.8 train, and a 3.10+ train.
[06:38] <meganerd> blahdeblah1: apt-get autoremove
[06:38] <blahdeblah1> The updater doesn't always do the right thing with removing the old ones either
[06:38] <blahdeblah1> meganerd: I know what apt-get autoremove does; I just don't want to have to do it very often
[06:39] <vychune> blahdeblah1, why not use crom to do it for you?
[06:39] <meganerd> vychune: so you have a server that is behind a NAT, and you are trying to install WP on this server?
[06:39] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: well, then just remove them in aptitude or synaptic, that big of a deal? I do agree that an installer should allow you to customize your partition sizes, but I just don't see a need for the old kernels
[06:39] <meganerd> vychune: and you also need a DNS server?
[06:40] <blahdeblah1> vychune: In my experience apt-get autoremove doesn't always do the right thing, and sometimes removes things that I want kept.
[06:40] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: and the package with the default desktop is ubuntu-desktop, that should install unity and everything else that comes by default on ubuntu onto xubuntu
[06:40] <vychune> WP is installed but yes i need a DNS to host both the client site and the tech's site
[06:40] <blahdeblah1> I might have a shot at the xubuntu installer then
[06:40] <blahdeblah1> thanks meganerd
[06:40] <meganerd> vychune: I do something similar for some of personal stuff that I serve out of the basement, but I keep DNS somewhere else
[06:41] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: if autoremove removes things you don't want, you need to configure it otherwise. Go into aptitude or synaptics and mark the packages it would autoremove that you want to keep as manually installed
[06:41] <meganerd> blahdeblah1: I spent 3 days trying to reinstall my laptop, ended up just trying the other installers (Kubuntu seems to fail on full disk encryption)
[06:41] <sbaitso> keyboard configuration is not persistent between boots, what to do?
[06:41] <vychune> meganerd such as?
[06:41] <meganerd> vychune: Since this sounds like a company, I would get a static IP
[06:42] <vychune> meganerd, Owner is El Cheapo
[06:42] <sbaitso> why is dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration not persistent?
[06:43] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, meganerd: I had done a similar setup, but I did not need dns setup internally--the NAT loopback worked in my case that I could even use the dynamic dns address to access via LAN.
[06:43] <meganerd> I have VPSs from here: http://buyvm.net/ and I also rent a physical server from http://www.ovh.com/ca/en/
[06:43] <meganerd> vychune: on top of the KVM server in the basement
[06:43] <vychune> meganerd, nice lol
[06:44] <vychune> i have a VPS with BandwagonHost myself
[06:44] <Riobe> Is there a hotkey that disables/toggles your mouse? Mine just turned off and I'm wondering what I did to make that happen. Maybe a hotkey?
[06:44] <meganerd> vychune: it makes for a great learning platform, and my total outlay is still less than my ISP connection ($35/month for the server, <$10/month per VPS)
[06:45] <vychune> i got mine for like a year 12.99 i think
[06:45] <chrstphrchvz> Riobe: are you using a laptop?
[06:45] <meganerd> vychune: I have a VPS that is like $20/year
[06:45] <meganerd> vychune: good enough for a dns server
[06:46] <meganerd> vychune: I also make use of dyndns for my router (a vanilla Ubuntu server), and I lean heavily on IPv6 these for sane connectivity
[06:47] <meganerd> vychune: and saltstack to wrangle them all
[06:47] <vychune> meganerd, ok then
[06:47] <vychune> btw mine is 9.99 a year :) (bragging lol)
[06:47] <vychune> saltstack?
[06:47] <meganerd> vychune: totally overkill, but if you need to use that server behind a NAT, your life will be a lot easier with a static IP.
[06:48] <meganerd> vychune: remote command execution with configuration management on top.
[06:48] <vychune> i think hostgator will be the best choice
[06:49] <meganerd> vychune: I reset my password on 20 machines (physical and virtual) today with two commands.  saltstack.org.  This is a very deep rabbit hole for sysadmins.
[06:49] <vychune> holy s*** meganerd
[06:51] <meganerd> vychune: I meant to say saltstack is overkill for your project
[06:51] <meganerd> vychune: a static IP makes a lot of sense and simplifies things considerably (mainly by removing the most annoying problem).
[06:52] <Riobe> chrstphrchz: No, and sorry for the delayed reponse. My mouse goes through my keyboard normally, so I unplugged the keyboard USB's and put them back in and lost my keyboard too. Mouse doesn't work when plugged in directly to USB either. Found a PS2 keyboard for the moment though.
[06:52] <Riobe> Looks like my USB just kicked it.
[06:52] <chrstphrchvz> blahdeblah1, meganerd: in the 14.10 installer, in the manual partition list there is "configure encrypted volumes" which can be done after creating sufficiently large /boot
[06:53] <silicone> meganerd: In case you wondered, installed hplip solved it as it is was an hp printer. Thanks for you advice.
[06:54] <Riobe> Is there a way to see if USB is no longer available, or to recover it? My USB keyboard and mouse stopped working and I'm not sure what I did to screw them up. Sorry I don't know how to ask that question better.
[06:54] <chrstphrchvz> Riobe: for me, it's usually the other way around when the ps/2 stops working. You have tried rebooting, right?
[06:54] <blahdeblah1> chrstphrchvz: That's good to know
[06:54] <meganerd> silicone: glad I could help.
[06:55] <Riobe> chrstphrchz: No, I was hoping there might be a way to troubleshoot it while running. I'll go ahead and save things and give it a try.
[06:55] <meganerd> chrstphrchvz: good to know.  That sounds like the installer that xubuntu uses
[06:55] <chrstphrchvz> blahdeblah1, it's the "partition disks" screen that you usually get if you select manual partitioning or go back after using "Guided…".
[06:55] <blahdeblah1> yep - pity it's not there on 14.10
[06:56] <vychune> meganerd, 100 dollars for static IP, got a straight H**L NO
[06:56] <vychune> $100/month
[06:56] <chrstphrchvz> meganerd, this is the "alternate" installer I think. blahdeblah1 -- I'm almost certain it's not a new feature.
[06:57]  * blahdeblah1 wonders if he missed the alternate installer when downloading.  That's what I did on 10.04, but I thought they removed that.
[06:57] <meganerd> vychune: so you basically have a couple of problems to solve.  First is that your external IP will change, so your DNS servers will be functionally unreachable unless you register for dynamic dns (this is just for an automatically updating hostname that you can use with the domain registrar)
[06:57] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, "off the top of my head" dyndns is $5/mo, but i'm sure there's cheaper options
[06:57] <DusXMT> Is the alternative installer d-i configured for ubuntu? (I'm not sure if it's that, or something else)
[06:58] <blahdeblah1> DusXMT: It certainly used to be
[06:58] <blahdeblah1> chrstphrchvz: I just checked again, and there's definitely no alternate ISO image any more
[06:58] <blahdeblah1> Is it a kernel option on boot?
[06:58] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, meganerd, Sorry, I'm not understanding the need for private dns…
[06:58] <meganerd> vychune: then you get to deal with port forwarding and NAT.  Fortunately UDP and TCP usually work, so that your webserver and bind should work.
[06:58] <vychune> he has dnsalias
[06:58] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: THen how about using the mini.iso? If you go into expert mode, you can select what distribution you want to install, and it downloads everything from the internet
[06:59] <DusXMT> And it has the alternative installer
[06:59] <chrstphrchvz> (I am using mini.iso in fact)
[06:59] <blahdeblah1> Where is that?  It doesn't show up in the releases download.
[06:59] <blahdeblah1> e.g. My local mirror is http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/releases/
[07:00] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[07:00] <meganerd> vychune: the second problem to solve is that the IP address that your domains point to will change, and you will have to figure out a way to update that.  While all of this is doable, a single cheap VPS will pretty much eliminate these headaches.
[07:00] <vychune> the only problem i'm having now is doing example.com/blah/blogblah, instead of example.com and thats all that's seen
[07:00] <vychune> meganerd, yea i know lol
[07:00] <DusXMT> blahdeblah1: And as it turns out, they even have a version for 14.04, so if you use that, you don't need to go into expert mode
[07:00] <riobe> chrstphrchvz, that fixed it
[07:01] <blahdeblah1> DusXMT: I might give that a crack
[07:01] <meganerd> DusXMT: I have the mini.iso in my PXE environment at home, I was not going to do that over my cellular link.
[07:01] <Ben64> vychune: then you should head over to the apache channel or something for help with that
[07:01] <vychune> Ben64, it's because of DNS masking
[07:02] <meganerd> vychune: that exact case is covered in the documentation.  Apache actually has pretty thorough documentation :)
[07:02] <vychune> really?
[07:03]  * vychune gets a head smack
[07:03] <vychune> Doh
[07:03] <meganerd> vychune: I would start by ignoring the dynamic problem.  Set up a DNS server and apache, port forward through the router, and use the public IP of the router.
[07:03] <meganerd> vychune: once you get all of that working you can worry about solving the dynamic IP problem.
[07:03] <vychune> ok
[07:04] <meganerd> vychune: who did you use as a registrar?
[07:04] <vychune> they are using GoDaddy
[07:05] <meganerd> vychune: it might be worth checking to see if their godaddy account already has DNS serving, it probably does.
[07:05] <meganerd> vychune: while I am a huge fan of running my own DNS, you can tackle that later if need be.
[07:06] <vychune> ok then
[07:07] <vychune> can you pointme to a tutorial or something?
[07:07] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, something else to consider/be aware of: http://saschpe.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/godaddy-dyndns-for-the-poor/
[07:07] <vychune> meganerd, i'm all turned around on what to do now lol
[07:09] <meganerd> chrstphrchvz: I use CNAMEs with my dyndns all the time, however this is probably not where he should start.
[07:09] <meganerd> vychune: do you have access to the godaddy control panel for this domain?
[07:10] <vychune> nope meganerd
[07:10] <helmut_> hi
[07:11] <meganerd> vychune: so I would ignore bind and dns for the moment.  Use a hosts entry in your local machine to point the hostname to the IP of their router.  Get apache working.
[07:12] <meganerd> vychune: that will keep you busy for a while.  I have not used godaddy, but I seem to remember them bundling DNS by default.  You will need to add (or have someone add) "A" or host records that point to their router, probably named www.
[07:13] <meganerd> vychune: once all of that is working, you can figure out dynamic dns, or just log in to godaddy an update the IP every time it changes.
[07:16] <vychune> meganerd, ok let me make sure we are on the same page
[07:18] <vychune> the server is accessible outside, but not by domain outside port 80. You want me to point the domain to the router IP Addr of the router, right?
[07:19] <meganerd> vychune: exactly.  so www.whatver.tld should resolve to their router's external IP
[07:19] <jkbbwr> Okay I have a brand new fresh install of stock ubuntu
[07:19] <jkbbwr> I want to achieve 2 things
[07:19] <jkbbwr> 1 nvidia drivers, 2 gnome3
[07:19] <Ben64> !nvidia | jkbbwr
[07:19] <meganerd> vychune: for testing, you can create an entry in your /etc/hosts file that does the same thing.  Don't forget to remove it!
[07:20] <jkbbwr> Last time I tried the nvidia drivers, everything screwed up
[07:20] <vychune> but what about the second domain?
[07:20] <meganerd> vychune: same thing
[07:20] <Beldar> jkbbwr, gnome 3 is already there, do you want the shell?
[07:20] <meganerd> vychune: then configure apache for vhosts
[07:20] <vychune> Okay
[07:21] <jkbbwr> Beldar: I dont want unity, ever
[07:22] <jkbbwr> Beldar: but Im more interested in nvidia getting sorted
[07:22] <Ben64> jkbbwr: then give more information, like what video card, system setup, etc. what happened last time you tried installing nvidia
[07:23] <jkbbwr> okay so I tried through the gui addictional drivers, and I tried installing nvidia-current
[07:23] <jkbbwr> both of them caused booting to black screen
[07:24] <vychune> meganerd, Ben64 , chrstphrchvz THANKS!!!!!!!
[07:24] <meganerd> vychune: your welcome
[07:24] <meganerd> vychune: half the fight is just breaking everything down into bite sizes.
[07:25] <vychune> meganerd, yeplol
[07:25] <chrstphrchvz> vychune, you're welcome. Keep digging, you're not the first person to come across this. I imagine this is the first time you've had to do something like this?
[07:26] <vychune> chrstphrchvz, yep
[07:26] <chrstphrchvz> (it's not a task I am prepared to have someone pay me to do myself (yet))
[07:27] <vychune> without the dyndns i would be done lol.
[07:29] <jkbbwr> Beldar: not sure what to try next
[07:31] <chrstphrchvz> jkbbwr, I missed the beginning of the discussion, could also tell us the card model?
[07:31] <jkbbwr> GTX 670M
[07:32] <Beldar> jkbbwr, graphics are not my area however you need to identify the hardware, run lspci and find it ans include it with more details you have not to the channel.
[07:32] <jkbbwr> IDk anything about it
[07:33] <meganerd> jkbbwr: that sounds like an Optimus device
[07:33] <jkbbwr>  VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 650M]
[07:33] <meganerd> jkbbwr: in your laptop's bios/uefi interface, you might want to try setting the video card to discreet only first.
[07:34] <jkbbwr> meganerd: there are no video card options in my bios / uefi
[07:35] <meganerd> jkbbwr: what laptop is this?
[07:35] <chrstphrchvz> jkbbwr, what is your laptop model?
[07:35] <jkbbwr> Its an alienware M14xR2
[07:37] <Tajger> Hello. It's sad that in regular Ubuntu there is no prepared application for IRC channel (like it is in Ubuntu Studio.
[07:37] <bekks> jkbbwr: the 650M is an Nvidia Optimus chipset.
[07:37] <jkbbwr> What does that mean ^^
[07:38] <bekks> That you cant simply use nvidia drivers.
[07:38] <jkbbwr> hmm
[07:38] <bekks> jkbbwr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[07:39] <jkbbwr> See now I think I tried installing -331
[07:39] <jkbbwr> but I still got dem black screen
[07:39] <bekks> jkbbwr: Thats what I just told you. You cant simply use nvidia drivers.
[07:40] <jkbbwr> then these instructions are useless?
[07:40] <chrstphrchvz> jkbbwr, have you come across Bumblebee?
[07:40] <jkbbwr> I heard someone talking about it
[07:42] <jkbbwr> Ill try instlaling that
[07:42] <jkbbwr> see what happens
[07:42] <meganerd> jkbbwr: primus is what you want
[07:43] <jkbbwr> arch so many confusing instructions
[07:43] <meganerd> jkbbwr: bumblebee is old
[07:43] <meganerd> jkbbwr: yup, I have an optimus device in my laptop, major PITA.  Been wrestling with it for a year and a half.
[07:44] <jkbbwr> okay so *not bumblebee*
[07:44] <function9> jkbbwr: for optimum performance, you'd need to have a custom kernel
[07:44] <jkbbwr> oh god...
[07:44] <Tajger> I'm known between my homies as a "computer guy", so when someone wants an OS to be reinstalled, I say about Linux specified for that person (Lubuntu for cheap netbooks etc.). That works.
[07:45] <function9> yeah tell me about
[07:45] <jkbbwr> oh hell...
[07:45] <function9> jkbbwr: that's what it says in the nvidia site
[07:45] <meganerd> function9: I believe the nvidia site just says "go f*&^% yourself Linux losers"...  I may be paraphrasing :)
[07:46] <function9> meganerd: yep :(
[07:46] <riobe> I have now twice in one night had my USB mouse just stop working. It is still lighting up, but all input from it is ignored and I bet it'll stop lighting up if I unplug it and plug it back in. It is a Razer Mamba and I'm on Ubuntu (14.04) with kubuntu-destop installed and KDE desktop active. I have no idea how to troubleshoot this, any ideas?
[07:46] <jkbbwr> meganerd: so what do I install
[07:46] <meganerd> jkbbwr: fortunately I have gone through most of this hell, the package you need is called simply primus
[07:46] <bekks> jkbbwr: Did you read the link I gave you?
[07:47] <jkbbwr> bekks: yes but you said they didnt work
[07:47] <meganerd> jkbbwr: though in my case I just turned off the nvidia chip in the BIOS/UEFI interface
[07:47] <bekks> jkbbwr: Wrong.
[07:47] <function9> jkbbwr: I'm going to practice first on virtualbox, and get my kernel hacking skills up to speed, once I am very confident, I will proceed with the real deal
[07:47] <riobe> I'd rather not have to restart multiple times a night to get my USB devices back.
[07:47] <chrstphrchvz> function9, jkbbwr : the only kernel-related issue i've come across is  incompatibility with newer kernels
[07:47] <jkbbwr> bekks: you said, "you can't use nvidida drivers"
[07:47] <bekks> jkbbwr: I told you you cant simply install the nvidia drivers. And the link given told you what to do.
[07:47] <function9> chrstphrchvz: hence the virtualbox test
[07:48] <bekks> jkbbwr: So you havent read it.
[07:49] <svetlana> ?
[07:50] <svetlana> bekks: hi.
[07:51] <svetlana> bekks: you said "I have already told you this" at least a couple times. please also suggest the folk what to do in a couple words; I'm sure it'll be helpful.
[07:51] <riobe> Running "modprobe -c | grep mouse" shows a line that says "blacklist usbmouse" Could that be what is causing my mouse to randomly stop working?
[07:51] <riobe> Not sure what modprobe is yet, but I found this relevant: http://askubuntu.com/questions/453689/mouse-not-working-after-installing-14-04-lts-64bit
[07:51] <v1ros> lol
[07:51] <svetlana> riobe: hi. please add "-C 4" to see context of the grep results.
[07:52] <svetlana> riobe: modprobe -c | grep -C 4 mouse
[07:52] <bekks> svetlana: I'll do next time.
[07:52] <svetlana> bekks: did he already quit?  jkbbwr is still here, you can go ahead and do it :)
[07:52] <svetlana> (thankfully :)
[07:53] <riobe> svetlana: I did not know I could do that. That's awesome, thanks! Context in this case is a bunch of other blacklists commands. There is an "alias usb:v*p*d*dc*dsc*dp*ic03isc01ip02in* usbmouse" line later in the file.
[07:53] <svetlana> riobe: modprobe shows you information about kernel modules. kernel is the non-gui thing that chats to yuor hardware.
[07:53] <riobe> svetlana, Oh, well that makes sense. Thanks!
[07:54] <svetlana> I see. you can put some more context to a pastebin if you like (I don't know what these aliases are a part /of/ and I suspect more context could be useful.)
[07:54] <bekks> jkbbwr: Did you install nvidia-prime already?
[07:54] <riobe> svetlana, Is there a way to pipe output to a clipboard? Otherwise I'll need to restart again as it's the only way I know to get my mouse back.
[07:55] <svetlana> riobe: you could use the pastebinit tool if you like. it's a package; you run your command and add a "|pastebinit" to the end.
[07:55] <riobe> That's awesome. I'll get a pastbin in a moment then.
[07:57] <riobe> svetlana, It's things like that which make me glad I switched to Linux, but man I can tell I'm still green. :P http://paste.ubuntu.com/7754641
[07:58] <svetlana> I would probably just `modprobe -c | pastebinit`; the last portion is still greek to me.
[07:59] <v1ros> read the man pages
[07:59] <jkbbwr> GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS
[07:59] <jkbbwr> Good news I think nvidia drivers are working
[07:59] <jkbbwr> bad news my touchpad is now not working!
[07:59] <v1ros> you in a labtop?
[08:00]  * smecin hi ,
[08:00] <meganerd> jkbbwr: hit ALT-F2, type in "synaptic" without the quotes.
[08:00] <jkbbwr> synaptic not installed
[08:00] <ArchLinux-User> Hi
[08:00] <jkbbwr> something I should get?
[08:01] <smecin> hi ,
[08:01] <smecin> smecin-0x71 here you'r team lead.
[08:01] <smecin> read it , add you'rself with username and password + the real name of you and nickname.
[08:01] <riobe> svetlana, Thanks for being willing to try to help me. Here is the full result of modprobe -c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7754651/
[08:01] <smecin> Username: addme-0x71-core-team
[08:01] <smecin> Password: f&^^YzNE^vr5
[08:01] <meganerd> jkbbwr: it works on my laptop
[08:01] <smecin> http://0x71.org/wp-login.php
[08:01] <unopaste> smecin you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[08:01] <jkbbwr> meganerd: yea I tried it in a terminal
[08:01] <jkbbwr> meganerd: it says its not installed
[08:02] <meganerd> jkbbwr: try installing it
[08:02] <meganerd> jkbbwr: we can remove it again if it does not help
[08:02] <svetlana> ok
[08:02] <sbaitso> how do you set keyboard backlight from the terminal?
[08:02] <ena> Hello, I have a problem with relative links in LibreOffice on Xubuntu 14.04, they does not work. I've searched on the internet before but i didn't find anything that helps me. Could someone explain me how do they work ?
[08:03] <svetlana> riobe: this information doesn't look very descriptive to me. could you please describe the issue you've having in a bit more detail (when does the mouse disappear, is it randomly or not, did it work before, what mouse model)
[08:04] <jkbbwr> meganerd: all that did was give me the synaptic package manager
[08:05] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> why is everyone still using uboatu when you could be using a more bleeding edge distribution with less bloat and more performance, like arch? ubuntu is confirmed for having many spying features in it.
[08:05] <Arch-Linux-User> Arch Linux is the best linux
[08:05] <Arch-Linux-User> SO MUCH BLOAT
[08:05] <Arch-Linux-User> OH MAN
[08:05] <svetlana> jkbbwr: hi. what did?
[08:05] <jkbbwr> svetlana: asked me to install syntaptic
[08:05] <Arch-Linux-User> Dude like ubuntu is like so bad like so slow and bloated more like ubloatu
[08:06] <svetlana> Arch-Linux-User: your "spying" information is out of date. please do not get in the way of me helping people. thanks.
[08:06] <Ben64> Arch-Linux-User, ArchLinux4Lyfe: this is not the correct area for this
[08:06] <v1ros> LOL nothing wron with Ububtu <Arch-Linux-User
[08:06] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> compiz is very slow and a major piece of bloatware, it crashes about 3 times a day
[08:06] <svetlana> Ben64: thank you.
[08:06] <svetlana> ArchLinux4Lyfe: last word, please go to #archlinux with this.
[08:06] <riobe> svetlana, Sorry, not sure what to provide since I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this one. In both cases it went dead I was trying to click a link in google-chrome. Not sure if that is a reason, but I have no other pattern yet. It's a Razer Mamba mouse that I have wired into a Corsair keyboard which forwards it to a USB port on my PC. Taking it out of that and putting it into the PC directly makes no difference. Once it goes, unplugging and
[08:06] <riobe>  replugging does nothing.
[08:06] <svetlana> jkbbwr: what did ask you to install synaptic? I thought someone here asked you to install a package. you can do so in the software centre.
[08:07] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> v1ros, you don't know a good linux distribution if you saw one. go use arch for 5 minutes and you'll see how good it feels to configure everything manually and have your pacman break every xorg updat
[08:07] <jkbbwr> svetlana: what package
[08:07] <svetlana> ArchLinux4Lyfe: in retrospect, I don't care of the defaults. I don't like any distro; I do like some software on them though. the distros are not that much different.
[08:07] <svetlana> jkbbwr: one minute.
[08:07] <riobe> My mouse cursor still floats on the screen, but I can't get the mouse to activate again to move it. Unfortunately I have no other mouse to test on.
  It all depends on what distro you like I've tried just about all the distros and I keep comming back to either debian or debian based distros its just what i prefer
[08:08] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> actually, they are. different distro maintainers patch their binaries like the debian/ubuntu branch does
[08:08] <Arch-Linux-User> If you enjoy ubuntu its like you're a casual gamer, while im playing darksouls you're playing super mario kart
[08:08] <Ben64> ArchLinux4Lyfe: nobody cares, get out of here with your offtopic nonsense
[08:08] <svetlana> jkbbwr: <bekks> jkbbwr: Did you install nvidia-prime already?
 jkbbwr: Did you install nvidia-prime already?
[08:08] <svetlana> sorry, mis-pasted twice.
[08:08] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> the topic in this channel is ubuntu, and I'm talking about just that
[08:08] <svetlana> meganerd: you don't need to ask people to install synaptic.
[08:08] <v1ros> lol
[08:08] <meganerd> jkbbwr: sorry, that was a typo, I am going to have to dig up the laptop and figure out the package name
[08:09] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> how big of a steaming heap of monkey excrement it is.
[08:09] <Ben64> ArchLinux4Lyfe: it's ubuntu support, and you're just ranting and being generally dumb
[08:09] <svetlana> ArchLinux4Lyfe: you're providing invalid information, please don't do that.
[08:09] <jkbbwr> synaptics
 you need to chill its just a linux distro
[08:09] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> ben64, I am supporting people by telling them how bad noobuntu is.
[08:09] <meganerd> svetlana: it was not the package I was thinking of.
[08:09] <svetlana> jkbbwr: you don't need synaptic. you need nvidia-prime. go ahead and "sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime" and bekks would be with you then.
[08:10] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> svetlana, I'm not providing any invalid information
[08:10] <svetlana> jkbbwr: there is no need to make this more complicated.
[08:10] <Ben64> ArchLinux4Lyfe: well stop it. i'm telling you now it is offtopic
[08:10] <svetlana> ArchLinux4Lyfe: I'll be with you in a minute.
[08:10] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> compiz is infact the biggest piece of crap on this whole planet
[08:10] <jkbbwr> svetlana: I have done that. pay attention
[08:11] <meganerd> jkbbwr: you have primus and nvidia-prime installed?  Just waiting on the laptop to boot
[08:11] <Arch-Linux-User> With ubuntu you would never feel that feel when -pacman
[08:11] <jkbbwr> meganerd: yea the whole graphics card issue seems 1000% resolved
[08:12] <Arch-Linux-User> Seriously  noobuntu is for people who hate computing in general its so worthless.
[08:12] <v1ros> lol
[08:13] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> noobuntu us like windows, it just works.
 Why  are you so upset?
[08:13] <Ben64> everyone, just ignore the troll, they die without being fed
[08:13] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> v1ros why you heff to be med?
[08:13] <Arch-Linux-User> Why are you useing a distro that would be considered as a free windows clone just run windows.
[08:13] <jkbbwr> meganerd: I don't have an InputDevices in my xorg.conf
[08:14] <meganerd> jkbbwr: You shouldn't even need that file (except for the primus related stuff in the primus/bumblebee dir
[08:15] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> I feel windows is actually more stable than ubuntu due to the fact that unity and compiz resemble a steaming heap of monkey crap
[08:16] <riobe> Are there any common reasons that a usb mouse would seem to power down and not be turned back on when unplugging and replugging it in? I've had it happen twice now and I'm not sure how to figure out what could cause it? Are there any commands I could run that might lead me to what is wrong?
[08:16] <svetlana> ArchLinux4Lyfe: did you hear what i told you? please don't rage. there are oher nice things in the repos. you should chat to me in the other tab.
[08:16] <ena> anyone could help me on relative links in libreoffice on ubuntu ?
[08:16] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> riobe, just install arch linux instead. it is much more stable and not filled with spyware
[08:16] <riobe> He's a troll doing his thing. Don't feed the trolls.
[08:17] <svetlana> !ops | ArchLinux4Lyfe reading comprehension issues
[08:17] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> I guarentee your mouse is failing due to ubuntu spyware that ships with it
[08:17] <jkbbwr> ArchLinux4Lyfe: hush troll.
[08:17] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> !ops svetlana | can't understand arch linux is superior
[08:17] <v1ros> lol <ArchLinux4Lyfe> you need to read about opensource in general..
[08:17] <svetlana> perfect
[08:17] <svetlana> now we can look what jkbbwr ended up with at leisure
[08:18]  * svetlana looks
[08:18]  * v1ros hides
[08:19] <ArchLinux4Lyfe> !ops | svetlana can't understand the superiority of arch linux
[08:19] <svetlana> jkbbwr: you mentioned that the graphics issue is resolved. is it all good now?
[08:20] <svetlana> riobe: you gave me more details and I'm reading them now.
[08:20] <riobe> svetlana, Thank you very much.
[08:20] <meganerd> jkbbwr: OK, I must have been on crack (or thinking of an earlier version), I do not seem to have that package.
[08:20] <riobe> I'm still trying to research. Just not making much headway yet.
[08:21] <ArchLinuxIsBest> <<
[08:21] <svetlana> riobe: does it happen when you click any link, or only on some, randomly? does it go out when you do other things? does the advice from the website you linked make any difference?
[08:22] <jkbbwr> svetlana: graphics fixed. mouse not
[08:22] <svetlana> jkbbwr: what's your mouse issue specifically?
[08:22]  * svetlana gets ready to reading and comprehending two mouse issues at once.
[08:23] <mndhck> 14.04 was working fine, till it restarted by itself today while I was using it for the first time. On boot, only a very low resolution was detected and networking disabled. This seemed like safe mode on windows, but none of the other kernels worked either. I'm flying today, so could someone help? Googling didn't turn up  anything relevant.
[08:23] <svetlana> I would look in dmesg for more details.
[08:23] <jkbbwr> Rebooting fixed the mouse issue
[08:23] <jkbbwr> wtf
[08:23] <riobe> svetlana, Sorry to overload you. ^.^; I did that advice with both usbmouse and psmouse. The mouse doesn't turn on after running either. In both cases that I've had this it has worked for more than an hour of playing with vim, chrome, watching videos, xchat, and so on. I really wish I could see the pattern better.
[08:23] <svetlana> jkbbwr: I see.
[08:24] <riobe> jkbbwr, Was your mouse issue that it went dead?
[08:24] <jkbbwr> riobe: yea
[08:24] <riobe> jkbbwr, I have that too, and about an hour and a half after rebooting making it working it happened again.
[08:24] <jkbbwr> now to spend the next hour installing my dev environment
[08:24] <riobe> I don't want to reboot every couple hours. ;-;
[08:24] <jkbbwr> riobe: heh
[08:24] <jkbbwr> riobe: i think we have different issues
[08:24] <meganerd> jkbbwr: my laptop has kde, but checking unchecking the touchpad works (the IBM eraser head still works for me when the touchpad goes dark)
[08:25] <riobe> jkbbwr, I'm a newb here, so I'll take your word on it. :)
[08:25] <riobe> svetlana, I'm not sure if it's relevant, but I installed with Ubunto 14.04, then installed kbuntu-desktop and restarted into the KDE desktop.
[08:26] <jkbbwr> meganerd: hold on just installing gnome3
[08:26] <mndhck> svetlana: OK, I had left the laptop alone as it was burning (which is probably what caused it to spontaneously restart).
 you look in your log files and see what is causing the error?
[08:26] <Arch-Linux-User> Like Ubuntu is that fat asian kid and Arch-Linux is the perfect aryan specimen
[08:27] <riobe> I'd like to not restart to fix the problem. My mouse is dead now, so if I can find a fix I'll have an immediate test by seeing if I can get my mouse going again.
[08:28] <svetlana> riobe: dinner time here; will look at it later (i would start with web search on mouse model and ubuntu version name, needs attention)
[08:29] <riobe> svetlana, Thanks again for helping. :) Enjoy your dinner.
[08:30] <mndhck> svetlana: Could you point me in the right direction? All that ses significant to me in dmesg is a lot of mesaages abput reservong or being unable to reserve memory.
[08:31] <meganerd> riobe: is your mouse listed with a lsusb?
[08:32] <riobe> meganerd, Is lsusb supposed to run quickly? It seems to be hanging the terminal. I'm thinking that's relevant.
[08:32] <meganerd> riobe: runs instantly for me
[08:33] <meganerd> riobe: what about "lsmod |grep usb
[08:33] <riobe> meganerd, I didn't know that was a command either. Very useful. I guess I can go search for why it would fail to run as another lead.
[08:33] <meganerd> riobe: at a guess I would say that something bad happened on your usb bus and has been disabled
[08:34] <riobe> meganerd, That gives output. I see a usbmouse entry on there.
[08:34] <riobe> The terminal I ran lsusb in won't even respond to a Ctrl+C. That tanked it.
[08:34] <meganerd> riobe: you can try to "sudo rmmod usbmouse" and "sudo rmmod usbhid"
[08:34] <meganerd> riobe: what other usb devices do you have plugged in?
[08:35] <meganerd> riobe: this might not be a mouse issue
[08:35] <mndhck> (mndhck) 14.04 was working fine, till it restarted by itself today while I was using it for the first time. On boot, only a very low resolution was detected and networking disabled. This seemed like safe mode on windows, but none of the other kernels worked either. I'm flying today, so could someone help? Googling didn't turn up  anything relevant.
[08:36] <mndhck> Does someone know what's happening?
[08:36] <meganerd> riobe: not being able to reserve memory is also bad.
[08:36] <riobe> meganerd, Just had my USB keyboard die and had to plug in a PS2 one, which lends more credibility to it just being USB issue.
[08:36] <meganerd> riobe: you may need to reboot.
[08:37] <riobe> meganerd, The sudo rmmod usbhit hung too
[08:37] <meganerd> riobe: what other usb devices do you have?
[08:37] <meganerd> mndhck: problem description is too generic to say.  What laptop is this (make and model)
[08:37] <riobe> meganerd, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7754741/
[08:38] <riobe> That's the output of lsmod | grep usb
[08:38] <meganerd> riobe: I figured.  What sound card is that?
[08:38] <riobe> meganerd,  Something integrated into the motherboard.
[08:39] <yodawgplz> is distrowatch.com down for anyone else?
[08:39] <meganerd> riobe: that would be the hda_intel, I am talking about the usb one
[08:39] <ytw> down for me
[08:39] <ytw> yodawgplz ^
[08:40] <riobe> meganerd, I'm not sure. Is this showing hardware things? If so, then perhaps the speakers I have, but they're plugged in through the headphone-like jack (Pardon my ignorance as to what it's actually called). Perhaps it's my webcam, which has a microphone? Otherwise I have nothing else that should deal with audio plugged in via USB.
[08:41] <meganerd> riobe: I would unplug every usb device except your keyboard and mouse, then power down (shutdown -h now) before booting up.
[08:42] <mndhck> I was using a LiveUSB, and *that* shut down spontaneously too. Heat issues?
[08:42] <riobe> meganerd, Thanks for helping me figure this out. Very very appreciated. Figuring out it is a USB problem is already success. Ok, I'll give that a try. Be back afterwards.
[08:42] <mndhck> Even if it is the heat, cam the installed be saved?
 look at your error logs
[08:42] <mndhck> v1ros: dmesg?
[08:42] <byte> moin
[08:43] <mndhck> Aah, now the BiOS is stuck
[08:43]  * mndhck gives up for today
 sounds like a cpu issue but iam not for shure what it could be if i was you i would start looking at my error logs
[08:46] <mndhck> v1ros: Not booting right now, and I'm flying in some hours; so I'll check tomorrow. Thanks, though!
[08:48] <Riobe> meganerd, Well USB seems to be working again. But I have no idea how long it will work. Thanks for helping me get further.
[08:49] <meganerd> Riobe: I gotta get some sleep, but if it happens again, have a peek immediately at dmesg
[08:49] <Riobe> meganerd, Thanks for the tip. Sleep well. :)
[08:54] <svetlana> i have xubuntu-desktop and i installed the gnome-shell package. how do i add it to the login screen menu now?
[08:54] <svetlana> it did not do that automatically.
[08:54] <svetlana> Riobe: i see.
[08:56] <Riobe> svetlana, Welcome back. I'm up again after a reboot (in which I found another issue where I have to hard reset to get it to shut down) for some indeterminate amount of time. I have a console with "tail -f /var/log/{messages,kernel,dmesg,syslog}" in it so I can hopefully see what happened when my USB dies again.
[08:56] <svetlana> i see, nice
[08:57] <lnoskhen> Hello :)
[08:57] <lnoskhen> I installed Nvidia Driver with manual installation. Do I need to rebuild the driver every time I update my kernel to the new version? or is there any way aside from rebuilding the driver?
[08:57] <lnoskhen> Thanks
[08:58] <Riobe> svetlana, So this doesn't happen for you: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64241/how-do-i-switch-to-xubuntu
[08:58] <Riobe> ?
[08:59] <svetlana> i did install ubuntu about 3 years ago and switched to xubuntu ~2 years ago; now i am tryin to install gnome-shell again (since i uninstalled it during the time i was using xubuntu)
[08:59] <svetlana> so no, this scenario of using unity and then installing xubuntu didn't happen to me
[09:02] <Riobe> I want to be able to offer you some help back, but my google-fu for that issue is proving to be useless. Hopefully someone else knows.
[09:06] <Valentine21>  You can find funny videos here. http://bit.ly/1qKwqOf
[09:06] <jellow> !ops Valentine21
[09:07] <ytw> svetlana, I think it has something to do with /usr/share/xsessions/* files
[09:12] <sbaitso> how do you set keyboard backlight from the terminal?
[09:13] <Riobe> sbaitso, http://keramida.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/controlling-the-keyboard-backlight-from-cli/ Is this helpful?
[09:14] <lnoskhen> I installed Nvidia Driver with manual installation. Do I need to rebuild the driver every time I update my kernel to the new version? or is there any way aside from rebuilding the driver? Thanks :)
[09:14] <oscar-> hi all, is anyone aware of reported problems introduced with linux-image-generic 3.13.0-30.55 (while .54 works)?
[09:15] <ytw> sbaitso, you can echo value to a file under /sys/class/backlight depends on your hardware
[09:16] <svetlana> lnoskhen: look for it in the repos. if it's not there, you have to rebuild i believe
[09:16] <Riobe> lnoskhen,  I used dkms when I was playing with CentOS to ensure I wouldn't have to reinstall the Nvidia driver every kernel update. (and had directions to walk me through it. http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/base/dkms
[09:16] <ytw> lnoskhen, Install akmod instead
[09:16] <robynata> :-Dyesterday i got update that kernael
[09:16] <Riobe> I'm not 100% it works the same in ubuntu though.
[09:16] <ytw> lnoskhen, I think it's akmod-nvidia* something
[09:17] <jkbbwr> Im done!
[09:17] <lnoskhen> Thanks :) I'll check them out.
[09:17] <sbaitso> good stuff, Riobe
[09:17] <jkbbwr> Thanks to yall that helped me
[09:18] <Riobe> sbaitso, Glad it helped. :)
[09:19] <robynata> need kernel to fix brightness problem in ubuntu 14.04 without setting :-D
[09:40] <stangeland> I have installed hdf by just copying libs, headers and bins to /usr/* but whenever i install packages with apt, it gives hickups in the end like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7754924/    Should I worry about that? Should i fix that? how?
[09:42] <sebastianlutter> I want to install virtualbox headless on ubuntu server 14.04 (without x11 dependencies if possible, will use rdp to manage guests). But the ose version as well as the puel version from oracle had x11 stuff as dependency. What is the most minimal way to install virtualbox on ubuntu server?
[09:46] <DevFox> I'm getting this issue with Ubuntu 14.04 Server, I've put the details in a paste: http://pastebin.com/RRvWSma9
[09:47] <Tajger> Which internet camera do You recommend for Ubuntu?
[09:50] <DevFox> Does no-one have any idea?
[09:52] <swag> hello
[09:52] <Guest14207> ok hello
[09:52] <svetlana> DevFox: you're trying to run tmux server?
[09:52] <DevFox> svetlana: I added that command when I it game the error "cant connect to server"
[09:53] <svetlana> DevFox: your script should have stderr, not only stdout. what does it say?
[09:53] <svetlana> DevFox: something is telling me that the start-server command failed.
[09:54] <DevFox> svetlana: I screenshotted it here: http://i.imgur.com/PN4W8PS.png
[09:55] <svetlana> sorry, that doesn't answer my question :)
[09:55] <DevFox> svetlana: Well, how do I?
[09:56] <svetlana> actually, it probably does...
[09:56] <svetlana> try running "ps aux | grep tmux" for me please, I'd like to determine whether the tmux server is running now
[09:57] <DevFox> svetlana: http://pastebin.com/hg6Cm27P
[09:57] <tm79> hi
[09:59] <svetlana> DevFox: try the same without quotation marks please
[10:00] <Darkwell> hello there
[10:00] <DevFox> gry: http://pastebin.com/tAFSFSd8
[10:01] <Leeuwenhok> Hello
[10:02] <Leeuwenhok> I was using Ubuntu 13.10 a month ago and then I had to reinstall Windows (dual-boot). Now the option to boot to Ubuntu is gone. How do I recover that partition? I've made a Ubuntu 14.04 LiveUSB.
[10:05] <Darkwell> I upgraded a laptop that is not really fast but still works ok, did tweak a bit before such as removing/disabling the auto update tool(s) after the uopgrade into 14.04 software updater is back and slugging down the experience etc, how can I get rid of this so the machine still can operate smootly ?=
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Darkwell: which release did you upgrade from?
[10:12] <japan> hello
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Hi japan
[10:15] <japan> I from ukraine, and your?
[10:21] <Darkwell> the lts version before 14.04
[10:21] <Darkwell> changed the swappiness and reloaded the sysctl rules
[10:22] <Darkwell> tht helped a bit in increasing the response time
[10:25] <SoSueMe> Is there any good channel about OS X dev.? :)
[10:25] <fake> anyone can help me?
[10:25] <Darkwell> so software updater has always been a prob and i dont recall how i got rid of it before and now after the upgrade its back....
[10:26] <fake> what best C++ ide in linux? eclipse or monodevelop
[10:26] <Darkwell> fake, it depends on who you are what you prefewr to do and stuff like that...
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> SoSueMe: try #apple or #macos
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> Fake: there is no single best
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> Fake: if there was an outright best, nobody would use the others
[10:27] <Darkwell> fake, same as asking which is best : blue or yellow ? =)
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> fake: and they would die off as nobody would use them.
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> Fake: its like "what is the best browser?" its nonesense and everyone has a different opinion
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> Fake: its a ludicrous question
[10:29] <cfhowlett> fake the best is the one you like - choose
[10:29] <SoSueMe> fake: Qt Creator
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> Fake: you are using an OS that champions choice and freedom
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> fake: yet you ask a room of strangers what to use....smacks of Microsft don't you think?
[10:30]  * cfhowlett wishes users would remember that "freedom" means free to make their own choice.
[10:30] <Leeuwenhok> I was using Ubuntu 13.10 a month ago and then I had to reinstall Windows (dual-boot). Now the option to boot to Ubuntu is gone. How do I recover that partition? I've made a Ubuntu 14.04 LiveUSB.
[10:30] <cfhowlett> !grub|Leeuwenhok
[10:30] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok you need to reinstall grub
[10:31] <fake> im using monodevelop now
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Darkwell: so the only issue is with software centre? Is the rest of the OS responsive?
[10:31] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok and you should not need to "recover the partition" - only reset grub so it'll find all the OS on your system
[10:31] <fake> but i cant use the "ShellExecute" to open folder path (im newbie in C++) anyone can help me
[10:31] <Leeuwenhok> I'll try that. Thanks, guys.
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Fake: is monodevelop working for you? Is it ok and suits your needs?
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> Leeuwenhok: you may want to take this as an opportunity to reinstall with the Trusty. Saucy has about 2 weeks left of support
[10:33] <n1md4> hi.  could anyone recommend a good daap server?
[10:33] <fake> earlier im using VS2013 and im using Shellexecute to open website or files but in monodevelop i cant use that
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> !find daap
[10:33] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok ActionParsnip advised you well - perhaps install 14.04 time, yes?
[10:33] <Leeuwenhok> What Trusty?
[10:33] <cfhowlett> !trusty|Leeuwenhok
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> n1md4: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/natty/tangerine/
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> !info tangerine
[10:34] <Leeuwenhok> I downloaded the 14.04 release two weeks before. Wouldn't it be the release you're talking about?
[10:35] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok yes 14.04 is the one you want for Long Term Support
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> Leeuwenhok: yes. Ubuntu 14.04 is codenamed 'Trusty'. It is supported til April 2019
[10:36] <fake> ActionParsnip: can you help me? how to include objbase.h in monodevelop ide....or anyway to use ShellExecute?
[10:36] <Leeuwenhok> I have 13.10 installed and I have a liveUSB which contains 14.04. After fixing the GRUB, how do I update Ubuntu?
[10:37] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok DON'T fix grub.  boot the 14.04 usb and install it.  grub will be fixed as part of this process.
[10:37] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok that is to say, boot the usb and install 14.04
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Fake: i dont code, try a developer chanmel. Threre is probably one here on Freenode
[10:37] <Leeuwenhok> But I want to keep my previous files/apps.
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> Leeuwenhok: you will need to reinstall apps. You can restore user data from your backups
[10:38] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok move your /home to a dedicated partition.  when you install 14.04 DO NOT format that partition.
[10:38] <cfhowlett> !home
[10:38] <Leeuwenhok> Wouldn't it be easier to boot into 13.10 and let it update itself?
[10:39] <Leeuwenhok> There must be an automatic install option. I saw it when I last used 13.10.
[10:39] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok you mean download 14.04 again?  well, you could do that ...
[10:40] <Leeuwenhok> It wouldn't cause me trouble as I'd put it to download/install when I go to sleep. :p
[10:40] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok unattended upgrade?  you're braver than I am, but sure, that would work.  I guess.
[10:41] <Leeuwenhok> Why? Are there risks?
[10:41] <daswort> hi, is there already a bug report for a crash of unity_support_test that stops/crashed the installation? My launchpad search foo is not very good. :(
[10:41] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok there are always risks.  unattended means you would not be there to respond to system messages
[10:42] <Leeuwenhok> That's true.
[10:43] <Leeuwenhok> Then I'll just attend to it. 800 MB file would take about 2 hours to download.
[10:43] <Pegaso87> Hi guys ^__^
[10:44] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok as you already have the iso, you could add it to software sources and skip the download ...
[10:45] <Leeuwenhok> And how do I do that?
[10:46] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok http://sumtips.com/2011/05/upgrade-ubuntu-using-iso-image-file.html
[10:47] <Leeuwenhok> Thanks, I'll have a look at it.
[10:47] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-04-from-11-10-using-ubuntu-cd-dvd/
[10:49] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok huh.  this method may not be possible as the alternative CD is no more ...
[10:50] <cfhowlett> !alternate
[10:51] <Leeuwenhok> So what do you suggest? Download again?
[10:51] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok no, clean install. you've GOT the image
[10:52] <Mithrildar> Hey, clamTK was able to find the following virusses:
[10:52] <Mithrildar> PUA.Win32.Packer.PrivateExeProte-7 in shimx64.efi and MokManager.efi
[10:52] <Mithrildar> is this bad?
[10:53] <Mithrildar> Oh wow it's actually finding more now
[10:53] <Guest9377> hey all, so I spined a vps with an ubuntu image on my vps provider but it looks like locale is not prperly defined as some applications are complaining or failing because of it (for example percol) http://pastie.org/9360562 I guess I should fill in tht LANGUAGE line, but i'm not really sure of what it should look like... http://pastie.org/9360562
[10:53] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar this is not the place to search - look online for virus definitions
[10:53] <Guest9377> oh sorry, pasted thel ink twice
[10:53] <Mithrildar> cfhlowlett, I googled for those virusnames
[10:53] <Mithrildar> wasn't able to find a single thing
[10:54] <Mithrildar> Cant even remove the files....
[10:54] <Mithrildar> I haven't visited a funny website, got adblock, ghostery, noscript all running, apparmor
[10:56] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar clamav, like all virus scanners, has been known to report false positives    http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/applications/200817-clamav-false-positives.html
[10:56] <Mithrildar> But it didn't find them yesterday and it found similar viruses in the firefox cache
[10:56] <Leeuwenhok> I don't get it. I think I made it clear I want to keep my files and apps.
[10:57] <cfhowlett> Leeuwenhok fine.  reinstall grub.  do the online upgrade.
[10:57] <Ben64> Mithrildar: upload the files to virustotal and see how many report it as a virus
[10:57] <Leeuwenhok> Good enough. :0
[10:57] <Leeuwenhok> * :)
[10:58] <Mithrildar> Hmm all removed it, probably not the best idea
[10:58] <Ben64> Mithrildar: yep probably not
[10:59] <Mithrildar> Still
[10:59] <Mithrildar> it wouldn't make sense that it suddenly found something in the /boot/efi folder right?
[10:59] <Ben64> who knows, you deleted it before knowing what it does and if it was good or bad
[10:59] <Ben64> see if you can boot
[11:00] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar similar query yesterday - adobe placed a file in the /boot that the virus scan falsely reported as malware.  it was not.
[11:00] <histo> cfhowlett: why would adobe put something in /boot
[11:02] <Mithrildar> It was in Shim.efi and MokManager.efi though, not the place for legitimate stuff right?
[11:02] <cfhowlett> histo it was connected to one of the online services - don't remember the details.  the file itself proved persistent and recreated even after deletion.  thus the "malware" definition
[11:03] <Ben64> Mithrildar: you probably deleted stuff you need to boot, you should not have done that. do more research before taking a sledgehammer to things
[11:03] <Mithrildar> Yeah
[11:04] <Mithrildar> guilty Windows user here
[11:04] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar that would do it.
[11:06] <histo> Mithrildar: Is this a cloud machine you are scanning?
[11:06] <histo> Mithrildar: and what is left in /boot/efi ?
[11:07] <Behi> what is 14.04's out of the box system process management daemon?
[11:08] <Mithrildar> Well this is pretty weird
[11:08] <trijntje> Behi: service
[11:08] <Mithrildar> on my computer ClamTK detects a file as a virus, but when scanning it with VirusTotal, ClamAV doesnt detect it
[11:08] <Behi> trijntje is supervisor an alternative to service, systemd, upstart, etc?
[11:09] <trijntje> Behi: I dont know about supervisor, but ubuntu should uses systemd by default as far as I know
[11:09] <trijntje> !systemd
[11:09] <histo> Behi: upstart
[11:10] <trijntje> !upstart
[11:10]  * trijntje is confused, you should probably ask someone who knows more about it Behi
[11:12] <Mithrildar> So it seems like VirusTotal is okay with those files, so I have some questions:
[11:12] <Mithrildar> I deleted something in my /boot folder (shimx64.efi and MokManager.efi), I shouldn't have done that what should I do? Should I use Boot-Repair?
[11:13] <histo> Mithrildar: How many OS's where on this box?
[11:13] <Mithrildar> Windows 8 and Ubuntu 14.04
[11:14] <histo> Mithrildar: what's left in /boot/efi
[11:15] <Mithrildar> in the Ubuntu folder grubx64.efi
[11:16] <Mithrildar> and in the /boot/efi/EFI/Boot there is bootx64.efi
[11:18] <Mithrildar> So what should I do in the future? Should I only use ClamTK to scan my home folder and use antimalwarebytes on my Windows installation to keep Windows clean?
[11:18] <histo> Mithrildar: You should be good. No idea what the other files where.
[11:18] <histo> Mithrildar: their hash values matched that of a virus.
[11:19] <histo> I highly doubt their were two hash collisions in the same location with two different files for two different viruses
[11:19] <Mithrildar> Is that a bad thing or just a false positive?
[11:20] <histo> I think they were probably viruses. Most likely from windows. Since your user doesn't even have access to /boot/efi
[11:20] <histo> !av | Mithrildar
[11:20] <Mithrildar> I haven't logged into Windows since my last scan though
[11:20] <histo> Should be when files are passed from windows
[11:20] <Mithrildar> So I doubt it's Windows
[11:20] <histo> Mithrildar: have you tried to boot in windows and ubuntu yet?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar all the above said, it should impact your ubuntu OS but files sent to windows users might be suspect
[11:20] <cfhowlett> should NOT impact ...
[11:21] <trijntje> Mithrildar: in the future, just move a file instead of removing it. Then if something breaks you can simply copy it back
[11:21] <Mithrildar> Yeah I'll put stuff in the quarantine next time
[11:22] <Mithrildar> So am I safe to use my Windows or Ubuntu installation or should I look at reinstalling my PC?
[11:22] <histo> Mithrildar: There is no way they were from linux
[11:22] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar "reinstalling" is the default windows solution ... don't be that guy
[11:22] <Mithrildar> Well it would be weird if they were from Windows as I haven't booted Windows for a few days
[11:23]  * histo puts money on it.
[11:23]  * cfhowlett doubles down
[11:23] <histo> Mithrildar: try as your user ' touch /boot/efi/somefile.foo'   what comes up?
[11:24] <Mithrildar> No access
[11:24] <Mithrildar> Or something like that in Dutch
[11:24] <histo> Mithrildar: K so how did the virus get put there?  root is the only user that can write there.
[11:25] <Mithrildar> No clue, only installed stuff from official repos
[11:25]  * cfhowlett still suspects windows/adobe
[11:27] <histo> Mithrildar: you found an md5 collision in two files in the same location for two different viruses. afaik md5 collisions were only found in a stupid chinese lab study that was way outside the realm of possibility
[11:27] <Ben64> histo: incorrect, they were not viruses, and they were not matched based on hash
[11:28] <histo> s/possiblity/reality/
[11:28] <cfhowlett> !cookie|histo for the lulz!
[11:28] <histo> Ben64: How did clamav identify them?
[11:28] <Mithrildar> So this is what found now in my Ubuntu partition:
[11:28] <Mithrildar> Crap
[11:28] <Mithrildar> wont let me paste
[11:28] <histo> !paste | Mithrildar
[11:28] <Ben64> histo: the description said it all
[11:28] <Mithrildar> ./usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/rdoc/generator/template/darkfish/js/thickbox-compressed.js PUA.Script.Packed-1, /usr/lib/shim/MokManager.efi.signed, PUA.Win32.Packer.PrivateExeProte-7, /usr/lib/shim/shim.efi PUA.Win32.Packer.PrivateExeProte-7, /usr/lib/shim/shim.efi.signed PUA.Win32.Packer.PrivateExeProte-7
[11:28] <Ben64> "PUA.Win32.Packer.PrivateExeProte-7"
[11:29] <cfhowlett> and win32 is a WINDOWS attack
[11:29] <Ben64> PUA = Potentially Unwanted Application, Win32 (obvious) Packer = executable packer
[11:29] <Guido1> is there an option in xubuntu to set up the brightnes from the startup on?
[11:29] <Ben64> it targets anything that is packed by a certain packer, or looks like it
[11:29] <histo> Ben64: How do you think clam is identifying those files?
[11:29] <Ben64> it does not mean its a virus or anything at all
[11:29] <Mithrildar> Yeah I know it targets Windows
[11:30] <Mithrildar> but as I use Windows aswell
[11:30] <histo> Ben64: right. It still identifies them by hash
[11:30] <Ben64> no...
[11:30] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar "POTENTIALLY" unwanted app.
[11:31] <histo> It's finding based on the packer used
[11:31] <histo> silly warning message
[11:31] <Mithrildar> I'm reading that the PUA detection of ClamTK is pretty horrible
[11:31] <Mithrildar> should I turn that off?
[11:32] <Ben64> which is why you should not just delete stuff without knowledge
[11:32] <histo> Mithrildar: I wouldn't even be running clam in linux, nor deleting warning files
[11:32] <histo> Mithrildar: did you have a windows recovery partition on this drive?
[11:33] <histo> https://github.com/vrtadmin/clamav-faq/blob/master/faq/faq-pua.md
[11:33] <Mithrildar> There is a partition with of 472MB with Windows recovery files yeah
[11:33] <Kartagis> can you recommend a fancy dock to replace cairo?
[11:33] <histo> Mithrildar: that's probably no longer bootable
[11:33] <cfhowlett> !dock|Kartagis
[11:33] <Mithrildar> Okay no worries then, I got a Windows 8 disc
[11:34] <Mithrildar> Oh wow
[11:35] <Mithrildar> Thanks for that link histo
[11:36] <Mithrildar> So I should just ignore packers unless there is other fishy stuff going on?
[11:36] <histo> Mithrildar: but we won't know what you lost until you try booting both
[11:38] <histo> Mithrildar: how did you delete the files with clamav?
[11:38] <Mithrildar> I click the delete button :<
[11:39] <histo> Mithrildar: your /boot/efi is probably a fat partition right?   remount it ro NOW and recover the files
[11:41] <Mithrildar> Yeah it's Fat32 according to GParted
[11:41] <Mithrildar> Lemme google how to do that
[11:41] <histo> Mithrildar: mount -o remount,ro /boot/efi
[11:41] <dumnut> hi, i want to install mythbuntu. i now run xubuntu. do i inastall mythbutun on top of xbuntu i have now?
[11:42] <dumnut> or do i erase xubuntu and install mythbuntu fresh?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> !mythbuntu | dumnut
[11:42] <Mithrildar> Should I do that in sudo?
[11:42] <histo> Mithrildar: yes
[11:42] <Mithrildar> so that's mount -o remount
[11:42] <Mithrildar> and
[11:42] <Mithrildar> ro /boot/efi right
[11:42] <Mithrildar> seperate commands?
[11:43] <histo> Mithrildar: no one command sudo mount -o remount,ro /boot/efi
[11:43] <Mithrildar> okay
[11:43] <histo> Mithrildar: sorry sudo mount -o remount,ro /dev/of/your/boot/partition
[11:44] <dumnut> thank-you for info cfhowlett
[11:44] <cfhowlett> dumnut happy2help
[11:44] <histo> Mithrildar: lsblk will show you it's /dev/sdX#
[11:45] <Mithrildar> Is it /dev/sda1? That's what GParted says
[11:45] <dumnut> i still didn't read it clearly unless i am dense, if mythbuntu is a fresh install with zubuntu erased
[11:46] <histo> Mithrildar: yeah so sudo mount -o remount,ro /dev/sda1
[11:46] <cfhowlett> dumnut you will NOT erase *buntu as it is the basis of mythbuntu.  for details go to the mythbuntu channel
[11:46] <Mithrildar> Did that
[11:46] <Mithrildar> should it produce output? Because it didnt
[11:47] <histo> Mithrildar: no output is no errors,  type    mount   by itself should show you how it's moutned and what options currently
[11:47] <histo> Mithrildar: sudo apt-get install testdisk
[11:47] <dumnut> ahh, you've ansered my question: keep xubuntu and install mythbunutu on top of it. forgive my denseness cfhowlett
[11:48] <Mithrildar> Ok installed that histo
[11:48] <histo> sudo testdisk /dev/sda1
[11:48] <Ben64> Mithrildar: i'd make an image of the partition first, using "dd if=/dev/<whatever> of=/home/you/blah.img"
[11:48] <histo> Mithrildar: actually sudo testdisk  and select /dev/sda1
[11:48] <Mithrildar> Create a new log file?
[11:48] <histo> Mithrildar: sure
[11:49] <Mithrildar> Then the EFI GPT partition?
[11:49] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Hi. I'm using gparted to resize an ext3 partition (make it smaller, end further to the left), but I'm surprised that it apparently copies *everything* and will take 15 hours
[11:49] <histo> Mithrildar: yeah in another terminal sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/home/username/backup.img bs=1M
[11:49] <Mithrildar> at the same time?
[11:49] <histo> Mithrildar: yeah that's fine
[11:49] <Mithrildar> Analyse it?
[11:50] <histo> Mithrildar: no you want advanced
[11:50] <billybigpotatoes> Hi there everyone
[11:51] <histo> Mithrildar: under advanced you can undelete files you highlight one and press c  to copy it out. it will ask you where you want to save it.
[11:51] <billybigpotatoes> Can anyone give me some good advice on nvidia drivers in order to avoid xorg crash with sigbrt?
[11:51] <cfhowlett> dumnut happy2help
[11:52] <Mithrildar> Okay, so I go to advanced, then select EFI System
[11:52] <histo> k
[11:52] <Mithrildar> Then I'm asked where to store image.dd
[11:52] <Mithrildar> Documents is fine right?
[11:52] <Mithrildar> Or current folder
[11:53] <histo> Mithrildar: yeah Documents is fine.
[11:53] <Mithrildar> Image created succesfully
[11:53]  * histo fires up testdisk it's been awhile
[11:53] <Mithrildar> Okay thanks man, I appreciate it
[11:54] <Mithrildar> So should I do that other command already?
[11:54] <Mithrildar> I guess it's not needed anymore as testdisk already made one
[11:54] <Mithrildar> There's nothing on this PC that I can lose anyhow
[11:55] <Mithrildar> its all on the cloud
[11:55] <histo> k
[11:55] <histo> If it created an image than no.
[11:56] <Mithrildar> Yeah there's an image.dd in my folder
[11:57] <repozitor> how can i use ssh as tunneling mode?
[11:57] <histo> Mithrildar: after you click advnaced use the arrow keys to go to the right to select Undelete on the bottom of the testdisk screne
[11:57] <repozitor> in putty i done it already, but don't know how to do it under the ubuntu
[11:58] <Mithrildar> There's only [Type] [Image Creation] and [Quit] in the Advanced window
[11:58] <histo> Mithrildar: quit
[11:58] <histo> Mithrildar: run testdisk on the image you created
[11:59] <Mithrildar> Okay
[12:00] <Mithrildar> so sudo testdisk image.dd?
[12:00] <histo> Mithrildar: if that's your image name use
[12:00] <histo> s/use/yes/
[12:01] <SoSueMe> ahh, no people in #macos
[12:01] <Mithrildar> Okay
[12:01] <histo> Mithrildar: what are your options when it first opens?
[12:01] <Mithrildar> then I select the partition map to be EFI GPT?
[12:01] <histo> Mithrildar: select None for no partition map
[12:01] <Mithrildar> Okay
[12:01] <histo> Mithrildar: it's a filesystem it's not a partitioned drive
[12:02] <histo> Mithrildar: that was the problem
[12:02] <Mithrildar> Ah
[12:02] <Mithrildar> Should should I just run normal testdisk again
[12:02] <Mithrildar> and then select unpartitioned?
[12:02] <histo> Mithrildar: No we can get them from the image
[12:03] <Mithrildar> Okay
[12:03] <Mithrildar> So I go to advanced
[12:03] <Mithrildar> select undelete
[12:03] <Mithrildar> on P FAT32
[12:03] <histo> Mithrildar: yes and select the red files by hitting :   then press C   like it says at the bottom to copy them out, it will ask you to confirm a destination and you press C again I believe to recover them.
[12:04] <Mithrildar> There are no red files
[12:04] <histo> Mithrildar: What files are there?
[12:04] <histo> Mithrildar: is there an efi directory?
[12:04] <Mithrildar> There's just drwxr-xr-x and -r-xr-xr-x
[12:04] <Mithrildar> EFI and BOOTSECT.BAK
[12:04] <histo> Mithrildar: press enter on EFI
[12:05] <histo> Mithrildar: use up and down arrows to select EFI then hit enter to go into that directory
[12:05] <histo> follow me?
[12:06] <Mithrildar> Yup
[12:06] <Mithrildar> Now I get the ubuntu, Microsoft and Boot folders
[12:06] <histo> Mithrildar: see your red/deleted files now?
[12:06] <noob> hello
[12:07] <noob> i am trying to generate an ssh tunnel for mysql using a keyfile but it uses a password instead
[12:07] <histo> Mithrildar: navigate those directories to find them.  if you press enter on .. it will take you back a directory
[12:07] <Guest39634> this is the guide i am following
[12:07] <Guest39634> http://chxo.com/be2/20040511_5667.html
[12:07] <histo> Guest39634: does your key file have a password?
[12:07] <Guest39634> no
[12:08] <Guest39634> this is where it failes
[12:08] <Guest39634> root@local# ssh -fNg -L 3307:127.0.0.1:3306 myuser@remotehost.com
[12:08] <Mithrildar> So I'm unable to find them, let me search in the ClamTK log file where they should have been
[12:08] <histo> Mithrildar: probably in the ubuntu directory or the microsoft one.
[12:08] <Guest39634> it asks for a password instead of using the key file i just made for it
[12:08] <histo> Mithrildar: how big is the image.dd file?
[12:09] <Mithrildar> Yeah they should be there, but I'm only seeing grubx64.efi and grub.cfg
[12:09] <histo> Guest39634: you are logged in as root? did you create the key as a user or root?
[12:09] <Mithrildar> 536.9MB
[12:09] <Guest39634> logged to client as root
[12:10] <Guest39634> loged to server (containing db) as myuser
[12:10] <Guest39634> (and also as root on another window)
[12:10] <histo> Mithrildar: if you deleted those files they are still there on fat assuming nothing else has been written to that filesystem.
[12:10] <histo> Guest39634: You aren't making anysense.  How did you generate the key?
[12:10] <Mithrildar> I guess ClamAV fully deleted them then
[12:11] <histo> Mithrildar: doubtfull
[12:11] <histo> Mithrildar: did you find the files in your log?
[12:11] <Mithrildar> Yup /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi and /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/MokManager.efi
[12:11] <guest_______> got disconnected,  can you repeat please?
[12:12] <histo> Mithrildar: okay so in testdisk go in the EFI/ubuntu directory do you see those files there?
[12:12] <guest_______> the only difference between the guide and my server is that the key file is generated to /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub instead of /var/root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub in the guide
[12:13] <Mithrildar> Directory /EFI/ubuntu
[12:13] <Mithrildar> Only seeing grubx64.efi
[12:13] <histo> guest_______: yeah that's normal. did you copy your key to the remote server?
[12:13] <guest_______> yeah
[12:13] <histo> Mithrildar: in another terminal tar -czvf image.dd.tgz image.dd
[12:13] <histo> guest_______: how?
[12:13] <guest_______> cat /tmp/myhost.local_rsa.pub >> /home/myuser/.ssh/authorized_keys
[12:14] <guest_______> chmod 600 /home/myuser/.ssh/authorized_keys
[12:14] <Mithrildar> Okay it finished doing that histo
[12:14] <histo> guest_______: ssh-copy-id username@remoteserver
[12:14] <Mithrildar> Got a nice .tgz file now
[12:14] <histo> Mithrildar: how big is the image.dd.tgz file?
[12:14] <Mithrildar> 356.4 MB
[12:15] <histo> ughh
[12:15] <Mithrildar> image.dd is a bit bigger at 540MB
[12:15] <histo> Mithrildar: did you do anyting after you deleted the files with clam like install another system or try writing files to /boot/efi?
[12:15] <guest_______> histo: i did it and it required a password
[12:16] <Mithrildar> no and not that I know off
[12:16] <histo> guest_______: k now ssh username@remoteserver   and does it ask for a password?
[12:16] <histo> Mithrildar: K quit testdisk and sudo testdisk /dev/sda1
[12:16] <histo> Mithrildar: select no partion > advanced > Undelete then go in the EFI > ubuntu and are those files there?
[12:17] <guest_______> still
[12:17] <Mithrildar> Yeah it found them now :)
[12:17] <Mithrildar> Two red files
[12:18] <histo> Mithrildar: Press : on each of them and then hit C to copy out multiple files select where you want to save them to temporarily
[12:18] <guest_______> i am looking at the public key in the remote and it seems like that maybe the problem
[12:18] <histo> guest_______: are you using putty or linux > linux ?
[12:19] <guest_______> it is all in one line
[12:19] <guest_______> linux > linux
[12:19] <histo> guest_______: yeah it's supposed to be in one line
[12:19] <guest_______> but the last two words of it are strange
[12:19] <histo> guest_______: the last words on the line should be user@host
[12:20] <guest_______> yeah
[12:20] <guest_______> so what could it be?
[12:20] <Mithrildar> Ok
[12:20] <Mithrildar> copied both to my home directory
[12:20] <histo> guest_______: you can ssh -vvv and find out. perhaps key based login isn't enabled or something
[12:21] <histo> Mithrildar: K now sudo mount -o remount /dev/sda1
[12:21] <Mithrildar> done
[12:21] <guest_______> client:
[12:21] <guest_______> OpenSSH_5.9p1 Debian-5ubuntu1.3, OpenSSL 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012 usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxYy] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec]            [-D [bind_address:]port] [-e escape_char] [-F configfile]            [-I pkcs11] [-i identity_file]            [-L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport]            [-l login_name] [-m mac_spec] [-O ctl_cmd] [-o option] [-p port]            [-R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] [-S ctl_path]
[12:22] <guest_______> server:
[12:22] <guest_______> OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxYy] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec]            [-D [bind_address:]port] [-e escape_char] [-F configfile]            [-I pkcs11] [-i identity_file]            [-L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport]            [-l login_name] [-m mac_spec] [-O ctl_cmd] [-o option] [-p port]            [-R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] [-S ctl_path]        
[12:22] <histo> !paste | guest_______
[12:22] <histo> guest_______: ssh -vvv user@remoteserver
[12:23] <histo> Mithrildar: now sudo cp the files back to /boot/efi/ubuntu/
[12:23] <histo> Mithrildar: and ls -l and confirm their permissions match the others
[12:23] <cfhowlett> !kylin
[12:23] <histo> cfhowlett: ?
[12:24] <Mithrildar> so:
[12:24] <Mithrildar> sudo MokManager.efi /boot/EFI/ubuntu/?
[12:24] <Mithrildar> *sudo cp
[12:24] <cfhowlett> histo nm - should have sent it to myself via pm
[12:24] <histo> Mithrildar: sudo cp *.efi /boot/efi/ubuntu  yeah you can use tab completion to type out the directory also like /bo<press tab key>
[12:25]  * histo is confused random bot trigger
[12:26] <histo> Mithrildar: after you copy them ls -l /boot/EFI/ubuntu
[12:26] <cfhowlett> !vbox > cfhowlett
[12:26] <histo> cfhowlett: you can /msg ubottu searchterm
[12:26] <Mithrildar> They all have the same green color when I cd to that folder and do ls -l
[12:27] <Mithrildar> Wait
[12:27] <Mithrildar> lemme just copy the whole text for you
[12:27] <histo> Mithrildar: do their permissions match like rx-r-r or whatever? and the root root part?
[12:27] <Mithrildar> Probably more useful :)
[12:27] <guest_______> histo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7755417/
[12:27] <Mithrildar> Yeah
[12:27] <Mithrildar> They're all
[12:27] <Mithrildar> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root     126 jul  4 14:49 grub.cfg
[12:28] <histo> Good to go then, you can now bill yourself $1000.00/hr for data recovery
[12:28] <Mithrildar> But the two new files have:
[12:28] <Mithrildar> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1178240 jul  6 14:25 MokManager.efi
[12:28] <Mithrildar> a 6 instead of a 4
[12:28] <histo> guest_______: you didn't generate a key properly thne
[12:28] <guest_______> the key is in /root/.ssh/id_rsa
[12:28] <histo> guest_______: or if you did it's not there
[12:28] <guest_______> yeah it's not where it is looking
[12:29] <guest_______> how can i  make it look /root/.ssh/id_rsa ?
[12:29] <histo> Mithrildar: that's the date
[12:29] <Mithrildar> Ah
[12:29] <histo> Mithrildar: it's fine all is good bill yourself now.
[12:29] <Mithrildar> Oh right :)
[12:30] <Mithrildar> Yeah now I see it
[12:30] <Mithrildar> doh
[12:30] <guest_______> just nano to the file, seems okay
[12:30] <guest_______> -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
[12:30] <histo> guest_______: not sure why it's not trying rsa then.
[12:30] <Mithrildar> So I guess that I should try booting both Windows and Ubuntu now to see if everything works fine right?
[12:31] <histo> Mithrildar: sound's good to me.
[12:31] <Mithrildar> And then I can delete all that temporary stuff
[12:31] <histo> Mithrildar: you can delete the tgz file we created.  I was trying to see if we could get it small enough for you to send it to me. So I had you compress the image you made.
[12:31] <Mithrildar> Ah
[12:32] <Mithrildar> Can I delete the image.dd and the .efi files too after I've confirmed that PC succesfully reboots
[12:32] <histo> Mithrildar: yeah
[12:32] <Mithrildar> Okay great
[12:33] <Mithrildar> So in the future I should just leave PUAs (and other possible infections) outside my home folder and investigate them first? It's fine to delete PUAs in my home folder (or Firefox cache) right?
[12:34] <histo> guest_______: What is output of cat /etc/issue
[12:34] <guest_______> Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[12:35] <Mithrildar_> Okay Lets reboot
[12:35] <histo> Mithrildar: PUAs are suspected malware just because of how the files is compressed. It's not a virus. It's more of a warning hey some malware uses this compression technique
[12:35] <histo> guest_______: and the other machine?
[12:35] <Mithrildar> But if it sees a PUA.Phising.Bank in my firefox cache it's pretty safe to delete it right?
[12:36] <Mithrildar_> Okay rebooting
[12:36] <guest_______> Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 \n \l
[12:36] <guest_______> if it uses the other two methods, why not just switch to one of those?
[12:36] <histo> Mithrildar_: yeah who cares about he firefox cache
[12:36] <cfhowlett> guest_______ debian 7?  not supported here ...
[12:36] <Mithrildar_> Yeah ok
[12:37] <Mithrildar_> Makes sense
[12:37] <histo> guest_______: you could try that and confirm that it isn't accepting the rsa key
[12:37] <histo> s/accepting/trying/
[12:37] <Mithrildar_> OK Windows boots fine
[12:37] <histo> Mithrildar_: I wouldn't even use clamav in linux but that's my opinion
[12:38] <Mithrildar_> But am I fine if I just run makware
[12:38] <guest_______> so this line   "     ssh-keygen -t rsa     "    should be: "     ssh-keygen -t dsa     "   ?
[12:38] <Mithrildar_> Malwarebytes
[12:39] <histo> guest_______: yeah if you want to test.
[12:39] <Mithrildar_> In Windows
[12:39] <guest_______> you mean i should not use it for production?
[12:39] <Mithrildar_> Well as fine as I can be
[12:39] <histo> Mithrildar_: yeah run malware bytes and clamav in windows. In linux you don't really need antivirus unless you are sending files off to windows
[12:40] <histo> guest_______: No meaning to test to figure out the problem you are experiencing
[12:40] <Mithrildar_> Yeah running malwarebytes and avast in Windows
[12:40] <histo> guest_______: I haven't the foggiest why you are using sql over ssh in the first place in production but whatever.
[12:40] <Mithrildar_> Should I make sure that writing to a Windows partition requires root?
[12:41] <Mithrildar_> If thats possible
[12:41] <histo> Mithrildar_: What?
[12:42] <histo> Mithrildar_: You don't need to scan your ubuntu partition for viruses is all I'm saying but if you want to go ahead.
[12:42] <eeeeee> he thinks a virus can run on linux, and install itself to windows
[12:43] <histo> ahh
[12:43] <Mithrildar_> I mean making sure that linux cant write to Windows without root
[12:43] <guest_______> have to connect to remote db and want to secure the connection. after googling and asking around i was told that the options are: a) using ssl from mysql configuration.  or b) ssh tunnel to the remote host.
[12:43] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar_ pretty sure that's the default
[12:43] <guest_______> do you know of a better way?
[12:43] <eeeeee> Mithrildar_: i think histo meant that a virus wont run on linux, but if you install something for windows on linux and transfer it to windows for use, then you need an antivirus
[12:43] <Mithrildar_> OK thought so,  but just in case
[12:44] <histo> Mithrildar_: Not a concern, the concern comes that if you are working with untrusted files and sending them off to windows partition. Those untrusted files could have a virus and could cause hell to windows. Linux will not be infected.
[12:44] <Mithrildar_> Yup
[12:44] <histo> hopefully one of us made that clear.
[12:45] <Mithrildar> Yeah I kinda know that I shouldn't get malware on Ubuntu
[12:45] <Mithrildar> but being a paranoid Windows user ;)
[12:45] <Mithrildar> So are chkrootkit and rkhunter any useful?
[12:46] <histo> Mithrildar: yes
[12:46] <histo> Mithrildar: well are you hosting anything on your ubuntu box?
[12:46] <Mithrildar> Not that I know :P
[12:46] <Mithrildar> Mostly using it for browsing the web and easier C++ development (got tired of Visual Studio)
[12:47] <histo> Mithrildar: well if you aren't listening on ssh or hosting, the chances of a rootkit beign installed somehow by remote exploitation are few and far between. Especially since you are probably sitting behind a firewall on your router/dsl/cablemodem
[12:47] <Mithrildar> And sometimes I use PuTTY to connect to an ubuntu server at my uni
[12:48] <Mithrildar> Yeah my router has a firewall and I enabled ufw
[12:48] <Mithrildar> Thanks for all the help histo, I really learned a lot too :)
[12:48] <Mithrildar> And sorry for being such a linux noob :P
[12:49] <Mithrildar> Using Windows for years does something with you :(
[12:49] <histo> Mithrildar: no problem we all had to start somewhere.
[12:50] <histo> Mithrildar: eventually you may uninstall windows.
[12:50] <Mithrildar> Hopefully
[12:50] <Mithrildar> But I'm not there yet sadly
[12:50] <histo> No more malware/virus/crap worries
[12:50] <histo> and lot less $$
[12:50] <Mithrildar> Got Windows through Dreamspark so it didnt cost me a dime
[12:51] <Mithrildar> If I had to pay for it I would have switched to Linux way earlier :P
[12:51] <cfhowlett> Mithrildar you've clearly got the patience to trouble shoot and systematically chase down problems.  you'll do fine
[12:51] <Mithrildar> Yay :)
[12:53] <Mithrildar> I guess that I'll keep hanging around here, maybe I'll pick some things up :)
[12:53] <histo> Mithrildar: absolutely, and you may find someone having an issue you experienced that you can help them with.
[12:54] <Mithrildar> Yeah that would be cool
[12:54]  * histo has been here for 7 years ughh
[12:55] <Guido1> is there an option in xubuntu to set up the brightnes from the startup on?
[12:57] <histo> Guido1: you could plunk a command to autostart if there isn't, perhaps ask in #xubuntu
[13:04] <guest_______> well using dsa did the trick, now making it a daemon
[13:10] <guest_______> the guide says adding this line:   "sm:345:respawn:/usr/bin/ssh -Ng -L 3307:127.0.0.1:3306 myuser@remotehost.com" to /etc/inittab and typing kill -HUP 1 will make it a daemon that will make it work on system startup
[13:10] <medamine> aa
[13:11] <guest_______> i did it and rebooted but unless i initiate the connection myself it does not allow it
[13:12] <guest_______> basiclly my question is how to run this command: "ssh -fNg -L 3307:127.0.0.1:3306 myuser@remotehost.com" on my ubuntu on system startup?
[13:13] <MasterOfDisaster> guest_______: I won't ondone it as a good idea, but have a look at /etc/rc.local. You may run it on GNOME/KDE login too.
[13:13] <MasterOfDisaster> *condone
[13:13] <guest_______> what make syou say that?
[13:13] <SoSueMe> Is there any Mr. Chinese?
[13:14] <guest_______> the only reason i am doing this is to improve my code an dsecurity so i would appreciate your input on this
[13:16] <Mithrildar> Okay next issue (hopefully an easier one). I have a network disk that I can only reach through a VPN, but I dont want to send the rest of my traffic through the VPN. So I've set the VPNs method to "automatic, VPN addresses only", but it seems to ignore that
[13:18] <Mithrildar> resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head is empty, but resolv.conf in /etc/ has nameserver 127.0.1.1, could that be causing the issue?
[13:19] <Mithrildar> the resolv.conf in /run/ has this nameserver in it too
[13:28] <xxdkxx> hey this is my first time using irc
[13:30] <jayjee> Hi All, I'm wondering if anyone here have the experience of taking Ubuntu to their company that runs everything today on Windows ?
[13:32] <jayjee> I work for MNC and they using W7 as OS but based on my experience they could have used free OS like Ubuntu.
[13:32] <jayjee> This post inspired me: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1nz70l/just_started_my_new_job_yesterday_at_amazon_and/
[13:33] <bazhang> jayjee, this is more appropriate for #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:33] <bazhang> !cn | SoSueMe
[13:33] <jayjee> bazhang, gotcha, would move. Thanks for your guidance.
[13:33] <jayjee> join #xubuntu-offtopic
[13:56] <w4|k3r> djkjdkjfkjdf
[13:57] <w4|k3r> Sorry about the previous line - was checking out irssi
[13:57] <w4|k3r> and by mistake typed it
[13:57] <robynata> :-D
[13:58] <abc_harold_> lol
[14:01] <Guest53354> bonjour, je souhaiterais savoir si quelqu'un utilise galternatives?
[14:01] <somsip> !fr | Guest53354
[14:01] <Guest53354> Ok thank you for your help
[14:08] <infinmed> Hello!
[14:16] <hackal> Hello, I used rufus to create bootable USB with ubuntu 14.04 desktop. I would like to install it on my notebook which has windows 8 now. While installation of ubuntu there is option to "format"/delete all data before installation. Is it enough to remove windows or do I have to do some other format before installation of ubuntu?
[14:17] <hanhuikin> hello
[14:17] <Mithrildar> Hi
[14:17] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: just to be sure: you want dual boot or just Ubuntu?
[14:17] <cfhowlett> hackal formatting ant.will remove windows = it that's what you w
[14:17] <hackal> MasterOfDisaster: no I want to replace windows with ununtu
[14:17] <hanhuikin> I am new user that local in shanghai China
[14:17] <hanhuikin> where are you ?
[14:18] <cfhowlett> !cn|hanhuikin
[14:18] <cfhowlett> !kylin| hanhuikin
[14:18] <hanhuikin> hah
[14:18] <hanhuikin> haha
[14:18] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: ok, then the formatting will get rid of it.
[14:18] <SoSueMe> ha上海的朋友
[14:18] <cfhowlett> hackal and you have backed up all the important data already - right?
[14:19] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: you might want to adjust the partitioning scheme, though.
[14:19] <Mithrildar> Are you sure you want to remove it fully, hackal? Installing Windows next to Ubuntu is a bit of a pain
[14:19] <hackal> cfhowlett: everything backed up
[14:19] <cfhowlett> hackal OK then, go for it!
[14:19] <hanhuikin> in fact I install ubuntu in this night
[14:19] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: windows creates a system partition that you might want to rid your system of, so adjust your partitions with the installer.
[14:20] <hackal> My situation is that I had pirate copy of windows 8, I need to put my notebook to service but not with pirated software
[14:20] <cfhowlett> hanhuikin for chat, use ubuntu-offtopic.  if you need help, ask your questions
[14:20] <hackal> So I would like to temporarily install ubuntu and then install win 7
[14:20] <cfhowlett> hackal ??? that makes no sense.  if you need win7, install it
[14:21] <Mithrildar> No reason to install Ubuntu then
[14:21] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: if you want to just wipe your disk (thoroughly), boot from a livecd and run something like 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda'
[14:21] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: that will zero out your harddisk.
[14:21] <Mithrildar> If you really need access to a non-pirated OS for a short while you could just boot the live CD
[14:21] <hanhuikin> wow , I want install the vim use this command apt -get install vim ,but it said can't find -g why?
[14:21] <hackal> There is big chance that win 7 will not be original too
[14:22] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: Or just reset it with the recovery media/from the recovery partition on your laptop.
[14:22] <Mithrildar> hanhuikin: apt-get not apt -get
[14:22] <MasterOfDisaster> hanhuikin: extra space
[14:22] <cfhowlett> hanhuikin use the ubuntu software center to install
[14:22] <Oxid> hi, how can r replay to someone  ?
[14:22] <MasterOfDisaster> hanhuikin: sudo apt-get install vim
[14:22] <cfhowlett> !tab|Oxid
[14:23] <hanhuikin> ok I will try thank you
[14:23] <hanhuikin> thank you all
[14:23] <Dear-User> What is source language of GNU/Linux?
[14:23] <hackal> I non-functioning button on notebook keyboard. It is still in warranty. However there is possibility they would not accept my defect because I used pirated OS. Thats why I need to install Ubuntu just for the time it will be in service. After that I would like to install windows.
[14:23] <cfhowlett> Dear-User several languages are used during coding
[14:24] <Oxid> i don't get it
[14:24] <cfhowlett> hackal pretty sure they will NOT accept ubuntu for servicing
[14:24] <MasterOfDisaster> Dear-User: If you are talking just about the kernel, then it's mostly C with a little Assembler.
[14:24] <bekks> Dear-User: There are various languages for various parts.
[14:25] <microm> apt-get install jenkins installation method results in jenkins plugins list to be incomplete
[14:25] <Mithrildar> Most of the core is written in C afaik, some other important components are written in C++, UI stuff is written in a bunch of languages
[14:25] <MasterOfDisaster> Dear-User: If you are talking about the multitude of software available, then I'm pretty sure that most languages you can think of are featured in some project available.
[14:25] <cfhowlett> Dear-User why?  what are you attempting
[14:25] <bekks> Mithrildar: Lets not mention all the scripts and their languages ;)
[14:25] <hackal> cfhowlett: I have to ask them. But I think, because my defect is mechanical, they should care if it is ubuntu.
[14:25] <hanhuikin> yeah it works !
[14:25] <Oxid> ubottu, like this ?
[14:25] <cfhowlett> hackal best you ask them
[14:25] <hackal> cfhowlett: shouldn't
[14:26] <kurion> Hi all, for some reason on Firefox the default search of my address bar is to my routers isp search page rather than my default search engine
[14:26] <kurion> Is there any way to fix this?
[14:27] <cfhowlett> kurion firefox preferences > default homepage settings
[14:27] <Oxid> u
[14:27] <Mithrildar> Oh yeah ofcourse, bekks. I was just trying to make clear that the closer the code is to the core of linux, the closer the languages used are to machine language
[14:29] <Oxid> ubottu: huh
[14:29] <Dear-User> !python
[14:29] <microm> why is jenkins not updating the list of plugins when installed with apt-get install jenkins?
[14:29] <Oxid> ubottu, bla bla
[14:30] <cfhowlett> !info jenkins
[14:30] <somsip> cfhowlett: PPA is regularly updated FWIW
[14:30] <cfhowlett> microm it's a ppa - not supported here.  sorry.  ask the ppa maintainers for assistance and/or see their page for support
[14:31] <MasterOfDisaster> microm: AFAIK, it does it on its own if you click on the update button in the web interface.
[14:31] <somsip> cfhowlett: sorry - did see the OP
[14:31] <somsip> *did not...
[14:31] <microm> I use precise, not trusty
[14:31] <microm> MasterOfDisaster: no, unfortunately, it does not update when I click the update button, nor when I force a plugin list update
[14:31] <hackal> Do you use on your computer ubuntu only, do you dual-boot with windows or do you use VMs?
[14:31] <microm> it only works when I run jenkins by hand with java -jar jenkins.war
[14:32] <cfhowlett> hackal all of the above.  why?  what are you trying to accomplish?
[14:32] <MasterOfDisaster> microm: permissions issue then.
[14:32] <Oxid> how can i make a hotspot from ma pc to connect my phone to internet ?
[14:32] <microm> MasterOfDisaster: that is my guess as well
[14:32] <MasterOfDisaster> microm: your box's internet isn't restricted, right?
[14:32] <hanhuikin> can the apache install on the ubuntu ?
[14:32] <cfhowlett> !ics| oxid
[14:33] <MasterOfDisaster> microm: strace might help
[14:33] <microm> MasterOfDisaster: I can wget from that box
[14:33] <Oxid> thx
[14:33] <bekks> hanhuikin: Sure, just install the package named "apache2"
[14:33] <MasterOfDisaster> microm: I'll go with permissions issue then. -> strace -p
[14:34] <hanhuikin> you mean just install the apache?
[14:34] <cfhowlett> hanhuikin you asked if apache could be installed.  "yes"
[14:34] <microm> MasterOfDisaster: it runs as a service, so I'll be adding strace to what?
[14:34] <cfhowlett> !apache| hanhuikin
[14:34] <hanhuikin> the component is obtain in the software?
[14:34] <MasterOfDisaster> microm: strace can attach to a process id with -p
[14:35] <MasterOfDisaster> microm: see the manpage
[14:35] <hanhuikin> ok
[14:36] <hackal> I am installing ubuntu 14.04 desktop right now, I have several options in front of me. 1. Erase disk & install ubuntu 2. Something else: create/resize partitions. My goal is to completely replace windows 8. So I should choose 1. Right?
[14:36] <hanhuikin>  I just want to build a web site for learning
[14:36] <tonyt> hackal 1
[14:36] <cfhowlett> hackal 1.erase disk and install ubuntu
[14:36] <MasterOfDisaster> hackal: yeah. for your problem though, zeroing your disk with dd might be preferable.
[14:38] <hanhuikin> LAMP
[14:39] <cfhowlett> !lamp|hanhuikin READ the link for answers to such basic questions.
[14:40] <hanhuikin> yes I am looking at the introduction at baidu
[14:42] <microm> where is the list of bugs per package for ubuntu?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> !bug
[14:47] <microm> MasterOfDisaster: not sure why but strace -p on the jenkins pid prints nothing to the screen
[14:47] <morpheus7> hello - i've 2 Ubuntu server installs with the standard kernals. I update using apt, however 1 is on 3.5.0-52-generic & the other 3.5.0-47-generic. Not sure why the 3.5.0-47-generic won't update[D[D to 52. Any ideas?
[14:47] <Deihmos_> hackal, why would you want to replace it?
[14:47] <Deihmos_> will come a time you may need to use a windows program
[14:48] <hackal> Deihmos_: I am in situation where I cant have any pirated software/OS on my notebook. I have pirated win 8
[14:49] <Mithrildar> hackal: But if you're installing Windows 7, why do you need Ubuntu?
[14:50] <Mithrildar> Could just use the live cd to wipe your disk
[14:50] <Mithrildar> and then install what ever OS you want
[14:51] <Deihmos> hackal, didn't your netbook come with windows
[14:51] <hackal> Mithrildar: yes that was option too. But I must use this PC for a while before I will put it to servcie.
[14:51] <Deihmos> netbooks are such crap
[14:52] <Deihmos> good thing they stopped making them
[14:52] <hackal> Deihmos: No, notebook without OS is cheaper than with OS
[14:52] <bekks> Deihmos: Huh? Notebooks are still being made.
[14:52] <Deihmos> no
[14:52] <cfhowlett> bekks in China?  yes.
[14:52] <bekks> Deihmos: And netbooks too. :)
[14:53] <Deihmos> stopped seeing them
[14:53] <Deihmos> asus discontinued them
[14:54] <bekks> Deihmos: Asus named them "Zenbook" now. Same thing, different name :)
[14:55] <Deihmos> when i hear netbook I mean those low powered devices with 2GB maximum ram
[14:55] <Deihmos> atom processors
[14:56] <Deihmos> zenbooks have i7 processors
[14:56] <bekks> Deihmos: So you are talking about their current flagship, Asus Transformerbook Book T100
[14:57] <hackal> Deihmos: I dont have netbook, I have laptop Asus k55vj
[14:57] <hackal> Deihmos: I think I used wrong term "notebook" in our country notebook = laptop
[14:58] <Deihmos> I have one of those netbooks in one of the closets.
[15:03] <cfhowlett> !hardwarelock
[15:09] <hanhuikin> hanhuikin@hanhuikin-desktop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[15:09] <hanhuikin>  * Restarting web server apache2                                                                                                                        AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
[15:09] <hanhuikin>                            
[15:09] <hanhuikin> what 's the mean
[15:09] <hanhuikin> ?
[15:09] <basiclaser> hey guys, whats a straight forward way of making gifs on ubuntu from video?
[15:09] <basiclaser> i would be willing to use ffmpeg if i could just find the right commands,
[15:11] <somsip> hanhuikin: it means you haven't set the hostname, so it uses 127.0.1.1 as the default
[15:13] <cfhowlett> basiclaser easiest?  openshot
[15:15] <samba35> my  ubuntu server 12.04 on vmware esxi has some problem and i want to repair with reinstall how i should reinstall
[15:15] <cfhowlett> !server|samba35
[15:16] <samba35> ok
[15:17] <HaaPut> basiclaser: convert
[15:18] <cfhowlett> basiclaser http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/19-ffmpeg-commands-for-all-needs
[15:18] <HaaPut> basiclaser: http://superuser.com/questions/556029/how-do-i-convert-a-video-to-gif-using-ffmpeg-with-reasonable-quality
[15:22] <msoos> Hey, i want to create a  PPA source package of an initial release. But "dpkg-buildpackage -j4 -S" tells me: "no upstream tarball found at ../stp_1.0.orig.tar......" Obviously, there is no upstream tarball. How do I do this?
[15:22] <somsip> !packaging | msoos
[15:24] <msoos> somsip: thanks, but it talks through everything with bzr. I can use bzr, but I'd rather not. Also, that intro made me go crazy, it's wrong in a couple of places, seems to direct you to upload a source+binary package, whcih gets auto-rejected by the ubuntu build bot
[15:25] <Janusz> Hello. Is there Ubuntu with Linux Libre kernel?
[15:25] <somsip> msoos: no idea myself. Just knew about those pages with help on them
[15:25] <kostkon> basiclaser, if you prefer the gui, http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/qgifer-converts-video-to-gif-supports.html     http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/easily-create-animated-gif-images-from.html
[15:26] <msoos> somsip: here we go: (from those pages) "bzr builddeb -- -S -us -uc" that builds a binary+source package that will get auto-rejected.
[15:26] <somsip> msoos: I cannot help you with this, so no need to address comments to me
[15:27] <cfhowlett> !flavors|Janusz
[15:27] <subone> Can anyone tell me how I can update the tab complete that comes after "sudo service servicename ". I don't know how it is generated but it seems it generated it by my service's usage output, but is old
[15:28] <Janusz> cfhowlett: But are they with popular kernel or with Linux Libre?
[15:28] <cfhowlett> !kernel|Janusz
[15:30] <OerHeks> Janusz, "popular kernel or with linux libre" ?? please explain?
[15:30] <Janusz> cfhowlett: So, it's not Linux Libre ;( It's sad that distros with L. Libre are not so well produced to install them for a person without bigger IT knowledge.
[15:31] <ewa> Hello, I installed Xubuntu the first time. Everythings fine without the wifi. Neither "rfkill unblock" nor "ifconfig wlan0 up" will work. Support would be great.
[15:31] <Janusz> OerHeks: There is free kernel named Linux Libre used by FSF distros.
[15:33] <OerHeks> Janusz, i see, no, ubuntu does not use that kernel, there used to be a project called gobuntu, but not continued afaik https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu-libre
[15:33] <Janusz> Thank You.
[15:37] <sysop2> ok, I have a wierd ubuntu server issue.  I have a firewire drive,  ubuntu server does not recongize it. so I hooked the drive to kubuntu box, it comes up. hooked it back up the ubuntu server box and hooked a firewire cable between them to test the cable and boom the drive appears on my  kubuntu box as a removable drive.and I was able to mount it, but I  dont see it on the ubuntu server box when I do a fdisk.
[15:39] <sysop2> am I doing something wrong? also can the same drive be mounted on two computers at once?
[15:40] <Janusz> Is F6 Free Software Only option available during Ubuntu installation boot?
[15:42] <darkxploit> m
[15:43] <cfhowlett> Janusz http://ubuntu.windows8az.com/144256-how-do-i-make-ubuntu-use-only-free-software
[15:43] <OerHeks> sysop2, your firewire drive has 2 ports, one to the computer, and one to chain connect to a 2nd drive or device. you cannot hook it up on 2 computers
[15:44] <xangua> Janusz: http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
[15:44] <OerHeks> !rootirc
[15:46] <sysop2> OerHeks, you dont understand. drive is hooked to once comtper via firewire, then another fireware cable goes to my kubuntu box. at that point the firewire drive that is hooked to my server shows up on kubuntu desktop.
[15:46] <sysop2> once=one
[15:47] <sysop2> I am not talking about hooking two cables to the two firewire ports on the drive,.
[15:48] <sysop2> so any ideas?
[15:49] <OnceMe> how can I lower memory clock speed ?
[15:49] <OnceMe> Configured Clock Speed: Unknown
[15:49] <sysop2> why my ubuntu server wont see the drive, not so much on mounting it twice.
[15:53] <darklessness> test
[15:56] <basketball> can i use my webcam as a barcode scanner
[15:57] <bibi234> When executing a shell script, I can do "sh my_script.sh param_1 param_2", but "./my_script.sh param_1 param_2" doesn't work, why? (the script has shebang)
[15:57] <bazhang> basketball, depends on the app, some do have that as a feature
[15:58] <basketballl> bazhang,  on ubuntu what is a app i can use
[15:58] <bazhang> basketballl, let me check. hold on for a minute
[15:58] <basketballl> bazhang,  ok
[15:58] <jj995> with an ec2 instance and "deb http://us-west-2.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty main" in /etc/apt/sources.list, I should be able to install large software without being charged by Amazon for internet downloads, right?
[15:59] <OerHeks> !info zbar
[15:59] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/195191/could-i-use-my-webcam-as-a-barcode-reader basketballl
[16:00] <bazhang> zbar-tools
[16:00] <basketballl> bazhang,  i already read that it was confusing
[16:02] <sysop2> oh well I am taking this drive back, I will just switch to esata or something.
[16:04] <bazhang> explain what your final goal is to the channel basketballl , if someone has a better answer they will hopefully provide it
[16:06] <basketballl> bazhang,  i want to use my laptops webcam to scan a barcode and copy it so i can go to like libre or chrome and press ctrl v and paste it
[16:07] <kert> I followed this http://askubuntu.com/questions/452556/how-to-set-up-nvidia-optimus-bumblebee-in-14-04 to install Bumblebee. But the part about "bumblebee-indicator" .... Do I just add "bumblebee-indicator" in the command box of New Startup Applications? Shouldn't there be a location ?
[16:10] <bento> #brasil
[16:10] <cfhowlett> !brazil|bento
[16:11] <bento> #ubuntu-br
[16:12] <shafox> I am getting this error http://dpaste.com/2CGHG8G  While trying to install one program. Where to set the flag ?
[16:16] <darkxploit> hello.. i got a website running  locally. when i ping www.mywebsite.com the reply is from 10.0.2.15 but when i go to this link on my browser http://10.0.2.15 , it dont lands on the website
[16:16] <OerHeks> shafox, what program ? i think you need an program update, as ubuntu used python 3.4
[16:17] <shafox> OerHeks: https://github.com/limetext/lime/
[16:19] <kostkon> !info qtqt | basketballl, try this
[16:20] <fiatjaf> hello helpful people. after following this[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto] tutorial (and successfully managing to receive emails from the internet using my own domain) I stopped receiving mail with the output of my cron jobs.
[16:20] <kostkon> !info qtqr | basketballl, try this
[16:20] <sliddjur> Hello, when I LOCK ubuntu, it seems to turn off power within a minute... how do I disable or make this higher?
[16:20] <fiatjaf> I didn't set up my mail daemon or whatever it is that was working, I'm talking about an Ubuntu droplet at Digital Ocean and it came with mail set this way.
[16:21] <samin_> hello guys?..
[16:21] <cfhowlett> samin_ ask your ubuntu question
[16:21] <samin_> =]
[16:22] <kostkon> samin_, hi
[16:22] <shafox> OerHeks: http://dpaste.com/00YEXR7 this is the whole output
 hi
[16:22] <basketballl> how do you add a repo to command line
[16:22] <samin_> i've question, why ubuntu 14.04 slow while booting?
[16:23] <samin_> ubuntu 14.04 LTS<<<
[16:23] <cfhowlett> samin_ compared to ???
[16:23] <shafox> OerHeks: http://dpaste.com/00YEXR7 this is the whole output
[16:23] <samin_> compare to elementary OS Luna
[16:24] <fiatjaf> my cron jobs are running, syslog shows them, I see them running with `ps` and the products of their work, and mail.log shows that root@localhost tried to mail me somehow: http://pastie.org/9358771
[16:24] <shafox> sorry for spamming didnt see previous one gone through
[16:24] <cfhowlett> samin_ unity is more demanding.  if your ram is limited, it's noticeable
[16:24] <samin_> owh i see, but i've got 2gb...
[16:24] <OerHeks> shafox, i can't help you there, your source needs 3.3
[16:25] <fiatjaf> darkxploit: are you using nginx?
[16:25] <shafox> OerHeks: Opps thanks .
[16:26] <cfhowlett> samin_ not the floor, but definitely limited.  test xfce or lxde
[16:26] <samin_> owh i see...
[16:26] <basketballl> kostkon,  you on
[16:26] <kostkon> basketballl, :)
[16:27] <cfhowlett> samin_ sudo apt-get install lxde xfce4               then logout.  choose an alternate session and login.
[16:27] <basketballl> kostkon,  i added the repo but it doesnt show up in software centre
 thanks...
[16:27] <sliddjur> trying again .. :), when I LOCK ubuntu, it seems to turn off power within a minute... how do I disable or make this higher?
[16:27] <kostkon> basketballl, it should be already in the repos, you don;t need the ppa. what's the ppa
[16:27] <basketballl> ppa:qr-tools-developers/qr-tools-stable
[16:28] <kostkon> basketballl, ok, do a:  sudo apt-get update
[16:28] <cfhowlett> samin_ happy2help
[16:28] <samin_> can i ask about elementary OS luna here?..if i may
[16:28] <cfhowlett> samin_ nope.  not supported here
[16:28] <hanhuikin> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .htm .html
[16:28] <samin_> ok thanks..
[16:28] <hanhuikin> why this command can't work?
[16:29] <basketballl> kostkon,  how do i add it via command line the repo
 any possible to remove side luncher and replace with dock on ubuntu 14.04?
[16:29] <cfhowlett> samin_ easier to just switch Desktop Environments as I suggested
[16:29] <MasterOfDisaster> basketballl: add-apt-repository (in software-properties-common)
[16:29] <OerHeks> basketballl, check the ppa page first, it has code up to Quantal ... are you on precise/quantal?
[16:30] <basketballl> 14.04
[16:30] <kostkon> basketballl, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:qr-tools-developers/qr-tools-stable
[16:30] <samin_> owh ok...
[16:30] <OerHeks> basketballl, there you go
[16:30] <hanhuikin> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .htm .html              can't work  who can help
[16:31] <kostkon> basketballl, qtqr is already in the 14.04 repos http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/qtqr
[16:31] <kostkon> basketballl, you don't need the ppa
[16:31] <basketballl> kostkon,  now what
[16:31] <kostkon> basketballl, just open the software centre, search for it and install it
[16:32] <basketballl> kostkon,  once it installs what do i do
[16:33] <kostkon> basketballl, open the dash, search for it again and click on its icon
[16:34] <Tigel> Hello. Is it possible to replace popular Kernel with Libre Linux in installed Ubuntu?
[16:36] <cfhowlett> !kernel|Tigel yes but maintaining that system will be completely on you.  expect no support
[16:37] <basketballl> kostkon,  i clicked decode and selected my webcam and it shows my webcam but it doesnt scan card
[16:39] <shiyake> what is this
[16:40] <OerHeks> shiyake, you just read the topic, no?
[16:41] <shiyake> is it not a chat thing?
[16:41] <OerHeks> !ot
[16:42] <Annihilator_> !bot
[16:42] <Annihilator_> !bot
[16:43] <cfhowlett> !ot|shiyake
[16:43] <kostkon> basketballl, hmm, don't know. Try bringing it closer to the camera. Also, make sure that there is plenty of ambient light. Move it around until your camera focuses on it.
[16:44] <Annihilator_> !bot
[16:44] <Annihilator_> !bot
[16:44] <OerHeks> Annihilator_, please stop it
[16:44] <Annihilator_> !bot help
[16:44] <shiyake> this is for solute problems for the newer of ubuntu?
[16:44] <shiyake> @
[16:44] <OerHeks> shiyake, for any supported ubuntu version
[16:45] <shiyake> "!bot?
[16:45] <shiyake> what is that mean?
[16:45] <sunny__> hello
[16:45] <shiyake> "!bot"  ?
[16:45] <frazpo> sliddjur, adjusting the power settings options did not do anything
[16:46] <shiyake> I am not American or English
[16:47] <Tigel> Do You know how to watch www.livestream.com using only free software?
[16:48] <cfhowlett> shiyake ask your ubuntu question.
[16:48] <cfhowlett> Tigel firefox
[16:48] <kostkon> Tigel, the player is flash based. works fine here
[16:49] <shiyake> are you a real man?
[16:49] <Tigel> cfhowlett: But LiveStream ask me about Flash, which is non-free
[16:49] <shiyake> or just a program>
[16:50] <kostkon> shiyake, we are real people. pelase, describe your problem if you have one
[16:50] <cfhowlett> !flash | Tigel
[16:51] <cfhowlett> shiyake ask your support questions or go play in a different channel
[16:51] <Tigel> ubottu: I don't want to install Flash, that's the point
[16:51] <cfhowlett> Tigel read the factoid.  alternatives were suggested
[16:51] <shiyake> ok,
[16:51] <cfhowlett> !gnash
[16:51] <shiyake> I just have no idea what is this
[16:51] <kostkon> Tigel, try the alternatives then http://askubuntu.com/questions/163439/is-there-an-alternative-to-adobe-flash
[16:52] <cfhowlett> shiyake then you are in the wrong place.
[16:52] <shiyake> I am bluehand
[16:52] <bazhang> shiyake, its support for ubuntu. please take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:52] <shiyake> I AM SO SORRY
[16:52] <shiyake> BYE
[16:54] <Tigel> kostkon: I'll take it. Thank You
[16:54] <basketballl> bazhang,  how do i change which webcam to use with z bar
[16:54] <kostkon> Tigel, np
[17:10] <sopeti> hello
[17:10] <sopeti> How can I install 14.04 Lts with LSI Megarid sas controller?
[17:13] <dakotadugger> Hey Need a little help
[17:13] <function9> what's the command to find out what usb devices are connected, and how can I find out which ttyUSBx it is assigned to?
[17:14] <dakotadugger> Just put ubuntu on my computer and I like it enough that I wanna switch from windows but Ive hit a snag , I can't manage to get iTunes to work even with playwithlinux
[17:14] <dakotadugger> PlayOnLinux I mean
[17:16] <TJ-> function9: "lsusb", and also "grep ttyUSB /var/log/kern.log"
[17:16] <basketballl> what is a good inventory manager
[17:16] <basketballl> free
[17:16] <function9> ty
[17:17] <sopeti> How can I install 14.04 Lts with LSI Megarid sas controller?
[17:18] <samin_> usb modem manager to read & send sms?..
[17:19] <k1l_> basketballl: inventory manager? you mean like softwarecenter or apt-get?
[17:19] <basketballl> k1l_,  no to keep track of my inventory
[17:26] <basketballl> Beldar,  do you know of an inventory software
[17:27] <^cheeky> hi, i am stuck in a loop trying to  login into to ubuntu 13.10 , it worked well but i just did an update and it asked me to reboot and now i am in a loop. i tried ctl+alt + F3 and did a chown username:usernam to Xauthority and rebooted but still the problem persists
[17:27] <ouyes> If I partition the hard drive to swap, / , /usr, /home, how much space I should give to / and /usr?
[17:28] <Beldar> ouyes, Why the user partition?
[17:28] <Beldar> usr*
[17:29] <ouyes> Beldar, ah, software, simple for upgrading
[17:29] <shiyake> just let the system part you drive,it works well
[17:29] <Beldar> ouyes, Makes no sense here but carry on, no idea the size.
[17:30] <vicsar> .
[17:30] <tux_1> ^cheeky: did you upgrade t ?o
[17:30] <vicsar> .
[17:30] <tux_1> ^cheeky: 14.04 ?
[17:31] <Beldar> ^cheeky, Be aware 13.10 goes eol towards the end of july.
[17:31] <inc595> every time software updater updates I need to reinstall my nvidia driver... it's getting rather annoying. anyone now how to fix that?
[17:31] <^cheeky> Beldar: no . it was some update .. it prompted me for 13.10 :/ i did not pay attention i was busy setting up a dev env :/
[17:31] <Beldar> inc595, Don't use the proprietary driver
[17:32] <OerHeks> inc595, you installed nvidia manually ?
[17:32] <tux_1> ^cheeky: can you get a shell prompt?
[17:32] <inc595> but then the graphics suck, Beldar
[17:32] <Beldar> inc595, Than do a miracle. ;)
[17:32] <inc595> OerHeks: yes, the nvida run script
[17:32] <OerHeks> inc595, that is why we advise to use the drivers from the driver menu, so it gets updated.
[17:33] <tux_1> what is the bash apt command to upgrade to a new opsys?
[17:33] <inc595> OerHeks: yea i dont get the 3d support from the card :(
[17:34] <Beldar> tux_1, does new opsys mean release?
[17:34] <tux_1> yes
[17:35] <shiyake> is it necessery to update all the updates?
[17:35] <Beldar> tux_1, 3 seconds to find. https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[17:36] <OerHeks> shiyake, no, only if you want to be safe.
[17:36] <tux_1> Beldar: thanks
[17:36] <Beldar> tux_1, You want to use the terms, so do the research, don't just ask for what is easily found. ;)
[17:38] <shiyake> must i update the updates about kennel if i want to be safe?
[17:38] <Beldar> shiyake, Do all updates.
[17:40] <Beldar> shiyake, you can get into trouble but not just installing upgrades as they come in, however you can pin packages if needed.
[17:41] <Beldar> but=by
[17:41] <OerHeks> shiyake, do you ask this about window/apple updates too ?
[17:41] <Beldar> heh
[17:42] <sabbu> hi
[17:42] <inc595> hi
[17:42] <sabbu> write something
[17:43] <Guppp> I'm finding that in firefox all menus (main/autocomplete/context/bookmarks etc..) are not displaying after a system suspend, until the window is re-focused.  This bug report almost perfectly describes the issue in detail, however it was apparently fixed a couple of years ago. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1315348
[17:43] <Guppp> I'm experiencing it on all 4 of my seperate installs of Xubuntu 14.04 - 3 Laptops (2 fresh, 1 upgraded from 13.04) and 1 VirtualBox fresh - all fully updated. Anyone else noticing this or have an info? I can't believe I can't find any recent bug reports..?
[17:44] <Beldar> Guppp, One users report, no answer from launchpad hmm......
[17:45] <Guppp> actually, i think i meant https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/438868
[17:45] <newbie|3> I've about a hundered bmp files that I want to delete from my system ... they are in the same directory.  How do I proceed?  SHRED? GVFS-RM? or some other way?  I'd rather avoid using nautilus and doing a batch delete.
[17:45] <schone> hello
[17:45] <schone> im tyring to add the experimental debian repo to my docker ubuntu image and for some reason even tho i install debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring when I issue the first apt-get update it complains that it cant download the public key ring and therefore cant authenticate the experimental repo, on the other hand if i run it again it works fine
[17:46] <schone> [1:42pm]
[17:46] <schone> why is that?
[17:46] <newbie|3> I have tried delete, but that is a MS-DOS command
[17:46] <Beldar> Guppp, FF 3.5, you have top be more careful with your sources.
[17:46] <Beldar> to*
[17:47] <Beldar> schone, Installing a debian pckg is a bad idea, and not supported here.
[17:47] <schone> i see… so how do i use the debian experimental apt repo?
[17:47] <FunkyELF> trying to get a we application working inside of Ubuntu.  I installed apache and now I'm trying to set up "Ampache".  I just un-tar'd it and put it in /var/www but it doesn't work
[17:48] <Beldar> schone, By using debuan
[17:48] <Beldar> debian
[17:48] <OerHeks> schone, bad idea to use a debian repo, good luck
[17:48] <schone> thx
[17:49] <bhavesh> Er, I installed Gnome Shell by the normal way with sudo apt-get install gnome-shell on Ubuntu 14.04. And then upgraded it to GNOME 3.12 using the post here : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/05/upgrade-gnome-3-12-ubuntu-14-04
[17:49] <Guppp> Beldar, yeah i know its not the right version, and well out of date, but its the exact same symptoms and description of issue
[17:49] <bhavesh> and then uninstalled it completely by the method given there on the same page
[17:49] <Beldar> !ppa | bhavesh
[17:49] <spaceSub> Does ubuntu server come with a bind installed by default or is it just my darn vps provider?
[17:49] <spaceSub> If so: what for?
[17:49] <Beldar> Guppp, Means nothing in your issue.
[17:49] <bhavesh> And then I completely removed GNOME with sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome-shell.
[17:50] <bhavesh> Now I want GNOME 3.10 back, when I try to install it with sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, it says that some packages are not going to be installed because they have unmet dependencies
[17:50] <Beldar> !ppa-purge | bhavesh this is all we support
[17:50] <Guppp> Beldar, it saves me pasting in the description from that page and saying "this is happening"
[17:50] <Beldar> Guppp, It does not help.
[17:51] <schone> what im trying is to get the latets s3cmd… and it seems to only be available in that repo
[17:51] <Guppp> Beldar, yeah if i helped i wouldnt still be stuck ;)
[17:51] <schone> even tho it has no baring on whether its run in debian or ubuntu
[17:51] <Beldar> Guppp, We need exact info links in a as if style are really irritating for helpers and just cloud the issue.
[17:51] <bhavesh> Beldar, I did sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging to uninstall the 3.12 version previously.
[17:52] <bhavesh> as stated on the omgubuntu.co.uk's page
[17:52] <spaceSub> nobody?
[17:52] <bhavesh> but now when I want to install 3.10 again, it says : E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[17:52] <jay__> hey guys. i'm wondering if there is a way to uninstall everything in one section. for example.  i don't want any games installed. is there a way to uninstall all games with one command?
[17:53] <bhavesh> And doing dpkg --get-selections | grep hold gives no results.
[17:53] <Beldar> bhavesh, All you had to do was run the ppa-purge you should of had the ubuntu repos version than.
[17:53] <bhavesh> Beldar, I did, and then I also did apt-get remove --purge later.
[17:54] <Beldar> bhavesh, why?
[17:54] <bhavesh> Beldar, because I thought ppa-purge only converts 3.12 to 3.10, I wanted to completely remove GNOME at that time.
[17:54] <convict> Anyone have any luck getting touchegg to work with chromium? Works for me everywhere else just not firefox or chrome.
[17:55] <Beldar> bhavesh, gnome 3 underlies unity and other desktops, so your goal was not a good one.
[17:55] <bhavesh> Beldar, I mean, the GNOME Shell.
[17:55] <Beldar> bhavesh, the ppa-purge reverts you 3.10
[17:55] <Guppp> Beldar, thats many reports of exactly the same symptoms all consistently reproducible on my installs, but i guess i cant expect everyone to read it all, i did summarize the issue though:
[17:56] <bhavesh> Beldar, yeah. And as I have messed things up, is there any way out?
[17:57] <OerHeks> jay__, no, unfortunately not
[17:57] <Beldar> Guppp, No biggie, you just have to understand the scientific method and reporting issues. In an example If I was writing one of my grad papers and parsed out a sentence to mean what I wanted it to rather than what it meant I would be called on that.
[17:57] <Guppp> I'm finding that in firefox all menus (main/autocomplete/context/bookmarks etc..) are not displaying after a system suspend, until the window is re-focused.  I'm experiencing it on all 4 of my seperate installs of Xubuntu 14.04 - 3 Laptops (2 fresh, 1 upgraded from 13.04) and 1 VirtualBox fresh - all fully updated.
[17:58] <jay__> ok thanks OerHeks. i was just wondering cause it'd be faster. thanks anyways
[17:58] <Beldar> bhavesh, What desktops are installed and what do you want?
[17:58] <bhavesh> Beldar, I currently only have Unity. Now I want GNOME shell.
[17:58] <bhavesh> Beldar, with Unity as it is.
[17:59] <Beldar> bhavesh, how is unity running, I wonder with the purge if you removed gnome 3 packages is all.
[17:59] <OerHeks> Guppo now i understand what you want: it is NO bug, the menu's on top panel is called Global Menu
[17:59] <bhavesh> Beldar, It's running perfectly.
[17:59] <OerHeks> Guppo only focused windows are seen on top panel
[18:00] <Beldar> bhavesh, I would pastebin the gnome shell install from a apt-get run with all errors for the channel to see with the inquiries.
[18:01] <bhavesh> Beldar, http://pastebin.com/yPXVv3Aq
[18:02] <bhavesh> Beldar, And "dpkg --get-selections | grep hold" returns nothing.
[18:02] <Beldar> bhavesh, Try running sudo apt-get -f install than the shell install again.
[18:03] <bhavesh> Beldar, still same
[18:03] <Beldar> bhavesh, This is your problem or a problem "you have held broken packages" fix this if possible.
[18:04] <bhavesh> Beldar, Yeah I am trying to fix that.
[18:04] <Beldar> bhavesh, what do you see when you run sudo apt-get -f install in a pastebin.
[18:05] <bhavesh> Beldar, http://pastebin.com/gqDy65gM
[18:05] <Beldar> bhavesh, Run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:06] <bhavesh> Beldar, Its updating nautilus stuff.
[18:07] <Beldar> bhavesh, Than run a apt-get update and upgrade and make sure no pckgs are held than try the gnome shell again
[18:07] <bhavesh> Beldar, done with dist-upgrade. Still same.
[18:07] <bhavesh> Beldar, alright.
[18:07] <vicsar> .
[18:08] <Beldar> bhavesh, Not sure really myself, you have to be careful in the future to not just run commands, others here may be able to get you back in  shape.
[18:09] <bhavesh> Beldar, Tried apt-get update and upgrade commands. Still the same. Thanks for trying to solve my problem.
[18:10] <Beldar> bhavesh, That still the same statement is to vague as well, state the exact issue every time to keep the air clean.
[18:11] <bhavesh> Beldar, okay.
[18:11] <misternumberone> hi, I'm running 13.10 with uefi boot and I accidently broke my grub
[18:12] <bhavesh> misternumberone, you can reinstall grub with sudo grub-install /dev/sdx where x is the hard drive number on which you have installed Ubuntu.
[18:12] <MasterOfDisaster> misternumberone: start from the livecd, chroot into your installation and reinstall it.
[18:12] <misternumberone> I tried to do that from here http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd and when i type grub-install it says source_dir doesn't exist
[18:17] <Riobe> The instructions for how to install MongoDB on Ubuntu say that they are .deb packages (http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/), but I thought I read here that Ubuntu doesn't support .deb. Can I safely use apt-get to install packages of this type on Ubuntu (14.04)?
[18:17] <Beldar> misternumberone, I would run this app no repair just the bootinfo summary and post the url of it in the thread posted. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[18:18] <misternumberone> root@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/sda
[18:18] <misternumberone> source_dir doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory
[18:19] <Beldar> misternumberone, UEFI does not use the mbr
[18:19] <misternumberone> I realized this but could not find how to fix grub when it is uefi
[18:20] <Beldar> misternumberone, There are people focused on this in that thread, use their expertise.
[18:21] <syntroPi> when i get a password prompt screen (gnome-shell): how am i supposed to know from which program it came from?
[18:21] <OerHeks> Riobe, ubuntu is debian based, so yes
[18:21] <Beldar> misternumberone, Not many here that know this area and uefi in general is all.
[18:22] <syntroPi> i mean every program could initiate a password prompt dialogue and get passwords which arent meant for them!!!
[18:23] <Riobe> OerHeks, Ah, I didn't realize that. Thank you.
[18:23] <OerHeks> Riobe, some examples http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-mongodb-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-server.html
[18:23] <syntroPi> why on earth isnt ensured the proper program name gets displayed with such an dialogue?
[18:23] <SchrodingersScat> syntroPi: if you mean gksudo, it should tell you the program that's requesting it.
[18:23] <syntroPi> no its gnome-shell
[18:23] <OerHeks> syntroPi, most likely the program you are starting/using
[18:23] <syntroPi> well i did not start any program
[18:24] <syntroPi> and most likely is never good enough for passwords
[18:24] <Beldar> syntroPi, Context, context context
[18:25] <Beldar> syntroPi, Details and a context is what is needed here for help.
[18:25] <syntroPi> gnome shell, login, get password prompt right away (no program start) for my gmail account from gnome shell (whichever program is behind that): most likely its evolution checking for new emails, but maybe its not??
[18:26] <Beldar> syntroPi, "gnome shell, login, get password prompt right away " are you wireless?
[18:26] <syntroPi> nope
[18:26] <OerHeks> keyring maybe
[18:27] <Beldar> syntroPi, Hard to say, we have to just guess, never happens here, it is attached to something you have done.
[18:27] <OerHeks> sounds logical, gmail password stored in keyring, but keyring not open on login
[18:27] <syntroPi> well yes probably, but how am i supposed to trust "gnome-shell" with my password for whatever action hides behind that prompt?
[18:27] <OerHeks> keyring password differ from login password?
[18:28] <Beldar> syntroPi, You made this issue, can you trust yourself I would ask.
[18:29] <syntroPi> well i think its really bad to ask for password without explaining what will be done with it... i mean yes its for gmail, but which program asks for this?
[18:30] <Beldar> syntroPi, If you continue to externalize the blame you will just be confused.
[18:30] <Beldar> look in the mirror. ;)
[18:30] <subz3r0> lool
[18:30] <subz3r0> thinking about security issues and using gmail
[18:30] <subz3r0> you made my day!
[18:31] <syntroPi> this is kind of a problem in linux in general: ppl are used to enter their password way too often, so a suspicious program could just ask the user for it. imho this is done better in windows 7 uac where you just get a yes/no question presented (which leaks no secret in suspicious scenarios)...
[18:31] <syntroPi> though id never use w7 on my own box
[18:32] <Beldar> syntroPi, What a garbage statement.
[18:32] <Beldar> thank goodness for the ignore
[18:32] <subz3r0> Beldar: ;)
[18:32] <subz3r0> Beldar: :D
[18:32] <SchrodingersScat> syntroPi: the benefit in linux in general is that you can not enter your password and investigate further if it strikes your interest.
[18:33] <subz3r0> well. since this isnt really ubuntu specific... use the Offtopic channel or go to #linux
[18:34]  * Beldar slips the tinfoil hat remover to the channel
[18:34] <OerHeks> if it is a keyring password asked, it should say so
[18:36] <Mithrildar> I'm trying to update gcc 4.8.2 to 4.8.3 by using sudo apt-get install gcc-4.8, but it doesn't want to update
[18:38] <OerHeks> Mithrildar, no such gcc 4.8.3 , 4.9.0 will be available in the next ubuntu http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcc
[18:38] <Mithrildar> https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.8/ says that there is
[18:39] <OerHeks> Mithrildar, sure, but not in the repos
[18:39] <Mithrildar> Hmmm okay
[18:40] <OerHeks> As 14.04 is LTS, the choise is made to keep the stable packages, and 4.8.3 is released after 14.04 came out
[18:40] <Mithrildar> So gcc 4.8.2 contains a bug which wont allow me to run a program that I need
[18:40] <Mithrildar> Is there some way I can install 4.8.3?
[18:40] <syntroPi> well substract gmail from it my point being: it should just tell you what program it will use the password for (or never ask for it otherwise). in case of superuser unlock it should just present you with yes/no prompt and escalate the perms internally. just my opinion.
[18:41] <Beldar> Mithrildar, None technically supported here.
[18:41] <Mithrildar> Hmmm
[18:42] <Mithrildar> I guess I'll install gcc-4.7 then
[18:42] <Beldar> you are just guessing that 4.8.3 will work as well
[18:42] <Beldar> Mithrildar, If you find one that works in the repos pin it.
[18:42] <Mithrildar> There's a specific bug in std::nth_element causing a seg error which is fixed in 4.8.3
[18:43] <OerHeks> Mithrildar, there is a PPA for 4.8.3, use it on your own risk >>  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty
[18:43] <Beldar> Mithrildar, Or if the one you want works use it, but you have no support ion general here is all. Some may help but understanding the channel norm is important.
[18:44] <Mithrildar> I guess I'll just wait for the official release
[18:44] <Mithrildar> Seems like the bug was introduced in 4.7, so I'll just compile with 4.6
[18:47] <eeee> my mouse doesn't seem to work anymore, any help?
[18:48] <eeee> in settings > mouse, i dont get the options i used to either, (natural scrolling, tap to click etc.) they are gone
[18:49] <Mithrildar> So are you using a mouse or a trackpad?
[18:49] <Riobe> eeee, Does "lsusb" work for you? I hope you don't have what caused my mouse to go dead twice yesterday (that I haven't solved yet) which basically brought down all USB for me.
[18:49] <loa> what archive type i need to use if i need pack many little files and can extract one from it very quick?
[18:50] <loa> many ~ million
[18:50] <eeee> this is a laptop mouse.. the touch pad one
[18:50] <eeee> i mean the one that comes integrated with the laptop
[18:50] <koalpo> exit
[18:50] <cemotyz09> touchpad
[18:50] <holstein> eeee: seems? is it working? or not?.. have you tried to work with the hardware with alive CD? or inthe bios or a supported operating system to be sure the touchpad is not broken?
[18:51] <eeee> holstein: it isn't working at all, i just bootef into windows for a bit, haven't in a while, when i booted into ubuntu mouse is gone
[18:51] <murat> inux
[18:51] <eeee> *booted
[18:51] <holstein> eeee: so, the touchpad works in windows? or no?
[18:52] <eeee> yes it was working, when i booted into ubuntu it suddenly stopped, dunno if it will work in windows if i boot back
[18:52] <eeee> ill be right back
[18:55] <eeee> i just restarted ubuntu, and it's working again
[18:56] <tengopreguntas> can anybody help me see why cgroups is not working for me
[18:56] <tengopreguntas> i think i have done everything right, but still not working, i'd like to know whether it is me or a bug in cgroup-bin or ubuntu
[18:58] <holstein> eeee: so, it worked in the operating system the vendor promised it would work in? or no?
[19:00] <eeee> holstein: it always works in ubuntu, it just suddenly stopped working, so i tried to restart again and it worked (it's the laptop's touchpad)
[19:01] <holstein> eeee: sure, i understand that. .it worked, then suddenly stopped in the unsupported operating system.. does it seem like it works in the officially supported operating system? does it seem intermittent in the vendor supported scenario?
[19:01] <reisio> good question
[19:02] <eeee> holstein: this has never happened before, it works like a charm in ubuntu
[19:02] <Oxid> can anyone help me  on kali linux ?
[19:02] <eeee> holstein: this has never happened before, it works like a charm in ubuntu
[19:02] <eeee> (sorry if it's a double msg, i got d/c)
[19:02] <Beldar> !kali > Oxid
[19:02] <k1l_> Oxid: no, its not even based on ubuntu. please ask the kali support
[19:02] <bekks> Oxid: yeah, the kali support :)
[19:02] <holstein> eeee: you stated it stopped working in ubuntu? corrrect? thats why we are discussing it.. thats *not* like a charm
[19:02] <bekks> !kali | Oxid
[19:02] <holstein> eeee: is that the case? did the touchpad stopworking in ubuntu?
[19:03] <eeee> holstein: yes, i booted and at lightdm the mouse wouldn't move at all, then it disappeared.
[19:03] <Oxid> and how can i find a kali chennel ?
[19:04] <reisio> Oxid: /msg alis list *kali*
[19:04] <eeee> !alis > Oxid
[19:04] <Beldar> Oxid, read the bot
[19:04] <holstein> eeee: if you find that its working now, and would like to just let this go, thats fine with me.. but, what im askig is, does the touchpad seem to do that same breakage in windows? if you can answer that question, you can better troubleshoot if this is a software or hardware breakage.. if the hardware is bad, you cant "fix" it in ubuntu
[19:06] <manaar333> #ubuntu-fr
[19:07] <eeeeee> holstein: sorry, i got d/c, my last msg was !alis
[19:10] <hujuwami> hello, I'm trying to run a program in 14.04, and I get this error message. error while loading shared libraries: libgnomeprint-2-2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:11] <hujuwami> seems like libgnomeprint is not available for 14.04 -- how could i get it anyway?
[19:12] <Jafura> Hello
[19:13] <rewsky> Hi, I recently had some software upgrades that messed up grub so it doesn't boot anymore, I have an encrypted boot partition what would be the easiest way to fix this?
[19:13] <Jafura> I need the list of all the characters supported by a specific font. Is there a tool to get that list as a plain text file?
[19:14] <rewsky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753407/
[19:16] <reisio> Jafura: might check xlsfonts, or something from fontforge
[19:16] <reisio> Jafura: or maybe a loop with imagemagick would make it obvious
[19:17] <Shadow}}> Hello; Anyone know if theres a Bitcomet for Xubuntu I can just use apt-get on? Not savvy on here.
[19:19] <daftykins> Shadow}}: "sudo apt-get update && apt-cache search bitcomet"
[19:19] <Beldar> rewsky, That is a mess, sdb has gpt remnants at best, mixed with a non efi install, and lvm. You backed up?
[19:19] <Shadow}}> daftykins: That typically work on most things also? And thank you.
[19:19] <reisio> Shadow}}: try deluge instead
[19:19] <Jafura> reisio, I’m looking at the description of xlsfonts in the software center.
[19:20] <daftykins> Shadow}}: the second portion of that command simply searches for packages with the string supplied, e.g. "apt-cache search <thing to search for>"
[19:20] <Shadow}}> Well. Thing is. I can't seem to NOT download the files of torrents I don't want using Transmission. Bitcomet well.. I get higher speeds on.
[19:20] <Jafura> That’s in the x11-utils.
[19:20] <Shadow}}> daftykins: Ah, Thought so. Good to be told though.
[19:20] <rewsky> Beldar: haven't backed up, but its a damn near fresh install, changed my centos 6 hypervisor into an ubuntu desktop cause i needed a desktop
[19:21] <rewsky> some of those drives can be ignored I am only worried about fixing sda, particularly sda5
[19:21] <reisio> Jafura: alternatively: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22linux%22%20list%20all%20chars%20of%20a%20font&gws_rd=ssl
[19:21] <rewsky> but to reinstall grub of course and the mbr pointing to my /boot which is encrypted I need to first encrypted and mount the file system
[19:22] <Shadow}}> daftykins: So the first part is updating the database for the cache?
[19:22] <rewsky> I was wondering if there was a more automate or quicker way of doing this
[19:22] <daftykins> Shadow}}: yes
[19:22] <Oxid> what is this mean?       * #debian :Cannot send to channel
[19:22] <Beldar> rewsky, I want to fly by waving my arms, no gonna happen though. ;)
[19:23] <Beldar> not*
[19:23] <holstein> !freenode
[19:23] <reisio> Oxid: you might have to register & identify, /msg nickserv help register
[19:23] <holstein> !register
[19:23] <reisio> Oxid: /msg nickserv help identify, etc.
[19:23] <rewsky> beldar: well i was thinking there is a short cut using the ubuntu installer
[19:24] <Shadow}}> Hmm... Doesn't appear to be one. Deluge,eh? It allows selection of pre-downloaded files?
[19:24] <rewsky> is that true?
[19:24] <MuffinMedic> what's the best way to set it up so i can relay a connection from my computer through my server, VPN?
[19:24] <holstein> !vpn
[19:25] <MuffinMedic> i take that as a yes
[19:25] <holstein> MuffinMedic: "best" is always a matter of opinion and use case.. what are you trying to do?
[19:25] <holstein> you can connect through many servers to "relay".. but whats the goal?
[19:26] <MuffinMedic> holstein: i have a Windows machine running a few services i need to connect to remotely, but the network i am on i can't configure for port forwarding and they have a somewhat restrictive firewall
[19:26] <MuffinMedic> i have a VPS, so i was hoping i can connect to my windows machine through that and bypass the firewall
[19:26] <rewsky> some more info for anyone who has expertise in this area - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7753573/
[19:26] <holstein> MuffinMedic: you are trying to get around a corporate firewall?
[19:27] <MuffinMedic> holstein: not corporate, but yea, i gotta connect to a machine on the network
[19:27] <reisio> best to know how to get at your encrypted data before you settle on using encryption
[19:27] <reisio> ffr
[19:28] <holstein> MuffinMedic: i would consult windows support for how to connect to a VPN
[19:28] <MuffinMedic> so it's a VPN i need?
[19:29] <holstein> MuffinMedic: a VPN does what it does.. if you have blocking at your ISP level, this may or may not "help"..
[19:29] <rgenito> is there a chinese ubuntu ?
[19:29] <rgenito> i mean, chinese channel for ubuntu? :)
[19:29] <OerHeks> !cn
[19:29] <rgenito> pinyin input (by default) is WAYYYY different :(
[19:30] <rgenito> thanks OerHeks !
[19:30] <OerHeks> kylin is the chines version, optimised with calender, fonts and such
[19:37] <Lyte101> hey i'm on 12.04 but recently my monitor will not turn off after the 10 minutes, it is set for
[19:38] <zaitzev> Does anyone else experience a sluggish, slow and downright crappy performance by Google Chrome these days? My entire system hangs up because of what I assume is Google Chrome being a resource hog
[19:38] <reisio> zaitzev: chrome, or chromium?
[19:38] <zaitzev> chrome
[19:39] <reisio> try chromium
[19:39] <reisio> it's less awful
[19:39] <zaitzev> does it sync like chrome does?
[19:39] <zaitzev> bookmarks and the like
[19:39] <reisio> if it doesn't out of the box, you can get an extension
[19:39] <OerHeks> zaitzev, its only you, works fine here
[19:41] <zaitzev> OerHeks: yeah it works fine for the most part, but randomly it just halts the system down so much I am forced to hard reset. Although it might not be Chrome that is at fault, but I can't figure out what it is
[19:41] <eeee> i've not even felt the need to change firefox, although i sometimes think if i can make a script to run firefox at startup and close it start away, it takes considerably longer to load the first time
[19:41] <OerHeks> zaitzev, any plugins ?
[19:42] <eeee> *straight
[19:42] <zaitzev> plugins or extensions? the plugins are out of the box (no java tho), and extensions are quite a few, but this hasn't been a problem up until the past few days.
[19:43] <hujuwami> I've just made a post on the forums asking for help-- does anyone here have any ideas? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2233123&p=13066839#post13066839
[19:43] <reisio> hujuwami: you could retype your issue in a short IRC message
[19:44] <reisio> instead of thinking people on IRC like trawling fora :)
[19:45] <hujuwami> reisio: sure -- its a bit of a story: tyring to run program xstata, it has a dependency libgnomeprintm which is not normally available for 14.04. i go to install that from http://archive.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs-museum/5.0/BLFS-5.0/gnome/libgnomeprint.html but ./configure gives an error message that i don't understand
[19:45] <OerHeks> hujuwami, libgnomeprint is removed in trusty
[19:45] <bekks> Whats the correct channel for asking questions about preseeding ubuntu?
[19:46] <hujuwami> OerHeks: ya that's why i was trying to install it from source. is there any way to get around this issue, because the program xstata has a libgnomeprint dependency
[19:46] <eeee> hujuwami: download g++
[19:46] <Buzzer> hujuwami: do you have build-essential installed?
[19:46] <reisio> bekks: preseeding?
[19:46] <eeee> configure:4011: g++ -c   conftest.cc >&5
[19:46] <eeee> ./configure: line 4012: g++: command not found
[19:46] <eeee> configure:4014: $? = 127
[19:46] <eeee> configure: failed program was:
[19:46] <eeee> | #line 3993 "configure"
[19:47] <eeee> (sorry for the paste)
[19:47] <unopaste> eeee you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[19:47] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/libgnomeprint/2.18.8-3ubuntu1
[19:47] <bekks> reisio: Yeah, preseeding using preseed configuration files :)
[19:47] <subz3r0> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[19:48] <reisio> bekks: what's wrong with rsync
[19:48] <bekks> reisio: rsync doesnt help me with writing preseed files :)
[19:49] <reisio> writing preseed files is kind of silly if you can use rsync
[19:49] <reisio> or cp
[19:49] <eeee> hujuwami: run sudo apt-get install g++
[19:49] <bekks> reisio: preseeding allows you to automagically configure partitions, users, etc. - something rsync cant do.
[19:49] <saleem> hi, synaptic does not launch for me and when i run it from shell i see this log http://pastie.org/9361615   , how to fix it ? any suggestions please
[19:50] <reisio> bekks: rsync && useradd
[19:50] <bekks> reisio: So how do you use rsync to partition a harddisk?
[19:51] <reisio> bekks: rsync partition.sh
[19:51] <saleem> i need help here looked on google but found no clue
[19:51] <bekks> reisio: that transfers a file. Thats not what I want to accomplish. Thanks, but thanks.
[19:52] <Oxnard_Dogg> trying to install ubuntu(guest) into VirtualBOX (WIN 8 Host) the COnnected to INternet is X ed out.even tho i'M ONLINE
[19:52] <reisio> semantics
[19:52] <reisio> Oxnard_Dogg: is it set to nat in the prefs?
[19:52] <reisio> (the vbox prefs)
[19:52] <Beldar> saleem, Looks like a theme issue, have you messed with themes?
[19:53] <Oxnard_Dogg> don't even know resiso
[19:53] <reisio> Oxnard_Dogg: know
[19:53] <Oxnard_Dogg> I'll try
[19:53] <OerHeks> saleem, try " gksudo synaptic " never sudo for a gui-programm
[19:53] <saleem> Beldar, not really in that sense just removed KDE and installed openbox
[19:54] <Oxnard_Dogg> how about a hint,,,where isw NAT in prefs
[19:54] <reisio> Oxnard_Dogg: there's a checkbox for enabling/disabling the virtual network device
[19:54] <reisio> Oxnard_Dogg: under 'network'
[19:54] <reisio> it should be checked, and set to nat, but perhaps your config is b0rked
[19:54] <Beldar> saleem, Ah well synaptic would have issues in open box probably, removed kde how?
[19:54] <eeee> Oxnard_Dogg: it is in the settings > network
[19:54] <Oxnard_Dogg> after I creaste a new machine?
[19:54] <reisio> Oxnard_Dogg: right click, settings
[19:55] <saleem> Beldar, removed everything that had kde through synaptic , this might be a cruel method to do so but thats how i did it
[19:55] <Beldar> saleem, The error is explicit on what is missing, the kde remove must hve removed these.
[19:56] <OerHeks> saleem try reinstall your current desktop
[19:56] <Oxnard_Dogg> Yeah attached to NAT
[19:56] <reisio> Oxnard_Dogg: checkbox?
[19:56] <eeee> Oxnard_Dogg: in the ubuntu install, top right corner, are there two vertical arrows in opposite directions?
[19:56] <eeee> (is the wired connection active)
[19:57] <saleem> ok OerHeks i will try that
[19:57] <Oxnard_Dogg> eeee I'll tell u in a minute,,thanks
[19:59] <hujuwami> oerheks should i use the install from your launchpad link instead of the one i pasted from lfs? i just tried using yours, and its ./config gave some errors too:
[19:59] <Beldar> saleem, You would use gksudo on graphics from the terminal.
[19:59] <eeee> hujuwami: install g++, i think that's the problem the ./configure can't find it there
[19:59] <OerHeks> hujuwami, i can't help you there, that package is obsolete
[20:00] <saleem> Beldar, right i will keep this point in mind next time
[20:00] <hujuwami> eeee: ya i did, and got new errors:
[20:02] <hujuwami> this is from the package version from lfs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757123/
[20:02] <anonymous_26> that is ready to blow up the system?
[20:03] <hujuwami> and this is from oerheks launchpad version http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757127/
[20:03] <Beldar> anonymous_26, You on the right channel or have a destination for that post?
[20:04] <hujuwami> buzzer, ya i have build-essential installed
[20:06] <basketball> how can i set up vnc
[20:07] <holstein> !vnc
[20:07] <holstein> basketball: i use the repo packages.. theres many options..
[20:07] <reisio> if you don't need it securely, it's a wee bit simpler
[20:08] <basketball> holstein,  i have a wifi barcode app on phone and it needs me to set up vnc on computer
[20:08] <reisio> wut...
[20:09] <reisio> that makes so little sense
[20:10] <basketball> holstein,  what do i do
[20:10] <holstein> basketball: yeah.. you'll have to elaborate, or ask whomever is providing that app in your phone marketplace..
[20:11] <basketball> the app can scan barcodes to computer
[20:11] <basketball> it needs vnc ip address vnc port vnc password
[20:11] <eeee> how can i check how many threads a program has in ubuntu?
[20:12] <bekks> basketball: you canat transfer data to the vnc server besides mouseclicks and keyboard hits - so whatever that app is doing, it is doing it wrong.
[20:12] <Cx405> hello! Do you know any gui application that can set various limits on other programs, such as CPU or memory. Thanks!
[20:12] <holstein> basketball: it?
[20:12] <eeee> Cx405: i know cpulimit, it's lovely, but it runs in the terminal
[20:12] <metalgod> eeee: pstree
[20:13] <Cx405> eeee: cpu limit can save and enforce policies?
[20:13] <basketball> holstein,  i just installed x11vnc and openssh-server  now what
[20:13] <reisio> basketball: sounds awful/weird
[20:13] <holstein> basketball: you dont need ssh for vnc
[20:13] <reisio> or vnc for photos/barcode reading
[20:14] <holstein> basketball: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[20:14] <Lyte101> any know how to get the display to turn off after 10 minutes? It is not working through settings
[20:14] <eeee> Cx405: i dont know if it would work well enforcing policies on others.. but if you give it a program name or the pid and set the limit it will limit it
[20:14] <eeee> (it also takes the number of cpu's too)
[20:15] <eeee> metalgod: thanks
[20:15] <Cx405> eeee: thanks
[20:16] <Cx405> still searching for a good resource limiting (mem, cpu) application that has gui and policies :)
[20:16] <reisio> 'good' and 'gui' are usually mutually exclusive
[20:17] <Beldar> Lyte101, What ubuntu release and desktop, and what settings have you tried?
[20:17] <Cx405> reisio: approximations are usually approximations, but are ALWAYS offtopic :P
[20:17] <reisio> Cx405: :)
[20:18] <Lyte101> Beldar, using desktop 12.04...I've only ever used to set was through "All settings" > "Brightness and lock"
[20:18] <Cx405> can someone recommend me good sources that teach how to start writing gui applications? I know of Guile and Lazarus. What are other possibilities? Python and Cxx are prefered. Thanks!
[20:19] <reisio> I'd ask #python about Python
[20:19] <mbalmer> I suggest C and Motif.
[20:19] <reisio> heh
[20:20] <Cx405> reisio: what I mean is - how to quickly write gui apps IF one knows python. Basically, if you'd write a gui app (non-opengl) in RAD way, what would you use.
[20:20] <Beldar> Lyte101, 12.04 has a problem in this area, I was never able to get it to work in controlling this area myself, but is just me. I tried configs and a other methods.
[20:21] <Cx405> I did gui only in Java+swing on Solaris machines.
[20:21] <mbalmer> try wxPython
[20:21] <Cx405> well, delphi too, but it was long ago and now there is lazarus
[20:21] <Cx405> mbalmer: thanks, noted
[20:22] <Lyte101> Beldar, alright maybe I'll just deal with for now thought it might be something easy
[20:22] <mbalmer> reisio, btw, I was halfway serious, though I would use Lua...
[20:22] <Lyte101> Beldar, I'll just get the 14.04 upgrade since that is about to release
[20:22] <reisio> :p
[20:23] <Cx405> mbalmer: why would you prefer lua over python? I know lua is just for quick scripting.
[20:23] <mbalmer> http://www.vnode.ch/lua_gui
[20:23] <reisio> shhh
[20:23] <mbalmer> Pythn, Lua, both are good languages.  Depends a bit ont the use, imo.
[20:24] <reisio> yup
[20:24] <reisio> but motif :p
[20:24] <Cx405> .. and there is Goo, Ruby etc. We have a wagon of good languages :)
[20:24] <reisio> Goo, or Go? :p
[20:25] <mbalmer> reisio,  Motif or GTK+, not so much difference, actually.
[20:25] <Cx405> go, sorry
[20:26] <mbalmer> I use Motif, GTK, Qt, all are nice, somehow.
[20:26] <Cx405> mbalmer: is GTK dying?.. I hope they let lose of GNOME binding, this is insane.
[20:26] <reisio> :/
[20:26] <reisio> no, the primary GUI toolkit of Unix is not dying
[20:26] <reisio> :p
[20:26] <Cx405> reisio: it is primary toolkit for GNOME, not for Linux
[20:27] <reisio> GNOME uses it
[20:27] <reisio> it's the most popular for Unix in general
[20:27] <Cx405> reisio: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
[20:28] <mbalmer> reisio, I do embedded stuff with touchscreens, so if I use Motif, noone will notice.  It is not software that is used in a desktop environment.
[20:28] <reisio> I'm talking about GTK+
[20:28] <Cx405> reisio: yes
[20:28] <reisio> mbalmer: they will assume they're stuck with the awful GUI the device came with, yup
[20:28] <reisio> Cx405: so a blog post about GNOME doesn't interest me much :p
[20:28] <reisio> probably wouldn't even if I were talking about GNOME
[20:29] <Cx405> reisio: they break theming, functions, icons, design, everything in GTK - main thing it works in GNOME
[20:29] <mbalmer> no, they like windows 8 tile style, actually....
[20:29] <Cx405> reisio: ofc it interests you, go make a peek. Its about GTK primary
[20:29] <reisio> nah
[20:29] <mbalmer> of course you need to set X resources....
[20:29] <reisio> I don't worry about open source things
[20:30] <reisio> if there's a real need for change, projects are forked
[20:30] <Cx405> After long research I made this points: Qt is following corresponding style on individual platform it runs. GTK follows GNOME style on ALL platforms it runs.
[20:31] <reisio> nobody forces a person to use gtk3
[20:31] <Cx405> there is also one huge video conference, how to migrate from gtk to qt and how its much less painfull.
[20:31] <Riobe> My mouse has died again, and if pattern holds true if I keep going long enough my keyboard (both usb) will too. I have the output of my dmesg for up to when it happened here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757211/ and my lsusb results here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757218/ Is there anything that might cause usb to start failing after hours of use?
[20:31] <Cx405> reisio: to clear things up - I always prefered GTK over Qt. Its recent news that make me shake head :/
[20:32] <mbalmer> I am pulling out... cu....
[20:32] <reisio> a lot of awful things are less painful :p
[20:32] <Riobe> Thank goodness for <command> | pastebinit | xclip -selection clipboard so I don't need a mouse to do any of that pastebin'ing.
[20:32] <Cx405> mbalmer:bb
[20:32] <reisio> meanwhile GTK+2 is still there
[20:32] <Cx405> reisio: you bet. I am on MATE....
[20:33] <reisio> I'm pretty happy with just Xlib really :p
[20:33] <mbalmer> add Xm and be really happy ;P
[20:34] <Cx405> so... what do you use to code for Xlib?
[20:34] <Riobe> I have now had my USB devices, starting with my mouse (only have a usb mouse and keyboard plugged in) fail 3 times since moving to Ubuntu 14.04. I have the kubuntu-destop package installed if that matters. My uname -a results are "Linux Riobe 3.13.0-30-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 4 21:40:53 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux" Not sure if there's even anything else relevant. I have no idea how to troublehsoot this.
[20:34] <reisio> dem text editors
[20:34] <Cx405> reisio: awesome man, now I just need to move over to basement and loose my family, and I am all set for coding...
[20:35] <reisio> YES
[20:39] <eeee> Riobe: maybe check /var/log/syslog ?
[20:40] <Cx405> question - how to save dash filters permanently. Mainly I want to disable ads and offers, because I am not interested in this really.
[20:40] <Riobe> Nothing I can see useful there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757294/
[20:41] <Riobe> eeee, Thanks for the suggestion
[20:41] <Riobe> I'm also really green when it comes to Linux overall though.
[20:41] <eeee> Cx405: settings > security and privacy
[20:42] <eeee> Riobe: try cat /var/log/syslog | grep usb
[20:44] <TJ-> Riobe: clues (if any) are more likely to be found in "/var/log/kern.log"
[20:45] <Riobe> eeee, Is there a way to "cat /something/ | tail -#" I can't scroll up to see how big this output would be if I were to try to pastebin it. I don't see anything with the word error anywhere near the end. I do see lines talking about my keyboard.
[20:45] <Riobe> TJ-, Thanks, I'll check that now.
[20:45] <mbalmer> mbalmer what the hack
[20:45] <eeee> Riobe: you can you less instead of tail
[20:46] <eeee> Riobe: you can scroll up and down with it, q to quit
[20:47] <eeee> Riobe: i noticed from the syslog that when i booted before, it didn't pick up the touchpad, it only displayed picking it up the second time i booted
[20:47] <Riobe> eeee, That's really useful, thanks.
[20:47] <eeee> why it didn't pick it up though i have no idea
[20:48] <Riobe> In my syslog I can see where it found my mouse and said "input: Razer Razer Mamba as /devices......."
[20:48] <Riobe> In kern.log... it looks about the same
[20:48] <Riobe> I'm not sure what the difference between those files are.
[20:50] <Riobe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757317/ <- The result of "cat /var/log/kern.log | grep usb | pastebinit | xclip -selection clipboard"
[20:50] <TJ-> Riobe: kern.log only contains kernel messages; syslog contains messages from all manner of system daemons and processes
[20:50] <Riobe> TJ-, Ah, thanks for the clarification. You guys in this channel have been amazing in making the transition to Linux.
[20:50] <TJ-> Riobe: We need to see an extract, not just the grep, but those messages already show a device failure
[20:51] <Riobe> TJ-, An extract?
[20:51] <eeee> he means messages before and after the error's i think
[20:52] <Riobe> Wow, I can't find the part that shows the failure. Shows me that I have no idea how to read this.
[20:52] <TJ-> Riobe: Those extracts are part of a stacktrace when the kernel fails badly; we need to see the entire set of message around those occurences
[20:52] <Riobe> Oh
[20:54] <eeee> Riobe: i dont know if this is the proper way to go about this, but grep -A 10 usb, would display 10 lines after every usb occurance, i think
[20:55] <Riobe> TJ-, eeee, I learned -C 10 yesterday which does before and after, here is a pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757330/
[20:56] <Riobe> That is....a smidgen hard to read.
[20:56] <Riobe> Huh...found a line that said "usbcore: deregistering interface driver usbmouse"
[20:57] <Riobe> That sounds pretty relevant.
[20:57] <kostkon> Riobe, does the mouse work if you unplug it and plug it back in
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> Riobe: try a different usb port, preferably not usb3
[20:58] <Riobe> kostkon, No, it'll just stop lighting up. I get no input response from it now, if I unplug it and replug it in it'll just stay dead.
[20:58] <TJ-> Riobe: Have you recently changed anything on the USB side, like adding/removing a hub, adding/removing external power, connecting USB devices to different ports on hubs on the PC itself?
[20:58] <Riobe> ActionParsnip, It was plugged into a usb port on my keyboard that was forwarded to my pc. I'll plug it into the PC directly then and see if that helps.
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> Riobe: id bet it does
[21:00] <Riobe> TJ-, No, but I get this problem after some amount of hours (I haven't been able to pin a pattern yet) of use and I've only been using Ubuntu since yesterday and have been getting this.
[21:00] <Riobe> ActionParsnip, Well, it won't activate by putting it into another port, but maybe if I restart and run that way from boot I might avoid whatever crashed it in the first place?
[21:03] <ggia> !list
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> Riobe: not sure. What is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:05] <Riobe> ActionParsnip, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> Riobe: try a reboot. You may benefit from setting the usb to legacy mode in bios
[21:06] <Riobe> ActionParsnip, As long as it still functions, it's worth a try. :) Thanks for the help.
[21:11] <Beldar> rewsky, I would look up booting grub manually, if you get to the desktop you can fix from there easier.
[21:13] <Riobe> Here's hoping. Thank you for all the help you guys.
[21:15] <Beldar> rewsky, Supergrub may work, just not sure with your setup. http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ You just have a bit of a hackneyed install with inherent issues like the gpt remnants in sdb's partition table, a centos reference....etc.
[21:17] <Almindor> what package is needed to use QBluetooth in ubuntu latest?
[21:17] <Almindor> from qt5
[21:20] <Blocker> Hi all, on advice from here, I attempted to upgrade from Natty to Precise with a modified sources.list and the command "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" but it eventually came up with an error code (1). Is it safe to re-issue the "sudu" command again or should I do something else first?
[21:23] <k1l_> Blocker: there is no straight upgrade from natty to precise
[21:24] <k1l_> Blocker: and on ubuntu you dont edit the sources.list and run dist-upgrade. you use the do-release-upgrade command for that
[21:24] <Guest2674> ciao
[21:24] <Guest2674> !list
[21:25] <k1l_> !eolupgrade | Blocker
[21:25] <presonic> just installed samba, uncommented [homes] section and gave the smbd/nmbd service a restart, tried to login from a different machines via \\ip\username but doesn't work.  is it a 'domain' problem?
[21:26] <Beldar> Blocker, YOu might considering a backup of what you want and a 14.04 fresh install, a longterm like 12.04.
[21:28] <Blocker> k1l_: As a noob I only followed the advice given here. When I attempted to use the Update Manager to update (before coming here), it wasn't able to carry out the task, which I why I came here searching for help.
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> presonic: did you run: sudo smbpasswd -a $USER
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> presonic: you can then set the password to use for your Ubuntu username.
[21:30] <Blocker> Beldar: I backed up my "Home Folder" before doing anything else.
[21:33] <snufft> hi guys
[21:33] <Beldar> Blocker, Natty to 12.04 0r 14.04 is a big jump, I would just expect the backed up media music. docs...etc to be your use, .configs probably okay and .local. Really your in a space a little research would have avoided is all.
[21:33] <snufft> will a sudo apt-get remove [package] and sudo apt-get install [package] completely remove and reinstall a package? or is there a change there could be other files like config files etc, hanging around?
[21:34] <snufft> chance**
[21:34] <Beldar> snufft, a purge would remove configs generally and the whole app
[21:34] <snufft> Beldar, great! thanks :)
[21:35] <Beldar> snufft, careful in this however look at what kis being removed at all times.
[21:37] <snufft> Beldar, no worries :) I'm just trying to reinstall GD and LibJPEG. having some problems with image generation in drupal, which has lead me to here: http://forums.mddhosting.com/topic/520-image-handling-broken-in-drupal-7-running-php-53/ i'm assuming MikeDVB was referring to building the extensions from source, but thought an r'n'r might help :) hasn't so far :P
[21:37] <tds5016> hi all. I spun up a vm running Ubuntu and I don't seem to be able to get sound out of the system. Can someone help me figure out the issue with sound?
[21:37] <tds5016> vm running ubunutu with vagrant*
[21:41] <TLF> are there problems to get HW accel in Firefox with open source X11 radeon driver? Thanks
[21:41] <Blocker> Beldar: The research that I did also pointed to the same process that was advised here. Sadly it was was incorrect.
[21:44] <one_> Can you speak persian?
[21:46] <DrDeeps> can't get flash to install on Ubuntu MATE 64 bit. Can't find it in the repos
[21:47] <one_> DrDeeps:What version ubuntu using?
[21:47] <DrDeeps> 14.04
[21:47] <one_> you mine flash player?
[21:47] <DrDeeps> yep
[21:48] <one_> on software center
[21:49] <one_> DrDeeps : Ok?
[21:50] <DrDeeps> got it. annoying that nowhere online has updated info on it being in there
[21:50] <eeee> DrDeeps: have you added the restricted-extras repo ? and did you apt-get update?
[21:50] <Beldar> snufft, This ubuntu or drupal?
[21:51] <DrDeeps> Yup
[21:52] <snufft> Beldar, do you mean is the problem ubuntu or drupal?
[21:52] <Beldar> snufft, The OS you are running?
[21:52] <snufft> Beldar, oh, i'm running ubuntu 13.10 :)
[21:53] <one_> Software center Installation on you?
[21:54] <Beldar> snufft, Ah, I would not add out of distro repos and packages just a bad way to go, and most likely not needed in the end.
[21:55] <snufft> Beldar, yeah, i'm thinking the same thing. i'm pretty much convinced it's my version of php now. the prod server is running 5.3 and i'm running 5.5.something. might spin up a virtualbox at some stage with an older version and see how that goes :)
[21:55] <snufft> Beldar, thank you for your help though :)
[21:55] <snufft> Beldar++
[21:57] <Shell32_> -bash: add-apt-repository: command not found
[21:57] <Shell32_> halp
[21:59] <one_> sudo add-apt-repositorydo apt-get update
[21:59] <one_> sudo
[21:59] <one_> sudo add-apt-repositorydo
[22:00] <one_> no its my typing false
[22:09] <Riobe> So trying to troubleshoot my USB woes, I've seen multiple recommend temp disabling some ehci_hcd module. Both "sudo rmmod ehci_hcd" and "sudo modprobe -r ehci_hcd" return errors because that modules is builtin. Is there a way to disable it anyway like these suggestions are going for, or would that be unwise of me?
[22:11] <Riobe> I'm down to some error: "hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3" and another error before it about the device not accepting address. Neither of which I know how to fix.
[22:12] <daftykins> Riobe: is this a desktop? you've disconnected everything to narrow down which device it is i take it?
[22:12] <Riobe> daftykins, It's a desktop and the only USB devices plugged in are my keyboard and mouse.
[22:12] <Riobe> Other ones are dangling for now.
[22:13] <daftykins> Riobe: do messages go if the kb+mouse are out?
[22:14] <Riobe> Actually I seem to be generating call traces everytime I put the mouse into a different port.
[22:14] <Riobe> daftykins, I don't think it's making any consistent messages anymore about usb. Only makes new messages when I unplug or plug one of them.
[22:14] <EpicRainbow> I need some help. I dual booted Ubuntu and everything seems to work so far but whenever I close the lid to put the computer to sleep, when I wake it up Ubuntu is frozen. I can move the mouse but can't type my password
[22:16] <Riobe> This is the result of tail -1000 /var/log/kern.log | grep -C 15 usb | pastebinit | xclip -selection clipboard http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757608/
[22:18] <EpicRainbow> Riobe, are you talking to me?
[22:19] <Riobe> EpicRainbow, Nope. I'd love to help you but I have no idea how to.
[22:19] <EpicRainbow> Riobe, Oh, ok
[22:20] <Riobe> Is there a way to check my kernel version?
[22:21] <eeee> Riobe: which version it is?
[22:21] <eeee> uname -r
[22:22] <Riobe> Perfect. This is pretty much my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474287&page=2 and the guy that solved it for himself mentioned kernel version. Thanks eeee
[22:25] <Riobe> Going to try GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="noapic nolapic" and hope I don't wrek my stuff. lol
[22:25] <Riobe> Worked for one guy....
[22:25] <remuxa> can anyone help me configure sound on a minimal system?
[22:26] <remuxa> i have alsa and pulseaudio installed, and /proc/asound/cards has my sound card
[22:26] <remuxa> but alsactl init says that it doesn't find any (despite it being the first card on my motherboard)
[22:27] <remuxa> (my soundcard is creative soundblaster 16)
[22:28]  * remuxa is wondering if anyone's there that can help him
[22:33] <remuxa> never mind...i hate alsa
[22:36] <Veleno87> qualcuno in linea ?
[22:36] <Veleno87> Italian or Englsh   ?
[22:36] <|flyte|> ...quick..best graphical svn client for ubuntu........ GO!
[22:36] <Veleno87> fuck u people
[22:37] <rkokkelk> rapidsvn, but have to say long time when I last used it
[22:41] <MansaMunsa> hi there
[22:42] <Caroga> lol at Veleno87
[22:43] <Caroga> comes in, asks question, didnt get answer within seconds, flames, and leaves. And that's how the internet works
[22:44] <bekks> Caroga: We are talking about 9s actually :)
[22:45] <Caroga> true bekks true
[22:46] <Caroga> imho, too long anyway, we should be able to answer any question prior to anyone ever asking them
[22:47] <SM8> "dude we answered that a month ago just read the irc logs"
[22:49] <Caroga> lol
[22:50] <Caroga> im out, time to sleep
[22:50] <Caroga> nn
[22:58] <RasAlGhul> bazhango
[22:58] <mester890> Hey! Anyone that has any knownledge for SET here?
[22:58] <mester890> Hey! Anyone that has any knownledge for SET here?
[22:59] <xangua> !ask | mester890
[22:59] <dako3256> !patience
[23:00] <mester890> sry, I just sent the msg again because someone else joined, not to repeat myself for the ones already in the channel....
[23:01] <mester890> !patience
[23:01] <Fall> Patients are a virtue ;)
[23:01] <mester890> :-P
[23:01]  * Fall sighs
[23:04] <mester890> I downloaded backbox a few hours ago, then i opened SEToolkit and cloned a website. At that time the console worked fine. But after I restarted the computer the Credential Harvester started printing the info to a file instead of printing it out in the console. What could possibly cause this?
[23:04]  * Fall frustration
[23:04] <vahm> sqlam
[23:04] <vahm> hey
[23:04] <vahm> nybody there
[23:05] <daftykins> vahm: you have to ask a question to get a response, an ubuntu support one specifically :P
[23:07] <mester890> So for me I think the best sulotion is to reinstall backbox, but how do i install it over the little partition that i have, without touching the other Os's on my system?
[23:08] <daftykins> mester890: this is ubuntu support, not other distro support.
[23:09] <mester890> It's OS-info says Ubuntu ;-) And the installation part is the same for every linux distros...
[23:09] <daftykins> mester890: it's cute you think you're the first to try and make that distinction
[23:09] <daftykins> mester890: *ONLY* official ubuntu is supported here, sorry. we cannot help you.
[23:09] <OerHeks> !info blackbox
[23:10] <SchrodingersScat> !backbox | OerHeks
[23:10] <mester890> Its Backbox
[23:10] <mester890> !info backbox
[23:10] <daftykins> mester890: they have a forum and a wiki, you're welcome to pursue queries there.
[23:10] <darko> i need kickass C developer. Payment $88/hr
[23:10] <OerHeks> credential harvester sounds like me not wanting to help
[23:10] <daftykins> darko: that's inappropriate for this channel.
[23:11] <darko> sorry
[23:11] <mester890> haha, thanks for the explanation tho
[23:12] <mester890> I'm actually working on an course for seeing what's legit websites and what's not.. It's a course for teenagers in 9th grade..
[23:12] <daftykins> mester890: that's lovely but off topic - #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:13] <mester890> daftykins: Do you think I will get my answers there?
[23:13] <daftykins> mester890: i'm saying that your general discussion isn't welcome here, but you can talk all you want there. the clue is in the name
[23:13] <daftykins> mester890: i've already told you where to look for support.
[23:14] <mester890> lol, I totaly  got that the first time :-P Thanks anyway :-D
[23:15] <daftykins> could've fooled me
[23:30] <phunyguy> I am trying to apt-get install davical, and it wants to pull in postgresql as a dependency.  I do not want this as I host postgresql externally on another machine.  How can I prevent it from doing this?
[23:31] <tech> hey please help me i am having trouble with my site "502 bad getway nginx error" how to fix
[23:31] <robinhood2014> I recently installed the Lubuntu (LXDE) desktop alongside the default Unity interface, but it seems that in doing so, I broke a part of libnotify such that when I press a volume key, it no longer shows me the change in volume level. How can I fix this?
[23:32] <tech> hey please help me i am having trouble with my site "502 bad getway nginx error" how to fix
[23:33] <mester890> !ask :tech
[23:33] <phunyguy> or see !patience
[23:33] <mester890> !ask
[23:33] <mester890> !ask | tech
[23:34] <phunyguy> mester890: ok that may be a bit overdone.  :-/
[23:35] <mester890> I did't get it right the first time... sry
[23:35] <phunyguy> :)
[23:35] <ElysiumNet> what's the recommended way to install a package that's newer than on the ubuntu repositories?
[23:36] <tech> ubottu: what
[23:36] <Ben64> ElysiumNet: find a ppa
[23:36] <tech> bot means what : ubottu
[23:36] <ElysiumNet> Ben64: eh, I would prefer to not use a ppa
[23:36] <Ben64> tech: ubottu is the channel bot, not a person
[23:37] <Ben64> ElysiumNet: then you get to use the versions that come with ubuntu
[23:37] <ElysiumNet> but it's so outdated! :(
[23:37] <Ben64> then use a ppa...
[23:37] <Ben64> !latest | ElysiumNet
[23:37] <ElysiumNet> Ben64: outdated by several years :P
[23:38] <Ben64> ElysiumNet: ok... what package
[23:38] <Shadow}}> 'Ello. Looking for MKV for Xubuntu through usage of apt-get?
[23:38] <Shadow}}> Or just a nice media player that supports .mkv
[23:38] <SchrodingersScat> Shadow}}: apt-cache search mkv
[23:38] <ElysiumNet> Ben64: I know there is a PPA for this, but I'm afraid of screwing up the production environment. php5 and php5-fpm
[23:39] <SchrodingersScat> Shadow}}: I'm thinking most of the media players should, mplayer, vlc, etc. etc.
[23:39] <Ben64> Shadow}}: mkv is a container, get a player that supports the codecs that are in it. mplayer, vlc are two examples
[23:39] <Shadow}}> Soo. Ya'll's opinion? What player should I get?
[23:39] <robinhood2014> My volume popup indicator is not working... I can change the volume and I can get audio confirmation, but no popup indicator. What's wrong?
[23:39] <SchrodingersScat> !info mpv | Shadow}}
[23:39] <tech> hey please help me i am having trouble with my site "502 bad getway nginx error" how to fix
[23:39] <holstein> !Info vlc
[23:40] <ElysiumNet> Ben64: it's still on 5.3.19 which supports none of the new language features
[23:40] <Ben64> ElysiumNet: then upgrade to 14.04, it is 5.5.9
[23:40] <ElysiumNet> *5.3.10
[23:40] <phunyguy> tech: we may need more details than that
[23:40] <ElysiumNet> Ben64: apt-get dist-upgrade only right?
[23:41] <Shadow}}> So. Will MPlayer/MP2 have or can have .mkv codecs?
[23:41] <holstein> !restricted
[23:41] <Ben64> ElysiumNet: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:41] <ElysiumNet> Ben64: chances of breaking everything?
[23:42] <Ben64> ElysiumNet: fairly small
[23:42] <holstein> ElysiumNet: no matter what the chances, or gurantee, you should have a backup
[23:42] <Ben64> ElysiumNet: you should definitely have backups though
[23:42]  * ElysiumNet writes that as 99.99% certainty
[23:42] <Shadow}}> Is there not a linux version I can get of ..Erm, The Korean Media Player?
[23:42] <Ben64> Shadow}}: no idea what that is, but mplayer and/or vlc should be able to play anything
[23:43] <Shadow}}> KMP? I believe it is... I'm not sure, bad memory.
[23:43] <holstein> Shadow}}: ask then for a version for linux.. nothing about ubuntu is preventing it from being on it
[23:43] <Shadow}}> Oh? Okay. Still learning...Slowly.
[23:43] <holstein> vlc is also my suggestion..
[23:43] <SchrodingersScat> Shadow}}: vlc has a nice gui, and xine looks a little like it, maybe?
[23:44] <Shadow}}> VLC can play .mkv I know this. So.. its "sudo up... gah how to do it..
[23:44] <holstein> Shadow}}: sudo apt-get install vlc
[23:44] <Shadow}}> Oh? So no need to search and update the database cache on VLC,eh?
[23:44] <Ben64> Shadow}}: again, mkv is a container, you need a player that supports the codecs inside. pretty much every player on ubuntu will do so
[23:45] <holstein> Shadow}}: do what you like.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc"
[23:45] <Shadow}}> Ben64: I just NOW understood that.
[23:46] <Shadow}}> Ben64: So, A container being something of a file extension much like a .zip?
[23:47] <Ben64> Shadow}}: not at all
[23:47] <Ben64> Shadow}}: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats
[23:47] <Shadow}}> Ben64: Mind summing what it is up for me? I'd love to learn but..I can't retain reading materials for certain reasons, Oddly enough this doesn't occur during human interaction albeit text.
[23:48] <Shadow}}> Cept Wiki, I can retain Wiki.
[23:49] <Shadow}}> Ben64: I think I understand a bit of it now, More like a web of codecs similiar to an OS? Per se..
[23:51] <Ben64> Shadow}}: its more like a container. think of jars or bottles or something.
[23:51] <Shadow}}> So question being, When I see .mkv files downloading. Doesn't really mean I can't play the files theirselves?
[23:52] <Shadow}}> All depends on the Media Player's supported usage of codecs and codecs therein?
[23:52] <Ben64> Shadow}}: yeah
[23:53] <Shadow}}> Ben64: Thank you, Helps alot for future reference when running into issues and trying to resolve them myself.
[23:54] <Shadow}}> holstein: Thank you also for the terminal line.
[23:54] <Shadow}}> o/