[02:35] <bluesabre> elfy: ogm video?
[14:21] <ochosi> did an upgrade recently from 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04, no big troubles apart from indicators being broken
[14:32] <bluesabre> 12.04 to 14.04 is pretty painless too
[14:32] <ochosi> yeah, actually the indicators were the only thing i noticed
[14:55] <elfy> hey you two :)
[14:56] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[14:56]  * bluesabre hides
[14:56] <ochosi> what's clickin?
[14:57] <elfy> harddrive
[14:57] <ochosi> get an ssd then
[14:57] <elfy> :p
[15:02] <bluesabre> :D
[15:05] <elfy> bluesabre: was a sound file in parole
[15:06] <ochosi> but what format?
[15:06] <ochosi> ogg? mp3?
[15:06] <ochosi> ideally, if you could provide the file, that would help
[15:07] <elfy> mp3
[15:08] <elfy> doesn't appear to be 'a' file
[15:08] <ochosi> wait, what is it, if it's not a file?
[15:08] <elfy> sorry - not 'a specific' file 
[15:08] <elfy> not just the one
[15:09] <ochosi> ah
[15:09] <elfy> didn't notice yesterday tbh
[15:09] <ochosi> so it happens with all mp3s but not other file formats?
[15:10] <elfy> aaah
[15:10] <elfy> woohoo - nothing for 'us' to worry about - same behaviour everywhere here
[15:11] <ochosi> you mean totem?
[15:12] <elfy> clementine
[15:12] <elfy> gmb
[15:12] <elfy> exaile
[15:12] <ochosi> ah, not sure what clementine uses as backend
[15:12] <ochosi> but gmb and exaile usually use gstreamer
[15:12] <ochosi> (like parole)
[15:12] <elfy> libxine I think
[15:13] <ochosi> ah, xine, that still exists too
[15:14] <elfy> but it's definitely something I've had an update for in unicorn 
[15:14] <elfy> same files play fine in trusty 
[15:15] <elfy> no way for me to remember though - seeking in music tracks is not something I generally do :)
[15:15] <ochosi> mhm
[15:16] <elfy> no idea what I'd raise a bug report against though 
[15:17] <elfy> might ask in -bugs 
[15:17] <ochosi> yeah, if it's multiple backends i'm not sure
[15:17] <ochosi> otherwise i'd have suggested gstreamer
[15:17] <elfy> yea
[15:23] <elfy> oh 
[15:23] <elfy> so clementine doesn't have xine as dependencies but gstreamer
[15:23] <elfy> so gstreamer I guess
[15:24] <ochosi> yup
[15:26] <bluesabre> sounds weird
[15:27] <bluesabre> I'll take a look at that later and see if its anything obvious
[15:27] <elfy> sounds like the sort of thing I end up with :p
[15:28] <elfy> originally thought I'd done something to the hdd - did a whole lot of deleting media files 
[15:28] <elfy> but it works ok in trusty
[15:28] <bluesabre> hm
[15:28]  * ochosi is happy it works in trusty
[15:29] <elfy> bluesabre: I'll do a clean install later if I get chance and see if it is local 
[15:30] <bluesabre> cool, thanks elfy
[15:30] <elfy> so I'd not look at it if I was you just yet :)
[15:30] <ochosi> yup, let's get the new dev release of parole ready first ;)
[15:30] <bluesabre> yup
[15:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, not sure satyajit contacted you already, but he wants to split the shimmer-themes package up (again)
[15:31] <ochosi> reason is that they want to ship numix also in ubuntu-gnome
[15:31] <bluesabre> ah
[15:31] <ochosi> another issue that i'm considering at the moment is dropping support for albatross and bluebird (hence also removing them from our default install)
[15:31] <bluesabre> any reason they cannot ship shimmer-themes in ubuntu-gnome?
[15:32] <ochosi> i simply don't have the time resources to patch all the gtk3 changes up with each release
[15:32] <bluesabre> bluebird was nice, but stopped getting love
[15:32] <ochosi> dunno, i guess that's something to discuss with the ubuntu gnome folks
[15:32] <bluesabre> shouldn't they be easier to maintain once ported to sass?
[15:32] <ochosi> yeah, once ported...
[15:32] <bluesabre> :)
[15:32] <ochosi> it doesn't sound like fun to me to rewrite entire themes in sass
[15:32]  * bluesabre does not know what that entails
[15:33] <ochosi> i'd rather work on more essential things than re-doing all our themes
[15:33] <bluesabre> yeah
[15:33] <bluesabre> that's okay, since Greybird and Numix are both top-notch
[15:34] <ochosi> yeah, rather ship two themes of quality than quantity
[15:41] <ochosi> so maybe we can set up utopic to carry either a reduced shimmer-themes package (greybird and numix) or two separate packages
[15:42] <bluesabre> yeah
[15:43] <elfy> biab
[15:44] <bluesabre> knome: please add importance to this bug
[15:44] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405
[15:44] <bluesabre> it continues to be ignored
[15:45] <ochosi> :/
[15:45] <bluesabre> Logan_, micahg, I've tried other sponsors, if you guys happen to be about, please consider uploading the above package to trusty-proposed
[15:46] <ochosi> +1
[15:51] <elfy> bluesabre: must be local - seeks fine in live session once codecs are installed
[15:51] <ochosi> phew
[15:51] <ochosi> good
[15:51] <elfy> kind of 
[15:51] <elfy> it'll really annoy me now I know and I'll need to do a clean install :p
[15:51] <ochosi> hehe
[15:52] <elfy> bit early in the cycle for that :)
[15:53] <elfy> that said I have another more annoying issue at the moment - had nvidia, reinstalled nouveau, reinstalled nvidia and it carries on using nouveau 
[15:53] <elfy> 10 seconds of screen noise every boot
[15:55] <ali1234> make sure that gpu-manager didn't delete your xorg.conf
[15:55] <ali1234> it likes to do that all the time
[15:56] <elfy> that'll be it then
[15:56] <ali1234> it makes a backup
[15:56] <ali1234> i have no idea why it does this but it is really annoying
[15:56] <elfy> couldn't have had one - no xorg.conf.anything.at.all
[15:57] <elfy> no xorg.conf in trusty either and that boots with nvidia
[16:01] <ali1234> i dunno then
[16:02] <elfy> no - me neither :)
[17:12] <knome> bluesabre, done
[18:17] <bluesabre> knome, thanks
[18:21] <knome> bluesabre, when's your board?
[18:22] <bluesabre> the 14th
[18:23] <knome> mhm
[18:23] <knome> are you by any chance running for bugsquad privileges as well?
[18:23] <knome> brainwash, ali1234: you too ^
[18:27] <bluesabre> I probably should
[18:29] <knome> at least that would be useful, avoiding bottlenecking on only a few people having the privileges
[18:29] <knome> not that i mind doing that, but i'm not always available (much less now than before!)
[18:59] <bluesabre> :)
[19:08] <ali1234> my network browsing in thunar is broken
[19:08] <ali1234> it was working fine before i reinstalled
[19:09] <ali1234> Failed to open "/ on ". Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus).
[19:10] <ali1234> i don't understand this :(
[19:13] <ali1234> gvfsd is crashing
[19:19] <micahg> bluesabre: do the other bugs have test cases
[19:19] <micahg> I'll try to take a look a little later tonight
[19:20] <bluesabre> micahg, they do not, I'll add those as well
[19:20] <bluesabre> where would you prefer the bug test cases listed?
[19:23] <micahg> bluesabre: I think the SRU team will want test cases for all the bugs fixed
[19:24] <bluesabre> micahg, got it
[19:24] <micahg> they can be in the individual bugs
[19:24] <micahg> all the numbers will be linked in the upload
[19:24] <ali1234> well i found the issue
[19:24] <ali1234> gsettings crashes if you modify XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable
[19:25] <ali1234> this takes out gvfsd too
[19:29] <bluesabre> oh, that's fun
[19:37] <ali1234> according to the spec what i am doing is valid
[19:37] <ali1234> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[19:37] <ali1234> according to my interpretation anyway
[21:09] <bluesabre> ali1234, I may have a fix for https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10717 now
[21:09] <bluesabre> https://github.com/bluesabre/xfce4-settings/commit/1c828cc780b6742e0e19a002392f6f6ae8a337ee
[21:15] <ali1234> looking...
[21:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: you should really just set up the branch in git.xfce though ;)
[21:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: works for me, although the "friendly name" is really odd here
[21:27] <ochosi> it says ENC 24''
[21:27] <ochosi> and the number doesn't really cut it for me
[21:27] <ochosi> it might work for vbox, but everywhere else it's confusing imo
[21:28] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-07-06-232810.php
[21:29] <ochosi> in this particular example it looks like a product code or a bug
[21:29] <ochosi> i guess if the EDID friendly name is friendlier it looks better, but i'm still a bit against adding those numbers...
[21:29] <ochosi> at least in the displays, we could leave them there in the combobox if you want
[21:30] <ochosi> e.g. ENC 24'' (1/2)
[21:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: last few times I tried to set up a users branch in git.xfce failed
[21:37] <ochosi> hm, strange
[21:37] <ochosi> it should be fairly simple
[21:37] <ochosi> just set up your git-config a tiny bit by adding the private branch and push to it, done.
[21:37] <bluesabre> gotta run for a few
[21:37] <bluesabre> I'll try again when I get back
[21:37] <ochosi> alrighty
[21:42] <bluesabre> ochosi: you
[21:42] <bluesabre> 're welcome to adjust the numbering system
[21:42] <bluesabre> :)
[21:42] <bluesabre> bbl
[21:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: could we retire this page plz? http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole
[21:42] <bluesabre> yes plz
[21:42] <ochosi> unless you care about it, i'll just add a link to the docs-page
[21:42] <ochosi> (for redirect a plugin is needed, and i dont have sudo powers there)
[21:43] <bluesabre> I'll look into fixing the link on releases.xfce
[21:43] <bluesabre> bbiab
[21:52] <ochosi> hehe, greybird is referenced in wikipedia as "xfce theme": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce
[21:52] <ochosi> i guess that means it's true :p
[21:59] <ali1234> bluesabre: why XfceOutputInfo? why not just store the index?
[22:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: i wonder if the numbers are still necessary or even helpful (in vbox) to identify a display when you actually see the highlight in the selected display in the DND widget and also in the identity popup... i guess i'd merge your branch and consider marking as wontfix (or am i not seeing a benefit of the numbers here?)
[22:52] <ochosi> either way, time for bed. night everyone
[23:07] <bluesabre> ali1234, just made it easy for the time
[23:08] <bluesabre> I'll fix it
[23:08] <bluesabre> :)
[23:16] <bluesabre> ochosi: the numbers appear in the combobox, in the DND, and in the popup
[23:19] <ali1234> the numbers -> name mapping can change at any time
[23:19] <ali1234> see https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10725
[23:20] <ali1234> comment 11 onwards
[23:45] <bluesabre> Fixed my crap code, that looks annoying
[23:49] <bluesabre> I think I'll update the EDID vendor list