[08:04] <SierraAR> Hey, asked in #kubuntu about recommended system specs for running kubuntu 64-bit in a virtual machine (VMWare Workstation 10, if the specifis matter). What I plan on using it for is running ubuntu-based applications on my desktop, and for developing/testing of programs for Ubuntu. Recommended specs for Kubuntu that I've found online say a dual core 1GHz processor and 1 GB RAM. I can 
[08:04] <SierraAR> easily meet that with the VM, but I'm not sure if I should bump that up to, say, 2 GB RAM because it's a virtual machine. (The CPU I'm using is a 4 GHz, so I don't think that will have any issues)
[08:04] <SierraAR> valorie in #kubuntu directed me here to see what hardware you guys would recommend for developing/testing
[08:05] <valorie> SierraAR: you might need some patience; the europeans are just getting online now
[08:06] <SierraAR> That's fine.
[08:06] <SierraAR> Not my first time staying up past 1 AMX D
[08:07] <Noskcaj> SierraAR, It depends on if you want to test in a VM or not
[08:08] <Noskcaj> If you're willing to re-install whenever you break something, just about any pc that will run kubuntu works
[08:08] <SierraAR> Noskcaj: I'd be testing in the VM, unless you guys would recommend I set up a dual boot on my desktop instead.
[08:08] <SierraAR> I don't currently have a second computer available
[08:09] <Noskcaj> If you want VMs for when stuff needs testing, 4gb RAM and at least a dual-core cpu is minimum
[08:09] <Noskcaj> Vms are best for getting started
[08:09] <Noskcaj> *VMs
[08:10] <SierraAR> I'll be so glad when I can afford the 32GB set of ram on my wishlist.. I currently have 8GB of ram available, but I can spare 4GB for when I'm working on ubuntu
[08:10] <Noskcaj> SierraAR, That's plenty
[08:10] <SierraAR> 2 cores at 4 GHz is good, as well? (Assuming the VM provides the full 4 GHz to the OS)
[08:10]  * Noskcaj leaves to get food
[08:10] <Noskcaj> yeah
[08:11] <valorie> SierraAR: are you thinking of helping out here?
[08:13] <SierraAR> valorie: When I've learned everything and know what I'm doing, maybe
[08:13] <valorie> "learned everything"
[08:13] <valorie> I love it
[08:13] <SierraAR> s/everything/enough to say I'm not a noob
[08:13] <SierraAR> Something like that xD
[08:13] <valorie> lol
[08:14] <SierraAR> I should know better... Several years with PHP/MySQL and I still poke the php.net cheatsheets
[08:15] <valorie> but that's what they are for
[08:15] <valorie> I often make my own, for various things
[08:15] <valorie> or just blog about stuff, so I can remember
[08:26] <Noskcaj> SierraAR, If you can start a VM or know any language other than english (programming or spoken), you know enough to help
[08:28] <SierraAR> Yay I know something useful then, although I'm not sure if visual basic or php will help with kubuntu XD
[08:29] <Noskcaj> SierraAR, I'd assume php could be used for something, i just don't know personally
[08:30] <SierraAR> sudo apt-get -y update ; sudo apt-get -y upgrade
[08:30] <SierraAR> And that was the wrong window
[08:35] <valorie> SierraAR: probably on our website php will be useful
[08:46] <Riddell> hola
[08:46] <soee> hiho
[09:00] <Riddell> ooh, do we want our own baseball team? http://paste.kde.org/pyfudkvzp
[09:01] <Riddell> or whatever softball is
[09:04] <valorie> softball is baseball with a bigger, softer ball
[09:04] <valorie> bit slower play, easier for amateurs
[09:31] <apachelogger> slower, sounds dreadful
[09:32] <apachelogger> relevant video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxu248aD6PY
[09:32] <Riddell> so we don't want to sponsor them?  we'll be missing out on all that advertising to "the guy/men demographic"
[09:35] <apachelogger> forward to Mark, let him decide? :P
[09:40] <Riddell> I think if he'd said canoe polo I'd be more likely to be sympathetic
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what's the status on the docs server?
[10:36] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: good question, the germans wanted some more confirmation from the guy who bought it and that guy said he'd phone and talk to them
[10:36] <Riddell> I'll ask for an update
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> romanians have started bugging me about the Romanian site
[10:37] <Riddell> ah yeah, sorry :(
[10:47] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: Takó says "Yes. I need to copy and send by email it. Today is my Printer ready and i will do it."
[10:55] <Riddell> anyone have suggestions for what to rename baloo-et-al to?
[10:56] <Riddell> upstream (me) has just changed the tar for kf5 version to baloo so it'll clash in the archive with kdelibs4 version
[10:56] <Riddell> currently I'm thinking renaming the kdelibs4 version would actually be nicer
[10:57] <Riddell> but I don't have a great name for it
[10:57] <soee> hi, there is widget for milou, but is it possible to replace krunner with it ?
[10:58] <Riddell> soee: krunner is hidden so there's nothing to replace visually
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[11:13] <soee> Riddell: yup but i wonder if this widget can work as a replacemtn for krunner
[11:14] <Riddell> soee: we did consider adding it by default, one issue is that it overlaps with kickoff for search somewhat
[11:16] <soee> Riddell: well the issue can be fixed ill give +1 for such change :)
[11:16] <soee> *if
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Carrer+de+Rocafort,+75/@41.3786036,2.1542382,18z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x12a4a27cd36a79c5:0xe1ad30a5597b95bc
[11:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Caixabank/@41.3783888,2.1545842,20z/data=!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x12a4a27cd36a79c5:0xe1ad30a5597b95bc!2sCarrer+de+Rocafort,+75!3b1!3m1!1s0x0:0xc689e5e0b8de9c2c
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[12:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-February/004032.html
[12:22]  * ScottK hearts debcommit.
[12:26] <Riddell> mm yes sorry
[12:52] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: success! I think
[12:53] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ sweet!
[12:53] <shadeslayer> oh yay
[12:54] <Riddell> http://ro.kubuntu.org/  romania is back!
[12:54] <Riddell> docs are back! http://docs.kubuntu.org/
[12:56] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_4.98.0_utopic.html ta da!
[13:04] <soee> :)
[13:04] <soee> now lets wait for meta files :)
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[14:01] <Riddell> so.. baloo-kdelibs4 ?  baloo-old ?  baloo-previous ?
[14:04] <soee_> and whats the current name ? :)
[14:04] <Riddell> well baloo
[14:04] <Riddell> but that's also now the name of baloo using frameworks 5
[14:06] <soee_> i think something like baloo-kdelibs4 tells all you need to know about the package 
[14:06] <Riddell> mm
[14:06] <shadeslayer> sourcenames are not user visible
[14:06] <Riddell> it does seem the best
[14:06] <shadeslayer> and baloo-kdelibs4 is way too loong
[14:06] <shadeslayer> baloo4
[14:06] <shadeslayer> ftw
[14:08] <Riddell> okay dokay
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[14:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Call it nepomuk. 
[14:18] <Riddell> >:)
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do we want to copy over kxmlrpcclient as a separate repo ? or should I do a copy inside the plasma-workspace repo?
[14:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd just copy it into plasma-workspace
[14:23] <Riddell> rename it to kxmlrpcclientprivate or similar
[14:23] <shadeslayer> ok, still need to figure out how to make dr konqi pick up everything though
[14:55]  * Riddell adds https://trello.com/c/bHts0dQn/71-consider-using-baloo-kf5-by-default
[14:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://doodle.com/32izsxtd53thtfyk want to sprint?
[15:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: so what still needs done on http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/ ?
[15:04] <apachelogger> random note of the day some wordpress plugin or the other had a CVE recently
[15:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what needs done to make that plasma 5 iso happen?  just keep gently poking colin?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> dunno, what happened on that release thread
[15:05] <apachelogger> unicorns
[15:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the only points of contention were if it would be released (well whatever, we can put it on our server if not) and name (I don't like the name remix anyway)
[15:06] <Riddell> nobody disagrees it should happen
[15:06] <Riddell> assuming I haven't put them off by being all grumpy
[15:10] <Riddell> Mamarok: coming to kubuntu@akademy? https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy
[15:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: when do we declaire your policy list done?
[15:14] <apachelogger> when the council reached a conclusion and removes the ((NEW)) tags in the titles I guess
[15:44] <Etriaph> *phew*
[15:44] <Etriaph> I apologize for my absence, that contract was a doozy.
[15:47] <Mamarok> Riddell: hm, I seem not to have authorization to open that pad, but no, I will not go to Brno, too complicated to dash to Switzerland in emergency if there is something with my dad
[15:48] <Mamarok> I wil go to Randa, so at least I am not that far from Fribourg
[15:48] <Riddell> Mamarok: ah yes sensible enough, and always the munich sprint later http://doodle.com/32izsxtd53thtfyk
[15:48] <Mamarok> hm, that looks mor in my grasp, indeed
[15:49] <Riddell> Mamarok: throw in your likely available dates if you might be interested, no worry if you can't make it
[15:49] <Mamarok> shouldn't that always be two days?
[15:49] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes it's fri evening to sunday
[15:50] <Mamarok> ah, OK, I guess yes, I can arrange any of these dates, with the reservation that I have to rush to Switzerland on short notice
[15:52] <Riddell> hi Etriaph, going to become an elite kubuntu ninja now?
[15:52] <Etriaph> I have the summer for it, this contract paid well; I only slept about 5 hours a night during it, but it's done.
[15:53] <Etriaph> Just have to get oriented with what I was in the middle of, but yes I certainly have time :D
[15:56] <Riddell> yay :)
[15:56] <Riddell> Etriaph: what were you in the middle of?
[15:57] <Etriaph> I was devising HTML5 + CSS3 for the team member page.
[15:58] <Etriaph> And I'm trying my best not to use plugins for WP in the process, but that doesn't seem likely.
[15:58] <Etriaph> WP wasn't necessarily intended as a CMS, it's a blogging platform.
[15:58] <Etriaph> To get it CMS-like, you need plugins.
[15:59] <Riddell> yeah it's always struck me as weird that it seems more popular than drupal for cms when it's drupal that is a cms for static pages by default
[16:00] <Etriaph> In the open source CMS world, the only CMS that really does the job well is Joomla!, but the folks who develop it write code that is .. a little too interesting for me
[16:01] <Etriaph> At any rate, WordPress is just fine, we just need PodsCMS with it.  Pods lets you create your own custom content types, and lets you create much more granular roles -- a service that you need to install Pods to get, WP won't let you touch the permissions in that kind of detail.
[16:02] <Etriaph> When's the next mumble?
[16:02]  * Etriaph finally bought a mic.
[16:02] <Riddell> Etriaph: none planned although we maybe should have one to go over the policy stuff
[16:02] <Riddell> and wasn't ovidiu-florin_ going for membership?
[16:03] <Etriaph> I wasn't aware he wasn't a member, I figured since he was organizing the web stuff..
[16:03] <Riddell> that's why we need to fix that
[16:03] <Riddell> you'll be pleased to know the server test.kubuntu.co.uk is on is back up today, it was down for a couple weeks
[16:04] <Etriaph> I was just in time
[16:04] <Etriaph> :D
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[16:36] <Riddell> hi vgezer
[16:36] <Riddell> vgezer: wanting to come to akademy or our munich sprint?
[16:36] <Riddell> vgezer: have you seen that test.kubuntu.co.uk is back up?
[16:43] <Riddell> god I wish someone would put kde.org in a CMS
[16:43] <Riddell> playing with HTML inside inconsistent PHP functions is so 1990s...
[16:44] <soee> :D
[16:44] <soee> Riddell: i can do it :)
[16:47] <soee> Riddell: check this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLHZbL3lSFM
[16:47] <soee> this is CMS im using in latest project :)
[16:47] <soee> thers no easier way to manage content than here i think
[16:49] <Riddell> soee: the difficulty with kde.org is it's got loads of content from years ago that should be kept
[16:49] <soee> yeh probably :/
[16:52] <soee> what was the link to 4.4.98 build status ?
[16:53] <Riddell> 4.4.98?
[16:53] <Riddell> of what?
[16:53] <Riddell> I don't recognise that
[16:53] <Riddell> we have plasma http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_4.98.0_utopic.html
[16:53] <soee> 4.98 :D
[16:54] <soee> yup, thank you
[16:54] <Riddell> which is turning green, yay
[16:54]  * soee dreams ... i hope this version will for for me
[16:54] <soee> *work
[16:57] <Etriaph> Riddell: Does test.kubuntu.co.uk have a backup system in place?
[16:58] <mcstr> guys... any idea how i can remove old mobile-device entries stored in kde-connect? 
[17:02] <Riddell> Etriaph: it should have a simple rsync onto my arm server at home, this hasn't been working until I hope I fixed it this morning
[17:05] <Etriaph> Riddell: OK.  What I'll likely end up doing is creating a small plan for the changes I plan to make in LibreOffice and just run them by ovidiu-florin for a sanity check (or anyone who is in a position to help make a final decision) and we'll go from there.  I'd ideally like to be able to walk back changes if necessary, but I can develop here and get things finalized prior to deployment.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> mcstr: just unpair?
[17:05] <Etriaph> Riddell: Or would you prefer another medium for documentation?
[17:06] <Riddell> Etriaph: calligra :)
[17:06] <Etriaph> Well, I'd produce a PDF
[17:06] <Riddell> whatever works best for you
[17:06] <mcstr> @shadeslayer  no i mean the devices are still listed there
[17:06] <mcstr> even if i unpair them
[17:06] <mcstr> i have now  a list of one sgs4 and 3(!) sgs3 there
[17:06] <mcstr> with only the sgs3 being active
[17:06] <Etriaph> But I can do it in a Google doc too and share it with others.
[17:06] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:07] <mcstr> i tried to remove it reinstall it did not solve this issue
[17:07] <shadeslayer> mcstr: qdbus org.kde.kded /modules/kdeconnect org.kde.kded.kdeconnect.restart
[17:07] <shadeslayer> try that
[17:07] <mcstr> and i love to flash custom roms on my sgs3 and everytime i do, i get a new entry in the list :/
[17:07] <mcstr> thx
[17:08] <Etriaph> Riddell: I'd rather not use Calligra, tbh :D
[17:08] <shadeslayer> if it doesn't work, them remove ~/.kde/share/config/kdeconnect*
[17:11] <Riddell> Etriaph: whatever works best for you
[17:13] <mcstr> @shadeslayer  that made more sense! everything is fine now thanks a lot :)
[17:13] <shadeslayer> cheers
[17:22] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:22] <Etriaph> Evening lordievader
[17:23] <lordievader> Hey Etriaph, how are you?
[17:23] <Riddell> lordievader: want to come to kubuntu @ akademy or the munich sprint?  lots you can get into once you know the people
[17:23] <Riddell> Etriaph: likewise if you've on the right side of the planet ↑
[17:24] <Etriaph> lordievader: I'm fantastic, and yourself?
[17:24] <lordievader> Etriaph: Doing good, messing with my RPi again :D
[17:24] <Etriaph> Riddell: I'd love to, but am kind of land-locked in Canada right now.  Diagnosed with diabetes and fibromyalgia last year, still recovering from it
[17:24] <lordievader> Riddell: When is that?
[17:27] <Riddell> lordievader: akademy is in september, kubuntu day on thursday, akademy.kde.org
[17:27] <Riddell> still working out the date for munich meeting 
[17:27] <Riddell> http://doodle.com/32izsxtd53thtfyk
[17:28] <lordievader> Hmm, in September college has started again.
[17:31] <Riddell> they'll realise an educating experience when they see one
[17:36] <Riddell> soee, BluesKaj: meetings if you want to meet the team and get into helping out more ↑
[17:37] <soee> Riddell: what do you do on such meetings ?
[17:39] <Riddell> soee: drink beer?  
[17:40] <soee> i do not drink hehe :) 
[17:40] <Riddell> drink irn bru?
[17:40] <soee> irn bru ?
[17:41] <Riddell> we chat about plans, hack on things and make the world a better place
[17:42] <soee> usually im online so as nothing import is do be done in my personal projects im always here to help :)
[17:46] <lordievader> Riddell: I'm not sure yet. Could you let me know when there is a more definitive date for the meeting?
[17:46] <Riddell> sure
[17:47] <Riddell> Etriaph: sounds horrible, if it's anything like head trauma then free software is a good route to recovery
[17:54] <Etriaph> Riddell: Fibromyalgia is chronic pain, neuropathic in nature
[17:55] <Etriaph> Riddell: The diabetes kind of killed my muscles, I'm on the mend but there will be physio involved beforehand.
[17:55] <soee> there is an issue when with restricted extras 
[17:55] <Etriaph> Riddell: Never crushes my spirit though, always on the go doin' something to keep my mind off of it
[17:55] <soee> i tried to install kubuntu-restricted-extras, almost all went fine, except: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7761240/
[17:56] <soee> *utopic
[17:59] <Riddell> soee: file a bug on ttf-mscorefonts-installer I guess
[18:00] <soee> hhm might be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1300920
[22:37] <soee> woho Frameworks 5.0 is out :)