[10:52] <antonfire> Is there any non-workaround way to set up different custom flags for the us and us(dvorak) keyboard layouts?
[10:57] <antonfire> (or set up some other way to distinguish them which is visible in the toolbar without having to hold the mouse over the icon and wait for the tooltip to come up)
[14:17] <dj_beirut> i have changed the mac address of eth1 from the menu in lubuntu and it is working fine. the changes that are made is not visible in /etc/networking/interfaces. anyone got an idea where the change is stored?
[17:43] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> Hello
[17:43] <holstein> hello
[17:44] <Lubuntuenfrsvp>  want to change language on Lubuntu could you help me please
[17:44] <rafaellaguna> Lubuntuenfrsvp, it's easy
[17:44] <rafaellaguna> you must install the additional languages first
[17:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/LanguageSupport looks like it
[17:45] <Lubuntuenfrsvp>  I'm french and I've never used linux system.
[17:45] <rafaellaguna> once you do it, just re-login and at the upper right corner you can change the language for the whole desktop
[17:46] <rafaellaguna> use "Menu / Preferences / Language support"
[17:46] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> The change of language takes place with an internet connection?
[17:46] <rafaellaguna> yes, you need it to download the language packages
[17:46] <holstein> Lubuntuenfrsvp: after "installing additional languages".. however you want to do that
[17:47] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> do not see the icon of the Wi-Fi suddenly I could not have access to Internet
[17:47] <rafaellaguna> there's a button "Install / Remove Languages...". Can you see it?
[17:48] <rafaellaguna> can you browse? the icon does not appear because of an error, but it doesn't affect the connection
[17:48] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> I launched Lubuntu live and I do not see the icon Wi-Fi in the taskbar at the bottom right
[17:49] <rafaellaguna> no, it's the error I told you, but Internet is still there :)
[17:49] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> Non
[17:50] <rafaellaguna> can't you browse?
[17:50] <rafaellaguna> are you cabled or wifi?
[17:50] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> When I try to START on Firefox no connection ...
[17:50] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> i'm in wifi...
[17:50] <rafaellaguna> ok, do this. menu / run
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> and type "nm-applet" (without the quotes)
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> but don't install nothing in Live mode, it won't remember nothing :D
[17:52] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> Thank you, in your opinion how many gigabytes do I need for a proper functioning of Lubuntu?
[17:53] <phillw> 384 Mb RAM, 5 GB Hard disk is about the absolute minimum
[17:56] <Lubuntuenfrsvp>  ok I am running windows 7 if I install Linux on another partition could I have the choice to boot Linux or Windows chosen?
[17:56] <rafaellaguna> yes
[17:56] <rafaellaguna> you'll see a menu where you can choose one or other
[17:58] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> Even if it's on the same hard drive? (but not on the same partition)
[17:58] <phillw> yes
[17:58] <rafaellaguna> yes, Linux lets you choose :)
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> I have Windows XP in a little partition (I use it for fixing my phone), and Lubuntu
[18:00] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> thank you verri mych !
[18:00] <rafaellaguna> You're welcome :)
[18:00] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> rafaella are you a girl ?
[18:00] <rafaellaguna> :D no, I'm Rafael
[18:00] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> Hahaha
[18:00] <wxl> hahahah
[18:00] <wxl> a/s/l?
[18:01] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> okey
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> but there're girls here
[18:01] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> thank you men (y)
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> thank you for coming
[18:01] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> Where are the pretty girls who use linux?
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> and don't worry, if you have a problem, just tell us
[18:01] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> haha ^^
[18:01] <wxl> actually
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> oh, I know a few ;)
[18:01] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> ok thank you men !!!!!!!!!!
[18:02] <Lubuntuenfrsvp>  The game "Dofus" works well on Linux?
[18:03] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> http://download.dofus.com/full/linux/
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> I never played it :|
[18:04] <rafaellaguna> but if you run Windows 7 you have a nice computer, so I'm sure it will
[18:05] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> Thank you men !!!!!!!!!!
[18:05] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> my name is Caphomial ok?
[18:05] <rafaellaguna> grâce à vous
[18:05] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> next time i use "Caphomial" Nickname
[18:05] <rafaellaguna> ok
[18:05] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> je suis francais
[18:06] <rafaellaguna> we're everywhere :)
[18:06] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> ha ha ha ! (OROSHIMARU VOICE)
[18:07] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> thank you
[18:07] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> i go to install it
[18:07] <Lubuntuenfrsvp> with 30 gb its good ?
[18:08] <rafaellaguna> usually you make a partition for Linux itself, with 10gb it's enough for all apps, and another for your personal data
[18:09] <rafaellaguna> this way you can remove your Lubuntu Linux and put another or upgrade it safe
[19:23] <Shawn286> howdy
[19:24] <Shawn286> I have a strange problem
[19:25] <Shawn286> I just preppared an 8 GB usb flash drive with lubuntu using lili usb creator, my core i7 laptop boots from it with no problem, yet my pentium4 for just has a black screen with a blank blinking cursor
[19:26] <Shawn286> oops, keyboard problem
[19:26] <Shawn286> my pentium 4 for some reason just has that black screen with the blank blinking cursor
[19:26] <Shawn286> might someone be able to help me with this problem?
[19:26] <wxl> Shawn286: you sure your bios is set to boot to it?
[19:26] <Shawn286> yes
[19:27] <holstein> !nomodeset
[19:27] <Shawn286> I double checked, and I set the lexar usb flash drive to boot
[19:27] <Shawn286> I am able to boot from another flash drive that has linux mint 32-bit 17 "qiana"
[19:27] <Shawn286> and it runs that with no problem, although I want to give the lighter lubuntu a go
[19:28] <holstein> Shawn286: you can install lxde there.. or try the mode isuggested
[19:28] <wxl> did you try what holstein suggested, Shawn286 /
[19:28] <Shawn286> seeing as he just typed it, I just read it
[19:28] <wxl> also how much ram do you have on that machine?
[19:28] <Shawn286> 1 GB
[19:29] <wxl> should be sufficient. probably a video issue in any case
[19:29] <Shawn286> video??
[19:29] <wxl> yep
[19:29] <Shawn286> why would it be a video issue
[19:29] <wxl> because it uses graphics? :)
[19:29] <Shawn286> ...
[19:29] <wxl> try using the alternate installer and i bet you have no issues
[19:29] <holstein> Shawn286: driver support. its quite common
[19:29] <Shawn286> thats not a real answer
[19:29] <Shawn286> oh
[19:29] <Shawn286> it appears that it wont boot lubuntu though
[19:30] <holstein> Shawn286: this is the real anwser.. try the nomodeset.. it will provide a "safe graphics mode".. have you tried it?
[19:30] <Shawn286> I have also tried with the p=endrive linux creator
[19:30] <Shawn286> the graphics are descent
[19:30] <wxl> it's not about decent
[19:30] <holstein> Shawn286: sure.. if the stick boots, then the stick is not the issue.. you say it works on another machine.. correct? the *same* stick?
[19:30] <wxl> sometimes having decent graphics is a problem
[19:30] <Shawn286> yes
[19:30] <holstein> Shawn286: its about *support* of the graphics.. for supporting linux specificially
[19:30] <wxl> again, try the alternate installer
[19:30] <Shawn286> I also used the same stick to boot other operating systems
[19:30] <holstein> Shawn286: so, dont try and fix the stick since it works fine
[19:31] <Shawn286> I wasn't about to..
[19:33] <Shawn286> if you say its video..then how come ubuntu boots with no issue..from the same drive..
[19:33] <Shawn286> I'm not even getting a linux bootloader or grub loader
[19:33] <Shawn286> on lubuntu
[19:33] <holstein> Shawn286: differnent kernels.. friend.. and im not saying its graphics.. im saying its commonly graphics issue, and offering a way to test that
[19:33] <holstein> !nomodeset
[19:34] <holstein> Shawn286: you can install lxde into any ubuntu that you are booting there..
[19:34] <holstein> Shawn286: lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. you can test the lubuntu iso. but you say the stick is working
[19:34] <Shawn286> but lubuntu isn't
[19:35] <holstein> Shawn286: yes.. it is. lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[19:35] <holstein> !flavors
[19:35] <Shawn286> the pentium 4 runs on an Intel Desktop Board with an 82845G/GL/GE Chipset
[19:35] <holstein> Shawn286: ok.. have you tried nomodeset?
[19:35] <Shawn286> how do I go about that?
[19:35] <holstein> !nomodeset
[19:36] <holstein> Shawn286: i read the link above and follow the instructions ^^
[19:36] <Shawn286> you have flashed that many times
[19:36] <Shawn286> dont know how many times I need to click it to satisfy ya
[19:36] <holstein> Shawn286: aks a question if you need help implementing iit
[19:36] <holstein> ask*
[19:52] <wxl> Shawn286: the other thing is the installer isn't necessarily going to have all the extra kernel drivers that you get when you have a proper install
[19:52] <wxl> Shawn286: also you should check to see if you have problems with the alternate installer
[19:52] <wxl> Shawn286: another option is try a different usb port. that happens sometimes, too.
[20:41] <Shawn286> oh that is weird.. not even linux mint will boot off that flash drive
[20:41] <holstein> Shawn286: on that hardware
[20:41] <Shawn286> no
[20:41] <Shawn286> off that flash drive
[20:42] <holstein> ok.. thats much differnt than what i was reading earlier
[20:42] <Shawn286> I have the smaller flash drive with linux mint...that boots, but when I try the same distro on the 8 GB lexar, its gettign the blank cursor
[20:42] <holstein> that flash drive booted on some other machine
[20:42] <Shawn286> O.o
[20:42] <holstein> thats why i didnt suggest..
[20:42] <holstein> !md5
[20:42] <wxl> did you try the alternate installer?
[20:42] <holstein> or testing the stick..
[20:42] <Shawn286> what did i just say O.o
[20:42] <holstein> Shawn286: you had stated tring to stick on other hardware, and it worked
[20:43] <Shawn286> other hardware??
[20:43] <Shawn286> I am only talking abou the intel 82845g pentium 4
[20:43] <Shawn286> *about
[20:43] <holstein> Shawn286: 15:25 < Shawn286> I just preppared an 8 GB usb flash drive with lubuntu using lili usb creator, my core i7 laptop boots from it with no problem, yet  my pentium4 for just has a black screen with a blank blinking cursor
[20:43] <Shawn286> oh, well that was just a test
[20:43] <holstein> i read that as, an i7 boots the stick, the p4 doesnt
[20:43] <holstein> Shawn286: sure.. but that test means the stick works.. you are stating it doesnt
[20:44] <Shawn286> on the pentium 4
[20:44] <holstein> does the stick boot on the i7?
[20:44] <Shawn286> yes
[20:44] <holstein> then, the stick is not the issue..
[20:44] <Shawn286> it is for the pentium 4
[20:45] <holstein> anyways.. linux mint likely has the same kernel version as lubuntu.. so thats what i would expect
[20:45] <wxl> the stick with the same iso on it boots on the i7?
[20:45] <holstein> same hardware support for the graphics card
[20:45] <Shawn286> noo
[20:45] <Shawn286> no linux mint on the i7
[20:45] <holstein> Shawn286: does it boot on the i7 or not?
[20:45] <wxl> so you've never tested the same stick with the same lubuntu iso on the i7?
[20:45] <holstein> i swear i read that question above answered both ways.. ;)
[20:46] <Shawn286> I said the lubuntu prepped flash drive booted on the i7
[20:46] <Shawn286> but that confirms the usb stick works
[20:46] <Shawn286> back to the p4 now
[20:46] <wxl> so using the exact same stick with the exact same iso on it, it does not boot on the p4?
[20:46] <holstein> Shawn286: did nomodeset work? did you try that option with the p4?
[20:47] <Shawn286> on my 2 GB flash stick prepped with linux mint xfce, that boots on the p4
[20:47] <Shawn286> yet using that iso on the lexar flash drive, it just gets the blank cursor stair
[20:47] <holstein> Shawn286: but thats an older kernel..
[20:47] <Shawn286> your not reading what I am saying!
[20:48] <holstein> Shawn286: different kernels can have different driver support
[20:48] <holstein> Shawn286: have you tried nomodeset?
[20:48] <Shawn286> the smaller flash drive works, yet the bigger one doesn't on the p4
[20:49] <holstein> ok.. so, address it in hardware then.. only use the smaller one
[20:49] <Shawn286> ..
[20:49] <Shawn286> I'm going to make a smaller persistent file
[20:49] <Shawn286> instead of 4 GBs I will make it around 3 or 2
[20:49] <holstein> go for it..
[20:49] <holstein> i typically just do normal installs to the stick and not persistent installs.. with grub right on the stick
[20:50] <wxl> ditto
[20:50] <Shawn286> well I want grub on the stick, but idk how to get it on there
[20:51] <holstein> you can do that with the mini iso pretty easily. i'll just not install grub when installing the os, or i'll take the sticks to hardware that has no other drives physically in the unit
[21:40] <caphomial> Hello
[21:40] <wxl> o/
[21:42] <caphomial> i have a big problem :(((((((
[21:42] <genii> !details
[21:43] <caphomial> I download a 2D games (mmorpg) tar.bin gz I do not know how to install it
[21:43] <wxl> oh boy
[21:43] <wxl> they don't offer a package for it?
[21:43] <wxl> because without that it will be difficult to keep up to date with your package manager
[21:44] <caphomial> i want install it : http://download.dofus.com/full/linux/
[21:44] <wxl> and if it's source code you're going to have to install a bunch of stuff just to build it
[21:44] <wxl> which is to say it's not a simple task
[21:45] <caphomial> i do not understand :(
[21:45] <wxl> !info dofus
[21:45] <wxl> harumph
[21:45] <wxl> !info Dofus
[21:46]  * wxl scratches head
[21:46] <wxl> is ubuntu apps something different????
[21:47] <caphomial> i have lubuntu
[21:47] <wxl> lubuntu is ubuntu
[21:47] <holstein> caphomial: whatever works for ubuntu will work for lubuntu.. ppa's, or whatever else the manufacturer might suggest or offer
[21:48] <caphomial> its good <3
[21:48] <caphomial> what is process for install ,
[21:48] <wxl> it's right here https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/dofus/
[21:48] <holstein> caphomial: ask them
[21:48] <holstein> caphomial: usually there is documentation.. do the provide any?
[21:48] <genii> !info dofus partner
[21:48] <genii> Hm
[21:49] <wxl> see it's weird
[21:49] <wxl> it's not in packages
[21:49] <wxl> it exists supposedly on 12.04 on
[21:49] <genii> Yep
[21:50] <wxl> caphomial: open a terminal and find that file, then `tar xzvf DofusInstall-x86.tar.gz` and then run `/DofusInstall-x86/Dofus/bin/Dofus`
[21:50] <wxl> but there should be a more normal way to do this
[21:52] <caphomial> i dont have software centre
[21:52] <wxl> ↑
[21:53] <caphomial> he say dont have file if i write this in terminal
[21:54] <wxl> caphomial: like i said, you have to find the file and be in that directory. `cd ~/Downloads` will probably get you there
[21:56] <holstein> caphomial:  seems relevant..
[21:56] <holstein> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YJxKbmpedk
[21:57] <caphomial> i am on 32 bits;;;
[21:57] <caphomial> OKOK
[21:57] <caphomial> I dont understand
[21:57] <caphomial> not problem linux it's not for me
[21:57] <holstein> caphomial: you can just use the 64bit guide, friend..
[21:57] <caphomial> so difficult
[21:58] <holstein> caphomial: the creators of the program can support linux for you
[21:58] <holstein> caphomial: this is not a linux issue.. its that you dont have a simple linux option from the creators ofthe software
[22:00] <caphomial> I just install Lubuntu tonight, I really like but it parrait me hyper complicated I can not even install a simple game ...
[22:01] <caphomial> I do not understand how to install a program I can not find executable file
[22:01] <holstein> caphomial: sure, but its not up to lubuntu to facilitate the installation
[22:01] <holstein> caphomial: lubuntu is not preventing them from giving you an easy way to install
[22:02] <caphomial> support chat lubuntu for french people ,
[22:02] <holstein> !fr
[22:03] <holstein> caphomial: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[22:03] <holstein> caphomial: nothing is blocking you from haning here, and redirectingto a channel for chat about lubuntu in french. you are welcome to do so
[22:03] <holstein> hanging*
[22:03] <caphomial> thank !
[22:03] <caphomial> very
[22:04] <caphomial> the saloon french have not personn,
[22:04] <holstein> i dont speak french, so i cannot provide that service
[22:04] <holstein> caphomial: i cannot create a community for you in your language.. i can only volunteer here
[22:05] <holstein> this is in french.. http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/dofus
[22:05] <caphomial> I know very well thank you for your help, the french channel is empty?
[22:05] <holstein> caphomial: the french guide i just linked. http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/dofus
[22:05] <holstein> caphomial: i cant make french speakers join the community..
[22:06] <caphomial> thank you for your help
[22:07] <holstein> sure. good luck. let the dofus community know you are having a hard time, and would like an easier way to run the software in linux/ubuntu
[22:09] <caphomial> the sound will work with games?
[22:10] <caphomial> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/dofus IS VERRY GOOD ;)
[22:10] <caphomial> debian package its easy!
[22:10] <wxl> yep
[22:10] <holstein> caphomial: nothing in lubuntu is preventin the sound from working
[22:11] <holstein> preventing*
[22:11] <holstein> caphomial: if the sound can work, it will..
[22:11] <caphomial> good