=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === ycheng-afk is now known as ycheng [03:29] morning [03:38] !devices [03:38] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [03:48] popey: So far in following the porting guide, I've found the link to the CyanogenMod porting document to be really useful for context. The section on Enabling a New Device mentions a local manifest file called "roomservice.xml", but doesn't really explain what a local manifest is, or that you won't have a roomservice.xml file with a fresh sync, or that you'll never have one unless you create it manually, or th [03:48] at you can create as many xml files as you want and call them anything as long as they are in local_manifests. [03:49] Without reading some of the CM docs, I'd be clueless. Maybe the reference to the CM doc should go at the top. Or be better referenced in places where context is unclear. [03:53] can you guys fix the brightness control, so it stays at 100% when reboot? [03:54] or where can i edit myself? [04:25] morning to all [04:25] Night [07:26] good morning === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:27] Morning all [08:46] Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Chocolate Day! :-D [08:50] JamesTait: woo, chocolate day! [08:51] speaking of chocolate, is libcanberra the way to go to play event sounds? [08:51] * Chipaca is using paplay for now [08:53] Chipaca, you might want to ask charles about it once he's up, I think libcanberra is not the way on the phone, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1283065 for a similar question [08:53] Ubuntu bug 1283065 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Use the existing audio stack to play event sounds" [High,Triaged] [08:53] seb128: I imagined it wasn't, because otherwise (as I figured it) libcanberra-pulse would be installed === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [08:58] seb128: thanks [08:58] Chipaca, yw! [08:59] nearly 4am and he isn't working. the laziness of some people! === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === ycheng is now known as ycheng-afk [09:31] Is Ubuntu Touch still working on Nexus 7 2012? [09:31] Is it a known problem/should I file a bug - when I get the welcome wizard screen, get to the wifi screen and input password, while I do this, the wizard relaunches, so I need to again go from start like selecting the country) while the wifi password is correctly saved anyway. [09:35] karni: i've not seen that, take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bugs [09:36] tnx === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:16] charles: ping === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:22] Elleo, I finally got a silo for udm, will test and will approve asap [11:23] mandel: okay, great; thanks [11:23] Elleo, silo 12 FYI, you might want to test against it if you want [11:23] okay, thanks [11:23] Elleo, I added tests for the qml, I noticed we had some other issues.. and a mem leak! [11:24] erk [11:24] Elleo, we have tests now and I'll be taking care of that part of the code from now on [11:25] okay, cool [11:56] hi rsalveti, oSoMoN, do you have an idea why html5 apps appear as a black window on the i386 emulator? They run fine on the device and on the desktop (14.04), but they just show black on the emulator [11:56] it's really easy to reproduce: [11:56] - Start Qt Creator, press Ctrl+N, select "Ubuntu HTML5 app" [11:57] - Start an i386 emulator [11:57] - Press Ctrl+F12 to run it on the emulator [11:57] - See an app running with a black screent [11:58] not sure against which package to report it, either [11:59] popey, do you know if there is a bug already for the following => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZnMZ_XoV4 [12:00] popey, the first boot wizard crashes with wep enabled wifis (although I suspect is any type of auth) [12:02] mandel: no, saw someone else mention something similar over the weekend though [12:03] i dont have any wep access points [12:03] popey, it might have been la_juyis who told me and I managed to reproduce it [12:03] popey, ok, I'll upgrade the dev propose and will see if it happens, else, do you know what is the project for that wizard? [12:04] mandel: ubuntu-system-settings [12:05] popey, ack [12:11] dpm, I’ll give it a try after lunch, I’ll keep you posted [12:11] oSoMoN, thank you [12:12] dpm, is the browser app working in the emulator, or does it exhibit the same issue? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:26] oSoMoN, sorry for the delay, no, the browser app works just fine on the emulator. It seems to affect only non-oxide apps? [12:34] rsalveti, hello :) === gnu is now known as Guest15617 [12:35] ogra_, sorry to ask this *again*, but how does one take a screenshot from the phone these days? [12:35] using phablet-screenshot as always [12:35] (make sure you have the latest version of phablet-tools) [12:36] oops [12:36] was missing - sudo apt-get install phablet-tools [12:36] ;) [12:36] :) [12:36] thanks ogra_ :) [12:36] np [12:36] lots of cool new stuff on the phone that I want to screenshot :) [12:36] shouldn't command-not-found tell you that? [12:36] seb128, well, I couldn't remember the command ;) [12:37] ogra_: will phablet-screenshot still work once adb is disabled? [12:37] rickspencer3, I see ;-) [12:37] popey, hmm, good question ... but phablet-tools is on my list [12:37] sadly, ogra has not installed the forgetful-manager-telepathy package on my computer yet [12:37] ok [12:37] glad its on your list [12:38] * ogra_ logs in to rickspencer3's computer to fixx that oversight [12:38] fwiw, I have set CTRL+ALT+` as a keyboard shortcut to phablet-screenshot ☻ [12:39] popey, I was thinking of writing a phone management gui for the desktop [12:39] dont we have that, qtcreator [12:39] screenshots would be a nice thing to add to that [12:39] popey, well, I was thinking a bit more end user focused [12:39] ah okay [12:39] do things like transcode videos into a format that phablet likes [12:39] yes, that would be handy [12:40] and putting them into the Videos directory [12:40] etc... [12:40] report free disk space ☻ [12:47] * ogra_ wants video streaming ... [12:48] * popey wants a pony and on-device screenshots using a key-combo [12:48] for bug reporting when I'm out and about [12:48] and bragging high scores ☻ [12:48] ++ [12:51] rickspencer3: you could always add a note to the greeter message on this channel :) Don't forget to install phablet-tools and phablet-screenshot takes the pretty pictures :D [12:51] davmor2, good idea [12:51] or, ogra_ could call me every morning and remind me [12:51] j/k [12:51] hahaha [12:52] no prob ... i can create a mup script to SMS you ;) [12:52] ogra_ creates a cronjob to adb into his phone and sms rickspencer3 [12:52] hahaha [12:52] timing [12:52] :) [12:53] rickspencer3: anyway telepathy is already on the phone so you only need ogra_ to install the forgetful-manager module :) [12:54] ogra_: seed it now ;) [12:54] oh, while you say seed [12:55] * ogra_ prepares a meta upload [12:55] popey, ogra_ let me know if you think I should add anything else to this: [12:55] https://plus.google.com/+RickSpencer/posts/XUE5N9tSDs9 [12:55] a little celebration of image 113 ;) [12:56] * ogra_ really finds the system-settings icon confusingly looking like a fil projector [12:56] *film [12:57] rickspencer3, probably a screenshot of dekko (teh imap mail client from teh store) [12:57] it also looks like Michael Bay has added lens flare [12:59] dpm, so oxide-based webapps work? [12:59] woah [12:59] oSoMoN, well, the browser is the only one I know, and it works :) [12:59] ogra_, ok, I'll check it out now [13:00] it isnt 100% done yet but looks great in screenshots :) [13:00] dpm, well, webapps use oxide under the hood with the right policy version [13:01] ogra_, I don;t see it int he store yet [13:01] oSoMoN, yeah, the twitter webapp works too [13:01] red icon with envelope [13:01] (it is definitely there) [13:03] dpm, so if it’s a webkit-specific issue, I’m afraid it’s an unsupported path [13:04] woah, I missed departments in the app store! [13:04] oSoMoN, I was fearing that, but thanks for the help [13:04] rickspencer3, well, they use crap categories ... seems just pulled from debian [13:04] still [13:05] but yeah, we are getting closer [13:05] dpm, which webapps specifically are a problem? we should try and get their authors to update the policy version [13:05] what i really dislike is that i cant just browse the store anymore with thaat [13:07] oSoMoN, not specifically webapps, HTML5 apps. The most pressing one is QtC's own HTML5 template. Eventunity is a really cool HTML5 app in the store, and it doesn't work in the emulator, either [13:07] so none of these work there, black screen [13:07] * rickspencer3 heads to downtown to co-working space [13:07] dpm, let me check something [13:08] oSoMoN, thanks. I'm running a presentation/demo today in BCN, I had given up on the emulator already, but if you'd know of any workaround, that'd be awesome [13:12] dpm, the default HTML5 app template specifies version 1.1 of the policy, that should be fine [13:23] oSoMoN, yeah, but the template still doesn't work. Nm, I won't demo the emulator and I'll investigate tomorrow [13:29] dpm, alex-abreu just confirmed that the html5 runtime hasn’t migrated to oxide yet, it’s still using QtWebKit… [13:32] [armhf] Merging seeds with available package lists... [13:32] No changes found [13:32] ogra@styx:~/Devel/packages/ubuntu-touch-meta-1.161$ [13:32] * ogra_ scratches head [13:32] popey, didnt you submit the seed change already ? [13:32] * ogra_ goes checking [13:33] oSoMoN: http://91.189.92.89/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Web/ look good to you? If so, I'll push it to production [13:35] mhall119, the documentation in the package features a brief that gives a high-level overview of what the module offers, would it be possible to have it in the online docs too? [13:35] oSoMoN: it would be pulled in if it was listed as a page in the qdoc .index file [13:36] mhall119, how do I generate such an index file? [13:37] qdoc does it for you, you have one, I'm checking it's content now [13:38] oSoMoN: are you referring to the default page that lists all the components? [13:40] mhall119, yes, it looks like this when I generate the doc locally: http://people.canonical.com/~osomon/ubuntu-web-doc/ubuntu-web-qmlmodule.html [13:41] mhall119, other than that, the doc looks good [13:43] alex-abreu: ping [13:46] cwayne, pong [13:46] cwayne, silo 003 is your answer :) [13:47] alex-abreu: awesome :D [13:48] so once that's in, we'd just need to register url click hooks for any specific webapp? [13:48] ogra_: yes [13:48] popey, well, it wasnt merged yet [13:48] cwayne, yes, well 2 things actually, I have a branch where I update the core webapps w/ the required bits https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/webapps-core/update-execline/+merge/225369 [13:48] popey, all fine now [13:48] ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-seeds/add-debugging-tools [13:49] thanks [13:49] alex-abreu: ah, brilliant, thank you :) [13:50] oSoMoN: ok, for the importer to get that content itwould need to be in a separate page [13:51] mhall119, it is in a separate page, see ubuntu-web.qdoc in the source tree [13:57] popey, oh ... [13:57] oh? [13:57] popey, why did you add tcptraceroute ... thats obsolete since years and tracepath should be on the image already [13:57] oh balls [13:57] oh, no [13:58] it isnt, sorry [13:58] didnt think i found any network trace things before I added it [13:58] maybe not in my path? [13:58] no, its not on the image ... interesting [13:58] i thought that was in ubuntu-minimal or -standard already [13:58] ignore me :P [13:59] heh [14:00] robru: ping (can we get landing-014 published? just tested it here and I'm prettys ure i dont have permissions to publish) [14:09] ogra_: heya, any chance that lightdm.override of mine is landing soon? [14:10] * ogra_ checks his pending MPs [14:10] cwayne, oh, that one ... yeah, i can do that later today i guess [14:12] Wellark, hello, is this a flacky test? => https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179467141/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-ppc64el.connectivity-api_0.0.1%2B14.10.20140707-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [14:23] ogra_: would it make sense to set the phablet password in the "Developer Mode" setting? For the very few SDK tools what need sudo the interactive mode is not an option. [14:25] ok. issue time with the stock ubuntu-filesystem download from cdimage.ubuntu combined with my custom-compiled cyanogen kernel/android bits for the galaxy nexus (I'm trying to figure out if it is actually suitable for ongoing use despite the january revision of supported devices) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [14:26] specifically issue 1 is that urfkilld seems to fail to run entirely - I've tried with the -d debug switch and there's zero output - it exits with exit-code 1 [14:27] this is with the july 4th (113?) image [14:29] I guess I'm just unsure what I can do to diagnose - it could be an incompatibility with my kernel/android bits or it could be that rfkilld is b0rked in the image (but I'd imagine others would have noticed if the latter was the case) [14:31] in praise news though the newer (as compared to the last official release for the gnex - maguro) is a big leap and much more betterer - amazing what a few months' of you-guys' time has achieved [14:39] oSoMoN: ok, so the issue is that the .index lists that page as type "qmlmodule" rather than "page", and that subtype is used for navigation pages, which the API website provides on it's own so it doesn't use them [14:58] nik90_: pong [15:11] charles: hey [15:11] charles: during my testing of alarm sounds, I do not get the correct sound value of a saved alarm [15:12] charles: it always returns an empty string [15:12] charles: before a saving a new alarm, I ensure that alarm.sound property is the correct file path [15:13] charles: but after opening a saved alarm, the alarm sound is an empty url [15:14] nik90_, can you reproduce the problem manually; eg, using qdbus or dbus-send? [15:14] that would be a good midpoint for cutting the problem space in half [15:16] mterry: bug #1323732> no, I haven't; I understood that this was post-RTM, is there a deadline for this that I need to know? [15:16] charles: how do you use dbus-send to debug this? [15:16] bug 1323732 in adduser (Ubuntu) "adduser should support managing additional password/shadow/group files from libnss-extrausers" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323732 [15:16] mterry, soo ... the lockscreen ... if i use a pattern to unlock or a number how will that be reflected in /etc/shadow [15:16] nik90_, oh wait I think I'm talking about a different thing. You're not talking about the default sound property that just got exposed; you're talking about the per-alarm sounds, yes? [15:16] slangasek, no, it is essential for developer mode [15:16] charles: yeah I am talking about the per-alarm sounds [15:16] slangasek, (see my last mail to the ubuntu-phone ML) [15:16] so you set alarm.sound, save it out, and then the next time when you load it in, you see an empty string instead? [15:17] charles: indeed [15:17] ogra_, could we not just set the device up in livecd-rootfs for libnss-extrausers ourselves? Using PAM to set/check the password will work after initial user creation with extrausers right? [15:17] mterry, the prob is that adduser doesnt operate on the extra files [15:17] ogra_, i.e. could we manually do the work that adduser would do to support libnss-extrausers by putting some files in place [15:17] mterry, but back to my above question, what will i type in for "sudo" if the user uses a pattern or number for unlocking [15:18] charles: unfortunately the new clock app is not yet ready to be run on a device or emulator. So I cannot test if the alarm goes of with the chosen alarm sound. [15:18] nik90_, that is probably a question more for renato than me but the first thing I'd look at is [15:18] charles: hence I instead opened the saved alarm and read the alarm properties [15:18] mterry, no, for dev mode i need to update the password on security team demand [15:18] ogra_: and developer mode is tied to RTM? [15:18] slangasek, yes [15:18] ok [15:18] then I'll look at it this week [15:18] ogra_, plan is for a PIN to be a normal password -- like 1234 could be entered in a login prompt [15:18] * ogra_ hugs slangasek [15:18] nik90_, after saving the alarm out, go into the actual tasks file saved by EDS and confirm that it gets saved there [15:18] thanks slangasek! [15:19] charles: ah [15:19] mterry, and for a pattern ? [15:19] charles: where is the tasks file saved? [15:19] ogra_, I don't know what we want to do for the pattern and sudo... pattern isn't for RTM [15:19] or did we drop the plans to have that in RTM [15:19] phew [15:19] ok [15:19] nik90_, when I tested per-alarm sounds for indicator-datetime, I did it just by hardwiring "alarm.sound = /some/path" and that WfM, but I didn't do further clock-app testing with it eg reloading editing re-saving [15:20] nik90_: in ~/.local/share/evolution/ [15:20] nik90_: in ~/.local/share/evolution/tasks/${some-random-name}/tasks.ics [15:20] charles: did you give the path as "some/path" or "file:///some/path" ? [15:21] nik90_, + alarm.sound = '/usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/ringtones/Koto chords.ogg' [15:21] charles: thnx [15:22] charles: hmm on looking at task.ics, I see DESCRIPTION:file:///usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/ringtones/Suru arpeggio.ogg [15:22] charles: which means I saved the correct alarm sound [15:23] charles: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/7760597/ look good? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:24] nik90_, yes, the important part is the valarm component with the audio attachment [15:25] I don't understand why the VTODO's description was set to the audio file though... that seems pointless [15:25] charles: ok. I will check then with renato as to why the alarm sound isn't returned property to the SDK Alarms object [15:25] charles: let me check with another new alarm to see if VTODO's description changes or not [15:26] charles: nope..same behaviour..I will point that out as well to renato [15:26] ah, wrt the description, ubunt-ui-toolkit does it on purpose: [15:27] // save the sound as description as the audible reminder may be off [15:27] event.setDescription(alarm.sound.toString()); === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [15:27] ok [15:28] nik90_, this might be a clue to your empty string as well: is "alarm.enabled" true on the alarm you're saving? [15:29] charles: yes, I set that explicitly [15:29] nik90_, darn :-) [15:31] when is a new dropping-letters going to make it to the store/image? [15:33] seb128: hi. I'm removing the qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-settings-components-assets package from ubuntu-settings-components and moving everything into the exising qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-settings-components package. Do i need to add a conflicts and replaces relationship in the debian/control? like so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7760653/ ? [15:33] been told you know about dpkg stuff :) [15:36] dednick, https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition [15:37] dednick, you are in case #11 [15:38] seb128: ah. thanks! [15:38] yw ;-) [15:40] charles: just tried the new transfer indicator; looking pretty cool, I noticed it doesn't launch apps when a transfer is selected yet though; is there anything you need from our side to help support that? [15:42] charles: also as a minor thing it seems to flicker a bit between displaying the transfer progress and the "Empty!" label when a download is actually taking place [15:55] why is the new version of payui not included in the latest image? [15:55] dobey, because nobody uploaded the click package to the store ? [15:56] ogra_: 0.2.6 is in the store. it showed as an update with #113, and is still showing as an available update on #116 [15:56] then it will be in 117 [15:57] ok [16:00] jdstrand, sorry to ping you, could you assign this bug to oSoMon? He asked me to do this, but I'm not in Oxide team and I can't assign this to him [16:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1338639 [16:00] Ubuntu bug 1338639 in Oxide "Oxide segfault in reminders app" [Undecided,New] [16:07] rpadovani: done [16:07] thanks! [17:00] alecu, dobey can I have another review for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/unity-scope-click/udm-rebuild/+merge/225487 it was not just a simple rebuild === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:26] Where can I find last devel image for maguro (from before development was discontinued)? I can't find it. It seems to me that it is not in trusty or stable channels. [17:27] bsnv, should be version 188 in --channel ubuntu-touch/trusty [17:29] ogra_ Thx! I'l try installing it today. [17:29] dont expect much though [17:29] it will run like molasses ... and is far behind [17:30] (fature wise) [17:30] *feature [17:38] ogra_: speaking of which, I've got the 113 landing image installed on mine [17:38] ogra_: you're right about molasses [17:39] ogra_: I'm trying to work out why urfkill won't start atm [17:40] bsnv: I can try to figure out how to build an installable image of what I've got but not much phone-like functionality works atm [17:43] ogra_: as far as molasses are concerned, I get the impression that unity works fine and responsively to touch, but apps for some reason don't get the input from those touches until many many seconds later [17:44] the system is not under heavy load either with cpu% about 20 max [17:44] more often than not it's idle [17:47] mandel: why did you vote needs fixing on your own branch? [17:48] diddledan, I was thinking of flashing the last devel image and just using it, like i used to do. (I reflashed the device 2 days ago and want Ubuntu back! ;) ) I'm interested in contributing to support the device if i can. I just dont know if i know enough have enough skills. Hardest code I ever written so far was a retarded malloc() . [17:49] bsnv: I probably know less than you then :-p [17:49] I don't touch C if I can help it :-p [17:50] diddledan, That would mean that I could do something meaningfull. :D I like C. [17:52] as to building an image - the porting guide doesn't help there _at all_ - it says use rootstock to flash onto your device but doesn't tell how to create an image for distribution - rootstock copies various bits onto the device and moves things about rather than creating an image and flashing that [17:53] depending on where the issues are, C is probably not very necessary. [17:54] dobey: the main issue I believe I have right now, other than building a redistributable image, is urfkilld refuses to start [17:54] there's zero log message from it which helps enormously [17:55] Ok. So where to start? [17:59] i'd start with the slowness problems if i were trying to use a phone. modem doesn't much matter if it takes you 10 minutes to just dial the number :) [18:01] I have no idea where to start looking [18:03] as I say the system isn't noticably under load when it's going slow [18:03] dobey, So what update maked maguro so unresponsive? Up until now i did not have any major problems wit speed. It was a litle laggy through. [18:04] i have no idea [18:24] hrmm, speaking of slow, system updates seem to be incredibly slow to download lately :-/ [18:24] although, this is on my n5, so maybe it's tassader's server being slow [18:31] cyphermox, ping [18:31] pong?\ [18:32] cyphermox, Hi, this bug was reported to the music-app this morning and we believe it is todo with pulseaudio and not the music-app. https://bugs.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+bug/1336277 [18:32] Ubuntu bug 1336277 in PulseAudio "Audio player app need to restart to use re-connected a2dp speaker" [Undecided,New] [18:32] cyphermox, jhodapp said you would be best to let know [18:32] just a second [18:55] bfiller: on the 3rd you said that camera roll share worked with both messaging and Facebook. How do you activate the facebook part I can only see messaging? [18:55] davmor2: need the new facebook app which is in the store but not yet approved apparently [18:56] bfiller: ah okay that makes me happier then :) [19:06] bfiller, what's holding up the approval of the facebook webapp? do we just need to call popey names until he approves it? [19:07] :-D [19:07] or is there more to it? [19:07] kenvandine: there was some issue dholbach found, alex-abreu do you recall what this was and how we resolve it? [19:10] kenvandine, about the click review tool that rejected it somehow, and one other about OA I think [19:11] alex-abreu, is someone tracking getting it resolved? [19:11] kenvandine, me ... :), but I cannot push the click webapps, ... it is tied to dbarth [19:12] is dbarth out? [19:12] bfiller: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7761608/ [19:12] thats the feedback dholbach gave in the store [19:13] kenvandine, yes for the week [19:13] and its tied to dbarth's account, so only he can upload a new fixed version it seems [19:13] ugh! [19:13] * kenvandine needs to find a reason to blame popey :-D [19:14] popey: we can't delete that one and let someone else uploade a newer version? [19:15] kenvandine, I might need to MR a newer version of the click, that would silent at least one warning, and when I am done w/ my branch make the transition better [19:17] alex-abreu, cool, let me know if i can help [19:17] bfiller: it's _possible_ beuno or james_w JamesTait (pinging everyone) may be able to fudge something? [19:17] the namespace is com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-facebook_1.0.13.2_all.click so not tied to dbarth [19:17] but he uploaded it [19:18] I don't know who else could do the necessary (I can't). [19:18] beuno: is the best person to poke though IMO [19:18] * beuno reads [19:18] well [19:18] it should have been a shared account [19:19] and not dbarth's personal account :) [19:19] dobey, is bug 1338656 really a dup of bug 1337864? [19:19] bug 1337864 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1338656 Apps missing in some store categories" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337864 [19:19] bug 1337864 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Apps missing in some store categories" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337864 [19:19] let me see what can be done cheaply [19:19] popey: I can upload a newer version [19:19] alex-abreu: do we know how to fix the issue? I guess that's the first question [19:21] bfiller, the first one yes, ... the second one need Jamie I guess [19:21] mterry: yes i think so. at least they are describing the same problem to me, of "i can't just randomly discover apps that aren't in a highlight" [19:21] bfiller, so no need for me? [19:22] beuno: is it fine to just upload a newer version? [19:22] dobey, I feel like one is wanting a new set of highlights and the other wants a way to find things not in highlights [19:22] bfiller, if you have access to the account that owns com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.*, yes [19:23] mterry: at least, i think for now they are. if after the solution we're currently discussing/working on gets landed, we can perhaps reopen and discuss further if it doesn't solve from your POV [19:23] but it looks like it's owned by dbarth [19:23] so what I can do [19:23] is if you guys create a new, shared account [19:23] in the developer portal [19:23] dobey, alright, whatever you folks like [19:23] I can re-assign ownership [19:23] and then you guys go crazy [19:24] beuno: I like that :) [19:24] beuno, you rock! [19:24] it's the right thing to do anyway [19:24] so just let me know what the account email is when it's created [19:24] just glad beuno has the mojo :) [19:24] beuno, that would be awesome [19:24] mterry: well, i can tell you that the solution we're working on is to make all the apps in each department be browsable, and not just add more highlights (because more highlights still doesn't solve the core problem of some apps not being in highlights) [19:25] I'm just showing off that I have admin access. [19:25] kenvandine, bfiller so I'll fix the remaining small issues that I can, & check w/ the OA bit and then we can upload [19:25] thanks beuno [19:25] alex-abreu: that's great, thanks alex-abreu. I will create the account now [19:25] I like pinging people, going away to eat dinner, and coming back to solved problems \m/ [19:25] bfiller: so that means the new facebook should be in tomorrows image and I can try it out then right ? [19:25] bfiller, alex-abreu: thanks, i feel better knowing we have a plan :) [19:26] kenvandine, definitely ! [19:26] mterry: i'm a bit surprised we don't have significantly more dupes though :) [19:26] popey, can i still call you names? [19:26] davmor2: if all goes well [19:26] awesome [19:26] kenvandine: of course [19:26] /ignore kenvandine [19:26] oops [19:26] * kenvandine needs to wait a bit to catch popey off-guard [19:27] kenvandine: you only get to call popey names if you ply him beer on sprints [19:27] We can tell you've been on holiday ☻ [19:27] dobey, that still doesn't solve the problem of my bug (a way to see new apps easily) [19:27] i'll ply him beer :) [19:27] popey, the first day back is always overwhelming... and now i'm a little punchy :) [19:27] with beer even [19:28] haha [19:28] bfiller, alex-abreu, kenvandine, suggested email addresses are ones with shared passwords or private mailing lists with restricted access (that would allow non-member emails to be whitelisted) [19:29] in general, an IS-controlled email is probably the most future-proof [19:29] but that may be a bit fiddly to do quickly [19:29] mterry: it depends on how "all apps" are sorted i think (and i think they might be sorted newest first) [19:29] mterry: if they aren't we can un-dupe [19:29] beuno: can I just create a gmail account and use that? [19:29] kenvandine: no not overwhelming, processors are developed to run at 300% plus. Only worry if your machine starts smoking from the catchup period :) [19:29] bfiller, you can, but remember these are apps shipped as part of the phone [19:29] so those credentials matter [19:30] if you create it and keep the password to yourself, it's just a bit better than the situation with dbarth [19:30] bfiller: fwiw the core apps are all uploaded by a gmail account [19:31] IIRC, core apps have a mailing list as an address [19:31] ah [19:31] nope ☻ [19:31] you guys are mavericks. [19:31] pew pew pew! [19:31] beuno: if I use gmail with a strong password and share with alex-abreu, dbarth and kenvandine we should be good enough? [19:32] bfiller, yes, better than where we are today for sure [19:32] I guess all of this is just a hack until I implement shared namespaces [19:32] WHICH IS COMING [19:32] just not RTM material [19:32] popey: you need a unicode gun with the bang flag [19:32] beuno: cool, thanks [19:33] we need an emoji font just for this http://www.iemoji.com/view/emoji/376/objects/pistol [19:34] popey: +1 go make it happen [19:35] until you do I blame popey (TM) that we don't have it ;) [19:49] dobey, because I don't want people to come after been and set it approved when I'm not watching [19:49]