[05:14] * Kilos waves to the early birds [05:45] More almal [05:47] more bduk [07:19] morning all [07:49] Testing [07:50] success [07:50] :D [07:51] jmIrc works [07:55] sigh [07:55] hi Golynx- JabberwockyA19 bushtech superfly inetpro [07:55] Hi Kilos [07:56] hi Kilos, Golynx- [07:56] Maaz: coffee on [07:56] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [07:56] hi charl [07:56] Hi charl [07:56] morning Kilos [07:56] My pc is frozen lol [07:56] i missed cantide yesterday [07:56] môre Kilos [07:56] cyber coffee doesnt warm you like real coffee on a cold day [07:56] hi bushtech [07:57] hi bushtech, JabberwockyA19 [07:57] hi charl [07:57] Golynx-, thats not funny man, whats broken [07:57] oh frozen, whew eyes see what they want [07:58] everything was frozen here this morning [07:58] Lol Kilos its too cold to work on the pc [07:59] Mountains around here are blanket in white [07:59] eish === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle [08:00] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:00] JmIrc i havnt used in years [08:00] but its warmer from mobile [08:01] hahaha hot water bottles on lap and feet help [08:01] Maaz: thanks [08:01] charl: Okay :-) [08:02] hey you clever okes tell me [08:02] ups uses a serial data cable to get into it right? [08:03] does anyone have one so i can get info [08:03] i want to know does the ribbon cable cross over from one plug to the next [08:03] Lol [08:03] i want to make one up [08:10] Damn whatsapp needs a password in pidgin [08:11] Golynx-: I just gave up on that [08:11] please let me know if you find an easy way around that [08:12] me too [08:13] hi Vince-0 [08:14] JabberwockyA19 : there is software that can sniff the password on android and ios, but that leads to whatsapp kicking you out of the service after a while [08:14] o/ [08:14] Its looks impossible though [08:15] need to setup a proxy of some sort :-/ it wont be easy [08:41] hi all [08:41] why are you all so determined on getting whatsapp to work on the desktop ? [08:41] if they wanted it to work on the desktop they would have made an official client or made it easier to get the password from the app [08:41] hi superfly [08:42] rather use xmpp instead, run an xmpp server and whatever client you want both on the mobile and the desktop [08:42] then you have full control over it, and you can secure it too [08:42] charl I think it's a design problem from whatsapp side, afaik they changed their policy but not their internal arch [08:43] i find all these mobile-specific services stupid in any case, services should be device-neutral [08:43] and they should have a good api so that anyone can create a client, be it proprietary or open source (preferably the latter of course) [08:43] that can run on any platform [08:44] the amount of people using whatsapp vs xmpp makes it impossible for me to use xmpp, and its just very slow typing on my phone vs keyboard [08:44] i agree with you 100% [08:44] but we have to live in a world with people that don't know that :P [08:44] i've heard the same argument about facebook, but for some reason, i manage to survive perfectly fine without either that or whatsapp [08:45] i dunno how i can do it and other can't ... [08:45] I've wanted to delete whatsapp multiple times, but it's just not practical for me at this stage [08:45] maybe i'm just a stereotypical germanic person :) [08:45] stubborn and hard-headed [08:45] hehe :) [08:46] as flexible as stalin [08:46] it's better to say away [08:47] I plan to use tox.im in the "near future" [08:48] looking [08:50] looks really cool [08:51] but it's a pity that they are creating yet another island on their own by relying on peer to peer / bittorrent technology [08:51] with DHT etc instead of just going with the existing standard (XMPP) [08:51] i think i'm going to try it though [09:04] installed venom now, still very rough and buggy [09:04] but it's only version 0.2.0 [09:04] did you use the cli? [09:05] no the gui [09:05] ah toxic [09:05] * nuvolari votes for googlechat :P [09:06] device agnostic ever since I can remember [09:06] google hangout moved away from xmpp right? [09:06] yeah :( [09:06] only get invites now [09:06] but 1-on-1 still supports it [09:08] thats neat, i've got the hangout client on my phone though [09:09] using IRC gateway bitlbee to do xmpp-through-irc :P [09:09] so using irc client for most xmpp-chats/google chat [09:09] I used to do that too @ bitbee [09:09] as long as it's based off open standards and everybody can create their own client it's perfectly suitable for use on the public internet [09:10] as long as you do not get vendor lockin [09:10] unlike flash for example *puke* [09:11] speaking about vendor lockin, I had to install windows 8.1 on a 4tb hdd with an old motherboard (more puke) [09:12] UEFI and secure boot crap :o( [09:13] can't you disable secure boot ? [09:13] i also have uefi on my desktop workstation but ubuntu 14.04 works perfectly with secure boot disabled [09:14] actually i never even tried to enable it in the first place, was disabled already when i got it (ubuntu pre-installed by dell) [09:28] the old motherboards doesn't have secure boot, ubuntu works fine but windows only supports MBR paritions without secure boot [09:29] for > 2TB paritions you'll need to use something like GPT and yeah... vendor lockin to the max [09:32] I could not work around the boot problem, just used a smaller drive to boot :( [10:11] haha just stepped on sisters toe, she says np she got duplicates of those on the other foot [10:11] toes [12:38] * mazal peeks in for a bit [12:44] hi mazal [12:44] Gaanit oom ? [12:44] for the miners interest, look at mine depth [12:44] http://picpaste.com/del/YcYXiWM5/screenshot_282643349-6HPRg38W.png [12:45] goed dankie en self mazal ? [12:45] Wat is daai ? 'n Ander minetest ? [12:47] selle een [12:47] Prentjie is bk te klein om te sien wat aangaan [12:47] dis my myn by the DEEP [12:47] Ah ok [12:48] dis 4k ondergrong [12:48] ish [12:48] ek sal try dit vol scerm maal of naby [12:49] Hoekom so diep gaan oom ? [12:49] Na 1024 kry mens mos nie meer nuwe goete nie ? [12:50] ek weet nie ek dink daar is meer van als daar diep [12:50] en ek soek daai nyan cat ding [12:50] Het oom al Mithril gekry ? Sulke pers goed ? [12:50] ek het baie [12:51] maak lekker pikke om naby lava te werk [12:51] Ek het nog niks gesien nie , seker baie diep daai goete [12:51] stadiger as n mese pik en hou langer [12:52] baai almal [12:52] Ja nee , tyd om huiswaarts te gaan. [12:52] mooi llop julle [12:52] Bye everyone , lekker aand oom [12:52] dankie jy ook [13:28] goeie more [13:43] hellp inetpro how are you [13:43] hello as well [13:59] Hello Kilos [13:59] hello guys [13:59] how are you today [13:59] hi arnaudmez howsit? [13:59] cool bro cool [13:59] well ty and you? [13:59] how is ubuntu and the ZA room [14:00] we all good i think, just evey year the working guys seem to have less time [14:14] FINALLY [14:14] * Symmetria boots the install for the new kenya mirror server for the first time [14:14] :P via DRAC [14:15] god these servers take a while to boot [14:18] we are all working Kilos, even you [14:18] i call it contributing [14:18] HAHA [14:18] Symmetria: what servers ? [14:19] heh Dell R720 [14:19] with 192gigs of ram [14:19] attached to 160 terabytes of SAS storage [14:19] SJOE [14:19] what will soon be mirror.liquidtelecom.com [14:19] ;p [14:20] heh over a million bux worth of hardware [14:22] this is kinda cool, I'm installing it over iDRAC from my house [14:23] and because of the speed of my net connection its having no issues with the remote mounted cd image [14:23] lol, its installing faster than if it was coming off a CD :P [14:36] very nice Symmetria [14:37] heh, just takes *AGES* to boot, when it starts initilizing all the disk space, ram, firmware images and other crap [14:38] no matter how fast any operating system boots, doesnt matter if the box itself takes a month of sundays to init before boot [14:48] Symmetria: that's just a dream coming to life [14:49] guys i tried to go that route but now i just end up going Cloud [14:50] arnaudmez: i don't know if it's the same in s.africa but if you use the term "cloud" amoung technical folks where i live you might end up getting laughed at [14:51] it has gotten to be a marketing b*ll term now that has little to no meaning whatsoever [14:53] bbl [14:58] charl: thanks for that :-) i will remember [14:58] but i' not in S. Africa at all [14:59] in Congo where i am when u say Cloud among the Techies they start dreaming and want to ear what you have to say [14:59] different perception of the same thing :-) [15:05] Symmetria, let me know when its going so i can run mtr to it [15:06] Kilos: always good thanks, just a bit cold [15:06] and colder weather on its way inetpro [15:07] maybe max of 14 [15:07] and - in the dark time [15:07] Symmetria: yeah but tell us if it wont cause you any issue [15:08] guys what network tools/method can you advice for a person who want to do network troubleshooting ? [15:08] i mean a person running linux [15:08] arnaudmez, have you got your loco going yet? [15:09] Kilos: not yet, time issues i think i will take it by next month and setup a proper thing [15:09] what trouble shooting do you want to do, ask Symmetria thats his game [15:09] huho [15:10] he is a networking specialist [15:10] i mean i'm busy setting up a small office wwith couple of devices on it, maybe setup a linunx server also but still it's a project [15:10] so i'm quickly writing a list of necessary CLI tools that can help a network admin [15:11] so what trouble shooting, you mean if it breaks down? [15:12] i only know 2 things with networking ping and mtr hehe [15:13] here is a nice one to test with [15:13] mtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.8 [15:16] arnaudmez, you can point it at any address to see packet losses and stuff [15:19] Kilos: i knew that one but not with arguments [15:19] was using it just as it comes [15:19] mtr 8.8.8.8 [15:20] AHA, I got the damn interface up once I figured out what the fuck the interface name was :P [15:20] ah [15:21] heh, I have never seen such wierd interface names [15:21] its on interface p5p4 [15:30] Symmetria: i see it everytime dear, mine is p3p1 [15:31] em1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:ea [15:31] em2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:eb [15:31] em3 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:ec [15:31] em4 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:ed [15:31] lo Link encap:Local Loopback [15:31] p2p1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:58 [15:31] p2p2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:59 [15:31] p2p3 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:5a [15:31] p2p4 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:5b [15:31] p3p1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr a0:36:9f:44:e0:4c [15:31] p3p2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr a0:36:9f:44:e0:4e [15:31] guys i have also discover a nice command to show interfaces on linux (guess some of you knows them) [15:31] p5p1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f0 [15:31] p5p2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f1 [15:31] p5p3 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f2 [15:31] p5p4 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f3 [15:31] LOL [15:32] just type: ip a [15:32] p3p1 and p3p2 are 10G NIC's [15:32] the rest are 1G nic's [15:32] Symmetria: means p5p4 are ? [15:35] those are more 1G interfaces [15:35] this thing has a LOT of interfaces [15:35] ;p [15:37] Symmetria: i agreee [15:39] someone screwed up though and didn't put in all the ram :( [15:39] root@mirror:/mirror# free [15:39] total used free shared buffers cached [15:39] Mem: 198048760 2361744 195687016 1036 77956 829680 [15:39] -/+ buffers/cache: 1454108 196594652 [15:39] Swap: 9764860 0 9764860 [15:39] and still waiting for all the SAN's to be connected [15:42] lol, best thing about this mirror server [15:42] pinging my house from it: [15:42] 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9007ms [15:42] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.908/1.173/1.499/0.196 ms [15:43] (197.155.77.1 if anyone wants to ping it from .za) [15:46] 64 bytes from 197.155.77.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=381 ms [15:46] 64 bytes from 197.155.77.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=442 ms [15:46] 64 bytes from 197.155.77.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=379 ms [15:50] Symmetria, http://slexy.org/view/s21SUz3WFR [16:11] ugh [16:11] what ISP is that [16:11] 3g [16:11] guys i've foudn this http://linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/consistent_network_device_naming_in_linux.pdf [16:12] Kilos: how can i ask the bot to make it short please ? [16:12] vodacom? cause its going international :( [16:12] maaz shorten http://linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/consistent_network_device_naming_in_linux.pdf [16:12] Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/mUBaMp [16:12] telkom 8ta Symmetria [16:12] Kilos: thank you so muc [16:12] so much [16:13] yw [16:13] anyone who isn't behind telkom/vodacom who can do a trace/ping to 197.155.77.1? [16:13] telkom / vodacom are still being asshats about peering :P [16:13] ill get you an equivalent to 8.8.8.8 [16:13] 8.8.8.8 will end at google za pop so thats not really a valid test :( [16:13] telkom peers with google [16:14] well give another addy to try [16:15] will be same thing to anywhere outside of .za, Telkom doesnt peer so if you wanna go to anywhere in africa from them you gonna go via europe [16:15] because they are asshats :P [16:16] i dont know about all that stuff but know at times i have bad latency when playing an online game in za [16:17] and at others its instant [16:17] dont know how to pin point where the weak link is [16:18] then i can complain [16:18] peeps on adsl dont have the same problem [16:28] Kilos: please mtr syn73.com [16:29] ok [16:29] arnaudmez whats your ping to 197.155.77.1 [16:30] Symmetria: http://slexy.org/view/s21qQgekdk [16:30] urgh what connectivity are you on? which ISP? [16:30] arnaudmez, http://slexy.org/view/s2dvpj81YD [16:31] Kilos: that one i like [16:31] no loss [16:31] yip not too bad [16:33] Symmetria: http://slexy.org/view/s2061Rep4H [16:33] seems like you are losing packets at certain point [16:33] aahh you're coming from off continent thats why latency is so high [16:36] Symmetria: i'm in africa currently but not in SA [16:36] :-) [16:36] Kilos: i've got a nice command for you ethtool -i [16:37] you get nice details about your interface [16:37] ethtool --help [16:37] hey sorry wasn't for here [16:37] im lost there arnaudmez what interface do i want to look at? [16:38] Kilos: just in case you want to know more about your network interface [16:38] oh ok ty [16:39] Kilos: i've got this for my network card http://slexy.org/view/s20lwkXf6o [16:40] all that stuff is way above me arnaudmez , im a mechanic and farmer not an IT person [16:40] hehe [16:40] and too old to learn new things in large amounts [16:42] i plug my 3g modem into the back of my pc [16:43] Kilos: even if you said you are a farmer i consider you are skilled on what you do [16:43] so no excuses bro [16:45] lol [16:47] bye bye [16:47] have to leave office [16:47] cheers [16:47] be good [16:47] too late !!!! :-) [17:54] Alright, call me an idiot. Have fun: http://bpaste.net/raw/443686/ [18:26] superfly, evening, did you see http://picpaste.com/screenshot_284335666-y5jjNoB3.png [18:27] bart got tired of travelling all the way up for wood [18:27] Kilos: no, I've hardly been at my PC. I only just logged in [18:27] eish sorry man [18:27] hahaha, good job Kilos, great thinking [18:27] hehe ty [18:28] thats at over 4ks down. now he can stay there [18:29] and live on rats and apples [18:39] night all. sleep warm === psychici1t is now known as psychicist__ === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away]