[05:14]  * Kilos waves to the early birds
[05:45] <bduk> More almal
[05:47] <Kilos> more bduk 
[07:19] <JabberwockyA19> morning all
[07:49] <Golynx-> Testing
[07:50] <JabberwockyA19> success
[07:50] <Golynx-> :D
[07:51] <Golynx-> jmIrc works
[07:55] <Kilos> sigh
[07:55] <Kilos> hi Golynx- JabberwockyA19 bushtech superfly inetpro 
[07:55] <Golynx-> Hi Kilos
[07:56] <charl> hi Kilos, Golynx-
[07:56] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:56]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:56] <Kilos> hi charl 
[07:56] <Golynx-> Hi charl
[07:56] <bushtech> morning Kilos 
[07:56] <Golynx-> My pc is frozen lol
[07:56] <charl> i missed cantide yesterday
[07:56] <JabberwockyA19> môre Kilos
[07:56] <Kilos> cyber coffee doesnt warm you like real coffee on a cold day
[07:56] <charl> hi bushtech 
[07:57] <charl> hi bushtech, JabberwockyA19 
[07:57] <JabberwockyA19> hi charl
[07:57] <Kilos> Golynx-, thats not funny man, whats broken
[07:57] <Kilos> oh frozen, whew eyes see what they want
[07:58] <Kilos> everything was frozen here this morning
[07:58] <Golynx-> Lol Kilos its too cold to work on the pc
[07:59] <Golynx-> Mountains around here are blanket in white
[07:59] <Kilos> eish
[08:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:00] <Golynx-> JmIrc i havnt used in years
[08:00] <Golynx-> but its warmer from mobile
[08:01] <Kilos> hahaha hot water bottles on lap and feet help
[08:01] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:01] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:02] <Kilos> hey you clever okes tell me
[08:02] <Kilos> ups uses a serial data cable to get into it right?
[08:03] <Kilos> does anyone have one so i can get info
[08:03] <Kilos> i want to know does the ribbon cable cross over from one plug to the next
[08:03] <Golynx-> Lol
[08:03] <Kilos> i want to make one up
[08:10] <Golynx-> Damn whatsapp needs a password in pidgin
[08:11] <JabberwockyA19> Golynx-: I just gave up on that
[08:11] <JabberwockyA19> please let me know if you find an easy way around that
[08:12] <Kilos> me too
[08:13] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:14] <Golynx-> JabberwockyA19 : there is software that can sniff the password on android and ios, but that leads to whatsapp kicking you out of the service after a while
[08:14] <Vince-0> o/
[08:14] <Golynx-> Its looks impossible though
[08:15] <JabberwockyA19> need to setup a proxy of some sort :-/ it wont be easy
[08:41] <superfly> hi all
[08:41] <charl> why are you all so determined on getting whatsapp to work on the desktop ?
[08:41] <charl> if they wanted it to work on the desktop they would have made an official client or made it easier to get the password from the app
[08:41] <charl> hi superfly 
[08:42] <charl> rather use xmpp instead, run an xmpp server and whatever client you want both on the mobile and the desktop
[08:42] <charl> then you have full control over it, and you can secure it too
[08:42] <JabberwockyA19> charl I think it's a design problem from whatsapp side, afaik they changed their policy but not their internal arch
[08:43] <charl> i find all these mobile-specific services stupid in any case, services should be device-neutral
[08:43] <charl> and they should have a good api so that anyone can create a client, be it proprietary or open source (preferably the latter of course)
[08:43] <charl> that can run on any platform
[08:44] <JabberwockyA19> the amount of people using whatsapp vs xmpp makes it impossible for me to use xmpp, and its just very slow typing on my phone vs keyboard
[08:44] <JabberwockyA19> i agree with you 100%
[08:44] <JabberwockyA19> but we have to live in a world with people that don't know that :P
[08:44] <charl> i've heard the same argument about facebook, but for some reason, i manage to survive perfectly fine without either that or whatsapp
[08:45] <charl> i dunno how i can do it and other can't ...
[08:45] <JabberwockyA19> I've wanted to delete whatsapp multiple times, but it's just not practical for me at this stage
[08:45] <charl> maybe i'm just a stereotypical germanic person :)
[08:45] <charl> stubborn and hard-headed
[08:45] <JabberwockyA19> hehe :)
[08:46] <charl> as flexible as stalin
[08:46] <JabberwockyA19> it's better to say away
[08:47] <JabberwockyA19> I plan to use tox.im in the "near future"
[08:48] <charl> looking
[08:50] <charl> looks really cool
[08:51] <charl> but it's a pity that they are creating yet another island on their own by relying on peer to peer / bittorrent technology
[08:51] <charl> with DHT etc instead of just going with the existing standard (XMPP)
[08:51] <charl> i think i'm going to try it though
[09:04] <charl> installed venom now, still very rough and buggy
[09:04] <charl> but it's only version 0.2.0
[09:04] <JabberwockyA19> did you use the cli?
[09:05] <charl> no the gui
[09:05] <JabberwockyA19> ah toxic
[09:05]  * nuvolari votes for googlechat :P
[09:06] <nuvolari> device agnostic ever since I can remember
[09:06] <JabberwockyA19> google hangout moved away from xmpp right?
[09:06] <nuvolari> yeah :(
[09:06] <nuvolari> only get invites now
[09:06] <nuvolari> but 1-on-1 still supports it
[09:08] <JabberwockyA19> thats neat, i've got the hangout client on my phone though
[09:09] <nuvolari> using IRC gateway bitlbee to do xmpp-through-irc :P
[09:09] <nuvolari> so using irc client for most xmpp-chats/google chat
[09:09] <JabberwockyA19> I used to do that too @ bitbee
[09:09] <charl> as long as it's based off open standards and everybody can create their own client it's perfectly suitable for use on the public internet
[09:10] <charl> as long as you do not get vendor lockin
[09:10] <charl> unlike flash for example *puke*
[09:11] <JabberwockyA19> speaking about vendor lockin, I had to install windows 8.1 on a 4tb hdd with an old motherboard (more puke)
[09:12] <JabberwockyA19> UEFI and secure boot crap :o(
[09:13] <charl> can't you disable secure boot ?
[09:13] <charl> i also have uefi on my desktop workstation but ubuntu 14.04 works perfectly with secure boot disabled
[09:14] <charl> actually i never even tried to enable it in the first place, was disabled already when i got it (ubuntu pre-installed by dell)
[09:28] <JabberwockyA19> the old motherboards doesn't have secure boot, ubuntu works fine but windows only supports MBR paritions without secure boot
[09:29] <JabberwockyA19> for > 2TB paritions you'll need to use something like GPT and yeah... vendor lockin to the max
[09:32] <JabberwockyA19> I could not work around the boot problem, just used a smaller drive to boot :(
[10:11] <Kilos> haha just stepped on sisters toe, she says np she got duplicates of those on the other foot
[10:11] <Kilos> toes
[12:38]  * mazal peeks in for a bit
[12:44] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[12:44] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[12:44] <Kilos> for the miners interest, look at mine depth
[12:44] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/del/YcYXiWM5/screenshot_282643349-6HPRg38W.png
[12:45] <Kilos> goed dankie en self mazal ?
[12:45] <mazal> Wat is daai ? 'n Ander minetest ?
[12:47] <Kilos> selle een
[12:47] <mazal> Prentjie is bk te klein om te sien wat aangaan
[12:47] <Kilos> dis my myn by the DEEP
[12:47] <mazal> Ah ok
[12:48] <Kilos> dis 4k ondergrong
[12:48] <mazal> ish
[12:48] <Kilos> ek sal try dit vol scerm maal of naby
[12:49] <mazal> Hoekom so diep gaan oom ?
[12:49] <mazal> Na 1024 kry mens mos nie meer nuwe goete nie ?
[12:50] <Kilos> ek weet nie ek dink daar is meer van als daar diep
[12:50] <Kilos> en ek soek daai nyan cat ding
[12:50] <mazal> Het oom al Mithril gekry ? Sulke pers goed ?
[12:50] <Kilos> ek het baie
[12:51] <Kilos> maak lekker pikke om naby lava te werk
[12:51] <mazal> Ek het nog niks gesien nie , seker baie diep daai goete
[12:51] <Kilos> stadiger as n mese pik en hou langer
[12:52] <bduk1> baai almal
[12:52] <mazal> Ja nee , tyd om huiswaarts te gaan.
[12:52] <Kilos> mooi llop julle
[12:52] <mazal> Bye everyone , lekker aand oom
[12:52] <Kilos> dankie jy ook
[13:28] <inetpro> goeie more
[13:43] <Kilos> hellp inetpro how are you
[13:43] <Kilos> hello as well
[13:59] <arnaudmez> Hello Kilos
[13:59] <arnaudmez> hello guys 
[13:59] <arnaudmez> how are you today
[13:59] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez howsit?
[13:59] <arnaudmez> cool bro cool
[13:59] <Kilos> well ty and you?
[13:59] <arnaudmez> how is ubuntu and the ZA room
[14:00] <Kilos> we all good i think, just evey year the working guys seem to have less time
[14:14] <Symmetria> FINALLY
[14:14]  * Symmetria boots the install for the new kenya mirror server for the first time
[14:14] <Symmetria> :P via DRAC
[14:15] <Symmetria> god these servers take a while to boot
[14:18] <arnaudmez> we are all working Kilos, even you
[14:18] <arnaudmez> i call it contributing
[14:18] <Kilos> HAHA
[14:18] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: what servers ?
[14:19] <Symmetria> heh Dell R720
[14:19] <Symmetria> with 192gigs of ram
[14:19] <Symmetria> attached to 160 terabytes of SAS storage
[14:19] <Kilos> SJOE
[14:19] <Symmetria> what will soon be mirror.liquidtelecom.com
[14:19] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:20] <Symmetria> heh over a million bux worth of hardware
[14:22] <Symmetria> this is kinda cool, I'm installing it over iDRAC from my house
[14:23] <Symmetria> and because of the speed of my net connection its having no issues with the remote mounted cd image 
[14:23] <Symmetria> lol, its installing faster than if it was coming off a CD :P
[14:36] <charl> very nice Symmetria 
[14:37] <Symmetria> heh, just takes *AGES* to boot, when it starts initilizing all the disk space, ram, firmware images and other crap
[14:38] <Symmetria> no matter how fast any operating system boots, doesnt matter if the box itself takes a month of sundays to init before boot
[14:48] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: that's just a dream coming to life
[14:49] <arnaudmez> guys i tried to go that route but now i just end up going Cloud
[14:50] <charl> arnaudmez: i don't know if it's the same in s.africa but if you use the term "cloud" amoung technical folks where i live you might end up getting laughed at
[14:51] <charl> it has gotten to be a marketing b*ll term now that has little to no meaning whatsoever
[14:53] <charl> bbl
[14:58] <arnaudmez> charl: thanks for that :-) i will remember 
[14:58] <arnaudmez> but i' not in S. Africa at all
[14:59] <arnaudmez> in Congo where i am when u say Cloud among the Techies they start dreaming and want to ear what you have to say
[14:59] <arnaudmez> different perception of the same thing :-)
[15:05] <Kilos> Symmetria, let me know when its going so i can run mtr to it
[15:06] <inetpro> Kilos: always good thanks, just a bit cold
[15:06] <Kilos> and colder weather on its way inetpro 
[15:07] <Kilos> maybe max of 14
[15:07] <Kilos> and - in the dark time
[15:07] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: yeah but tell us if it wont cause you any issue
[15:08] <arnaudmez> guys what network tools/method can you advice for a person who want to do network troubleshooting ?
[15:08] <arnaudmez> i mean a person running linux
[15:08] <Kilos> arnaudmez, have you got your loco going yet?
[15:09] <arnaudmez> Kilos: not yet, time issues i think i will take it by next month and setup a proper thing
[15:09] <Kilos> what trouble shooting do you want to do, ask Symmetria thats his game
[15:09] <arnaudmez> huho
[15:10] <Kilos> he is a networking specialist
[15:10] <arnaudmez> i mean i'm busy setting up a small office wwith couple of devices on it, maybe setup a linunx server also but still it's a project
[15:10] <arnaudmez> so i'm quickly writing a list of necessary CLI tools that can help a network admin 
[15:11] <Kilos> so  what trouble shooting, you mean if it breaks down?
[15:12] <Kilos> i only know 2 things with networking ping and mtr hehe
[15:13] <Kilos> here is a nice one to test with
[15:13] <Kilos> mtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.8
[15:16] <Kilos> arnaudmez, you can point it at any address to see packet losses and stuff
[15:19] <arnaudmez> Kilos: i knew that one but not with arguments
[15:19] <arnaudmez> was using it just as it comes
[15:19] <arnaudmez> mtr 8.8.8.8
[15:20] <Symmetria> AHA, I got the damn interface up once I figured out what the fuck the interface name was :P
[15:20] <Kilos> ah
[15:21] <Symmetria> heh, I have never seen such wierd interface names
[15:21] <Symmetria> its on interface p5p4
[15:30] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: i see it everytime dear, mine is p3p1
[15:31] <Symmetria> em1       Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:ea
[15:31] <Symmetria> em2       Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:eb
[15:31] <Symmetria> em3       Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:ec
[15:31] <Symmetria> em4       Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr c8:1f:66:df:ea:ed
[15:31] <Symmetria> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[15:31] <Symmetria> p2p1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:58
[15:31] <Symmetria> p2p2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:59
[15:31] <Symmetria> p2p3      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:5a
[15:31] <Symmetria> p2p4      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr a0:36:9f:2f:8e:5b
[15:31] <Symmetria> p3p1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr a0:36:9f:44:e0:4c
[15:31] <Symmetria> p3p2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr a0:36:9f:44:e0:4e
[15:31] <arnaudmez> guys i have also discover a nice command to show interfaces on linux (guess some of you knows them)
[15:31] <Symmetria> p5p1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f0
[15:31] <Symmetria> p5p2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f1
[15:31] <Symmetria> p5p3      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f2
[15:31] <Symmetria> p5p4      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0a:f7:3f:80:f3
[15:31] <Symmetria> LOL
[15:32] <arnaudmez> just type: ip a
[15:32] <Symmetria> p3p1 and p3p2 are 10G NIC's
[15:32] <Symmetria> the rest are 1G nic's
[15:32] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: means p5p4 are ?
[15:35] <Symmetria> those are more 1G interfaces
[15:35] <Symmetria> this thing has a LOT of interfaces
[15:35] <Symmetria> ;p
[15:37] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: i agreee
[15:39] <Symmetria> someone screwed up though and didn't put in all the ram :(
[15:39] <Symmetria> root@mirror:/mirror# free
[15:39] <Symmetria>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[15:39] <Symmetria> Mem:     198048760    2361744  195687016       1036      77956     829680
[15:39] <Symmetria> -/+ buffers/cache:    1454108  196594652
[15:39] <Symmetria> Swap:      9764860          0    9764860
[15:39] <Symmetria> and still waiting for all the SAN's to be connected
[15:42] <Symmetria> lol, best thing about this mirror server
[15:42] <Symmetria> pinging my house from it:
[15:42] <Symmetria> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9007ms
[15:42] <Symmetria> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.908/1.173/1.499/0.196 ms
[15:43] <Symmetria> (197.155.77.1 if anyone wants to ping it from .za)
[15:46] <Kilos> 64 bytes from 197.155.77.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=381 ms
[15:46] <Kilos> 64 bytes from 197.155.77.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=442 ms
[15:46] <Kilos> 64 bytes from 197.155.77.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=379 ms
[15:50] <Kilos> Symmetria, http://slexy.org/view/s21SUz3WFR
[16:11] <Symmetria> ugh
[16:11] <Symmetria> what ISP is that
[16:11] <Kilos> 3g
[16:11] <arnaudmez> guys i've foudn this http://linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/consistent_network_device_naming_in_linux.pdf
[16:12] <arnaudmez> Kilos: how can i ask the bot to make it short please ?
[16:12] <Symmetria> vodacom? cause its going international :(
[16:12] <Kilos> maaz shorten http://linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/consistent_network_device_naming_in_linux.pdf
[16:12] <Maaz> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/mUBaMp
[16:12] <Kilos> telkom 8ta Symmetria 
[16:12] <arnaudmez> Kilos: thank you so muc
[16:12] <arnaudmez> so much
[16:13] <Kilos> yw
[16:13] <Symmetria> anyone who isn't behind telkom/vodacom who can do a trace/ping to 197.155.77.1?
[16:13] <Symmetria> telkom / vodacom are still being asshats about peering :P
[16:13] <Kilos> ill get you an equivalent to 8.8.8.8
[16:13] <Symmetria> 8.8.8.8 will end at google za pop so thats not really a valid test :(
[16:13] <Symmetria> telkom peers with google
[16:14] <Kilos> well give another addy to try
[16:15] <Symmetria> will be same thing to anywhere outside of .za, Telkom doesnt peer so if you wanna go to anywhere in africa from them you gonna go via europe
[16:15] <Symmetria> because they are asshats :P
[16:16] <Kilos> i dont know about all that stuff but know at times i have bad latency when playing an online game in za
[16:17] <Kilos> and at others its instant
[16:17] <Kilos> dont know how to pin point where the weak link is
[16:18] <Kilos> then i can complain
[16:18] <Kilos> peeps on adsl dont have the same problem
[16:28] <arnaudmez> Kilos: please mtr syn73.com
[16:29] <Kilos> ok
[16:29] <Symmetria> arnaudmez whats your ping to 197.155.77.1
[16:30] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: http://slexy.org/view/s21qQgekdk
[16:30] <Symmetria> urgh what connectivity are you on? which ISP?
[16:30] <Kilos> arnaudmez, http://slexy.org/view/s2dvpj81YD
[16:31] <arnaudmez> Kilos: that one i like
[16:31] <arnaudmez> no loss
[16:31] <Kilos> yip not too bad
[16:33] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: http://slexy.org/view/s2061Rep4H
[16:33] <arnaudmez> seems like you are losing packets at certain point
[16:33] <Symmetria> aahh you're coming from off continent thats why latency is so high
[16:36] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: i'm in africa currently but not in SA
[16:36] <arnaudmez> :-)
[16:36] <arnaudmez> Kilos: i've got a nice command for you ethtool -i <name_of_your_interface>
[16:37] <arnaudmez> you get nice details about your interface
[16:37] <arnaudmez> ethtool --help
[16:37] <arnaudmez> hey sorry wasn't for here
[16:37] <Kilos> im lost there arnaudmez what interface do i want to look at?
[16:38] <arnaudmez> Kilos: just in case you want to know more about your network interface
[16:38] <Kilos> oh ok ty
[16:39] <arnaudmez> Kilos: i've got this for my network card http://slexy.org/view/s20lwkXf6o
[16:40] <Kilos> all that stuff is way above me arnaudmez , im a mechanic and farmer not an IT person
[16:40] <Kilos> hehe
[16:40] <Kilos> and too old to learn new things in large amounts
[16:42] <Kilos> i plug my 3g modem into the back of my pc
[16:43] <arnaudmez> Kilos: even if you said you are a farmer i consider you are skilled on what you do
[16:43] <arnaudmez> so no excuses bro
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <arnaudmez> bye bye 
[16:47] <arnaudmez> have to leave office
[16:47] <Kilos> cheers
[16:47] <Kilos> be good
[16:47] <arnaudmez> too late !!!! :-)
[17:54] <theblazehen> Alright, call me an idiot. Have fun: http://bpaste.net/raw/443686/
[18:26] <Kilos> superfly, evening, did you see http://picpaste.com/screenshot_284335666-y5jjNoB3.png
[18:27] <Kilos> bart got tired of travelling all the way up for wood
[18:27] <superfly> Kilos: no, I've hardly been at my PC. I only just logged in
[18:27] <Kilos> eish sorry man
[18:27] <superfly> hahaha, good job Kilos, great thinking
[18:27] <Kilos> hehe ty
[18:28] <Kilos> thats at over 4ks down. now he can stay there
[18:29] <Kilos> and live on rats and apples
[18:39] <Kilos> night all. sleep warm