[00:34] <crat0s> Hello folks. I am a new Xubuntu user and recently configured connectivity to a hidden Wifi network. On restart, I have to manually choose "Connect to a hidden network" every time. Can this be automated?
[00:59] <canterw00t> Hi everybody! I have a question about a graphics chip in combination with Xubuntu 14.04
[01:00] <canterw00t> I bought a supercheap netbook recently and it has an Intel GMA 3600 graphics chip, but I don't think it's fully supported
[01:01] <canterw00t> Could anyone tell me how to check, and if it indeed isn't supported by the drivers in the kernel, what could I do about it?
[05:38] <xx> excuse me, I am using XUbuntu(14.04) system, I can't use my notebook's  keyborad to adjust volume,how can fix that
[05:40] <xx> hello anybody here? (^ ^)
[05:41] <holstein> xx: yes.. just ask, and try and be patient
[05:42] <holstein> xx: typically, if those keys can work easily, they just do, out of the box.. otherwise, you may have to dig around a bit..
[05:51] <xx> holstein thanks, I wanna add the key combination(Fn+F10/F11) in the Keyboard Settings, but I don't know the commands which are adjust the volume
[05:52] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaKeys might address that, xx
[05:57] <xx> holstein: thanks
[06:33] <enrico_> hi guys, I'm trying to boot Xubuntu from USB on an old pc. Bios doesn't support boot from usb, so I tried booting with Plop boot manager (on a CD-rom). The keyboard in plop works just fine, but once I launch boot from the USB device, the keyboard stops working and I can't select any option in the boot menu
[06:35] <enrico_> I already tried to use different USB ports to connect both keyboard and Boot drive
[06:36] <deshipu> enrico_: enable 'legacy usb device' in bios
[06:37] <enrico_> in plop or original bios?
[06:42] <deshipu> enrico_: in the original bios
[06:44] <enrico_> can't see that
[06:44] <enrico_> not supported?
[06:45] <enrico_> I checked on youtube, I definetly don't have that
[06:50] <enrico_> looks like I need an old PS2 keyboard
[06:50] <enrico_> it's funny though that in plop keyboard actually works
[07:52] <christoffer> What is the best way to run "setxkbmap" and "xmodmap" commands during bootup in Xubuntu 12.04 and 14.04?
[07:55] <whiterice> christoffer: add the commands you need to the XFCE autostart. Go to the settings manager in your menu
[07:55] <christoffer> preferably adding some kind of script file on boot up or login...so I can track the settings with git
[07:56] <christoffer> next to my other dotfiles
[07:57] <christoffer> whiterice, do you now where the GUI stores that information?
[08:00] <whiterice> christoffer: no :( I use openbox
[08:01] <christoffer> whiterice, ah, thanks anyway... thinking about putting it in .bashrc but doesn't feel right.
[08:01] <whiterice> christoffer: you would be better off posting in a forum or whatever for that
[08:01] <whiterice> christoffer: if it works and doesnt screw up anything, why not?
[08:01] <christoffer> Not sure when the .bashrc is loaded
[08:02] <whiterice> christoffer: I myself use setxkbmap with openbox
[08:02] <whiterice> christoffer: you should be able to just put the commands you need in a script and add that script to autostart
[08:02] <christoffer> yes that works
[08:03] <whiterice> the script doesnt need to be anything complicated
[08:03] <christoffer> yes of course
[08:03] <whiterice> ah ok, misunderstood you
[08:03] <christoffer> it just two lines
[08:03] <whiterice> yeah
[08:03] <christoffer> so no problem there
[08:03] <christoffer> the issue is how to best manage the script
[08:03] <christoffer> I have a git repository with my dotfiles
[08:03] <christoffer> and a configuration script that I run on each new [virtual] machine I use
[08:04] <christoffer> and if I modify the script on one machine I want to push it and download it on the other machines
[08:04] <christoffer> it works pretty good with .vimrc
[08:04] <whiterice> christoffer: ahh i see. Honestly cant help you there :( All mine are hard drive installs and I dont use anything but XFCE panel and openbox
[08:04] <whiterice> sorry
[08:04] <christoffer> no problem
[08:04] <christoffer> best bet now is to do just as I done with the .vimrc
[08:05] <whiterice> stuff like that you want to ask in a forums
[08:05] <christoffer> yea, probably
[08:05] <whiterice> or ask in the arch irc channel, but you damn well better not let them know your on Xubuntu
[08:07] <christoffer> hehe
[10:08] <mdp_> Hello, does anyone know how to fix Scite in Xubuntu 14.04? The GUI does not use Gnome, it's terribly slow to refresh...
[12:44] <xubuntu981> hey
[12:44] <xubuntu981> qqn sais comment partionner le disque à l'installation ?
[12:45] <xubuntu981> ?
[13:05] <mall> Hello! after upgrading the power manager, I am experiencing a bug in which when I attempt to "suspend" the computer just shuts external monitor and locks desktop, when I wake it up it asks for password then shows me the message "power management not authorized"
[13:06] <mall> I believe this is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1319598
[13:06] <mall> anybody else experience the same ?
[13:06] <mall> why is it considered low ?
[13:42] <knome> mall, check the last comment on the bug.
[13:43] <mall> wo, two minutes ago
[13:44] <knome> mall, yeah, i poked somebody to comment on it
[13:44] <mall> thank you
[13:44] <knome> no problem, hope it helps
[13:44] <mall> could you explain, please how to sudo these policies ?
[13:44] <mall> is it text ?
[13:44] <mall> bit of an advanced newbie here ^^'
[13:45] <mall> can I just open that with geany and modify it? no concerns ?
[13:56] <mall> http://pastebin.com/GSkCuLgi
[13:57] <mall> here is a pastebin of the relevant parts of the policies file
[13:57] <mall> I believe the important part that should show "yes" it is already "yes" and not "auth_admin_keep"
[13:58] <mall> this is, that under:         <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.suspend">   ; I have                         <allow_active>yes</allow_active>
[13:58] <mall> I believe allow inactive should NOT be "yes" right ?
[13:59] <mall> suspend-ignore-inhibit is auth_admin_keep on the other hand, but that does not seem to be what is happening here, is it ?
[13:59] <mall> thank you
[14:02] <xubuntu329>  
[14:02] <mall> MAybe it is relevant to mention that if I run xfce4-power-manager --debug  , terminal tells me there is another power manager running already (?)
[15:52] <xubuntu966> i can't believe i'm connected to the india server. it is so s-l-o-w!
[15:53] <xubuntu966> any idea who runs/hosts the india server
[15:54] <xubuntu966> any1 here?
[15:55] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu966: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[15:56] <cfhowlett> xubuntu241 change the mirror
[17:09] <paperziggurat> I am suddenly having major issues with my desktop in Xubuntu.  Out of the blue I am no longer able to right click or box-drag, and when the session starts my wallpaper on my second monitor does not change;  it is the same as the wallpaper on my primary monitor.
[17:10] <paperziggurat> Upon opening display settings and moving the box to the other monitor to change my wallpaper, I found that I cannot do that either.
[17:10] <GridCube> paperziggurat, try loguing in using the guest account
[17:10] <deshipu> paperziggurat: press alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop'
[17:11] <paperziggurat> alt f2 doesn't do anything
[17:11] <paperziggurat> and i will attempt to log in using guest
[17:11] <paperziggurat> brb
[17:14] <paper_ziggurat> I am able to right click in guest session.
[18:09] <vaniz> I have an acer aspire one 751h with 3 partitions one /boot one root and one swap. In root and swap I chose physical area for encryption. grub is installed in the boot partition. I use easybcd to create an option for the grub bootloader from the windows bootloader. Both in standard boot and in recovery mode I get the error cryptsetup: lvm is not available
[18:09] <vaniz> I dont get any passsword promt
[18:11] <vaniz> any suggestions on how to fix it ?
[18:13] <efox> I'm looking for assistance getting synergy to auto start and connect as guest BEFORE login occurs on xubuntu 14.04
[18:13] <efox> any takers?
[18:24] <xubuntu382> Hello
[18:24] <xubuntu382> I am getting this error while connecting to ma xubuntu using x2go, can someone help? https://i.imgur.com/ZbBGPvQ.png
[18:31] <SamwiseGamgee> I just installed Cheese with my xubuntu 14.04, and added two plugins after installation.  It looks like xubuntu added three plugins.  Anyway, one of the three plugins or more is causing freezing problems.  Should I uninstall eachh of the three plugins incrementally to find out which one is causing the problems, or do you already know which one it is?
[18:33] <holstein> thats an interesting question.. you mean, "do you already know".. like, the general users/volunteers in the room may have experience with the 3 un-named plugins? and may just list plugins that are known not to work, SamwiseGamgee ?
[18:33] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[18:34] <SamwiseGamgee> The 3 optinal plugins are the integration plugin for Nautilus file manager's Evolution, and two Gnome video effects plugins.
[18:35] <SamwiseGamgee> Nautilus's Evolution and Pidgin, I meant
[18:35] <xubuntu981> just impressed!!! Fully functional firefox while installing!!! That's kinda cool!!! Keep the good work people!!!
[18:35] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if there are known issue, i would expect to see them in bug reports..
[18:36] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, the bug reports, good idea....but first I will try uninstalling the Nautilus plugin, because it froze my file manager
[18:36] <MisterAcacia> SamwiseGamgee: I use guvcview. It works better for me for both snaps and videos. I've never had success using cheese
[18:37] <efox> I'm looking for assistance getting synergy to auto start and connect as guest BEFORE login occurs on xubuntu 14.04
[18:37] <efox> any takers?
[18:37] <holstein> efox: i just did autologin and a startup way back when i cared.. otherwise, last time i did that, i used ssh
[18:37] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks MisterAcacia
[18:38] <MisterAcacia> SamwiseGamgee: Welcome
[18:39] <efox> holstein, I would but, I'm in an office setting that I can't have autologin. =-\
[18:40] <holstein> efox: should be able to script start what you like before login
[18:41] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/9853/how-can-i-make-rc-local-run-on-startup for example, efox
[18:44] <efox> holstein, I'm looking at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto but the file that I'm supposed to modify dows not exist (/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf)
[18:45] <holstein> efox: i would use the system autostart.. no need to search for synergy specific
[18:45] <holstein> !lightdm
[18:46] <holstein> efox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM is what i referred to for lightdm config.. but, i would try /etc/rc.local for synergy
[18:47] <efox> holstein, thanks for your help!
[19:02] <SamwiseGamgee> MisterAcacia?
[19:03] <SamwiseGamgee> Is it better to install guvcview using the command prompts from the GUVCViewer website instead of using the Ubuntu Software Center?
[19:04] <elfy> I never use the USC
[19:04] <bazhang> use the one in the repos
[19:04] <elfy> though I do use synaptic or command line
[19:05] <elfy> and yes - use the repo one wherever possible
[19:05] <SamwiseGamgee> Synaptic has more uptodate software?
[19:05] <elfy> no - just a different tool
[19:05] <bazhang> all the repos <--- many ways to install from them
[19:05] <elfy> repositories are repositories
[19:06] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[19:06] <bazhang> command line (apt-get), software centre, synaptic, and so on
[19:06] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you want to always use the default ubuntu software sources when possible
[19:06] <SamwiseGamgee> you mean from the software centre, holstein?
[19:07] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: from *any* package manager..
[19:08] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the application you use to install is not as important.. the end result is the same
[19:09] <holstein> getting the software from another source, such as the website, would mean updates dont automatically come in, and you manually deal with dependencies, and support
[19:09] <SamwiseGamgee> holstein, that makes no sense, do you mean by default ubuntu software sources and how are they related to the package managers?
[19:10] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the software sources are explained above.. the repositories are where you get software into ubuntu from the supported sources.. if firefox gets an update, the maintainers update it, and push it out.. then, when you update your system, you get newer firefox, for example
[19:10] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, but in the case of guvcview, the software centre does not provide updates, so I assume instaling from the website provides a more up to date software package using the command line
[19:10] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: there is a trade off
[19:11] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if your question is, "do i get it from the site or the repos?" the answer is, the repos
[19:11] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you want a newer version that is only on the site, get it.. but, you agree to maintain it on your own, and install it on your own.. resolving dependencies and meeting requirements
[19:12] <SamwiseGamgee> Would synaptic provide more up to date download packages than the Software Centre?
[19:12] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[19:12] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they are *all* accessing the *same* sources
[19:14] <SamwiseGamgee> I think the guvcview website said its better to install its program from its site to get more up to date drivers for the logitech audio and stuff
[19:14] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. then, you ask them for support
[19:14] <SamwiseGamgee> because my webcam is audio, I need to find the website again....
[19:14] <holstein> otherewise, .. see above where the answer is, use the repo version
[19:15] <SamwiseGamgee> my webcam is logitech, sorry
[19:15] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: with *all* linux, its "Best" to use the sources. the default sources for the distro
[19:15] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: as stated above by myself, bazhang , and elfy
[19:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can always install the repo version, the easy and simple way, since there is literally no danger in any way from going so.. then, test.. and move on to another version if needed
[19:16] <SamwiseGamgee> Elfy said he never uses U Soft Centre, but always uses the repositories instead, but I don't know how to access the repositories
[19:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no.. you are misunderstanding
[19:17] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the sources are the sources.. the software center, synaptic, apt-get.. whatever.. they all manage package from those sources
[19:17] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: installing a package using the software center or synaptic or apt-get or *whatever*.. all comes from the same sources
[19:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the en result is, a package that is being managed by a package manager, using the sources
[19:18] <holstein> the end result*
[19:18] <bazhang> a kind of super "app store"
[19:19] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't really care how I install software, as long as I get the most up-to-date software, but you are suggesting each method is the same because you are getting them from the same repositories, that's why using the command lines from the websites makes more sense, if it's the only other option to get the most uptodate software
[19:19] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the repos do not offer or promise the most "up to date" software
[19:20] <bazhang> the website is not command line
[19:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ubuntu is not a rolling release
[19:20] <xangua> SamwiseGamgee: if you want the most up to date ubuntu may not be what you are looking for
[19:20] <SamwiseGamgee> because you said all native methods use the same repositories whether they are outdated or not
[19:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "sudo apt-get install packagename" if suggested by a website, still uses apt-get
[19:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they are maintained, and supported. the repo versions
[19:21] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they are not advertised as the most recent.. and you may not need the most recent..
[19:21] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats why i suggest, just install the repo version by whatever method you choose and test it. use it. if you need a newer version, get it
[19:21] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, so I can still use the software centre, but then go to command line and get updates?
[19:22] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can manage your packages however you choose..
[19:22] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the software center and the command line apt-get are *both* package management.. with the same sources
[19:23] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you install firefox using the software center, and 3 months from now run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", you will get a firefox update, if one is in the souces..
[19:23] <holstein> sources*
[19:24] <bazhang> or sooner
[19:24] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i realize this is quite different from how windows works, where you manage everything on your own.. but, you *can* manage everything on your own as well, there is just no real benefit, or need
[19:24] <SamwiseGamgee> What about installing from the Software Centre, then using command line updates from the software fprovider, would that work?
[19:25] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i just explained that it would
[19:25] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: please see above
[19:25] <holstein> 15:23 < holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you install firefox using the software center, and 3 months from now run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade", you will get a firefox update, if one is in the souces..
[19:25] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what i mean by that is, if you install with the software center and upgrade via apt-get, you get updates..
[19:26] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, I know how the updates work, I get notices
[19:26] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the issue is, you are saying "using commandline updates".. which is not a thing.. apt-get is a thing
[19:26] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: that is the GUI updater..
[19:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Anyway, when I installed GUVCView, and tried testing it, the audio did not seem to work, and there was some complicated crap about logitech updates for audio or sth on their website, which I am still looking for
[19:28] <SamwiseGamgee> and then they explained how to fix the logitech updates using command lines, which did not really make sense
[19:28] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you dont need to go to logitech for driver support either
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> but what did make more sense was their explanation of how to install the lastest version of guvcview
[19:29] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if they dont promise or provide linux support..
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> No, not logitech
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> guvcview has their own logitech updates
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> driver uupdates
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm still trying to find the website
[19:30] <SamwiseGamgee> http://guvcview.sourceforge.net/
[19:31] <holstein> there is typically no need to do that.. if fixes for alsa are available, they are usually applied ASAP
[19:32] <holstein> i suggest installing the suppored repo applciation, and elaborate about what the issue is.. you can try pavucontrol for advnaced routing
[19:34] <SamwiseGamgee> routing?
[19:34] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: yes. audio routing..
[19:35] <SamwiseGamgee> May be my real issue is I cannot find the user manual in http://guvcview.sourceforge.net/, in their documentation section
[19:37] <SamwiseGamgee> there is no way to test the audio, or test the video, or capture the video, and no user manual
[19:37] <SamwiseGamgee> for guvcview
[19:38] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. then move on.. i can think of many ways to test.. using pavucontrol for example. have you tried it?
[19:38] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm still looking for pavucontrol
[19:38] <holstein> !sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[19:38] <holstein> lol..
[19:38] <holstein> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[19:39] <SamwiseGamgee> is pavucontrol part of guvcview?
[19:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[19:39] <SamwiseGamgee> but they work together?
[19:39] <SamwiseGamgee> they are compatible?
[19:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its an audio tool i suggested back when you were asking about audio working with guvcview
[19:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its a pulse audio control app
[19:40] <SamwiseGamgee> so it will help guvcview?
[19:40] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i have no idea, friend.. you'll have to try it..
[19:41] <SamwiseGamgee> it looks like GUVCview has its own audio controls, but I don't think I have the logitech audio drivers installed from GUVCView, they may not be uptodate
[19:41] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[19:41] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats all wrong.. do you have audio working?
[19:42] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[19:42] <SamwiseGamgee> But not all my audio settings are working
[19:42] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. then, just install the application, and you can use pavucontrol for advance routing.. GUVCV is not supplying drivers for your audio hardware
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, I forgot, I changed my audio settings to get the pings to work
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> well I changed one setting
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> I should change it back, because the notification pings were not working
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> I mean, I changed the setting to get the notification ping working
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> and it failed
[19:44] <SamwiseGamgee> Now I can't find the setting icon
[19:45] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: just ask a question
[19:45] <SamwiseGamgee> It takes so long to find all settings
[19:45] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "i cant find" is not a question..
[19:45] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it on my desktop but failed
[19:45] <SamwiseGamgee> so I have to do things the slow way
[19:46] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm looking in All sEttings
[19:46] <SamwiseGamgee> and cannot find the icon for sound setttings
[19:47] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i use pavucontrol.. pulse audio volume control.. there should be an icon in your tray. there is alsamixer.. many options
[19:47] <holstein> !audio
[19:47] <SamwiseGamgee> God, I miss Windows, most things that take 10 secs in Windows take 5 mins in Xubuntu
[19:47] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its more about being used to what you are looking for. you should see me trying to find *anything* in windows 8
[19:48] <SamwiseGamgee> No, that's the wrong setting
[19:48] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: think about how long you used windows in the beginnging without doing anything anywhere near what you are tyring to do in linux right now
[19:48] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm trying to change back a setting that may have caused a problem....
[19:48] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: again, "no, thats the wrong setting" is not a question
[19:48] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i have *no* idea what you have changed, or how, or why
[19:48] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I used Windows for 10 years, that's why I got so fast
[19:49] <SamwiseGamgee> it took me 10 secs to find it last night
[19:49] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: so, try and give yourself more than 10 days to locate all the configuration
[19:49] <SamwiseGamgee> now it's taking me 5 minn to find it
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> it takes so long to find all settings, too
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> it's impossible to put all settings anwayere on the desktop
[19:50] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its not... but again, thats not a question
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> believe me, I tried
[19:50] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it in the panel
[19:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it on the desktop
[19:51] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i put whatever i want anywhere
[19:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried putting it in favourites
[19:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I failed on on 3 counts
[19:51] <holstein> favorites is not the desktop
[19:51] <holstein> i literally make a launcher on the desktop for terminal commands if i want/need
[19:51] <holstein> you can typically just drage what you want out there.. or right click and add.. you can also add a dock that is on the desktop..
[19:52] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you'll have to start asking questions and stop stating failure..
[19:53] <SamwiseGamgee> It takes me less time to fix things than to ask questions
[19:54] <SamwiseGamgee> I hate all settings
[19:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I still can't put it anywhere on my desktop
[19:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm startring to really hate xubuntu
[19:55] <SamwiseGamgee> everytghing is so slow
[19:57] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its fine here.. feel free and ask any questions you like.
[19:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I give up
[19:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm going to go eat sth
[19:57] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for trying to help
[19:59] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i will be glad to *actually* help, if you want to ask a question.. i literally make desktop launchers for anything i choose
[19:59] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm trying to add all settings to a panel....
[20:00] <SamwiseGamgee> cause I'm sick of spending to much time looking for all settings every time I need to fix sth
[20:01] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what i did was, i used a live CD to add *eveything* to the panel, and see what each thing did.. there are lots of ways to add customized menus to the panel that would only contain what you are looking for
[20:01] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: though, what i suggest is, just keep using the system, and you will get more comfortable, and need to fix it less often..
[20:01] <SamwiseGamgee> I have a lot of problems with all settings
[20:02] <holstein> maybe just address the problems..
[20:02] <SamwiseGamgee> the first problem I noticed was that if I deleted an item from my panel, it got permanently deleted and I could never ever use it agian or find it
[20:02] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. thats just not true
[20:02] <SamwiseGamgee> that happned with Notes
[20:02] <xangua> Maybe you should focus on explaining what your original goal was, what you did from the very beginning instead of just discussing that you want all the latest software or that you can't put icons in your desktop, I've b been here for some time and I just don't have any idea of what your  problem is SamwiseGamgee
[20:02] <SamwiseGamgee> the only way I could get Notes tow ork again was reinstalling xubuntu
[20:03] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what i would do is, get in  an environment where you can play around with the panels and items that you can add. the live CD or the guest account
[20:03] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats not true.. you chose to reinstall to deal with that..
[20:03] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, the guest account, good idea
[20:04] <SamwiseGamgee> the other problem I had was when I tried to add items to a panel, All Settings was not an option
[20:05] <SamwiseGamgee> I have tried many ways of getting all settings onto a panel or on my desktop, and each method failed
[20:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no.. the problem you had was, you removed the notes applet, and tried to add it back and didnt know how
[20:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats the problem i am discussing right now.
[20:05] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I thought it was only removed from my panel, even though it warned me I was permanently deleting it
[20:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: as for adding "all settings", as i said, you can add that many ways to the desktop and panel.. i would make a panel with a menu and edit that menu to show whatever..
[20:06] <SamwiseGamgee> but I had to accept the permanent delete, because there was no other way to remove it from the panel
[20:06] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: there are plenty of ways to do everything
[20:06] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, I tried that.  All Settings is never an available item for anyh of the panels
[20:06] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: when you say "there was no other way" you are wrong, and not asking a question, or giving yourself the opportuinty to learn
[20:07] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i would add ahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1365867
[20:07] <holstein> many ways to add what you are tyring to add
[20:08] <SamwiseGamgee> I like the idea of testing things as a guest, because I am sick of getting burned every time I try something and fail
[20:09] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: or, a live CD, or VM with snapshots
[20:10] <SamwiseGamgee> but before I do that, I should fix the sound setting that caused the sound problem first, while it is still fresh in my memory
[20:15] <SamwiseGamgee> God I hate xubuntu
[20:15] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: please dont do that..
[20:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: lots of volunteers work hard here.. you can take advantage of the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for non-suport related chat
[20:16] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry for being blunt and honest if it offends you
[20:16] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its doenst offend me at all.. and there is an appropriate channel for it.. #xubuntu-offtopic ..thanks
[20:17] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for the suggestion
[20:19] <ARM9> or you can take your venting to ##c++
[20:44] <SamwiseGamgee> what is lightdm
[20:45] <ObrienDave> the opening logon screen
[20:45] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks
[21:45] <orangerobot> hello I'm trying to install a minimal XFCE into a clean ubuntu trusty 32 but when I run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends | grep abi" i see that abiword is there but it is listed as recommend oly
[21:45] <orangerobot> only*
[21:46] <orangerobot> is there anything else I need to do *not* to include extra stuff like abiword?
[21:46] <holstein> why not just install xfce4 ?
[21:46] <holstein> !mini
[21:46] <holstein> i would start with that iso, and just install xfce4.. though, it has recommends as well..
[21:47] <orangerobot> i'm using puppet so I need to start with one of the available boxes, one of which is a clean trusty32
[21:47] <orangerobot> why is abiword being included if I specifically asked it not to include recommends?
[21:48] <holstein> orangerobot: xubunt will have requirements, though.. how about just useing xfce4?
[21:49] <orangerobot> i will probably have to instal la few extra packages myself if I just install xfce4 that's why i wanted to install xubuntu-desktop but without the recoomends
[21:49] <orangerobot> isn't it what this page shows? http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/xubuntu-desktop
[21:50] <orangerobot> it lists abiword (and a whole lot of other packages) as recommends
[21:51] <holstein> sure. im not sure friend.. the xubuntu-desktop package is just not intended to necessarily do that..
[21:52] <holstein> if i wanted minimal xfce, id start with xfce.. its just me personally. not saing you are not seeing some kind of error.
[21:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Is FreetuxTV a good application?  Have you tried it?
[21:52] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "good" is a matter of opinion..
[21:52] <SamwiseGamgee> In Engish, we use the word "good" to describe something that has value and is regarded as useful
[21:53] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: sure.. and you care welcome to use it and decide for yourself how useful it is
[21:53] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it works as advertised.. do you need its functionality? if so, its "useful".. thus "good".. of not. then its not
[21:53] <holstein> !poll
[21:54] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[21:56] <SamwiseGamgee> should I install VLC Media Player before I install FreetuxTV?  Or install FreeTuxTV first?
[21:56] <knome> SamwiseGamgee, i don't think it makes any difference.
[21:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Has anyone here used FreeTuxTV?
[21:57] <knome> how do you benefit knowing that?
[21:58] <knome> if you have a question about using it, why not ask the real question?
[21:58] <SamwiseGamgee> I want to know if they find it easy to use or have any issues with it.  If so, I will not install it now
[21:58] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i have used it, friend..
[21:58] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it works as advertised..
[21:58] <knome> the best way to find if it's easy enough and/or issue-free enough for you is to install it
[21:59] <holstein> i dont suggest using it..
[21:59] <slickymaster> hey knome
[21:59] <SamwiseGamgee> You mean, I should not install it now, and stick to the simpler apps until I get used to the xubuntu environment?
[22:00] <knome> hey slickymaster
[22:00] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you are asking if anyone in the channel thinks you should install it, so far there is a few votes for you seeing for yourself, and one for dont install
[22:01] <SamwiseGamgee> I will not install it now.  I will stick to the simpler and easy apps for now
[22:02] <SamwiseGamgee> But I will install VLC Media
[22:28] <orangerobot> holstein: I've just installed xfce4 only and I really need more than that. I need gui login and a slightly more user-friendly desktop. that's why I wanted xubuntu-desktop without the recommends
[22:28] <holstein> orangerobot: lightdm
[22:30] <orangerobot> I know i can install each piece bit by bit but my main question would be why things listed as recommend still get installed when I ask --no-install-recommends
[22:30] <holstein> orangerobot: things? or just the one thing? abiword?
[22:30] <orangerobot> everything listed as recommend
[22:30] <holstein> i mean, im not saying you are not experiencing a legitimate bug there
[22:30] <holstein> !bug
[22:31] <holstein> if *everything* listed is coming in, maybe you are implementing the commands incorrectly
[22:32] <holstein> !purexfce
[22:32] <holstein> nah.. thats not going to help..
[22:32] <orangerobot> holstein: hmm. interesting. i will have a look at that. thanks.
[22:34] <fricetix> Guys, newbie question! How do I use XFCE themes I downloaded? I got Rele from deviantArt and I copied it into /home/.themes but can't find it in my Appearance dialog in the themes list. What am I doing wrong? Thanks!