=== rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [08:31] good morning [09:38] vhanda [09:53] hola [09:55] valorie: have you spokes to sgclark about travel? [10:00] Riddell: this meta package for plasma-next you mentioned last week was missing is ready now ? [10:01] not yet I'm afraid, too many releases! [10:05] hey looking nice and green :) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_4.98.0_utopic.html [10:07] Riddell: yeah thats why i asked about this package - to test this green stuff :) [10:08] you can install it all, you just need to look at each source package and work out what binary packages it makes to install [10:11] I'll install it in an hour or two once I fix a couple of compile issues I see, I'll let you know how that works [10:13] Riddell: ok, thanks [10:14] 'Morning folks [10:15] hiho BluesKaj [10:17] Hey soee [10:29] shadeslayer: alive? [10:30] * soee wonders why in plasma-next ppa some packages are with version 4:4.97.0 when we have already 4.98 [10:32] shadeslayer: which ones? [10:38] soee: which ones? [10:40] Riddell: for example kde-baseapps 4:4.97.0~git20140627-0ubuntu1, konsole 4:4.97.0~git20140623-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa3 or baloo5 and baloo-widgets5 [10:41] soee: konsole and kde-baseapps don't get released yet so we just take a snapshot [10:41] soee: baloo5 source has been renamed to baloo [10:41] and baloo-widgets5 is also a snapshot [10:41] so that's all good [10:42] Riddell: why do theu dont released /tehy arent part of the plasma5 ? [10:43] soee: they're not part of plasma5, they'll be part of applications which is still work in progress [10:45] ok to have it more clear: kf5 = frameworks for apps and other stuff, plasma5 = more or less GUI and apps = apps build on top of kf5 ? [10:46] soee: yep :) [10:47] which were all released together as KDE SC in the olden days but now are released separately [10:47] so in first plac we have kf5, than plasma5, than we can expect apps right ? [10:49] yep [11:15] just out of pure curiousity, will there (eventually) be packages for Kubuntu 14.04, in some form (I assume a different PPA) for KF5/Plasma 5 similar to Kubuntu-Next PPA? Or will it only be packages as project neon 5 is now? just curious as I said :) [12:23] Riddell: no, I died, this is my ethereal form [12:24] Corodius: I doubt we will package KF5 for 14.04, I don't think there will be much demand and it'll take a lot of time [12:31] * yofel spots a slayer's ghost lingering about in the shade... [12:34] :> [12:44] Riddell: ping [12:45] shadeslayer: u got utopic plasma5? [12:45] no [12:45] I got the supreme neon one [12:45] :@ [12:45] * apachelogger needs a dpkg -L of plasma-workspace-data [12:45] hi apachelogger [12:46] Riddell: yo, please be pasting dpkg -L plasma-workspace-data [12:46] apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-workspace-data [12:46] /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/klipper [12:46] hurr durr, I think khelpcenter won't find that [12:46] muchos translations [12:46] ah it will [12:46] :O [12:47] shadeslayer: do we have no plasma5 khelpcenter in neon [12:47] what is this? [12:47] Riddell: all goody, thanks for the paste [12:47] Riddell: No worries, Thank you for the reply! [12:51] apachelogger: nope [12:51] not that I can tell === greyback is now known as greyback|away [12:59] Riddell: tested the latets plasma in VB, plasma-desktop held back as usual, after installing it and rebbot problem with dbus after login and back to login screen [13:05] soee: try installing qt5-default [13:07] Riddell: good morning, should I make new snapshots of the apps, or is there another priority for me today [13:09] sgclark: plasma-workspace could do with some love [13:09] Riddell: ahh missed that, on it [13:10] hard to love something that has the word "work" in it :) [13:11] for me anyway [13:12] Riddell: worked with qt5-default ;) [13:12] yay! [13:12] I should work out how to make qt5-default not required [13:13] something needs qdbus, not sure what [13:13] * soee wonders how this ll wil work on my laptop (not VB) [13:13] it'll work awesome [13:13] money back guarantee [13:14] after last try im not so optimistic [13:14] sgclark: ignore the KF5XmlRpcClient that plasma-workspace wants, shadeslayer is working on that but the others should be easy to add [13:14] ok [13:14] here wss a fresh installation in VB, while on laptop it will use current user folder/settings [13:15] and they might result with som problems [13:15] Riddell: sgclark http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2014-July/033409.html [13:16] i see a lot of qt5 libs in muon that aren't installed, why not ? [13:16] because you haven't installed them? [13:16] not ready for prime time I suppose [13:17] what [13:17] BluesKaj: if they're not required they won't be installed [13:18] * BluesKaj refrains from asking anymore dumb questions [13:23] Riddell: just wonder, if i now install plasma withoout meta files, and i miss some files, are they going to be installed when you add this meta info ? [13:33] soee: yes === greyback|away is now known as greyback [13:38] Riddell: override_dh_auto_configure: [13:38] $(overridden_command) -- -DECM_MKSPECS_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/qt5/mkspecs/modules/ [13:38] why the ECM_MKSPECS_INSTALL_DIR in karchive [13:39] shadeslayer: probably historical, you can get rid of it as we set that in ecm directly now [13:39] cheers [13:39] Riddell: I'll upload karchive to the archive after some changelog cleanup then [13:43] shadeslayer: yay :) [13:49] mmm [13:49] Riddell: karchive has no VCS packaging entries [13:50] shadeslayer: many of them probably miss that [13:50] ok [13:55] ScottK: karchive uploaded to the archive [13:55] plz be reviewing [13:55] oh [13:55] I'll probably have not much time for that this week. [13:55] ok [13:55] I'll work on ecm next [13:56] ScottK: it's not time sensitive [13:56] ScottK: as long as it gets in before FF [14:00] or I can review [14:00] but why upload karchive before ecm? [14:00] Riddell: yeah, I forgot about ecm [14:00] doing that right now [14:00] for some reason I thought ecm was already in the archive [14:01] * soee second attempt to install plasma5 +.+ [14:01] sgclark: your packaging is now entering the archive! [14:02] Riddell: ? [14:03] Riddell: there, ecm uploded [14:03] I need to acquire food now [14:03] brb [14:07] feed branches-next had 7 updates, showing the latest 6 [14:08] sgclark: shadeslayer is taking the kf5 packaging and putting it into the ubuntu archive for all to use, no PPA needed [14:08] oh wow [14:09] at last your chance for fame and glory :) [14:09] Riddell: shadeslayer: want me to update all of them to include VCS, actually been meaning to do that [14:09] sgclark: yeah that would be good [14:10] on it [14:10] and writing a blog post saying how great it is and how more people should come and help out would be nice too :) [14:10] Riddell: ok lol, need to dust off my blog [14:13] back :O [14:13] Riddell: i had the same issue - plasme did not load after login [14:13] *plasma [14:13] so i emptied my user folder, reboot and now im on plasma-next :) [14:18] sgclark: oh breeze needs some love, it's putting everything into breeze-cursor-theme but it now installs icons and other bits [14:18] Riddell: ok, on it [14:21] some icons missing in system-settings [14:21] also, im not sure is system-seetings package is updated as some entries liek Compositor are missing [14:23] dolphin crashes :/ [14:24] well, it's allowed to, it's unreleased :) [14:25] what about krunner its also not available ? [14:25] soee: works for me [14:26] plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/krunner [14:27] ok so its probably the problme with not working shortcuts [14:28] i have krunner process but can activcate it with ALT + F2 [14:30] then new icons theme is not available yet ? [14:32] it's not complete, you can install breeze-cursor-theme (sgclark will fix the packaging) and switch to it in system settings [14:33] soee: do you have /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5 running? [14:33] plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5 [14:33] sgclark: go ahead [14:33] Riddell: this is some command: plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5 ? [14:33] command is /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5 [14:33] package is plasma-workspace [14:34] although it should get started by dbus I think [14:34] Riddell: yes i can see it in system monitor [14:35] soee: those missing patches in system settings are nice easy bugs to fix if you want to get your hands dirty [14:35] missing icons I mean [14:35] Riddell: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8002194 [14:36] Riddell: probably but atm i would have to spend a lot of time working out how to create, send them etc :) [14:37] shadeslayer: bah, no mention of kubuntu :( [14:37] yep [14:37] jmux: I'll sue! [14:37] heh [14:37] milou is not working here also ? [14:38] soee: huh? [14:38] does milou not work for you in trusty? [14:38] no idea :) im on 14.10 [14:43] oh ok [14:48] sgclark: you might also want to add the stable url in debian/watch [14:48] shadeslayer: ok will do [14:55] Riddell: can you review breeze to see that I split them out correctly [14:58] * Riddell in meeting for a few minutes.. [15:06] workspaces dont work with new plasma [15:06] feed branches-next had 10 updates, showing the latest 6 [15:07] soee: what do you mean by workspaces? [15:08] sorry, *activities [15:08] switching activity leads to plasmashell crash [15:09] mm [15:10] at first 1-2 crashes it retsarts but than it dies for good [15:11] and after reebot crashes after login, deleteing som dot folders in home dir helps [15:11] disn't inspect what folder/folders exactly [15:11] how do you even add or change an activity? [15:12] ah needs the plasma applet on the panel [15:12] works good here [15:12] got kactivities installed? [15:13] Riddell: yes [15:14] soee: best report a bug I guess [15:15] Riddell: Hmm. Nobody I asked knew of it. I don't think there is a problem, but it would have been polite to ask for an Ok... and yes, we're using Kubuntu ;-) [15:15] hah, so canonical just being cheeky [15:15] Those BSP and Hackfests are for a reason [15:16] jmux: I think we'll schedule ours for the end of november to space it out for akademy by the way [15:16] I am unsure if we want one tbh :p [15:17] you and your swanning off to switzerland [15:17] we could just crash the BSP and get frameworks into debian [15:17] crash our own BSP? [15:17] crash Debian's BSP [15:17] shadeslayer: the idea is to have it joint with debian (at least) [15:17] * shadeslayer throws some tacos at kconfig [15:17] that's why I send them the same doodle poll [15:17] ah ok [15:18] jmux: I think we'll schedule ours for the end of november to space it out for akademy by the way < made me think we were going to have a separate one [15:19] shadeslayer: the other people invited are libreoffice and kdepim [15:21] Well - I guess LO won't be at a BSP, as theiy have their big konference in September and a Hackfest in Toulouse at November. Yesterday I finally got a reply from Debian. [15:21] I'll send a writeup tomorrow [15:21] hmm [15:27] jmux: oh? what did they say? [15:27] jmux: anything from kdepim? [15:28] Riddell: I keep forgetting, workspace is not meant to be co installable right? [15:28] It's not [15:28] shadeslayer: no, except parts which overlap with kde-runtime [15:28] * shadeslayer goes back to replying to email thread [15:29] apachelogger: You should see my latest mail to kubuntu-devel. It involves somewhat fancy use of make and sed in combination. [15:29] Riddell: ^^^ you too. [15:30] * ScottK would like some feeeback on this. [15:30] wibble, control.in, they're quite fragile from anything I've seen using them [15:31] ScottK: I actually think it's a neat idea [15:31] less manual work [15:31] and everyone knows I'm all for less work :p [15:32] Riddell: One thing a non-prototype instantiation would do is have a big comment across the top that says something like "### DO NOT EDIT - CHANGES WILL BE LOST - EDIT CONTROL.IN INSTEAD ###" [15:32] That's really the only issue I've seen with it. [15:33] The thing that's really fragile (and IIRC forbidden) is to try to generate dependencies this way. [15:33] We use control.in on the python metapackages and it's fine as long as you remember to edit control.in and not control. [15:34] Riddell: Well - you also got all the reply, I have. KDE PIM had their doodle poll linked in the initial mail. Basicalyy they just wait for my announcement, preferably in November, [15:35] Riddell: Seem I misread a name - the wasn't Debian but the KDE PIM... [15:39] BTW - anybody already tried to port an app to KDE5? I'll get 5 students in September for half a year and I had the idea to improve the LO KDE4 backend (I have a plan) and a port to KDE5 (I have no plan). [15:40] jmux: I've not yet but there are plenty of Kubuntu specific buts that need ported to Qt5/KF5 [15:41] and surely LO KDE needs some Qt5 porting [15:44] Well I just want to prevent major fights with KDE5 before assigning the students. I didn't try KDE5 yet. The students should focus on the KDE5 port and not struggling to much with the very new KDE5 desktop. [15:44] We have other projects - the students are free to choose. I just thought it might be an interesting project. [15:44] jmux: yeah that's fine, no need to run Plasma 5 to port apps to KF5 [15:44] interesting and useful [15:46] So installing Kubuntu 14.04 with kde5 libs (from PPA?) should be fine. [15:48] jmux: 14.10 [15:48] needs to be utopic to get kf5 bits [15:48] but it's perfectly stable [15:49] ^^ [15:49] iv installed latest updates and now activiteis work oO [15:49] * jmux fixes LO bugs since three months - deep inside low level LO code [15:50] :D [15:50] but the main issue is shortcuts now, kurunner etc [16:06] not usre why but i have baloo v. 4.13.2 installed [16:06] is it valid ? [16:07] soee: why not [16:08] or well, why would it be wrong? [16:08] shadeslayer: because in plasma-next ppa i see 4.98.0 [16:08] soee: install baloo-kf5 [16:09] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7766350/ [16:10] gwenview to be removed ? [16:11] soee: upgrade it to version 4:4.13.2-0ubuntu1build1 [16:14] where can i find thi updated version ? [17:00] * ScottK pokes at apachelogger again. [17:05] Riddell: all the issues i have might be related ot some missing packages, i have installed some now i can open krunner but it searches nothing :) [17:14] ha linkf5runner-data was missing i think [17:14] *libkf5runner-data [17:16] Good evening. [17:42] waaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt [17:42] I can't revert a rev in bzr? [17:42] what is this? the 90's? [17:43] huh? [17:43] uncommit? [17:43] ? [17:43] yofel: it's not the last commit [17:43] it's like HEAD~3 [17:43] anyway, git bzr to the rescue [17:43] oh yeah, that's applying the reverse diff svn-style :P [17:44] >.> [17:45] oh lol [17:45] Initial release 20 October 2000 [17:45] for subversion [17:45] thats my birthday [17:45] or well, not that year [17:45] * yofel thought it was older... [17:46] kind of weird how alot of initial releases happened on 20th October [17:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Ubuntu_4.10_.28Warty_Warthog.29 [17:46] I should compile a list of these things :p [17:48] oh [17:49] sgclark: minor note, you replaced unstable with stable, what I suggested was adding stable to the watch file [17:49] and having unstable there too [17:49] atleast thats what I did [17:49] that is the better choice in general [17:49] shadeslayer: oh? oops ok, will do [17:50] *nod* [17:50] sgclark: it's alright :) [17:50] * sgclark fixes [17:50] so far it's only been minor issues, packaging looks quite alright [17:50] sgclark: don't do kcodecs, I'm doing it [17:50] adding VCS while I am at it [17:51] ok [17:51] cheers :) [17:52] do we *need* to build-dep on Qt5 Default? [17:53] yofel: as regex master, do you have a way to add un/stable urls in one line? [17:54] I tried a couple of ways, but they didn't work [17:54] thers no polish translation atm for plasma-next ? [17:55] ah [17:55] lconvert: could not find a Qt installation of '' [17:55] hm [17:55] most interesting [17:55] hm [17:56] I thought qtchooser automatically chose whichever binary is isntalled [17:56] shadeslayer: something like this maybe: [17:56] ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/((un)?)stable/([\d\.]*)/src/kde-workspace-([\d\.]*).tar.xz [17:57] need to try it on something that's actually in unstable though [17:57] seems to work [17:58] yofel: try karchive [17:58] oh wait [17:58] exclusively in unstable? [17:59] plasma [18:01] what kind of syntax is this -.- [18:02] *plasma-next - if i open Muon, select some packages to be installes and want to apply changes i have error message: This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided. Usually i should be asked for password. Any idea wht can be wrong ? [18:03] * ScottK sees that every now and then. [18:03] No idea why. [18:04] When I see it, I take it as a sign I should be using apt. [18:04] shadeslayer: looking at the manpage the path part until the final slash needs to be an exact match for a single directory as I understand it [18:05] feed branches-next had 11 updates, showing the latest 6 [18:09] I have a question [18:09] How long would it approximately take to adapt the plasma update to Ubuntu for stable use? [18:11] Probably about 10 months when 15.04 is released. [18:12] ScottK: soee sounds like polkit kde issues [18:12] is the polkit kde daemon running? [18:12] drat [18:13] yofel: drat [18:13] shadeslayer: i see polkid proccess [18:13] what about the kde daemon [18:13] *polkitd [18:14] oh is it normal i have running kded4 and kded5 ? [18:14] yes [18:15] especially if you're using kde4 applications [18:15] yup [18:15] someone here runnign atm plasma5 ? [18:16] yep [18:16] but from neon :p [18:16] I should nag apachelogger to bootstrap it for utopic [18:16] shadeslayer: would you be so kind and check one thing ? [18:16] sure [18:17] in System Settings -> Shortcuts -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts [18:17] on the list - do you have entry releated to activities ? [18:17] *components list [18:20] nope [18:20] try plasmashell [18:20] if not there, file a bug [18:20] ok :( btw does th printscr button works for you - can you take screenshot ? [18:21] nope [18:21] yofel: can you please help me with the IRC commands to switch my nick again [18:21] something with ghost [18:21] I think [18:22] On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit [18:22] by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST «username» «password» [18:22] shadeslayer: ok last thing :) you go desktop properties and want to change wallpaper do you see previews there ? also if you click to select different file do you have previes ? [18:22] I thought that was released [18:22] yes and yes [18:22] soee: ^^ [18:23] BluesKaj: how do I switch nick? === BluesKaj is now known as newnick [18:23] shadeslayer: i dont have them (thumbs) :/ [18:23] soee: none at all? [18:23] any idea what this can be related to [18:23] shadeslayer: nope [18:23] /nick newnick [18:23] make sure you have kio-extras installed [18:25] newnick: doesn't work [18:25] I have to ghost it showhow [18:25] ovidiu-florin_: try /msg nickser help release [18:25] shadeslayer: dependencies problem kio-extras : Depends: libexiv2-13 but it is not installable [18:25] mmm === newnick is now known as Bluesa [18:26] soee: what happens when you try to install that package === Bluesa is now known as Blueskaj_ [18:26] I need to run soon [18:27] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7766929/ [18:27] ovidiu-florin_: usw a different bick , newnick was just an example [18:27] nick rather [18:27] stuck in proposed === Blueskaj_ is now known as Blueskaj___ [18:29] soee: aha === Blueskaj___ is now known as BluesKaj [18:30] exiv2 will cause breakage [18:30] so it's being held back [18:31] so atm it is impossible to install kio-extras right ? [18:31] yep [18:31] ovidiu-florin_: use the ghost command BluesKaj gave you, then you should be able to use /nick [18:33] yofel: it replyes ovidiu-florin is not online. [18:33] ovidiu-florin_: how does /nick fail then? [18:34] doesn't do anything [18:34] shadeslayer: thank you for your help :) [18:34] soee: np [18:34] soee: you could download kio-extras and recompile it yourself [18:34] ovidiu-florin_: that can't be... no server response at all? [18:35] heading home I am [18:35] night [18:35] nini [18:35] yofel: no [18:36] ovidiu-florin_: if neither server nor nickserv respond I'm out of ideas, #freenode might help [18:37] ovidiu-florin_: is your nick registered? [18:37] yofel: I ran /nick ovidiu-florin [18:37] is this command wrong? [18:37] no.. [18:38] * 435 ovidiu-florin #gcc Cannot change nickname while banned on channel [18:38] WTF? again? === ovidiu-florin_ is now known as ovidiu-florin [18:38] Done [18:38] hehe [18:38] * yofel wonders if he's still banned in #bash [18:39] ask the admins to fix that [18:39] it happened to me to [18:39] ah, I'm not, so that's good :) [18:41] * BluesKaj is still banned in #ubuntu, but can't be bothered to appeal an unjust decision [18:42] i don't know enough about unity etc anyway [18:49] G'day folks. [18:49] o/ [18:50] hey Etriaph [18:54] I trust everyone is well today? [18:54] fine here [18:57] Doing good here, what about you Etriaph? [18:58] Pretty well, listening to Chopin and writing some code. [18:58] Good way to spend the afternoon :D [18:58] :) [19:02] how many bits to the bar ? [19:04] feed branches-next had 10 updates, showing the latest 6 [19:55] Riddell: ping [20:04] feed branches-next had 12 updates, showing the latest 6 [21:05] feed branches-next had 11 updates, showing the latest 6 === xnox is now known as xnox_ === xnox_ is now known as Eisbrecher === Eisbrecher is now known as Eisbrecher_xnox [21:49] someone knows if it is possible to make yakuake works in plasma5 ? [21:56] now i know why thers no shortcut for activities: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2014/06/07/the-future-of-activity-switching/ [22:05] feed branches-next had 12 updates, showing the latest 6 [22:26] * apachelogger has much tired eyes [22:26] Riddell: u still up? [23:05] feed branches-next had 8 updates, showing the latest 6 [23:46] Riddell: I've replied to her last email, yes (and I got the money from Canonical finally) [23:46] someday I should also ask for money from canonical [23:47] * apachelogger always feels like he has to look at things into a kubuntu capacity then; limits the view :P