| Shawn287 | hi | 00:03 |
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| Shawn287 | I got lubuntu working | 00:03 |
| * wxl claps | 00:03 | |
| Shawn287 | it runs smoother than linux mint xD, that is too heavy | 00:03 |
| phillw | Shawn287: persistence is worth it :) Congrats. | 00:04 |
| Shawn287 | yea | 00:04 |
| Shawn287 | streaming star trek now :D | 00:05 |
| Shawn287 | on my pentium 4 | 00:05 |
| Shawn287 | since my tablet is dead :( | 00:05 |
| phillw | Hmm, my spare machine has been out on loan for ~ 6 months... Piglet has been behaving :) | 00:06 |
| * ianorlin may be building a new one so he can run 64 bit vms | 00:10 | |
| phillw | ianorlin: it works out cheaper the get an end of line Refurb (ex demo machine) you can typically save 30%, but I've seen 40 % off. | 00:13 |
| ianorlin | yeah but then I don't get to build it | 00:14 |
| phillw | you get to mod the life out of it :P | 00:15 |
| phillw | most scary thing I've done is http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Replace-Your-Laptop-s-Backlight/ .... it was an ex-piglet that was going to be used for spares, but my Sis needed a laptop, so I swallowed hard and did it... Not a job I'd like to do too often! | 00:19 |
| phillw | But, it it had lubuntu on it already, so I knew that there no hidden driver issues to trip me up. | 00:20 |
| Shawn287 | why does my monitor shut off althougha video is playing in lubuntu? | 01:31 |
| Shawn287 | I can't find the shut off | 01:31 |
| Shawn287 | is there like a screen saver? | 01:32 |
| phillw | Shawn287: it was fixed, but seems to have crept back in. | 01:32 |
| phillw | AFAIK, it is two bugs. on is that it does it and the 2nd is that when you tell it not to; it ignores your changes. | 01:33 |
| Shawn287 | what are you even talking about? | 01:38 |
| phillw | that your screen saver will not accept being told off. | 01:43 |
| phillw | Shawn287: you'd have to ask someone who's running 14.04 - I'm on 14.10 | 01:44 |
| phillw | Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716 it seems recently fixed up-stream, so we mortals have to be patient. | 01:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1193716 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Xfce Power Manager does not override the screen saver timeout (X11 Screen Saver extension)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:47 |
| Shawn287 | is there a command I can run to stop it? | 01:49 |
| phillw | Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716/comments/50 (you also need to read #51 comment, as that gets reset each boot). | 01:51 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1193716 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Xfce Power Manager does not override the screen saver timeout (X11 Screen Saver extension)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:51 |
| phillw | Shawn287: yup, that's disabled the timeout on my system (gone from 600 to 0) | 01:53 |
| Shawn287 | well seeing as how I am running persistent mode, I dont need to restart for a while | 01:54 |
| holstein | ? | 01:55 |
| Shawn287 | and root isn't the passord | 01:55 |
| phillw | I tend to put up with the minor bugs. | 01:55 |
| holstein | to quote you from earlier.. what are you even talking about ? | 01:55 |
| Shawn287 | eh? | 01:56 |
| Shawn287 | thank you phillw | 01:56 |
| phillw | Shawn287: you may need to logout and log in again for the change to screen saver to take place | 01:56 |
| Shawn287 | xset s off seems pretty easy to remember | 01:56 |
| Shawn287 | ah | 01:56 |
| phillw | not a reboot | 01:57 |
| Shawn287 | I know xD | 01:57 |
| phillw | yeah, we did this at $ prompt, so it will hopefully be read when you log back in. Just check with | 01:58 |
| phillw | xset q | grep -A 2 "Screen Saver:" | 01:58 |
| phillw | Shawn287: has that worked for you? | 02:36 |
| Shawn287 | I logged out, but dont know how to get back in | 02:55 |
| Shawn287 | theres no root | 02:55 |
| phillw | Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1281323/comments/10 | 02:58 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1281323 in One Hundred Papercuts "Lubuntu/Xubuntu Live session locks when away from keyboard" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 02:58 |
| phillw | not a great deal of help... | 02:59 |
| Shawn287 | what the heck | 02:59 |
| Shawn287 | I was told to log out and log back in | 02:59 |
| phillw | I'll see if I can find what the defaults | 02:59 |
| phillw | Shawn287: ys, by me. | 02:59 |
| Shawn287 | why?? | 02:59 |
| Shawn287 | do you know the default login? | 03:00 |
| phillw | to pick up the screen saver change.... anyways... | 03:00 |
| phillw | username=lubuntu, no password press enter | 03:00 |
| Shawn287 | woh thanks | 03:00 |
| Shawn287 | what ever happened to root | 03:00 |
| phillw | root has been disabled in ubuntu for a couple of years now | 03:01 |
| Shawn287 | why?? | 03:03 |
| Shawn287 | thats like an idiot move | 03:03 |
| phillw | the 1st person named on the installation is added to sudoers group. | 03:03 |
| phillw | Shawn287: no, it is not.... it prevents, at a simple step, all the bots who try to log on as root and use dictionary attacks to crack the root password.... There simply is not such a user :P | 03:04 |
| Shawn287 | wlel we need root to modify the system | 03:05 |
| Shawn287 | *well | 03:05 |
| phillw | It was a decision taken by the security team, and people squealed... but why have root usr when you have suduoers group? | 03:05 |
| Shawn287 | or is ubuntu the new mac os x? | 03:05 |
| phillw | Shawn287: you simply use sudo <command>, or, if you're doing a lot of root access root, sudo -i will take to the # prompt. | 03:06 |
| phillw | but, it is not wise to 'live' in root. | 03:06 |
| phillw | people have issues with, say, firefox, and then do sudo firefox, which is a sure fire way to completely break all the config files. | 03:08 |
| Shawn287 | meh | 03:13 |
| Shawn287 | sounds like no one is fixing the issue | 03:13 |
| Shawn287 | but just cutting away the important parts | 03:13 |
| phillw | Shawn287: it is fix released.... | 03:13 |
| Shawn287 | like cutting away ram from a server..and calling it fixed | 03:14 |
| phillw | Shawn287: This bug was fixed in the package lubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 | 03:14 |
| Shawn287 | mmhmm | 03:14 |
| phillw | you are on persistance, do | 03:16 |
| phillw | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade | 03:16 |
| phillw | That will pull in all the fixes... then big deep breath as it also pulls in a new kernel which means a re-boot. | 03:16 |
| Shawn287 | I did | 03:16 |
| Shawn287 | before I started usign it | 03:16 |
| phillw | are you on ubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 ? | 03:16 |
| Shawn287 | I updated today | 03:17 |
| Shawn287 | just before I started using lubuntu | 03:17 |
| Shawn287 | well that didn't work phillw | 03:35 |
| Shawn287 | it still goes to screen saver | 03:35 |
| phillw | ahh, but after reboot, it needs to be re-set. This may simply not be possible with persitance. | 03:36 |
| phillw | Shawn287: sorry, the on you need is lubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 (i missed the 'l') | 03:37 |
| Shawn287 | I only ran sudo apt-get update | 03:37 |
| phillw | update tells the system what it needs, you need to run upgrade to actually get them. That is why when in doubt I say to run | 03:41 |
| phillw | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade | 03:41 |
| phillw | the upgrade part will ask "do you want to do this?"... as you are on stable release, the answer is 'y' :) | 03:42 |
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| phillw | Shawn287: upgrade going okay? | 04:25 |
| Shawn287 | ? | 04:26 |
| Shawn287 | its working fine..other than that screen saver problem | 04:26 |
| phillw | Shawn287: the sudo apt-get upgrade | 04:26 |
| Shawn287 | I dont need to upgrade O.o | 04:27 |
| Shawn287 | this is 14.04 | 04:27 |
| phillw | Shawn287: you do. | 04:27 |
| phillw | upgrade will put in bug fixes. | 04:27 |
| phillw | update only prepares the database of what is needed. | 04:28 |
| phillw | you can update all day and all night... you will never receive any bug update until you upgrade. In debian, it is different to how Red Hat / CentOS works, as that command is more combined | 04:29 |
| phillw | Shawn287: ^^ | 04:30 |
| Shawn287 | theres an upgarde beyong release 14.04? | 04:31 |
| Shawn287 | 8grade | 04:31 |
| phillw | Shawn287: you have to specifically issue extra stuff to upgrade to make it do a dist-upgrade which is, what I think you're worried about. | 04:33 |
| Shawn287 | I'm only on a live usb perssistant mode | 04:34 |
| Shawn287 | nto a full blown system | 04:34 |
| Shawn287 | *not | 04:34 |
| phillw | Shawn287: then use upgrade | 04:36 |
| Shawn287 | as I just said.. I dont need to | 04:36 |
| phillw | do not faint when it says it wants 500 Mb of downloads! | 04:36 |
| phillw | Shawn287: then do not mention bugs :D | 04:37 |
| Shawn287 | ? | 04:37 |
| Shawn287 | and thats one reason why I do not want to upgrade | 04:37 |
| Shawn287 | in perssistent mode | 04:37 |
| Shawn287 | I only have around 200 MBs left in space | 04:38 |
| phillw | Shawn287: then you will not have bug fixes... | 04:38 |
| phillw | Old saying.... "You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink" | 04:38 |
| Shawn287 | and a computer doesn't think for itself | 04:39 |
| Shawn287 | or try to survive | 04:39 |
| Shawn287 | I am happy the way it is | 04:39 |
| Shawn287 | just have to wiggle the mouse | 04:40 |
| phillw | nope, it relies on the human... and when the human is not too sure, the human goes and asks. | 04:40 |
| Shawn287 | .. | 04:40 |
| Shawn287 | thats completely different | 04:40 |
| Shawn287 | invalid for that axium | 04:40 |
| phillw | Shawn287: linux is all about choice. Your system is your system :) | 04:42 |
| phillw | how my system is set up, would not suit anyone else... It is set up for ME :D | 04:43 |
| Shawn287 | lol | 04:44 |
| phillw | Shawn287: you may have noticed, I'm one of the testers, so am already using 14.10 on my day to day machine so as to pick up any gremlins. 14.10 is a minor release for lubuntu, 15.04 is hopefully our massive change to Qt. | 04:47 |
| Shawn287 | qt? | 04:48 |
| phillw | Shawn287: lubuntu is leaving GTK as the bit that does the pop up windows, menus etc. and swithing to Qt. It is a merger of LXDE (which is the DE for lubuntu ) and RazorQT ( another low resource team). So, it will be LXQt :) | 04:51 |
| phillw | Shawn287: http://lxqt.org/ | 04:52 |
| Shawn287 | oh geez | 04:57 |
| phillw | Shawn287: it will be good, others are also joining Qt... more developers is always good :) | 04:58 |
| Shawn287 | I dont like qt D: | 04:59 |
| Shawn287 | I like gtk | 04:59 |
| phillw | gtk2 is out dated, gtk3 seems to have issues..... But, I'm not a dev | 05:00 |
| phillw | wxl our head of Dev has made a statement as to where lubuntu is heading. This is an update on his wishes for 14.10 which cannot happen. | 05:02 |
| phillw | s/wxl/Shawn | 05:03 |
| Shawn287 | ah | 05:06 |
| Shawn287 | blasphemy | 05:07 |
| Shawn287 | genuine propaganda | 05:07 |
| Shawn287 | irony | 05:07 |
| phillw | ?? | 05:11 |
| ianorlin | lts will still be supported for 3 years | 05:13 |
| Shawn287 | but people are already shaming it | 05:45 |
| Shawn287 | reminds me of the ubuntu 10.04 LTS to 10.12 spiel :P | 05:47 |
| Shawn287 | the linux community has quite a few anomalies | 05:47 |
| Shawn287 | ngiht | 06:00 |
| Shawn287 | *night | 06:00 |
| neymar5622 | un salon fr ? | 09:49 |
| neymar5622 | francais | 09:49 |
| neymar5622 | hello | 09:50 |
| neymar5622 | join | 09:55 |
| themisaczech | Dobrý den právě instaluji Lubuntu co to znamená aptu? | 11:23 |
| silverlion | aloha ^^ in here we only understand english | 11:24 |
| themisaczech | What is aptu? | 11:25 |
| wxl | ℳh₴£s€₦Ł | 16:05 |
| wxl | ooops :) | 16:06 |
| phillw | ??! | 16:12 |
| wxl | long story | 16:12 |
| silverlion | aloha wxl | 16:55 |
| wxl | silverlion: hello friend :) | 16:58 |
| Shawn286 | howdy | 19:43 |
| Shawn286 | how come the language system has screwed up on my perssistence live usb disk? | 19:43 |
| phillw | Shawn286: do you have enough free space? | 19:44 |
| Shawn286 | for? | 19:44 |
| phillw | installing the language packs | 19:44 |
| Shawn286 | i dont know nor have I even touched anthing for languages | 19:45 |
| Shawn286 | *anything | 19:45 |
| Shawn286 | I can see german mixed in with english | 19:45 |
| Shawn286 | just showed up like that when I booted up the disk | 19:45 |
| phillw | I still suspect that your image is corrupt. Have you actually tested it, as opposed to telling me that you have? | 19:46 |
| Shawn286 | ???? | 19:46 |
| phillw | 1st job... run self test. | 19:46 |
| Shawn286 | what ever that is | 19:47 |
| phillw | that is why it is included when you boot the installer system. Failure to run can result in stupid and crazy little bugs. | 19:47 |
| phillw | e.g. a mix of languages..... | 19:47 |
| Shawn286 | I never installed... | 19:48 |
| phillw | you are running it in persistance, but you never thought to check the files were not corrupt? | 19:50 |
| Shawn286 | no, I thought the pendrive installers did that | 19:56 |
| melodie | hi Shawn286 | 19:57 |
| phillw | Shawn286: nope, you have to check each usb / cd / dvd as the system does not know if you broke it when making it, it will only check if asked | 19:57 |
| melodie | may I be of some help? | 19:58 |
| melodie | Shawn286 ? | 20:11 |
| Shawn286 | ? | 20:12 |
| melodie | may I be of any help? | 20:14 |
| phillw | Shawn286: have you run the self test on your usb stick? | 20:14 |
| melodie | what are you trying to perform? | 20:14 |
| Shawn286 | nope | 20:14 |
| Shawn286 | I'm just going to run it the way it is | 20:14 |
| Shawn286 | I know some german | 20:14 |
| Shawn286 | I can get around | 20:15 |
| melodie | what is your native language? | 20:15 |
| phillw | Shawn286: then do so.... I have a feeling it may be corrupt. If it is, you can re-install it. | 20:15 |
| Shawn286 | english O.o | 20:15 |
| melodie | aha | 20:15 |
| Shawn286 | ._. | 20:16 |
| melodie | Shawn286 you are running a live Lubuntu, right? | 20:16 |
| Shawn286 | from a perssistence usb drive | 20:16 |
| melodie | or did you get your system from elsewhere? Where did you say you downloaded it? | 20:16 |
| Shawn286 | no o.O | 20:16 |
| Shawn286 | I knever go to other places to get operating systems, always the original developer | 20:17 |
| melodie | Shawn286 usb or else is not too much the problem for me, you have something with german language while your mother tongue is English, something went wrong somewhere :D | 20:17 |
| Shawn286 | wth | 20:17 |
| Shawn286 | that is very rude of you melodie | 20:17 |
| melodie | ok so it's an original Lubuntu, installed with pendrive | 20:17 |
| Shawn286 | I chose to learn german in school, and lubuntu's language system conveniently corrupted | 20:18 |
| melodie | Shawn286 I am a French user and I don't intend to be rude, just helpful, so please don't tell me such things | 20:18 |
| Shawn286 | you are insulting my mother, please leave her out of it | 20:18 |
| melodie | this is a way of saying native language that all people around use | 20:19 |
| melodie | :] | 20:19 |
| melodie | you'll make me blush | 20:19 |
| melodie | and I am a mother myself too... | 20:19 |
| Shawn286 | O.o | 20:20 |
| melodie | phillw I think I'll give up here... sorry. | 20:20 |
| melodie | :-( | 20:21 |
| phillw | Shawn286: be careful who you say silly things to... We have foreigners and females... You've just lost a very good helper, losing me is no big deal - I asked her to try and explain things to you. | 20:22 |
| melodie | Shawn286 I suggest: you change usb stick, you don't use pendrivelinux but something else : Live Linux USB if you are under Windows, or manually made usb boot or obi and retry | 20:22 |
| phillw | do have fun ignoring people wanting to help you. | 20:22 |
| Shawn286 | ?? | 20:23 |
| melodie | phillw +1 | 20:23 |
| Shawn286 | apparently my thought process is too slow to comform to ya | 20:23 |
| Shawn286 | I will take my slowness somewhere else | 20:23 |
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