[00:03] <Shawn287> hi
[00:03] <Shawn287> I got lubuntu working
[00:03]  * wxl claps
[00:03] <Shawn287> it runs smoother than linux mint xD, that is too heavy
[00:04] <phillw> Shawn287: persistence is worth it :) Congrats.
[00:04] <Shawn287> yea
[00:05] <Shawn287> streaming star trek now :D
[00:05] <Shawn287> on my pentium 4
[00:05] <Shawn287> since my tablet is dead :(
[00:06] <phillw> Hmm, my spare machine has been out on loan for ~ 6 months... Piglet has been behaving :)
[00:10]  * ianorlin may be building a new one so he can run 64 bit vms
[00:13] <phillw> ianorlin:  it works out cheaper the get an end of line Refurb (ex demo machine) you can typically save 30%, but I've seen 40 % off.
[00:14] <ianorlin> yeah but then I don't get to build it
[00:15] <phillw> you get to mod the life out of it :P
[00:19] <phillw> most scary thing I've done is http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Replace-Your-Laptop-s-Backlight/ .... it was an ex-piglet that was going to be used for spares, but my Sis needed a laptop, so I swallowed hard and did it... Not a job I'd like to do too often!
[00:20] <phillw> But, it it had lubuntu on it already, so I knew that there no hidden driver issues to trip me up.
[01:31] <Shawn287> why does my monitor shut off althougha video is playing in lubuntu?
[01:31] <Shawn287> I can't find the shut off
[01:32] <Shawn287> is there like a screen saver?
[01:32] <phillw> Shawn287: it was fixed, but seems to have crept back in.
[01:33] <phillw> AFAIK, it is two bugs. on is that it does it and the 2nd is that when you tell it not to; it ignores your changes.
[01:38] <Shawn287> what are you even talking about?
[01:43] <phillw> that your screen saver will not accept being told off.
[01:44] <phillw> Shawn287: you'd have to ask someone who's running 14.04 - I'm on 14.10
[01:47] <phillw> Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716 it seems recently fixed up-stream, so we mortals have to be patient.
[01:49] <Shawn287> is there a command I can run to stop it?
[01:51] <phillw> Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716/comments/50 (you also need to read #51 comment, as that gets reset each boot).
[01:53] <phillw> Shawn287: yup, that's disabled the timeout on my system (gone from 600 to 0)
[01:54] <Shawn287> well seeing as how I am running persistent mode, I dont need to restart for a while
[01:55] <holstein> ?
[01:55] <Shawn287> and root isn't the passord
[01:55] <phillw> I tend to put up with the minor bugs.
[01:55] <holstein> to quote you from earlier.. what are you even talking about ?
[01:56] <Shawn287> eh?
[01:56] <Shawn287> thank you phillw
[01:56] <phillw> Shawn287: you may need to logout and log in again for the change to screen saver to take place
[01:56] <Shawn287> xset s off seems pretty easy to remember
[01:56] <Shawn287> ah
[01:57] <phillw> not a reboot
[01:57] <Shawn287> I know xD
[01:58] <phillw> yeah, we did this at $ prompt, so it will hopefully be read when you log back in. Just check with
[01:58] <phillw> xset q | grep -A 2 "Screen Saver:"
[02:36] <phillw> Shawn287: has that worked for you?
[02:55] <Shawn287> I logged out, but dont know how to get back in
[02:55] <Shawn287> theres no root
[02:58] <phillw> Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1281323/comments/10
[02:59] <phillw> not a great deal of help...
[02:59] <Shawn287> what the heck
[02:59] <Shawn287> I was told to log out and log back in
[02:59] <phillw> I'll see if I can find what the defaults
[02:59] <phillw> Shawn287: ys, by me.
[02:59] <Shawn287> why??
[03:00] <Shawn287> do you know the default login?
[03:00] <phillw> to pick up the screen saver change.... anyways...
[03:00] <phillw> username=lubuntu, no password press enter
[03:00] <Shawn287> woh thanks
[03:00] <Shawn287> what ever happened to root
[03:01] <phillw> root has been disabled in ubuntu for a couple of years now
[03:03] <Shawn287> why??
[03:03] <Shawn287> thats like an idiot move
[03:03] <phillw> the 1st person named on the installation is added to sudoers group.
[03:04] <phillw> Shawn287: no, it is not.... it prevents, at a simple step, all the bots who try to log on as root and use dictionary attacks to crack the root password.... There simply is not such a user :P
[03:05] <Shawn287> wlel we need root to modify the system
[03:05] <Shawn287> *well
[03:05] <phillw> It was a decision taken by the security team, and people squealed... but why have root usr when you have suduoers group?
[03:05] <Shawn287> or is ubuntu the new mac os x?
[03:06] <phillw> Shawn287: you simply use sudo <command>, or, if you're doing a lot of root access root, sudo -i will take to the # prompt.
[03:06] <phillw> but, it is not wise to 'live' in root.
[03:08] <phillw> people have issues with, say, firefox, and then do sudo firefox, which is a sure fire way to completely break all the config files.
[03:13] <Shawn287> meh
[03:13] <Shawn287> sounds like no one is fixing the issue
[03:13] <Shawn287> but just cutting away the important parts
[03:13] <phillw> Shawn287: it is fix released....
[03:14] <Shawn287> like cutting away ram from a server..and calling it fixed
[03:14] <phillw> Shawn287: This bug was fixed in the package lubuntu-default-settings - 0.39
[03:14] <Shawn287> mmhmm
[03:16] <phillw> you are on persistance, do
[03:16] <phillw> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:16] <phillw> That will pull in all the fixes... then big deep breath as it also pulls in a new kernel which means a re-boot.
[03:16] <Shawn287> I did
[03:16] <Shawn287> before I started usign it
[03:16] <phillw> are you on ubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 ?
[03:17] <Shawn287> I updated today
[03:17] <Shawn287> just before I started using lubuntu
[03:35] <Shawn287> well that didn't work phillw
[03:35] <Shawn287> it still goes to screen saver
[03:36] <phillw> ahh, but after reboot, it needs to be re-set. This may simply not be possible with persitance.
[03:37] <phillw> Shawn287: sorry, the on you need is lubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 (i missed the 'l')
[03:37] <Shawn287> I only ran sudo apt-get update
[03:41] <phillw> update tells the system what it needs, you need to run upgrade to actually get them. That is why when in doubt I say to run
[03:41] <phillw> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:42] <phillw> the upgrade part will ask "do you want to do this?"... as you are on stable release, the answer is 'y' :)
[04:25] <phillw> Shawn287: upgrade going okay?
[04:26] <Shawn287> ?
[04:26] <Shawn287> its working fine..other than that screen saver problem
[04:26] <phillw> Shawn287: the sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:27] <Shawn287> I dont need to upgrade O.o
[04:27] <Shawn287> this is 14.04
[04:27] <phillw> Shawn287: you do.
[04:27] <phillw> upgrade will put in bug fixes.
[04:28] <phillw> update only prepares the database of what is needed.
[04:29] <phillw> you can update all day and all night... you will never receive any bug update until you upgrade. In debian, it is different to how Red Hat / CentOS works, as that command is more combined
[04:30] <phillw> Shawn287:  ^^
[04:31] <Shawn287> theres an upgarde beyong release 14.04?
[04:31] <Shawn287> 8grade
[04:33] <phillw> Shawn287: you have to specifically issue extra stuff to upgrade to make it do a dist-upgrade which is, what I think you're worried about.
[04:34] <Shawn287> I'm only on a live usb perssistant mode
[04:34] <Shawn287> nto a full blown system
[04:34] <Shawn287> *not
[04:36] <phillw> Shawn287: then use upgrade
[04:36] <Shawn287> as I just said.. I dont need to
[04:36] <phillw> do not faint when it says it wants 500 Mb of downloads!
[04:37] <phillw> Shawn287: then do not mention bugs :D
[04:37] <Shawn287> ?
[04:37] <Shawn287> and thats one reason why I do not want to upgrade
[04:37] <Shawn287> in perssistent mode
[04:38] <Shawn287> I only have around 200 MBs left in space
[04:38] <phillw> Shawn287: then you will not have bug fixes...
[04:38] <phillw> Old saying.... "You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink"
[04:39] <Shawn287> and a computer doesn't think for itself
[04:39] <Shawn287> or try to survive
[04:39] <Shawn287> I am happy the way it is
[04:40] <Shawn287> just have to wiggle the mouse
[04:40] <phillw> nope, it relies on the human... and when the human is not too sure, the human goes and asks.
[04:40] <Shawn287> ..
[04:40] <Shawn287> thats completely different
[04:40] <Shawn287> invalid for that axium
[04:42] <phillw> Shawn287: linux is all about choice. Your system is your system :)
[04:43] <phillw> how my system is set up, would not suit anyone else... It is set up for ME :D
[04:44] <Shawn287> lol
[04:47] <phillw> Shawn287: you may have noticed, I'm one of the testers, so am already using 14.10 on my day to day machine so as to pick up any gremlins. 14.10 is a minor release for lubuntu, 15.04 is hopefully our massive change to Qt.
[04:48] <Shawn287> qt?
[04:51] <phillw> Shawn287: lubuntu is leaving GTK as the bit that does the pop up windows, menus etc. and swithing to Qt. It is a merger of LXDE (which is the DE for lubuntu ) and RazorQT ( another low resource team). So, it will be LXQt :)
[04:52] <phillw> Shawn287: http://lxqt.org/
[04:57] <Shawn287> oh geez
[04:58] <phillw> Shawn287: it will be good, others are also joining Qt... more developers is always good :)
[04:59] <Shawn287> I dont like qt D:
[04:59] <Shawn287> I like gtk
[05:00] <phillw> gtk2 is out dated, gtk3 seems to have issues..... But, I'm not a dev
[05:02] <phillw> wxl our head of Dev has made a statement as to where lubuntu is heading. This is an update on his wishes for 14.10 which cannot happen.
[05:03] <phillw> s/wxl/Shawn
[05:06] <Shawn287> ah
[05:07] <Shawn287> blasphemy
[05:07] <Shawn287> genuine propaganda
[05:07] <Shawn287> irony
[05:11] <phillw> ??
[05:13] <ianorlin> lts will still be supported for 3 years
[05:45] <Shawn287> but people are already shaming it
[05:47] <Shawn287> reminds me of the ubuntu 10.04 LTS to 10.12 spiel :P
[05:47] <Shawn287> the linux community has quite a few anomalies
[06:00] <Shawn287> ngiht
[06:00] <Shawn287> *night
[09:49] <neymar5622> un salon fr ?
[09:49] <neymar5622> francais
[09:50] <neymar5622> hello
[09:55] <neymar5622> join
[11:23] <themisaczech> Dobrý den právě instaluji Lubuntu co to znamená aptu?
[11:24] <silverlion> aloha ^^ in here we only understand english
[11:25] <themisaczech> What is aptu?
[16:05] <wxl> ℳh₴£s€₦Ł
[16:06] <wxl> ooops :)
[16:12] <phillw> ??!
[16:12] <wxl> long story
[16:55] <silverlion> aloha wxl
[16:58] <wxl> silverlion: hello friend :)
[19:43] <Shawn286> howdy
[19:43] <Shawn286> how come the language system has screwed up on my perssistence live usb disk?
[19:44] <phillw> Shawn286: do you have enough free space?
[19:44] <Shawn286> for?
[19:44] <phillw> installing the language packs
[19:45] <Shawn286> i dont know nor have I even touched anthing for languages
[19:45] <Shawn286> *anything
[19:45] <Shawn286> I can see german mixed in with english
[19:45] <Shawn286> just showed up like that when I booted up the disk
[19:46] <phillw> I still suspect that your image is corrupt. Have you actually tested it, as opposed to telling me that you have?
[19:46] <Shawn286> ????
[19:46] <phillw> 1st job... run self test.
[19:47] <Shawn286> what ever that is
[19:47] <phillw> that is why it is included when you boot the installer system. Failure to run can result in stupid and crazy little bugs.
[19:47] <phillw> e.g. a mix of languages.....
[19:48] <Shawn286> I never installed...
[19:50] <phillw> you are running it in persistance, but you never thought to check the files were not corrupt?
[19:56] <Shawn286> no, I thought the pendrive installers did that
[19:57] <melodie> hi Shawn286
[19:57] <phillw> Shawn286: nope, you have to check each usb / cd / dvd as the system does not know if you broke it when making it, it will only check if asked
[19:58] <melodie> may I be of some help?
[20:11] <melodie> Shawn286 ?
[20:12] <Shawn286> ?
[20:14] <melodie> may I be of any help?
[20:14] <phillw> Shawn286: have you run the self test on your usb stick?
[20:14] <melodie> what are you trying to perform?
[20:14] <Shawn286> nope
[20:14] <Shawn286> I'm just going to run it the way it is
[20:14] <Shawn286> I know some german
[20:15] <Shawn286> I can get around
[20:15] <melodie> what is your native language?
[20:15] <phillw> Shawn286: then do so.... I have a feeling it may be corrupt. If it is, you can re-install it.
[20:15] <Shawn286> english O.o
[20:15] <melodie> aha
[20:16] <Shawn286> ._.
[20:16] <melodie> Shawn286 you are running a live Lubuntu, right?
[20:16] <Shawn286> from a perssistence usb drive
[20:16] <melodie> or did you get your system from elsewhere? Where did you say you downloaded it?
[20:16] <Shawn286> no o.O
[20:17] <Shawn286> I knever go to other places to get operating systems, always the original developer
[20:17] <melodie> Shawn286 usb or else is not too much the problem for me, you have something with german language while your mother tongue is English, something went wrong somewhere :D
[20:17] <Shawn286> wth
[20:17] <Shawn286> that is very rude of you melodie
[20:17] <melodie> ok so it's an original Lubuntu, installed with pendrive
[20:18] <Shawn286> I chose to learn german in school, and lubuntu's language system conveniently corrupted
[20:18] <melodie> Shawn286 I am a French user and I don't intend to be rude, just helpful, so please don't tell me such things
[20:18] <Shawn286> you are insulting my mother, please leave her out of it
[20:19] <melodie> this is a way of saying native language that all people around use
[20:19] <melodie> :]
[20:19] <melodie> you'll make me blush
[20:19] <melodie> and I am a mother myself too...
[20:20] <Shawn286> O.o
[20:20] <melodie> phillw I think I'll give up here... sorry.
[20:21] <melodie> :-(
[20:22] <phillw> Shawn286: be careful who you say silly things to... We have foreigners and females... You've just lost a very good helper, losing me is no big deal - I asked her to try and explain things to you.
[20:22] <melodie> Shawn286 I suggest: you change usb stick, you don't use pendrivelinux but something else : Live Linux USB if you are under Windows, or manually made usb boot or obi and retry
[20:22] <phillw> do have fun ignoring people wanting to help you.
[20:23] <Shawn286> ??
[20:23] <melodie> phillw +1
[20:23] <Shawn286> apparently my thought process is too slow to comform to ya
[20:23] <Shawn286> I will take my slowness somewhere else