[00:03] hi [00:03] I got lubuntu working [00:03] * wxl claps [00:03] it runs smoother than linux mint xD, that is too heavy [00:04] Shawn287: persistence is worth it :) Congrats. [00:04] yea [00:05] streaming star trek now :D [00:05] on my pentium 4 [00:05] since my tablet is dead :( [00:06] Hmm, my spare machine has been out on loan for ~ 6 months... Piglet has been behaving :) [00:10] * ianorlin may be building a new one so he can run 64 bit vms [00:13] ianorlin: it works out cheaper the get an end of line Refurb (ex demo machine) you can typically save 30%, but I've seen 40 % off. [00:14] yeah but then I don't get to build it [00:15] you get to mod the life out of it :P [00:19] most scary thing I've done is http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Replace-Your-Laptop-s-Backlight/ .... it was an ex-piglet that was going to be used for spares, but my Sis needed a laptop, so I swallowed hard and did it... Not a job I'd like to do too often! [00:20] But, it it had lubuntu on it already, so I knew that there no hidden driver issues to trip me up. [01:31] why does my monitor shut off althougha video is playing in lubuntu? [01:31] I can't find the shut off [01:32] is there like a screen saver? [01:32] Shawn287: it was fixed, but seems to have crept back in. [01:33] AFAIK, it is two bugs. on is that it does it and the 2nd is that when you tell it not to; it ignores your changes. [01:38] what are you even talking about? [01:43] that your screen saver will not accept being told off. [01:44] Shawn287: you'd have to ask someone who's running 14.04 - I'm on 14.10 [01:47] Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716 it seems recently fixed up-stream, so we mortals have to be patient. [01:47] Ubuntu bug 1193716 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Xfce Power Manager does not override the screen saver timeout (X11 Screen Saver extension)" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:49] is there a command I can run to stop it? [01:51] Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716/comments/50 (you also need to read #51 comment, as that gets reset each boot). [01:51] Ubuntu bug 1193716 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Xfce Power Manager does not override the screen saver timeout (X11 Screen Saver extension)" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:53] Shawn287: yup, that's disabled the timeout on my system (gone from 600 to 0) [01:54] well seeing as how I am running persistent mode, I dont need to restart for a while [01:55] ? [01:55] and root isn't the passord [01:55] I tend to put up with the minor bugs. [01:55] to quote you from earlier.. what are you even talking about ? [01:56] eh? [01:56] thank you phillw [01:56] Shawn287: you may need to logout and log in again for the change to screen saver to take place [01:56] xset s off seems pretty easy to remember [01:56] ah [01:57] not a reboot [01:57] I know xD [01:58] yeah, we did this at $ prompt, so it will hopefully be read when you log back in. Just check with [01:58] xset q | grep -A 2 "Screen Saver:" [02:36] Shawn287: has that worked for you? [02:55] I logged out, but dont know how to get back in [02:55] theres no root [02:58] Shawn287: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1281323/comments/10 [02:58] Ubuntu bug 1281323 in One Hundred Papercuts "Lubuntu/Xubuntu Live session locks when away from keyboard" [Undecided,Incomplete] [02:59] not a great deal of help... [02:59] what the heck [02:59] I was told to log out and log back in [02:59] I'll see if I can find what the defaults [02:59] Shawn287: ys, by me. [02:59] why?? [03:00] do you know the default login? [03:00] to pick up the screen saver change.... anyways... [03:00] username=lubuntu, no password press enter [03:00] woh thanks [03:00] what ever happened to root [03:01] root has been disabled in ubuntu for a couple of years now [03:03] why?? [03:03] thats like an idiot move [03:03] the 1st person named on the installation is added to sudoers group. [03:04] Shawn287: no, it is not.... it prevents, at a simple step, all the bots who try to log on as root and use dictionary attacks to crack the root password.... There simply is not such a user :P [03:05] wlel we need root to modify the system [03:05] *well [03:05] It was a decision taken by the security team, and people squealed... but why have root usr when you have suduoers group? [03:05] or is ubuntu the new mac os x? [03:06] Shawn287: you simply use sudo , or, if you're doing a lot of root access root, sudo -i will take to the # prompt. [03:06] but, it is not wise to 'live' in root. [03:08] people have issues with, say, firefox, and then do sudo firefox, which is a sure fire way to completely break all the config files. [03:13] meh [03:13] sounds like no one is fixing the issue [03:13] but just cutting away the important parts [03:13] Shawn287: it is fix released.... [03:14] like cutting away ram from a server..and calling it fixed [03:14] Shawn287: This bug was fixed in the package lubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 [03:14] mmhmm [03:16] you are on persistance, do [03:16] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [03:16] That will pull in all the fixes... then big deep breath as it also pulls in a new kernel which means a re-boot. [03:16] I did [03:16] before I started usign it [03:16] are you on ubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 ? [03:17] I updated today [03:17] just before I started using lubuntu [03:35] well that didn't work phillw [03:35] it still goes to screen saver [03:36] ahh, but after reboot, it needs to be re-set. This may simply not be possible with persitance. [03:37] Shawn287: sorry, the on you need is lubuntu-default-settings - 0.39 (i missed the 'l') [03:37] I only ran sudo apt-get update [03:41] update tells the system what it needs, you need to run upgrade to actually get them. That is why when in doubt I say to run [03:41] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [03:42] the upgrade part will ask "do you want to do this?"... as you are on stable release, the answer is 'y' :) === Sachiru is now known as Guest45106 === Sachiru_ is now known as Sachiru === Sachiru is now known as Guest20043 === Sachiru_ is now known as Sachiru [04:25] Shawn287: upgrade going okay? [04:26] ? [04:26] its working fine..other than that screen saver problem [04:26] Shawn287: the sudo apt-get upgrade [04:27] I dont need to upgrade O.o [04:27] this is 14.04 [04:27] Shawn287: you do. [04:27] upgrade will put in bug fixes. [04:28] update only prepares the database of what is needed. [04:29] you can update all day and all night... you will never receive any bug update until you upgrade. In debian, it is different to how Red Hat / CentOS works, as that command is more combined [04:30] Shawn287: ^^ [04:31] theres an upgarde beyong release 14.04? [04:31] 8grade [04:33] Shawn287: you have to specifically issue extra stuff to upgrade to make it do a dist-upgrade which is, what I think you're worried about. [04:34] I'm only on a live usb perssistant mode [04:34] nto a full blown system [04:34] *not [04:36] Shawn287: then use upgrade [04:36] as I just said.. I dont need to [04:36] do not faint when it says it wants 500 Mb of downloads! [04:37] Shawn287: then do not mention bugs :D [04:37] ? [04:37] and thats one reason why I do not want to upgrade [04:37] in perssistent mode [04:38] I only have around 200 MBs left in space [04:38] Shawn287: then you will not have bug fixes... [04:38] Old saying.... "You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink" [04:39] and a computer doesn't think for itself [04:39] or try to survive [04:39] I am happy the way it is [04:40] just have to wiggle the mouse [04:40] nope, it relies on the human... and when the human is not too sure, the human goes and asks. [04:40] .. [04:40] thats completely different [04:40] invalid for that axium [04:42] Shawn287: linux is all about choice. Your system is your system :) [04:43] how my system is set up, would not suit anyone else... It is set up for ME :D [04:44] lol [04:47] Shawn287: you may have noticed, I'm one of the testers, so am already using 14.10 on my day to day machine so as to pick up any gremlins. 14.10 is a minor release for lubuntu, 15.04 is hopefully our massive change to Qt. [04:48] qt? [04:51] Shawn287: lubuntu is leaving GTK as the bit that does the pop up windows, menus etc. and swithing to Qt. It is a merger of LXDE (which is the DE for lubuntu ) and RazorQT ( another low resource team). So, it will be LXQt :) [04:52] Shawn287: http://lxqt.org/ [04:57] oh geez [04:58] Shawn287: it will be good, others are also joining Qt... more developers is always good :) [04:59] I dont like qt D: [04:59] I like gtk [05:00] gtk2 is out dated, gtk3 seems to have issues..... But, I'm not a dev [05:02] wxl our head of Dev has made a statement as to where lubuntu is heading. This is an update on his wishes for 14.10 which cannot happen. [05:03] s/wxl/Shawn [05:06] ah [05:07] blasphemy [05:07] genuine propaganda [05:07] irony [05:11] ?? [05:13] lts will still be supported for 3 years [05:45] but people are already shaming it [05:47] reminds me of the ubuntu 10.04 LTS to 10.12 spiel :P [05:47] the linux community has quite a few anomalies [06:00] ngiht [06:00] *night [09:49] un salon fr ? [09:49] francais [09:50] hello [09:55] join [11:23] Dobrý den právě instaluji Lubuntu co to znamená aptu? [11:24] aloha ^^ in here we only understand english [11:25] What is aptu? [16:05] ℳh₴£s€₦Ł [16:06] ooops :) [16:12] ??! [16:12] long story [16:55] aloha wxl [16:58] silverlion: hello friend :) [19:43] howdy [19:43] how come the language system has screwed up on my perssistence live usb disk? [19:44] Shawn286: do you have enough free space? [19:44] for? [19:44] installing the language packs [19:45] i dont know nor have I even touched anthing for languages [19:45] *anything [19:45] I can see german mixed in with english [19:45] just showed up like that when I booted up the disk [19:46] I still suspect that your image is corrupt. Have you actually tested it, as opposed to telling me that you have? [19:46] ???? [19:46] 1st job... run self test. [19:47] what ever that is [19:47] that is why it is included when you boot the installer system. Failure to run can result in stupid and crazy little bugs. [19:47] e.g. a mix of languages..... [19:48] I never installed... [19:50] you are running it in persistance, but you never thought to check the files were not corrupt? [19:56] no, I thought the pendrive installers did that [19:57] hi Shawn286 [19:57] Shawn286: nope, you have to check each usb / cd / dvd as the system does not know if you broke it when making it, it will only check if asked [19:58] may I be of some help? [20:11] Shawn286 ? [20:12] ? [20:14] may I be of any help? [20:14] Shawn286: have you run the self test on your usb stick? [20:14] what are you trying to perform? [20:14] nope [20:14] I'm just going to run it the way it is [20:14] I know some german [20:15] I can get around [20:15] what is your native language? [20:15] Shawn286: then do so.... I have a feeling it may be corrupt. If it is, you can re-install it. [20:15] english O.o [20:15] aha [20:16] ._. [20:16] Shawn286 you are running a live Lubuntu, right? [20:16] from a perssistence usb drive [20:16] or did you get your system from elsewhere? Where did you say you downloaded it? [20:16] no o.O [20:17] I knever go to other places to get operating systems, always the original developer [20:17] Shawn286 usb or else is not too much the problem for me, you have something with german language while your mother tongue is English, something went wrong somewhere :D [20:17] wth [20:17] that is very rude of you melodie [20:17] ok so it's an original Lubuntu, installed with pendrive [20:18] I chose to learn german in school, and lubuntu's language system conveniently corrupted [20:18] Shawn286 I am a French user and I don't intend to be rude, just helpful, so please don't tell me such things [20:18] you are insulting my mother, please leave her out of it [20:19] this is a way of saying native language that all people around use [20:19] :] [20:19] you'll make me blush [20:19] and I am a mother myself too... [20:20] O.o [20:20] phillw I think I'll give up here... sorry. [20:21] :-( [20:22] Shawn286: be careful who you say silly things to... We have foreigners and females... You've just lost a very good helper, losing me is no big deal - I asked her to try and explain things to you. [20:22] Shawn286 I suggest: you change usb stick, you don't use pendrivelinux but something else : Live Linux USB if you are under Windows, or manually made usb boot or obi and retry [20:22] do have fun ignoring people wanting to help you. [20:23] ?? [20:23] phillw +1 [20:23] apparently my thought process is too slow to comform to ya [20:23] I will take my slowness somewhere else === xnox is now known as xnox_ === xnox_ is now known as Eisbrecher === Eisbrecher is now known as Eisbrecher_xnox