[03:10] <avaz_19> hi guys
[03:10] <avaz_19> This is my fist time a chat service like this
[03:11] <avaz_19> I'm having issues with 14.04 on my Lenovo T520 running kernel 3.13.0-29-generic
[03:12] <avaz_19> Resuming from suspend doesn't seem to work
[03:13] <avaz_19> It always wakes up to a black screen saying "ACPI: unable to dock".  I've searched the forums and I've tried the suggestions out there with no luck
[03:13] <avaz_19> can anyone provide any help?
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> morning
[06:03] <Espionage724> Hey, just had a quick question; was looking to put Ubuntu on my 2013 N7, but noticed the guide mentions factory restoring before installing Ubuntu; I was wondering if there was anything wrong with just using fastboot to format boot, cache, recovery, system, and userdata partitions, and thus having a completely clean N7?
[06:04] <Espionage724> Does Ubuntu rely on anything file-wise from a pre-existing Android ROM?
[06:11] <Espionage724> meh, guess I'll just give it a shot and see
[06:24] <ghostmars919> Hello every one
[06:28] <Espionage724> hi
[06:49] <seb128> bzoltan1, hey, did you see that the ui toolkit from yesterday is blocked in proposed because it made some ubuntu-settings-settings-online-account test unhappy?
[06:50] <seb128> " Object not found with name 'Header' and properties {'visible': True}."
[06:50] <seb128> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/88/
[06:51] <seb128> mardy_, ^
[06:57] <Alex_______> Hello
[06:57] <bzoltan1> seb128: yes, I have seen. It is a false alarm. I have flashed my device, run the tests and they are all OK.
[06:57] <Alex_______> Does Ubuntu for Android exist?
[06:57] <bzoltan1> seb128:  I think that test environment is broken
[06:57] <Alex_______> I install one on my nexus 10,
[06:58] <Alex_______> but looks like it is not the one on the advertisement, it is more like ubuntu touch
[06:58] <seb128> bzoltan1, it was working before the toolkit update though
[06:59] <seb128> bzoltan1, those tests got retried several times since yesterday and fail in a consistent way since the uitk update, so there is something there
[06:59] <Alex_______> any one can help me?
[06:59] <Alex_______> I am thinking about having a dock if it can be projected to desktop and automatically transform to desktop version
[07:00] <popey> Alex_______: Ubuntu for Android was never publicly released
[07:01] <Alex_______> So anything on youtube is fake?
[07:01] <Alex_______> I am trying to make my tablet into a pc, so I don't need to buy a new PC.
[07:01] <bzoltan1> seb128: yes, the test environment is definitely wrong there.
[07:02] <seb128> bzoltan1, how is that the environment's fault?
[07:02] <Alex_______> popey: so the ubuntu-touch won't work
[07:02] <popey> Alex_______: not fake, just not released
[07:02] <Espionage724> Hmm, so turns out formatting partitions before installing Ubuntu works fine; unrelated question, but is it just me, or is Ubuntu a bit on the non-responsive side? Normal actions doesn't feel too snappy at all
[07:02] <bzoltan1> seb128:  because I have flashed my device 8 times in a row and set up the UITK tests and run all the app tests 8 times and the online_accounts app tests were and still are always OK
[07:03] <bzoltan1> seb128:  this is how I commission  my device http://paste.ubuntu.com/7764073/
[07:03] <Alex_______> OK, so there is no way to install even a development version.
[07:03] <popey> Alex_______: of Ubuntu for Android? no.
[07:03] <Alex_______> ok...
[07:03] <seb128> bzoltan1, k, not sure what's going on there, but even if that's an issue with the env you are going to need to debug it on way or another if you want that toolkit update to get in utopic
[07:04] <Alex_______> popey: anyway, I installed ubuntu touch, still a little buggy.
[07:04] <Alex_______> thanks, popey
[07:04] <bzoltan1> seb128:  If i could reproduce the failure I would.
[07:05] <seb128> bzoltan1, maybe somebody from -ci can or mardy has an idea, did you try asking for help on #ubuntu-ci-eng?
[07:05] <bzoltan1> seb128:  in my opinion it is a false failure caused by some weird problem in the test environment. I suggest to reflash or at least reboot that device and set up the test environment again.
[07:06] <seb128> bzoltan1, talk to ci at least, that's not going to happen by magic if you just wait
[07:06] <bzoltan1> seb128:  with special attention that the /home/phabelt/autopilot/ubuntuuitoolkit is removed... as it comes from utopic not from the landing branch
[07:06] <bzoltan1> seb128:  I did tell to cjwatson, robru, Mirv, sil2100 on he CI channel.
[07:06] <seb128> k
[07:07] <seb128> ignore me then
[07:07] <seb128> I was just pointing that it was blocked in proposed in case you didn't notice
[07:10] <bzoltan1> seb128: thanks for pointing out :) better twice than miss once. I do not know what more I can do. The same tests are consistently good when run locally. I think it does not make any sense to hold back the UITK. If the header would be regressing that would cause hundreds of failures
[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <Mirv> Saviq: heya! what's that "Fix for Qt 5.3 crash in unity8 and Qt compositor" and is it still coming? (no silo assigned)
[07:41] <Saviq> Mirv, hmm I think it landed already
[07:42] <Saviq> Mirv, but might've gotten put into distro directly
[07:42] <Saviq> Mirv, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/5.3.0-3ubuntu6
[07:42] <Saviq> Mirv, and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu6
[07:43] <Mirv> Saviq: yes, that's what I thought, but better ask. ok, I'll mark the line as Landed then
[07:43] <Saviq> Mirv, yup, thanks
[07:43] <Saviq> Mirv, welcome back!
[07:43] <Mirv> Saviq: thanks :) !
[07:43] <Mirv> Saviq: FYI landing people were of the opinion that better go with cherry-picking fixes until RTM, ie no 5.3.1
[07:44] <Mirv> so give me a shout if there's anything in the 5.3 branches that we need, etc. I'm currently testing this RFC2822 datetimeformat fix (again, it was supposed to be fixed in upstream 5.3 but not)
[07:44] <Saviq> Mirv, hmm, without considering what's the diff between 5.3 and 5.3.1, can't say I'm happy...
[07:45] <Saviq> but well
[07:46] <Mirv> Saviq: I think the discussion can continue, but also simply looking at 5.3.1 commits in qtbase and qtdeclarative could be enlightening. interestingly, I saw that we managed to autosync qtscript 5.3.1 already... (but it luckily didn't break any runtime checks)
[07:46] <Saviq> Mirv, right...
[07:46] <Mirv> qtbase is hard, it kind of forces updating everything else too.
[07:46] <Mirv> Saviq: I could play around with the thought of testing 5.3.1 qtdeclarative forced to behave with rest of 5.3.0
[07:47] <Saviq> Mirv, if we're sticking with 5.3, let's stick with it
[07:47] <Mirv> yeah
[07:47] <Saviq> Mirv, there's no features that I know of we'd need
[07:47] <Mirv> yeah and nothing is currently known broken either
[07:47] <Saviq> Mirv, so it's rather about things we don't know about
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy SCUD Day! :-D
[08:45] <cjwatson> bzoltan: "device"?  autopkgtests aren't run on ARM of any stripe, those are x86 failures if you look
[08:47] <bzoltan> cjwatson: I just figured
[09:14] <mandel> Elleo, bfiller silo 12 has been tested and approved to land
[09:23] <Elleo> mandel: awesome :)
[09:24] <mandel> Elleo, let me know if anything else is needed, I'm guessing that next iteration is going to be either uploads or proxies :)
[09:24] <mandel> plus people that want me to implemented ftp and sftp.. :)
[09:31] <Elleo> yeah, not sure what the plan is next from our side, I'd guess nothing much until after RTM though
[09:31] <mandel> Elleo, I hope so hehe
[09:32] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:18] <schnuppi84> hello
[10:21] <schnuppi84> it is possible to install ubuntu touch on a tablet?
[10:23] <popey> schnuppi84: on some tablets, yes
[10:29] <schnuppi84> but in native modus, with vnc screen!?
[10:30] <k1l_> schnuppi84: why vnc?
[10:30] <ogra_> (and no, there is no VNC for Mir yet)
[10:31] <schnuppi84> to testing..
[10:33] <schnuppi84> it would be interesting if you can test on your tablet ubuntu and so eg. can fix the wifi, as it has a changing mac address
[10:41] <k1l_> schnuppi84: are you talking about ubuntu-touch or a regular ubuntu desktop?
[10:48] <schnuppi84>  I'm talking about already touch of Ubuntu, but I have no desire android delete a dual boot would be optimal
[10:56] <schnuppi84>  ah I understand slowly
[10:57] <schnuppi84> the ubuntu touch It installs like a modified rom
[10:59] <k1l_> ubuntu-touch is not "a ubuntu with touchscreen support". its the "new" ubuntu with unity and the new x-server MIR that will be on the desktop, too in some time.
[11:00] <k1l_> when you say ubuntu and vnc it sounds like the chroot installs from the regular ubuntu desktop version on an android device.
[11:37] <davmor2> bfiller: can you or someone on your team possibly try something quickly.  Send a text to your ubuntu phone, tap the osd message so it opens the messaging app, then drag down the indicator and try an reply to the message from the indicator.  For me the send option is always greyed out.  I'll fire off a bug as soon as I'm not racing around like a mad man :)
[11:39] <popey> davmor2: this has been filed before I think
[11:40] <popey> bug 1301463
[11:40] <davmor2> popey: I was going to double check I think it was ages ago
[11:40] <popey> davmor2: might want to re-open that bug
[11:41] <davmor2> popey: currently it only seems un responsive if I open the messaging app via the notify osd announcement so might be related, it works fine if I just reply
[11:56] <Laney> jgdxx: hi, did your accountsservice dbusmock go anywhere?
[11:56] <Laney> I want it
[11:59] <jgdxx> Laney, I have yet to make a template out of it. It is in the background tests in lp:~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1297418-apply-new-designs-to-background-panel
[12:00] <Laney> kay, thanks
[12:00] <Laney> I'm going to move it into some common location in another branch
[12:01] <jgdxx> Laney, not a template in dbusmock?
[12:01] <Laney> maybe
[12:02] <Laney> Depends on whether I have the energy to give it a proper interface. :P
[12:02] <Laney> will look post-lunch, brb
[12:22] <cwayne> bzoltan: is uitk still stuck in -proposed?
[12:50] <cwayne> is it possible to have two apps in one click package
[12:50] <cwayne> like for example, a scope and a webapp?
[12:51] <bzoltan> cwayne:  Let me check
[12:57] <bzoltan> cwayne: i am waiting for the new ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts to land  on Utopic. that will unblock the UITK
[12:58] <cwayne> mardy_: ^
[12:59] <mterry> Who do I bug about UITK questions?
[13:01] <seb128> mterry, #ubuntu-app-devel?
[13:01] <mterry> hrm
[13:01] <seb128> cwayne, mardy_, bzoltan, the autopkg tests failed it seems...
[13:02] <seb128> cwayne, mardy_, bzoltan, "could not import package online_accounts_ui: No module named 'ubuntuuitoolkit'"
[13:02] <bzoltan> seb128: yes, I missed a dependency
[13:02] <bzoltan> seb128: this is where the gap is bazaar.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/clean_tests/view/head:/debian/tests/control
[13:05] <Laney> let me test and upload that fix
[13:08] <mterry> mdeslaur, was there a vision for how policykit authentication would happen in Touch?
[13:08] <mdeslaur> mterry: not that I'm aware of
[13:08] <mdeslaur> mterry: I assume we need for unity 8 to become the policykit agent
[13:08] <mdeslaur> much like gnome shell is currently
[13:09] <mterry> mdeslaur, I don't think I've seen any mockups of that
[13:09] <mdeslaur> nope, it's not planned at all AFAIK
[13:09] <cwayne> hm, im having a webapp fail to launch when packaged in a click along with a scope
[13:11] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[13:11] <cwayne> oSoMoN: ping, any idea what's up with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7765521/
[13:12] <oSoMoN> cwayne, does the apparmor manifest of the app have the "webview" policy?
[13:12] <cwayne> oSoMoN: it does not, i thought the 'ubuntu-webapp' template took care of that?
[13:12] <cwayne> let me add it and try again
[13:13] <oSoMoN> cwayne, it probably should indeed, could that be a regression in the ubuntu-webapp template?
[13:13] <oSoMoN> jdstrand, ^^
[13:13] <cwayne> oSoMoN: could it be because I'm using apparmor template 1.2?
[13:15] <jdstrand> you need to specify the webview policy
[13:15] <cwayne> webview, networking, and what else?
[13:15] <jdstrand> it depends on what you need
[13:15]  * jdstrand gets the spec
[13:15] <cwayne> jdstrand: my aa profile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7765538/
[13:15] <jdstrand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/WebAppsConfinement
[13:16] <jdstrand> see 'Implementation for 14.04'
[13:16] <jdstrand> if using a 14.10 framework, you want the policy version to be 1.2 of course
[13:16] <jdstrand> cwayne: nit> that isn't the security profile, that is the security manifest. the profile is what is generated from the manifest
[13:17] <oSoMoN> jdstrand, so it’s expected that the "webview" policy is not inherited from the ubuntu-webapp template?
[13:17]  * jdstrand mentions it cause we should keep the terminology straight otherwise different audiences will get confused
[13:18] <jdstrand> cwayne: the manifest looks fine, assuming you don't need location, content-hub, audio, and video
[13:18] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: that is correct
[13:18] <jdstrand> I recognize it is not optimal
[13:18] <cwayne> jdstrand: of course, sorry, i meant manifest :)
[13:18] <jdstrand> but the review tools will tell people (and the sdk should really set it up right at first)
[13:19] <oSoMoN> jdstrand, ok, thanks for clarifying, I’ve had a bunch of people asking in the last few days, it’s good to know that my recommendation of adding "webview" was correct
[13:19] <jdstrand> cwayne: no worries, I'm sensitive to that because I talk to two different groups of people-- those that only look at the manifest, and those that only look at the profile
[13:19] <cwayne> i added webview, I get the same issues though
[13:20] <jdstrand> there is a much smaller group that looks at both
[13:20] <oSoMoN> cwayne, exact same output?
[13:20] <jdstrand> cwayne: did you regenerate the profile?
[13:20] <cwayne> oSoMoN: seems to be, let me repaste it
[13:20] <cwayne> jdstrand: i rebuilt the click and reinstalled it
[13:20] <jdstrand> cwayne: if the version didn't change, you'll want to use 'sudo aa-clickhook -f'
[13:21] <jdstrand> (that will regenerate all of them)
[13:21] <oSoMoN> cwayne, I’ve seen something like that earlier today, where installing a click over another version of itself didn’t really update the apparmor profile, I then uninstalled the app and re-installed it and it did the trick
[13:21] <oSoMoN> ah, jdstrand has an explanation for everything :)
[13:21] <jdstrand> (one could remove the profile from /var/lib/apparmor/profiles and then just use 'sudo aa-clickhook, which would be faster)
[13:22] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: the reason why is because there is an mtime check on the symlink in /var/lib/apparmor/clicks and the profile in /var/lib/apparmor/profiles. when reinstalling a click witht he same version, the mtime doesn't change on the symlink so the profile is not regenerated
[13:23] <cwayne> ah, got it
[13:23] <cwayne> thanks guys :)
[13:24] <tsdgeos> robotfuel: did you get the comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/unity8/autopilot-helper-to-background-and-signal-app/+merge/220438 ?
[13:41] <mahan> hi all
[13:42] <mahan> now Ubuntu Touch support SMS and Calling?
[13:42] <robotfuel> tsdgeos: I see it now thanks.
[13:42] <mahan> Did you test SMS and Call in Ubuntu Touch?
[13:45] <mahan> ?
[13:46] <ogra_> mahan, yes, SMS, MMS, calls are all supported ...
[13:48] <mahan> ogra_: Really? did you test? with which mobile set?
[13:48] <ogra_> with  the supported one :)
[13:48] <ogra_> (nexus 4)
[13:49] <mahan> ogra_: only nexus 4?
[13:50] <ogra_> well, only nexus4 is supported, not sure if/how well it works on other handsets
[13:50] <ogra_> i thik the nexus5 community port works too
[13:50] <mahan> ogra_: You mean , completely support for SMS,MMS and calls?
[13:53] <mahan> ogra_: Thanks
[14:18] <kenvandine> mhall119, can you refresh the content-hub docs on d.u.c?
[14:29] <mhall119> kenvandine: are there docs in a package for it?
[14:30] <mhall119> mandel: can I publish the download manager docs to production yet?
[14:30] <mandel> mhall119, yes!
[14:31] <sergiusens> barry: hey, can you look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/+bug/1335568
[14:31] <mhall119> mandel: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.DownloadManager/ please give it a quick verification
[14:32] <mandel> mhall119, +1
[14:34] <mhall119> thanks mandel
[14:34] <alecu> cjwatson: mvo_ : hi! did you have a chance to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ClickPackageSigning and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1330770 ?
[14:35] <barry> sergiusens: yeah, that's basically a feature :)
[14:36] <sergiusens> barry: lol; I thought it was supposed to go to 0
[14:36] <mandel> mhall119, since we have the docs in a package now I'll just make sure they are up to date
[14:36] <alecu> cjwatson: mvo_: I'd like to know if I should move forward with downloading the store signature in the click scope, and with passing it to package kit together with the click package.
[14:36] <barry> sergiusens: you would have to pass `-b 0` to force that
[14:36] <sergiusens> barry: does it do full image upgrades if in writable_mode?
[14:36] <sergiusens> barry: if that's the case; should be fine
[14:37] <sergiusens> just worried that a delta update might be incomplete
[14:37] <barry> sergiusens: it doesn't change behavior at all.  it will still calculate the update exactly the same way.  or iow, it doesn't look at the state of /userdata/.writable_image at all
[14:37] <barry> sergiusens: it might be, but we've always said that once you go writable, you're on your own (i.e. it's a developer mode, so you should know what you're doing)
[14:37] <sergiusens> barry: but that means that we aren't guaranteeing a clean update; are we?
[14:38] <barry> sergiusens: only for developers
[14:38] <sergiusens> barry: can't we just do full image updates if in writable?
[14:38] <barry> er, rephrasing: we guarantee that for "normal" users who do not switch to writable mode
[14:38] <sergiusens> barry: once upon a time, updates were halted when in writable; seems the proper thing to do
[14:38] <barry> sergiusens: not by default.  adding -b 0 is easy for the cli
[14:39] <barry> sergiusens: it was never like that via s-i-cli (nor for the -dbus, but that's controlled by system-settings)
[14:39] <barry> s-i-cli is a "developer" tool anyway
[14:39] <sergiusens> barry: I'm certain this was the case in saucy
[14:39] <sergiusens> barry: let me rephrase :-)
[14:39] <mhall119> mandel: sounds good,it's not automated yet so let me know when you publish a new version and I'll update it
[14:39] <sergiusens> barry: if I set writable mode; I'll still see updates in the ui (system settings)
[14:40] <barry> sergiusens: that's a ui bug then :)
[14:40] <sergiusens> barry: ah
[14:41] <sergiusens> good call :-)
[14:41] <barry> sergiusens: i am nothing if not good at pointing fingers :)
[14:41] <barry> sergiusens: i'll follow up on that bug with our conversation.  please open a bugtask for system-settings if necessary
[14:42] <janimo> barry, thankd for the MR reviews, I was away for two weeks, I will address your feedback this week
[14:42] <barry> janimo: cool.  if you can do it in the next day or so, i might be able to get your branches into s-i 2.3, which i expect to release this week, and will probably the the last planned release before rtm
[14:43] <janimo> barry, ok, I'll prioritize it then
[14:43] <barry> (i.e. last feature release)
[14:43] <barry> janimo: awesome, thanks
[14:44] <mvo_> alecu: let me check
[14:45] <pmcgowan> seb128, I got a settings crash on updates page, whats the best way to get info from the crash file?
[14:47] <seb128> pmcgowan, submit it to launchpad, or use apport-retrace on the crash
[14:47] <pmcgowan> seb128, is that working ok for these crash files?
[14:47] <seb128> should be yes
[14:47] <pmcgowan> ok
[14:50] <sergiusens> bzoltan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/phablet-tools#preview
[14:51] <mvo_> alecu: let me sync with cjwatson first, but from my side the outlined approach looks good
[14:51] <bzoltan> sergiusens: that will make it :) I will extend it in my format and include it to the SDK Tools test plan
[14:52] <alecu> mvo_: great. The thing I need to know is how to pass that signature file to packagekit via pkcon
[14:52] <sergiusens> bzoltan: add a watch to the page if you are going to be moving stuff
[14:52] <bzoltan> sergiusens:  is there a plan to make the phablet-click-test-setup work even if a PPA added to the system. timp has filed a bug about it.
[14:52] <bzoltan> sergiusens:  good idea
[14:53] <sergiusens> bzoltan: yeah; I never designed it to support the train system or PPAs
[14:53] <mvo_> alecu: thats what I want to talk to cjwatson about :) if he has a opinion about it
[14:53] <sergiusens> bzoltan: it's low prio for me; but if someone wants to create an MP, I won't stop them
[14:53] <bzoltan> sergiusens:  that is the use case 100% when I use it
[14:53] <sergiusens> bzoltan: well; it was designed for ci and release click testing usage
[14:54] <bzoltan> sergiusens: I understand, just that all landing must start with a local test
[14:56] <sergiusens> bzoltan: I designed this before the train and silos existed; go ask them to give you the testing facilities ;-) it doesn't even consider click packages
[15:03] <cwayne> thostr_: what is the 'transfer indicator'?
[15:03] <thostr_> cwayne: it visualizes/tracks up and downloads
[15:05] <cwayne> ah, cool!
[15:07] <cwayne> alex-abreu: got a webapp url-dispatcher setup working, thanks for the links yesterday :)
[15:07] <alex-abreu> cwayne, awesome ! :)
[15:08] <cwayne> looks so much better imo having it open an app instead of browser :)
[15:17] <mandel> Wellark, I'm seeing some issues with connectivity and ppc build issues, is that known?
[15:19] <mandel> Wellark, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179536189/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-powerpc.connectivity-api_0.0.1%2B14.10.20140708-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:19] <Lokinou> Hello There
[15:20] <tuxico> hi all
[15:22] <Lokinou> I will need to buy a good mobile phone in the next 3 months. Should I keep with the mobile that will be distributed or does anyone know which particular devices would be compatible with ubuntu touch ?
[15:23] <Lokinou> because I found a lot of proprietary driver problems with current devices
[15:24] <tuxico> Limadriver??
[15:25] <xangua> Lokinou: you can see in the topic, about isntalling, the supported devices
[15:25] <xangua> don't know when meizu and bq will start selling theirs
[15:25] <tuxico> there are many other free alternatives for graphics drivers
[15:26] <tuxico> but I think they are not compatible with the latest version of ubuntu
[15:27] <Lokinou> xangua: thanks, I am just mb a bit enthousiatic :)
[15:28] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> rsalveti, r u here?
[15:28] <rsalveti> Shiggs|i7-3770k: yes
[15:28] <Lokinou> but xangua, the supported devices are all galaxy nexus, which mean tablet computers but not mobile phones
[15:28] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> haha hi
[15:28] <Lokinou> with arm x86 processors
[15:29] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> rsalveti, any progress on data for UT on the N5?
[15:29] <rsalveti> Shiggs|i7-3770k: what you mean by on data?
[15:29] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> like cellular data
[15:29] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> 3g/LTE etc
[15:29] <rsalveti> it's already working
[15:29] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> oh?
[15:29] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> I've not played with UT in quite a bit haha
[15:30] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:30] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> I do think I'll wait for a more stable release though
[15:30] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> if I've waited this long....
[15:31] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> rsalveti, have you gotten hw accelleration working?
[15:31] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> the last time I played with it the UI was really sluggish
[15:31] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> and almost unusable
[15:42] <rsalveti> the UI is way better now, but still not perfect
[15:42] <rsalveti> it can be faster for sure
[15:45] <Lokinou> do anyone know why the cellular/radio is not working properly on touch ?
[15:45] <ogra_> works fine here
[15:45] <vesar> does anybody know what's wrong with the list view scrolling these days. It feels rather jerky at the moment. take for example dash.  It used to be smooth but quite recently got much worse. Qt update?
[15:47] <Lokinou> i mean, on the "device supported" page of the website it's kind of Work In progress for the best
[15:48] <ogra_> well on nexus4 cellular definitely works fine
[15:49] <Lokinou> interresting ogra_ !
[15:51] <Lokinou> it looks like the specs of nexus 4 might be better than the actual bq offers
[15:52] <ogra_> well ... it has more ram
[15:52] <ogra_> (teh N4)
[15:53] <Wellark> mandel: so, that test is sometimes flaky on the ppc..
[15:53] <Lokinou> I just want to buy a new phone, and I don't want to install touch on it because (yes BECAUSE !)
[15:53] <Lokinou> oops
[15:53] <Wellark> mandel: usually it goes away if you tricker a rebuild on that builder
[15:53] <Lokinou> i wanted to say
[15:53] <Lokinou> I WANT to
[15:53] <mandel> Wellark, ok, thx
[15:53] <Lokinou> i don't want to miss the release :)
[15:53] <Wellark> mandel: I don't know if it's just the builder that is under extreme load or something.
[15:55] <mandel> Wellark, ack, I'll take a look else I'll make it rebuild 'til it works
[15:55] <Wellark> mandel: if the problem still persist after a rebuild then please send me an email and I will try to harden the tests tomorrow morning
[15:55] <Wellark> couple of rebuilds..
[15:57] <Lokinou> thanks ogra_ i'll spread the word
[15:58] <barry> gatox, mandel please check to see if LP: #1339157 captures our meeting accurately
[15:59]  * gatox checking
[16:01] <gatox> balloons, i think here "u-d-m will cancel downloads if they are paused for a long time (it must also clean up any partially downloaded files)" it's missing what mandel said about checking if the process is still running or not before cleaning... mandel is that right?
[16:02] <mandel> barry, ^^
[16:02] <mandel> unless _balloons was in the meeting ;)
[16:02] <barry> gatox: good catch, thanks.
[16:12] <seb128> pmcgowan, how is apport-retrace not installable?
[16:14] <pmcgowan> seb128, I get an error that it needs gdb which will not be installed
[16:14] <seb128> pmcgowan, what happens if you try to install gdb?
[16:15] <pmcgowan> trying now seb128
[16:16] <Shiggs|i7-3770k> rsalveti, cool
[16:19] <kenvandine> seb128, see my replies on that MP?
[16:19] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm looking at the tests now
[16:20] <kenvandine> Icon was weird, i seemed to show nothing unless i specified the size of an icon that was in the theme
[16:38] <pmcgowan> seb128, now getting ERROR: report file does not contain one of the required fields: CoreDump DistroRelease Package ExecutablePath which is what I got on the desktop
[16:39] <pmcgowan> must be doing it wrong
[16:39] <seb128> pmcgowan, weird
[16:39] <seb128> pmcgowan, you can try to apport-unpack .crash dir
[16:39] <pmcgowan> seb128, yes I did that
[16:39] <seb128> then see if dir has a CoreDump and use gdb on it
[16:39] <seb128> kenvandine, looking in a bit
[16:44] <pmcgowan> seb128, so simply gdb /usr/bin/system-settings CoreDump ?
[16:44] <seb128> pmcgowan, yes
[16:44] <pmcgowan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7766476/
[16:45] <seb128> pmcgowan, "warning: .dynamic section for "/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libubuntu-download-manager-client.so.0" is not at the expected address (wrong library or version mismatch?)" indicates that library changed since you got the issue
[16:45] <pmcgowan> oh fudge
[16:45] <pmcgowan> it did
[16:45] <seb128> pmcgowan, can you look into procmap what binary has 0x008950f0
[16:51] <pmcgowan> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7766514/ seems like the heap, so must be reading thsi wrong
[16:52] <seb128> pmcgowan, no, that's not wrong reading, that means there is not a lot we can get from that .crash :/
[16:52] <pmcgowan> seb128, ah shoot
[16:52] <seb128> pmcgowan, next time try getting a bt on the device before updating any package
[16:52] <pmcgowan> seb128, will do
[16:52] <seb128> thanks
[16:52] <pmcgowan> ty
[17:04] <seb128> kenvandine, there is no reply on the mp that I can see?
[17:39] <kenvandine> seb128, inline... it's hard to find those inline comments
[17:41] <seb128> kenvandine, especially when they are not there :p
[17:41] <seb128> kenvandine, are you sure you pressed submit in the comment box?
[17:41] <seb128> kenvandine, that's confusing as well
[17:41] <seb128> but they are not sent until you press "save comments" on the top box
[17:42] <kenvandine> i think i did :)
[17:42] <seb128> kenvandine, can you point me to one of those?
[17:42] <seb128> I wonder if I just see through them or somebody
[17:42] <seb128> ups
[17:42] <seb128> something
[17:43] <kenvandine> seb128, now i don't see your inline comments!
[17:43] <seb128> kenvandine, you need to pick the revision in the combo box
[17:43] <kenvandine> oh
[17:44] <kenvandine> ah... now i see "unsaved comment"
[17:44] <seb128> ;-)
[17:44] <kenvandine> where's the save button?
[17:44] <kenvandine> oh
[17:44] <kenvandine> top box you said
[17:44] <seb128> it's the one from the old entry
[17:44] <seb128> yes
[17:44] <kenvandine> that's confusing as hell
[17:44] <seb128> it is :/
[17:45] <seb128> you also need to click the green check on the comments to validate them
[17:45] <seb128> before sending
[17:45] <seb128> if you have "unsaved" you probably didn't do that
[17:46] <seb128> kenvandine, worked this time ;-)
[17:46] <kenvandine> i didn't see the validate thing
[17:46] <kenvandine> well this whole process is annoying :)
[17:46] <seb128> on the right of the box
[17:46] <seb128> you have red/green icons
[17:46] <seb128> top right
[17:46] <kenvandine> i was excited about inline comments... not so sure now
[17:47] <seb128> well, those are small UI issues, that's going to be fixed
[17:47] <seb128> then things can be good ;-)
[17:47]  * ogra_ guesses you havent gotten an MP mail with inlin coments in a 1MB diff yet :P
[17:47] <ogra_> (it sends the whole diff and you have to search for the comments in it)
[17:48] <seb128> "sends"?
[17:48] <ogra_> well, in the mail you always have the full diff
[17:48] <seb128> those are truncated usually
[17:49] <ogra_> even if there is only a one line comment somewhere in the middle
[17:49] <seb128> they tell you "connect on launchpad to see the full change"
[17:49] <seb128> kenvandine, I still don't see your comments :/
[17:49] <ogra_> well, i have a bunch here where you have several pages to scroll until the first inline comment
[17:49] <ogra_> it doesnt trim
[17:49] <kenvandine> seb128, on the first rev
[17:50] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, good them!
[17:50] <seb128> that's tedious
[17:51] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:51] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, makes sense ... just need to fix the tests then ;-)
[17:51] <seb128> on that note, dinner time, bbl
[17:51] <kenvandine> i'm glad i nagged you about feedback on my replies... since they weren't there and all :)
[18:10] <taeric> Has there been any success using the Ubuntu touch sources on a regular touch laptop?  Specifically the x220 tablet.
[18:11] <taeric> I'm assuming it wouldn't be the best experience, but I am also really curious to give it a try.
[18:12] <beuno> taeric, there's some work in 14.10 for that
[18:14] <sergiusens> taeric: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[18:16] <taeric> Awesome, thanks!
[18:45] <bregma> Hey, I have some odd states in the Unity 8 desktop: one of my test systems won't render anything except the panel and the red rotating dots (pulling down an indicator works, except the indicator is an empty black panel on a black background)
[18:46] <bregma> as far as I know this is a vanilla Utopic installation
[18:46] <bregma> I have an almost identical installation, stuff works correctly
[20:43] <cyphermox> ChickenCutlass: hey, any luck wit hthe ubuntu-system-settings package in my ppa? :)
[20:44] <cyphermox> it's done building: https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/nv-build/+build/6165778
[20:45] <ChickenCutlass> cyphermox: ok. I will test
[20:45] <cyphermox> cool :)
[20:45] <cyphermox> sorry about the delay before, I think the builds crapped out because of the way these things play with dbus for tests and all
[21:12] <ChickenCutlass> cyphermox: not working at all now
[21:12] <ChickenCutlass> cyphermox: tapping on my speaker yields nothing.
[21:12] <ChickenCutlass> cyphermox: not even trying to connect.
[21:14] <n3tJ4ckr> Does anyone know what sort of integration ubuntu touch will have with the desktop?
[21:15] <dobey> n3tJ4ckr: at some point they will be converged
[21:17] <n3tJ4ckr> dobey: Yeah I get that, but when should I expect that 14.10? Also how 'Converged' will it be?
[21:18] <beuno> n3tJ4ckr, 14.10 will have a preview of Unity8 and Mir
[21:18] <beuno> but will likely not be super usable and have a lot of rough edges
[21:18] <beuno> there's no hard target yet
[21:19] <beuno> likely before the next LTS
[21:19] <n3tJ4ckr> Fair enough
[21:19] <dobey> no, not in 14.10. there will be a preview of unity8/mir to use on a pc, but it will basically be as the phone is, and not much like unity7 is
[21:19] <beuno> we'll see, it'll be incremental with each release
[21:20] <n3tJ4ckr> Thanks you for the clarification dobey & beuno, appreciate it!
[21:46] <Chipaca> hiya people
[21:47] <Chipaca> just flashed my phone, forgetting to add --developer-mode, and now i've got no adb, ... how do i enable dev mode again?
[21:50]  * Chipaca goes with --bootstrap
[21:55] <ogra_> Chipaca, android-gadget-service enable adb
[21:55] <ogra_> in the terminal app
[21:57] <Chipaca> ah, drat :)
[21:57] <Chipaca> ogra_: just rebooted from the reinstall