| 23LAAZJHJ | Morning everyone | 04:56 |
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| === 23LAAZJHJ is now known as bduk1 | ||
| bduk1 | Probeer weer, More almal | 04:57 |
| Kilos | bbrrrrrrr | 05:58 |
| Symmetria | gah, damn dell | 06:46 |
| Symmetria | I cant believe Im doing this, installing windoze to configure a san so I can reboot and install linux :P because the damn linux versions are deadrat only | 06:46 |
| Symmetria | they wont install under ubuntu | 06:46 |
| Symmetria | so either install windoze or install deadrat or suse | 06:47 |
| Kilos | ai! | 06:47 |
| Symmetria | and on principle I wont install deadrat on anything | 06:47 |
| nuvolari | o/ oh hi | 06:55 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari | 06:56 |
| nuvolari | hi oom Kilos | 06:56 |
| Symmetria | I seriously wish companies like dell would realize no one uses deadrat anymore | 07:02 |
| charl | good morning | 07:02 |
| Symmetria | and they really should start supporting linux distributions that are slightly more modern | 07:02 |
| * Symmetria bitches and whines | 07:03 | |
| Kilos | hi charl battling to type hands are so cold | 07:03 |
| charl | Kilos: bah :( | 07:03 |
| Kilos | Symmetria, petition them | 07:03 |
| charl | Symmetria: i had that the other day - needed to install dataverse network and the only officially supported linux distro is deadrat | 07:03 |
| charl | Symmetria: ended up installing centos though, i'm not going to even bother buying deadrat licenses | 07:04 |
| Symmetria | Im gonna install suse, this windows installation is giving me crap | 07:04 |
| charl | arnaudmez: so you're on congo ! whow don't get many congonese people here | 07:26 |
| Kilos | hi arnaudmez | 07:27 |
| Symmetria | which congo | 07:40 |
| Symmetria | the drc or congo da brazil | 07:40 |
| arnaudmez | hi charl | 07:46 |
| arnaudmez | hi Kilos | 07:46 |
| arnaudmez | Symmetria: Congo Brazzaville | 07:46 |
| arnaudmez | charl: where are you located ? | 07:46 |
| Symmetria | I'm always amused by the fact that there is a large fiber system between brazzaville and kinshasa but its never been plugged in | 07:47 |
| Symmetria | because the governments can't agree on crap | 07:47 |
| arnaudmez | Symmetria: you are right but also remember historically these two countries are totally different and almost never worked together | 07:48 |
| Symmetria | *sigh* why does suse linux installation insist on sending dhcp to every interface that you can't cancel and have to wait to time out before install | 07:49 |
| arnaudmez | Symmetria: the only thing that link these two is the river | 07:49 |
| Symmetria | you have any idea how long that takes when you have 14 interfaces in the box :P | 07:49 |
| Symmetria | arnaudmez yeah but its still bizarre because kinshasa is the only way to get to WACS | 07:49 |
| Symmetria | thats the entire problem with most of west africa though, no one wants to work together even in their own mutual benefit | 07:50 |
| arnaudmez | Symmetria: actually not, kinshasa put his hope on Brazzaville for access to WACS to be effective | 07:51 |
| arnaudmez | kinshasa doesn't have direct access to the sea cable at all but still they are preparing necessary infrastructures for the day all will get finalized with Brazzaville regarding F.O | 07:52 |
| arnaudmez | but after all, i can only tell you what the news paper tells us :-) | 07:54 |
| Symmetria | arnaudmez heh, there is direct fiber to the wacs station from kinshasa | 07:57 |
| Symmetria | I know because I've seen it myself | 07:57 |
| Symmetria | trust me on this :P if there is one thing I know about, its where fiber in africa goes | 07:57 |
| Symmetria | lol I can tell you a lot about what the papers ARENT saying :) | 08:09 |
| arnaudmez | Symmetria: :-) | 08:12 |
| Symmetria | wow we're running at 1.3gig into kampala right now | 08:20 |
| Symmetria | thats... high | 08:20 |
| Symmetria | heh finally decided for configuring I'd go with SL6.5 since I had shit installing suse and windows :P | 08:23 |
| Symmetria | SL6.5 seems to be installing ok :P | 08:23 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 08:28 |
| Vince-0 | o/ | 08:31 |
| === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle | ||
| inetpro | good evening | 08:58 |
| inetpro | oops, mornings as well | 08:58 |
| Kilos | helloooo inetpro | 08:58 |
| Kilos | vrek koud ne | 08:58 |
| inetpro | sun is shining | 08:58 |
| Kilos | ya man you know what i mean. how were your hands when you got to work? | 08:59 |
| Golynx_ | all i see is white mountains when i step outside | 08:59 |
| inetpro | not as bad as other days | 08:59 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:01 |
| charl | arnaudmez: in NL | 09:02 |
| Golynx_ | flowcharts to design programs . Good or bad? | 09:03 |
| Golynx_ | pseudo code is confusing | 09:03 |
| charl | Golynx_: what are you trying to do exactly | 09:04 |
| Golynx_ | design a life manager app | 09:04 |
| inetpro | a life manager app? | 09:05 |
| Golynx_ | i like the visual structure of flowcharts , so i know what i'm doing | 09:05 |
| Golynx_ | i cant go into much details | 09:06 |
| inetpro | you mean as in lifecycle management? | 09:06 |
| Golynx_ | its just flowcharts that improves the design experience so much more | 09:06 |
| charl | that is so vague i have no idea what it's supposed to mean | 09:07 |
| Golynx_ | nope real person("life", "living", "alive") | 09:08 |
| charl | as in, get up, brush your teeth, eat breakfast, drink coffee, go to work ? | 09:09 |
| Golynx_ | hmm i guess no one here design programs then, nevermind | 09:09 |
| inetpro | uh, so your question is? | 09:09 |
| Golynx_ | charl ja | 09:10 |
| charl | why would you want that ? | 09:10 |
| Golynx_ | the question is , does anyone here use flowcharts to design programs | 09:10 |
| charl | on the odd occasion if you have complex architecture or data flows yes | 09:11 |
| charl | but not to "design programs" per se, more on a higher level | 09:11 |
| Golynx_ | charl not me, all the people that care about knowing themselves and improving themselves | 09:11 |
| * inetpro prefers to see things mapped out visually but haven't been doing programming for some time | 09:12 | |
| Golynx_ | yes , flowcharts is a kind of higher level language in itself | 09:12 |
| inetpro | sometimes it can be a waste of precious time | 09:12 |
| Golynx_ | inetpro: designing with flowcharts first without diving into coding is very rewarding. A whole lot less bugs to worry about in the future | 09:13 |
| inetpro | definitely helps when you have to transfer conceptual knowledge to others in a team | 09:14 |
| Golynx_ | yeah true | 09:15 |
| inetpro | but programming in a team is always very difficult and can slow you down to a grind | 09:17 |
| inetpro | obviously the opposite can be true if you have a team that works together very well | 09:17 |
| inetpro | Golynx_: so waht do you use for drawing the flowcharts? | 09:19 |
| inetpro | what as well | 09:20 |
| Golynx_ | first i used Dia , but too much bloat. Now i'm fine with the smaller clickcharts. It gets the job done fast. | 09:22 |
| mazal | Oom Kilos , I just found a Nyan Cat and Nyan Cat Rainbow !! :)) | 09:35 |
| inetpro | Golynx_: smaller clickcharts like? | 09:36 |
| mazal | Both of them right next to each other :) | 09:36 |
| Kilos | hi mazal bduk1 | 09:41 |
| Golynx_ | inetpro: its about 2mb with a lot of features. I like anything made by Nch software. All of there programs are small and powerful. | 09:41 |
| Kilos | wow mazal | 09:41 |
| Golynx_ | their* | 09:41 |
| Kilos | how far down and in what area | 09:41 |
| inetpro | Golynx_: 2mb? Wow, where do you get that? | 09:42 |
| Golynx_ | but its for windows :) | 09:42 |
| inetpro | ai! | 09:42 |
| Golynx_ | http://www.nchsoftware.com | 09:43 |
| mazal | Oom Kilos I was only at -388 | 09:44 |
| mazal | Saw a pink glow , and there it was :) | 09:44 |
| Kilos | in what area mazal? desert or green valleys or what | 09:47 |
| Kilos | i dont know what you can do with it | 09:47 |
| mazal | I'm not sure what is on top of me , if my bearings is correct I am under a desert | 09:48 |
| mazal | Started below dirt but had to move left while mining a few times to avoid lava and caves and think I am below a big desert by now | 09:49 |
| superfly | Golynx_: that's what I use a todo manager for | 09:51 |
| Kilos | hi superfly | 09:55 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 09:55 |
| Golynx_ | superfly: its got nothing to do with a todo list lol | 09:56 |
| Golynx_ | its something way different | 09:57 |
| Golynx_ | i may include a todo list feature in it, so thanks for the idea :) | 09:59 |
| arnaudmez | hi superfly | 09:59 |
| superfly | hi arnaudmez | 09:59 |
| Golynx_ | superfly: is lua better than python? | 10:04 |
| superfly | Golynx_: I've never used Lua | 10:06 |
| Golynx_ | oh ok, i will ask google :) | 10:07 |
| jabberwockya19 | Golynx_: it's faster | 10:16 |
| jabberwockya19 | just missed him | 10:16 |
| superfly | "it's faster" is really not much of an argument these days | 10:16 |
| jabberwockya19 | all depends on what you're trying to do | 10:17 |
| jabberwockya19 | but yeah mostly people just want something that "works" | 10:17 |
| superfly | These days a business is more interested in "how quickly can we get this out?" | 10:18 |
| superfly | and that is one of the areas where Python excels. | 10:18 |
| jabberwockya19 | yeah, and then you also get languages that is slow but later gets very optimized, JS is a good example with v8 and asmjs etc | 10:18 |
| superfly | eish... JS... almost as bad as PHP | 10:20 |
| jabberwockya19 | sad but true | 10:20 |
| jabberwockya19 | one example where lua is beter than python (or any other scripting lang) is where it's used in 3d engines | 10:20 |
| superfly | loosely types languages are horrible | 10:20 |
| superfly | yes, like minetest ;-) | 10:21 |
| superfly | I think it's because it's easy to write a plugin system for a C++ app that uses Lua | 10:21 |
| jabberwockya19 | I love the design of golang, I don't know the lang very well, but the more I study it the more I like it | 10:21 |
| jabberwockya19 | the strong type yet still dynamic aspect is not easy to balance | 10:22 |
| jabberwockya19 | it's funny how people support broken tech, like facebook and their hiphopVM than later releasing hacklang and meanwhile people are still developing php in the background | 10:25 |
| jabberwockya19 | hacklang question: why do you reinvent the wheel? answer: because php's wheel is a triangle | 10:27 |
| superfly | jabberwockya19: https://www.flickr.com/photos/raindrift/sets/72157629492908038 | 11:01 |
| charl | used extundelete for the first time - worked amazing ! | 11:04 |
| jabberwockya19 | superfly: I've seen that before, but never knew it was a real thing! (too much photoshop going around) | 11:11 |
| jabberwockya19 | awesome name for recovery software, I wil remember it | 11:13 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: I'd say these days it's worse. JS is the new PHP | 11:53 |
| tumbleweed | the newbies use it for everything | 11:53 |
| Golynx_ | js is the future! | 11:54 |
| Golynx_ | nodejs should replace php though | 11:54 |
| Golynx_ | i hope websockets kills http | 11:55 |
| tumbleweed | I hope the opposite | 11:55 |
| tumbleweed | I can speak http, it's simple | 11:55 |
| Golynx_ | http its too old and static | 11:56 |
| Golynx_ | websockets are dynamic and got so much more to offer | 11:56 |
| jabberwockya19_ | can't tell if you're tolling or not :-/ | 12:11 |
| jabberwockya19_ | I developed 2 years full time using nodejs & coffescript, I loved it! | 12:15 |
| jabberwockya19_ | That was also the first time we wrote tests for our code and we had a really good team of devs | 12:15 |
| jabberwockya19_ | when your app becomes really complex it's very difficult to maintain loose type software and it's as simple as that | 12:16 |
| jabberwockya19_ | tl;dr use node to test the market for new creative ideas | 12:17 |
| mazal | Bye everyone , have a good night | 12:47 |
| jabberwockya19__ | superfly: this one is also funny http://www.php.net/manual/en/datetimeimmutable.modify.php | 12:55 |
| charl | jabberwockya19_: for a moment there you were like this: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5649065728/hF4995500/ | 14:34 |
| jabberwockya19_ | hahaha I love that meme! | 14:35 |
| charl | same guy as shut up and take my money ! | 14:36 |
| Symmetria | ./dev/md0 121T 36M 121T 1% /mirror-data | 14:57 |
| Symmetria | BOOM | 14:57 |
| Symmetria | last reboot and I can go home :P hopefully it comes up the way it should | 15:00 |
| jabberwockya19_ | Symmetria: so... what's your favourite type of drive ^_^ | 15:02 |
| Symmetria | jabber lol, I use seagates myself at home, these are also seagates I think | 15:02 |
| Symmetria | though in large arrays, I dont really give a damn much anymore | 15:02 |
| Symmetria | I just like having a 121 terabyte file system | 15:03 |
| Symmetria | ;p | 15:03 |
| Symmetria | that makes me warm and fuzzy | 15:03 |
| Symmetria | I just hope the thing doesnt keep renaming my network interfaces, it was doing wierd things and couldnt decide what to name interfaces, it was renaming them on reboot | 15:05 |
| Symmetria | which really screwed shit up | 15:05 |
| jabberwockya19_ | how many raid contollers did you use? | 15:06 |
| jabberwockya19_ | te best one I've had was a R3000 LSI 4 port pci-e controller, I'm not a sysadmin tho | 15:07 |
| jabberwockya19_ | at home I just use rsync for backups, I've used backup pc in the past | 15:09 |
| Symmetria | heh, this is a single dual port 6gig SAS HBA linked to several units | 15:09 |
| Symmetria | that are full of drives | 15:10 |
| theblazehen | Symmetria: search udev network naming | 15:15 |
| theblazehen | Change happened in arch a few months back. | 15:16 |
| theblazehen | They look like enp2s0 right? | 15:16 |
| Symmetria | heh, p3p4 etc etc | 15:17 |
| Symmetria | I have 15 interfaces in here though and its getting confusing | 15:17 |
| Symmetria | I think Im gonna go with net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0 on my kernel config | 15:18 |
| Symmetria | to stop it | 15:18 |
| Symmetria | anyway heading home | 15:18 |
| Symmetria | back from there | 15:18 |
| theblazehen | ah | 15:18 |
| * Symmetria leaves his new server rsync'ing ubuntu | 15:18 | |
| theblazehen | nothing in udev? | 15:18 |
| theblazehen | Symmetria: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168209 | 16:14 |
| theblazehen | Are you running RHEL or centos? | 16:15 |
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| arnaudmez | theblazehen: thank you | 16:34 |
| arnaudmez | your question remind me to look at centos 7 final release | 16:34 |
| theblazehen | arnaudmez: heh, np | 16:36 |
| theblazehen | Piece of shit pulseaudio ... | 17:29 |
| theblazehen | 2 MB/s of bandwidth to stream | 17:29 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight. i go hug my hot water bottle to death | 18:33 |
| theblazehen | heh, running a tor relay is fun. average 720 KB/s | 18:35 |
| === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle | ||
| === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] | ||
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