[04:56] <23LAAZJHJ> Morning everyone === 23LAAZJHJ is now known as bduk1 [04:57] Probeer weer, More almal [05:58] bbrrrrrrr [06:46] gah, damn dell [06:46] I cant believe Im doing this, installing windoze to configure a san so I can reboot and install linux :P because the damn linux versions are deadrat only [06:46] they wont install under ubuntu [06:47] so either install windoze or install deadrat or suse [06:47] ai! [06:47] and on principle I wont install deadrat on anything [06:55] o/ oh hi [06:56] lo nuvolari [06:56] hi oom Kilos [07:02] I seriously wish companies like dell would realize no one uses deadrat anymore [07:02] good morning [07:02] and they really should start supporting linux distributions that are slightly more modern [07:03] * Symmetria bitches and whines [07:03] hi charl battling to type hands are so cold [07:03] Kilos: bah :( [07:03] Symmetria, petition them [07:03] Symmetria: i had that the other day - needed to install dataverse network and the only officially supported linux distro is deadrat [07:04] Symmetria: ended up installing centos though, i'm not going to even bother buying deadrat licenses [07:04] Im gonna install suse, this windows installation is giving me crap [07:26] arnaudmez: so you're on congo ! whow don't get many congonese people here [07:27] hi arnaudmez [07:40] which congo [07:40] the drc or congo da brazil [07:46] hi charl [07:46] hi Kilos [07:46] Symmetria: Congo Brazzaville [07:46] charl: where are you located ? [07:47] I'm always amused by the fact that there is a large fiber system between brazzaville and kinshasa but its never been plugged in [07:47] because the governments can't agree on crap [07:48] Symmetria: you are right but also remember historically these two countries are totally different and almost never worked together [07:49] *sigh* why does suse linux installation insist on sending dhcp to every interface that you can't cancel and have to wait to time out before install [07:49] Symmetria: the only thing that link these two is the river [07:49] you have any idea how long that takes when you have 14 interfaces in the box :P [07:49] arnaudmez yeah but its still bizarre because kinshasa is the only way to get to WACS [07:50] thats the entire problem with most of west africa though, no one wants to work together even in their own mutual benefit [07:51] Symmetria: actually not, kinshasa put his hope on Brazzaville for access to WACS to be effective [07:52] kinshasa doesn't have direct access to the sea cable at all but still they are preparing necessary infrastructures for the day all will get finalized with Brazzaville regarding F.O [07:54] but after all, i can only tell you what the news paper tells us :-) [07:57] arnaudmez heh, there is direct fiber to the wacs station from kinshasa [07:57] I know because I've seen it myself [07:57] trust me on this :P if there is one thing I know about, its where fiber in africa goes [08:09] lol I can tell you a lot about what the papers ARENT saying :) [08:12] Symmetria: :-) [08:20] wow we're running at 1.3gig into kampala right now [08:20] thats... high [08:23] heh finally decided for configuring I'd go with SL6.5 since I had shit installing suse and windows :P [08:23] SL6.5 seems to be installing ok :P [08:28] hi Vince-0 [08:31] o/ === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle [08:58] good evening [08:58] oops, mornings as well [08:58] helloooo inetpro [08:58] vrek koud ne [08:58] sun is shining [08:59] ya man you know what i mean. how were your hands when you got to work? [08:59] all i see is white mountains when i step outside [08:59] not as bad as other days [09:01] ai! [09:02] arnaudmez: in NL [09:03] flowcharts to design programs . Good or bad? [09:03] pseudo code is confusing [09:04] Golynx_: what are you trying to do exactly [09:04] design a life manager app [09:05] a life manager app? [09:05] i like the visual structure of flowcharts , so i know what i'm doing [09:06] i cant go into much details [09:06] you mean as in lifecycle management? [09:06] its just flowcharts that improves the design experience so much more [09:07] that is so vague i have no idea what it's supposed to mean [09:08] nope real person("life", "living", "alive") [09:09] as in, get up, brush your teeth, eat breakfast, drink coffee, go to work ? [09:09] hmm i guess no one here design programs then, nevermind [09:09] uh, so your question is? [09:10] charl ja [09:10] why would you want that ? [09:10] the question is , does anyone here use flowcharts to design programs [09:11] on the odd occasion if you have complex architecture or data flows yes [09:11] but not to "design programs" per se, more on a higher level [09:11] charl not me, all the people that care about knowing themselves and improving themselves [09:12] * inetpro prefers to see things mapped out visually but haven't been doing programming for some time [09:12] yes , flowcharts is a kind of higher level language in itself [09:12] sometimes it can be a waste of precious time [09:13] inetpro: designing with flowcharts first without diving into coding is very rewarding. A whole lot less bugs to worry about in the future [09:14] definitely helps when you have to transfer conceptual knowledge to others in a team [09:15] yeah true [09:17] but programming in a team is always very difficult and can slow you down to a grind [09:17] obviously the opposite can be true if you have a team that works together very well [09:19] Golynx_: so waht do you use for drawing the flowcharts? [09:20] what as well [09:22] first i used Dia , but too much bloat. Now i'm fine with the smaller clickcharts. It gets the job done fast. [09:35] Oom Kilos , I just found a Nyan Cat and Nyan Cat Rainbow !! :)) [09:36] Golynx_: smaller clickcharts like? [09:36] Both of them right next to each other :) [09:41] hi mazal bduk1 [09:41] inetpro: its about 2mb with a lot of features. I like anything made by Nch software. All of there programs are small and powerful. [09:41] wow mazal [09:41] their* [09:41] how far down and in what area [09:42] Golynx_: 2mb? Wow, where do you get that? [09:42] but its for windows :) [09:42] ai! [09:43] http://www.nchsoftware.com [09:44] Oom Kilos I was only at -388 [09:44] Saw a pink glow , and there it was :) [09:47] in what area mazal? desert or green valleys or what [09:47] i dont know what you can do with it [09:48] I'm not sure what is on top of me , if my bearings is correct I am under a desert [09:49] Started below dirt but had to move left while mining a few times to avoid lava and caves and think I am below a big desert by now [09:51] Golynx_: that's what I use a todo manager for [09:55] hi superfly [09:55] hi Kilos [09:56] superfly: its got nothing to do with a todo list lol [09:57] its something way different [09:59] i may include a todo list feature in it, so thanks for the idea :) [09:59] hi superfly [09:59] hi arnaudmez [10:04] superfly: is lua better than python? [10:06] Golynx_: I've never used Lua [10:07] oh ok, i will ask google :) [10:16] Golynx_: it's faster [10:16] just missed him [10:16] "it's faster" is really not much of an argument these days [10:17] all depends on what you're trying to do [10:17] but yeah mostly people just want something that "works" [10:18] These days a business is more interested in "how quickly can we get this out?" [10:18] and that is one of the areas where Python excels. [10:18] yeah, and then you also get languages that is slow but later gets very optimized, JS is a good example with v8 and asmjs etc [10:20] eish... JS... almost as bad as PHP [10:20] sad but true [10:20] one example where lua is beter than python (or any other scripting lang) is where it's used in 3d engines [10:20] loosely types languages are horrible [10:21] yes, like minetest ;-) [10:21] I think it's because it's easy to write a plugin system for a C++ app that uses Lua [10:21] I love the design of golang, I don't know the lang very well, but the more I study it the more I like it [10:22] the strong type yet still dynamic aspect is not easy to balance [10:25] it's funny how people support broken tech, like facebook and their hiphopVM than later releasing hacklang and meanwhile people are still developing php in the background [10:27] hacklang question: why do you reinvent the wheel? answer: because php's wheel is a triangle [11:01] jabberwockya19: https://www.flickr.com/photos/raindrift/sets/72157629492908038 [11:04] used extundelete for the first time - worked amazing ! [11:11] superfly: I've seen that before, but never knew it was a real thing! (too much photoshop going around) [11:13] awesome name for recovery software, I wil remember it [11:53] superfly: I'd say these days it's worse. JS is the new PHP [11:53] the newbies use it for everything [11:54] js is the future! [11:54] nodejs should replace php though [11:55] i hope websockets kills http [11:55] I hope the opposite [11:55] I can speak http, it's simple [11:56] http its too old and static [11:56] websockets are dynamic and got so much more to offer [12:11] can't tell if you're tolling or not :-/ [12:15] I developed 2 years full time using nodejs & coffescript, I loved it! [12:15] That was also the first time we wrote tests for our code and we had a really good team of devs [12:16] when your app becomes really complex it's very difficult to maintain loose type software and it's as simple as that [12:17] tl;dr use node to test the market for new creative ideas [12:47] Bye everyone , have a good night [12:55] superfly: this one is also funny http://www.php.net/manual/en/datetimeimmutable.modify.php [14:34] jabberwockya19_: for a moment there you were like this: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5649065728/hF4995500/ [14:35] hahaha I love that meme! [14:36] same guy as shut up and take my money ! [14:57] ./dev/md0 121T 36M 121T 1% /mirror-data [14:57] BOOM [15:00] last reboot and I can go home :P hopefully it comes up the way it should [15:02] Symmetria: so... what's your favourite type of drive ^_^ [15:02] jabber lol, I use seagates myself at home, these are also seagates I think [15:02] though in large arrays, I dont really give a damn much anymore [15:03] I just like having a 121 terabyte file system [15:03] ;p [15:03] that makes me warm and fuzzy [15:05] I just hope the thing doesnt keep renaming my network interfaces, it was doing wierd things and couldnt decide what to name interfaces, it was renaming them on reboot [15:05] which really screwed shit up [15:06] how many raid contollers did you use? [15:07] te best one I've had was a R3000 LSI 4 port pci-e controller, I'm not a sysadmin tho [15:09] at home I just use rsync for backups, I've used backup pc in the past [15:09] heh, this is a single dual port 6gig SAS HBA linked to several units [15:10] that are full of drives [15:15] Symmetria: search udev network naming [15:16] Change happened in arch a few months back. [15:16] They look like enp2s0 right? [15:17] heh, p3p4 etc etc [15:17] I have 15 interfaces in here though and its getting confusing [15:18] I think Im gonna go with net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0 on my kernel config [15:18] to stop it [15:18] anyway heading home [15:18] back from there [15:18] ah [15:18] * Symmetria leaves his new server rsync'ing ubuntu [15:18] nothing in udev? [16:14] Symmetria: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168209 [16:15] Are you running RHEL or centos? === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] [16:34] theblazehen: thank you [16:34] your question remind me to look at centos 7 final release [16:36] arnaudmez: heh, np [17:29] Piece of shit pulseaudio ... [17:29] 2 MB/s of bandwidth to stream [18:33] night all. sleep tight. i go hug my hot water bottle to death [18:35] heh, running a tor relay is fun. average 720 KB/s === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away]