[04:56] <23LAAZJHJ> Morning everyone
[04:57] <bduk1> Probeer weer, More almal
[05:58] <Kilos> bbrrrrrrr
[06:46] <Symmetria> gah, damn dell
[06:46] <Symmetria> I cant believe Im doing this, installing windoze to configure a san so I can reboot and install linux :P because the damn linux versions are deadrat only
[06:46] <Symmetria> they wont install under ubuntu
[06:47] <Symmetria> so either install windoze or install deadrat or suse
[06:47] <Kilos> ai!
[06:47] <Symmetria> and on principle I wont install deadrat on anything
[06:55] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:56] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[06:56] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[07:02] <Symmetria> I seriously wish companies like dell would realize no one uses deadrat anymore
[07:02] <charl> good morning
[07:02] <Symmetria> and they really should start supporting linux distributions that are slightly more modern
[07:03]  * Symmetria bitches and whines
[07:03] <Kilos> hi charl battling to type hands are so cold
[07:03] <charl> Kilos: bah :(
[07:03] <Kilos> Symmetria, petition them
[07:03] <charl> Symmetria: i had that the other day - needed to install dataverse network and the only officially supported linux distro is deadrat
[07:04] <charl> Symmetria: ended up installing centos though, i'm not going to even bother buying deadrat licenses
[07:04] <Symmetria> Im gonna install suse, this windows installation is giving me crap
[07:26] <charl> arnaudmez: so you're on congo ! whow don't get many congonese people here
[07:27] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez 
[07:40] <Symmetria> which congo 
[07:40] <Symmetria> the drc or congo da brazil 
[07:46] <arnaudmez> hi charl
[07:46] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[07:46] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: Congo Brazzaville
[07:46] <arnaudmez> charl: where are you located ?
[07:47] <Symmetria> I'm always amused by the fact that there is a large fiber system between brazzaville and kinshasa but its never been plugged in
[07:47] <Symmetria> because the governments can't agree on crap
[07:48] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: you are right but also remember historically these two countries are totally different and almost never worked together
[07:49] <Symmetria> *sigh* why does suse linux installation insist on sending dhcp to every interface that you can't cancel and have to wait to time out before install
[07:49] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: the only thing that link these two is the river
[07:49] <Symmetria> you have any idea how long that takes when you have 14 interfaces in the box :P
[07:49] <Symmetria> arnaudmez yeah but its still bizarre because kinshasa is the only way to get to WACS
[07:50] <Symmetria> thats the entire problem with most of west africa though, no one wants to work together even in their own mutual benefit
[07:51] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: actually not, kinshasa put his hope on Brazzaville for access to WACS to be effective
[07:52] <arnaudmez> kinshasa doesn't have direct access to the sea cable at all but still they are preparing necessary infrastructures for the day all will get finalized with Brazzaville regarding F.O
[07:54] <arnaudmez> but after all, i can only tell you what the news paper tells us :-)
[07:57] <Symmetria> arnaudmez heh, there is direct fiber to the wacs station from kinshasa
[07:57] <Symmetria> I know because I've seen it myself
[07:57] <Symmetria> trust me on this :P if there is one thing I know about, its where fiber in africa goes 
[08:09] <Symmetria> lol I can tell you a lot about what the papers ARENT saying :)
[08:12] <arnaudmez> Symmetria: :-)
[08:20] <Symmetria> wow we're running at 1.3gig into kampala right now
[08:20] <Symmetria> thats... high
[08:23] <Symmetria> heh finally decided for configuring I'd go with SL6.5 since I had shit installing suse and windows :P
[08:23] <Symmetria> SL6.5 seems to be installing ok :P
[08:28] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:31] <Vince-0> o/
[08:58] <inetpro> good evening
[08:58] <inetpro> oops, mornings as well
[08:58] <Kilos> helloooo inetpro 
[08:58] <Kilos> vrek koud ne
[08:58] <inetpro> sun is shining 
[08:59] <Kilos> ya man you know what i mean. how were your hands when you got to work?
[08:59] <Golynx_> all i see is white mountains when i step outside
[08:59] <inetpro> not as bad as other days
[09:01] <Kilos> ai!
[09:02] <charl> arnaudmez: in NL
[09:03] <Golynx_> flowcharts to design programs . Good or bad?
[09:03] <Golynx_> pseudo code is confusing
[09:04] <charl> Golynx_: what are you trying to do exactly
[09:04] <Golynx_> design a life manager app 
[09:05] <inetpro> a life manager app?
[09:05] <Golynx_> i like the visual structure of flowcharts , so i know what i'm doing 
[09:06] <Golynx_> i cant go into much details 
[09:06] <inetpro> you mean as in lifecycle management?
[09:06] <Golynx_> its just flowcharts that improves the design experience so much more
[09:07] <charl> that is so vague i have no idea what it's supposed to mean
[09:08] <Golynx_> nope real person("life", "living", "alive") 
[09:09] <charl> as in, get up, brush your teeth, eat breakfast, drink coffee, go to work ?
[09:09] <Golynx_> hmm i guess no one here design programs then, nevermind
[09:09] <inetpro> uh, so your question is?
[09:10] <Golynx_> charl ja
[09:10] <charl> why would you want that ?
[09:10] <Golynx_> the question is , does anyone here use flowcharts to design programs
[09:11] <charl> on the odd occasion if you have complex architecture or data flows yes
[09:11] <charl> but not to "design programs" per se, more on a higher level
[09:11] <Golynx_> charl not me, all the people that care about knowing themselves and improving themselves 
[09:12]  * inetpro prefers to see things mapped out visually but haven't been doing programming for some time
[09:12] <Golynx_> yes , flowcharts is a kind of higher level language in itself
[09:12] <inetpro> sometimes it can be a waste of precious time
[09:13] <Golynx_> inetpro: designing with flowcharts first without diving into coding is very rewarding. A whole lot less bugs to worry about in the future
[09:14] <inetpro> definitely helps when you have to transfer conceptual knowledge to others in a team
[09:15] <Golynx_> yeah true
[09:17] <inetpro> but programming in a team is always very difficult and can slow you down to a grind
[09:17] <inetpro> obviously the opposite can be true if you have a team that works together very well
[09:19] <inetpro> Golynx_: so waht do you use for drawing the flowcharts?
[09:20] <inetpro> what as well
[09:22] <Golynx_> first i used Dia , but too much bloat. Now i'm fine with the smaller clickcharts. It gets the job done fast.
[09:35] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I just found a Nyan Cat and Nyan Cat Rainbow !! :))
[09:36] <inetpro> Golynx_: smaller clickcharts like?
[09:36] <mazal> Both of them right next to each other :)
[09:41] <Kilos> hi mazal bduk1 
[09:41] <Golynx_> inetpro: its about 2mb with a lot of features. I like anything made by Nch software. All of there programs are small and powerful.
[09:41] <Kilos> wow mazal 
[09:41] <Golynx_> their*
[09:41] <Kilos> how far down and in what area
[09:42] <inetpro> Golynx_: 2mb? Wow, where do you get that?
[09:42] <Golynx_> but its for windows :)
[09:42] <inetpro> ai!
[09:43] <Golynx_> http://www.nchsoftware.com
[09:44] <mazal> Oom Kilos I was only at -388
[09:44] <mazal> Saw a pink glow , and there it was :)
[09:47] <Kilos> in what area mazal? desert or green valleys or what
[09:47] <Kilos> i dont know what you can do with it
[09:48] <mazal> I'm not sure what is on top of me , if my bearings is correct I am under a desert
[09:49] <mazal> Started below dirt but had to move left while mining a few times to avoid lava and caves and think I am below a big desert by now
[09:51] <superfly> Golynx_: that's what I use a todo manager for
[09:55] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[09:55] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:56] <Golynx_> superfly: its got nothing to do with a todo list lol
[09:57] <Golynx_> its something way different
[09:59] <Golynx_> i may include a todo list feature in it, so thanks for the idea :)
[09:59] <arnaudmez> hi superfly
[09:59] <superfly> hi arnaudmez
[10:04] <Golynx_> superfly: is lua better than python?
[10:06] <superfly> Golynx_: I've never used Lua
[10:07] <Golynx_> oh ok, i will ask google :)
[10:16] <jabberwockya19> Golynx_: it's faster
[10:16] <jabberwockya19> just missed him
[10:16] <superfly> "it's faster" is really not much of an argument these days
[10:17] <jabberwockya19> all depends on what you're trying to do
[10:17] <jabberwockya19> but yeah mostly people just want something that "works"
[10:18] <superfly> These days a business is more interested in "how quickly can we get this out?"
[10:18] <superfly> and that is one of the areas where Python excels.
[10:18] <jabberwockya19> yeah, and then you also get languages that is slow but later gets very optimized, JS is a good example with v8 and asmjs etc
[10:20] <superfly> eish... JS... almost as bad as PHP
[10:20] <jabberwockya19> sad but true
[10:20] <jabberwockya19> one example where lua is beter than python (or any other scripting lang) is where it's used in 3d engines
[10:20] <superfly> loosely types languages are horrible
[10:21] <superfly> yes, like minetest ;-)
[10:21] <superfly> I think it's because it's easy to write a plugin system for a C++ app that uses Lua
[10:21] <jabberwockya19> I love the design of golang, I don't know the lang very well, but the more I study it the more I like it
[10:22] <jabberwockya19> the strong type yet still dynamic aspect is not easy to balance
[10:25] <jabberwockya19> it's funny how people support broken tech, like facebook and their hiphopVM than later releasing hacklang and meanwhile people are still developing php in the background
[10:27] <jabberwockya19> hacklang question: why do you reinvent the wheel? answer: because php's wheel is a triangle
[11:01] <superfly> jabberwockya19: https://www.flickr.com/photos/raindrift/sets/72157629492908038
[11:04] <charl> used extundelete for the first time - worked amazing !
[11:11] <jabberwockya19> superfly: I've seen that before, but never knew it was a real thing! (too much photoshop going around)
[11:13] <jabberwockya19> awesome name for recovery software, I wil remember it
[11:53] <tumbleweed> superfly: I'd say these days it's worse. JS is the new PHP
[11:53] <tumbleweed> the newbies use it for everything
[11:54] <Golynx_> js is the future!
[11:54] <Golynx_> nodejs should replace php though
[11:55] <Golynx_> i hope websockets kills http
[11:55] <tumbleweed> I hope the opposite
[11:55] <tumbleweed> I can speak http, it's simple
[11:56] <Golynx_> http its too old and static
[11:56] <Golynx_> websockets are dynamic and got so much more to offer
[12:11] <jabberwockya19_> can't tell if you're tolling or not :-/
[12:15] <jabberwockya19_> I developed 2 years full time using nodejs & coffescript, I loved it!
[12:15] <jabberwockya19_> That was also the first time we wrote tests for our code and we had a really good team of devs
[12:16] <jabberwockya19_> when your app becomes really complex it's very difficult to maintain loose type software and it's as simple as that
[12:17] <jabberwockya19_> tl;dr use node to test the market for new creative ideas
[12:47] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a good night
[12:55] <jabberwockya19__> superfly: this one is also funny http://www.php.net/manual/en/datetimeimmutable.modify.php 
[14:34] <charl> jabberwockya19_: for a moment there you were like this: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5649065728/hF4995500/
[14:35] <jabberwockya19_> hahaha I love that meme!
[14:36] <charl> same guy as shut up and take my money !
[14:57] <Symmetria> ./dev/md0        121T   36M  121T   1% /mirror-data
[14:57] <Symmetria> BOOM
[15:00] <Symmetria> last reboot and I can go home :P hopefully it comes up the way it should 
[15:02] <jabberwockya19_> Symmetria: so... what's your favourite type of drive ^_^
[15:02] <Symmetria> jabber lol, I use seagates myself at home, these are also seagates I think
[15:02] <Symmetria> though in large arrays, I dont really give a damn much anymore
[15:03] <Symmetria> I just like having a 121 terabyte file system
[15:03] <Symmetria> ;p
[15:03] <Symmetria> that makes me warm and fuzzy
[15:05] <Symmetria> I just hope the thing doesnt keep renaming my network interfaces, it was doing wierd things and couldnt decide what to name interfaces, it was renaming them on reboot 
[15:05] <Symmetria> which really screwed shit up
[15:06] <jabberwockya19_> how many raid contollers did you use?
[15:07] <jabberwockya19_> te best one I've had was a R3000 LSI 4 port pci-e controller, I'm not a sysadmin tho
[15:09] <jabberwockya19_> at home I just use rsync for backups, I've used backup pc in the past
[15:09] <Symmetria> heh, this is a single dual port 6gig SAS HBA linked to several units
[15:10] <Symmetria> that are full of drives
[15:15] <theblazehen> Symmetria: search udev network naming
[15:16] <theblazehen> Change happened in arch a few months back.
[15:16] <theblazehen> They look like enp2s0 right?
[15:17] <Symmetria> heh, p3p4 etc etc
[15:17] <Symmetria> I have 15 interfaces in here though and its getting confusing
[15:18] <Symmetria> I think Im gonna go with net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0 on my kernel config
[15:18] <Symmetria> to stop it
[15:18] <Symmetria> anyway heading home
[15:18] <Symmetria> back from there
[15:18] <theblazehen> ah
[15:18]  * Symmetria leaves his new server rsync'ing ubuntu
[15:18] <theblazehen> nothing in udev?
[16:14] <theblazehen> Symmetria: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168209
[16:15] <theblazehen> Are you running RHEL or centos?
[16:34] <arnaudmez> theblazehen: thank you 
[16:34] <arnaudmez> your question remind me to look at centos 7 final release
[16:36] <theblazehen> arnaudmez: heh, np
[17:29] <theblazehen> Piece of shit pulseaudio ...
[17:29] <theblazehen> 2 MB/s of bandwidth to stream
[18:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. i go hug my hot water bottle to death
[18:35] <theblazehen> heh, running a tor relay is fun. average 720 KB/s