[00:51] shadeslayer: please review and test libkubuntu master === claydoh is now known as Guest3993 [05:01] If anyone cares about qbzr, they might look into the it fails adt with the new pyqt4. [06:10] good-morning === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:36] apachelogger: how? [09:25] shadeslayer: you open eyes and look? :O [09:26] soee: meh I can't get breeze icons to work :( [09:30] and breeze kwin style makes everything crawl [09:30] * mgraesslin points out for the millionst time that the breeze deco should not be used [09:32] now I see why! [09:32] ;-) [09:33] btw it depends on the system, on my system it works fine [09:33] ohoho [09:34] Riddell: do you have intel graphics? if so do you get random paint artifacts at times when stuff isn't being updated properly in plasma? [09:34] Riddell: also please review changes since last tag in http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Flibkubuntu.git [09:35] I made your locale bug go away in the least shitty way possible which is still a very bloody workaround [09:35] yes I have intel [09:36] no I don't have any random paint artifacts [09:36] yay to fixing libkubuntu, review added to my todo [09:48] Riddell: the breeze icon them is unfinished a lot [09:49] Riddell: what kwin style ? the window decorations ?> [09:49] yes [09:51] Riddell: im using it [09:52] you shouldn't [09:55] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/09/snapshot1.png [09:56] lucky you :) [09:56] I moved onto trying to get qtcurve to work, which it doesn't :( [09:58] Riddell: not so lucky :D i have no thumbs, previes etc :) [09:58] kio-extras could not be installed atm [09:58] due to dependency problems [09:58] works for me, what's the problems? [09:59] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769599/ [10:07] Riddell: i also cloned breeze them from git, but it also missing a lot of items [10:11] soee: what happens when you apt-get install libexiv2-13 ? [10:12] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769640/ [10:12] Riddell: shadeslayer said yesterday that thi spackage has been held or something [10:12] soee: oh it's in utopic-proposed [10:13] so aye, add -proposed in sources.list I guess [10:13] nooo [10:13] it'll break stuff [10:13] ;] [10:13] alot of it [10:13] and i dont want to break a lot ot things :D [10:14] the correct solution is to fix it :P [10:15] i have some updates now and one package kept back: fonts-thai-tlwg [10:15] no idea what it is for :) [10:16] * shadeslayer is hungry [10:19] also, is it possible in plasma5 to fix the locale warnings http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769658/ ? [10:20] do you have polish locale installed? [10:27] how can i check this ? if i pick polish language from the list in system settings it is set bot nothing downloaded :_) [10:28] do you have language-pack-pt installed? [10:28] * Riddell lunches [10:29] soee: locale -a [10:29] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769676/ [10:31] soee: your LANG value is invalid [10:31] needs a .UTF-8 or .utf8 [10:31] :O [10:31] how/where i can fix it ? [10:31] where ever you set that var [10:34] hmm no idea, maybe this Reginal Settings section in system settings does something wrong [10:35] nope [10:35] it forces .UTF-8 [10:36] if .kde/env/setlocale.sh has no .utf then you broke it :P [10:38] LANGUAGE=en_US:de:en [10:38] how fun [10:38] thers no such file like .kde/env/setlocale.sh [10:38] thers no env/ in .kde :) [10:39] then it's not the kcm :P [10:39] yofel: hm? [10:39] let me check my backup [10:39] Hiyas all [10:39] apachelogger: just looked at mine and found that [10:39] yes, looks fine? :P [10:39] ah, all good then ^^ [10:39] assuming you have en_US>de in the kcm (which is a bit silly tbh :P) [10:40] oh [10:40] actually [10:40] I think I just thought of an improvement to the locale fix [10:40] i havent such file after Utopic fresh install [10:41] the file is only created when you use the kcm [10:41] soee: check /etc/default/locale or something like that [10:41] also i had to use english in installer because after language chanmge ubiquity fails [10:41] that's the one created by ubiquity [10:42] apachelogger: uqbiquity has problems with languages :) [10:42] basicly it works only with english i think :D [10:42] even so it would be odd if it wrote an invalid locale in LANG but managed to set LC_ correctly [10:43] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769709/ [10:44] oh actually my idea was wrong :'< [10:45] soee: well, something else is setting LANG then :P [10:45] and it's not official [10:45] ;o [10:45] grep for LANG in $HOME or something [10:47] btw thers an annoying bug in konsole in plasma5 where before the pointer there is like 20px black space covering text -.- [10:48] Riddell: why does the next ppa have konsole from git? [10:49] Riddell: hm, there seems to be another doodle poll for a KDE Munich sprint, are you aware of that? See also the plasma-devel ML: http://doodle.com/w4d2hdfmxhyn3duq [10:49] hi BluesKaj [10:50] hey soee [10:53] https://plus.google.com/105109608651530723751/posts/2595gTuahYT :) [11:16] Mamarok: yeah that's the kde pim one, depending on how many people are interested we can have just 1 sprint all together, jmux is looking after it all [11:16] apachelogger: because it has no release yet [11:17] well, then we should keep an eye on their doodle, if the choose another date... [11:19] yep [11:19] would be much better to be together [11:20] Riddell: it wouldn't be released any time soon [11:20] so it's counterproductive to put it in the ppa [11:20] Riddell: good morning, what qtcurve is it that you mention in your email? [11:20] we need testing with konsole4 not 5 [11:21] sgclark: https://github.com/QtCurve/qtcurve this one I think [11:21] apachelogger: /home/soee/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh here i have 2 entries related to locale settings export LANG=pl_PL and export LANGUAGE=pl [11:21] I can't get it to work though [11:22] soee: ah, upstream bug then [11:22] please report in bugs.kde.org [11:22] Riddell: I will give it a try :) [11:25] apachelogger: for what product https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided ? [11:26] soee: systemsettings -> language kcm [11:26] (I think anyway) [11:27] one really wouldn't believe just how much kde software we have [11:27] * apachelogger is installing rubbish for like an hour now [11:27] jmux: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8004150 [11:30] IBM? now that's just random [11:31] shadeslayer: where's neon khelpcenter? [11:36] shadeslayer seems to have collapsed on his desk [11:36] should I be worried? [11:37] apachelogger: do we want the plymouth-theme-breeze? [11:38] no [11:38] doesn't have VDG approval etc. [11:39] apachelogger: going to submit it to them? [11:39] already did, haven't gotten anything back yet [11:40] I understand they are swamped a bit^^ [11:45] apachelogger: in my head [11:45] which is throbbing [11:46] because you were up past bedtime [11:46] and? [11:46] tell me something new [11:46] * apachelogger is already on drugs because of that [11:46] :D [11:46] stupid late night hacking broke me alright [11:46] getting too old for thi [11:46] s [11:50] I can't listen to the shins [11:50] because I left my headphones home [11:50] :( === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [11:51] * apachelogger throws a keyboard [11:51] go make some khelpcenter prettyplzses [11:51] I did [11:51] all hail the hypnotoad in that case [11:52] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc [11:52] apachelogger: any thoughts on why I can't tag oxygen-fonts "Resolving the project oxygen-fonts failed. Going to try again in 5 seconds [11:52] Riddell: same reason you cannot roll a tar from it [11:52] cannot resolve kdereview projects right now [11:53] makes my head hurt [11:54] oh, yes [11:54] I knew that [11:57] now how do I tag svn again? [11:59] ug, svn copy, that's nuts [11:59] oh yeah, I need to write support for that [11:59] * apachelogger sighs [12:00] shrug, it's hardly a big use case [12:00] well [12:00] additional wallpapers are in svn [12:00] so are pos [12:00] right but easier to write a few lines of bash for when it needs done [12:00] pos? [12:00] translations [12:01] I am so not sure what to do with them really [12:01] back when everything was in svn it used to be simple as the same base revision could be used to identify the source and translation tags, nowadays it's all messed up [12:02] dfaure takes a copy of them into git and tags that [12:02] for kf5 [12:02] yeah, you mentioned [12:02] that's also wrong and doesn't scale for apps though [12:02] it certainly would be the simplest solution from a release pov [12:09] why ever does powerdevil in next have a data package [12:09] for the data files? [12:09] but why? what's the point of that? [12:11] well quite, saves some space on the archive same as any -data package, no clear threshold of when you should add one and when not [12:12] when it makes sense for the user I'd say :P [12:13] because they do blow up the cache [12:13] which means the user needs to download more, which means all applications need to iter more, display more, sort more, do more [12:13] so what excessive splitting like that does for the user is make things slower [12:13] when does it make sense for the user? [12:14] Riddell: multiarch lib packages most prominently [12:14] as a developer I can then easily xcompile and as a user I can install foreign arch software (e.g. a 32bit proprietary software) [12:15] lintian even has a warning if /usr/share takes too much space in a package, going with that is usually sane [12:15] nah that doesn't need it if the files are bit-for-bit the same [12:15] yep [12:15] fair enough [12:15] I am also seeing that users miss installing recommends and wonder why things are not working as expected, they missed data packages [12:15] owncloud-client does not cooperate with system tray in plasma5 [12:15] sgclark: exaclty :) thats why i had problems making things work in plasma5 [12:16] Riddell: I am reasonable certain if the files are the same dpkg will still report it as a conflict, because it is a conflict ^^ [12:16] so i checked every libkf5* package and installed manually wht needed [12:16] apachelogger: not for multiarch if they have the same md5sum [12:17] I did not know that [12:17] if the files are different it's a conflict, if same then not [12:17] all the data packages should go away then :P [12:17] -data packages should be Depends not Recommends surely? [12:17] yeah something needs to be done differently [12:17] I will fix to whatever you guys decide [12:18] Riddell: depends on the files really [12:18] I'd argue for reliability they should be depends in particular since I barely have seen a library that would actually handle missing data files correctly ^^ [12:21] Riddell: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation#Multi-Arch:_foreign_support_packages [12:21] by those standards, libkcodecs needs to be multi-arch: foreign? [12:21] yofel: oh actually, the reason would also be to save actual space on the target system for multiarch [12:21] so there's a legit use case there [12:22] for applications there is no point, I'll argue not even the lintian size warning makes all that much sense effectively [12:22] how? If the files are in the same place they'll just get overwritten [12:22] if dpkg even touches them [12:22] yofel: yes, but the debs each are bigger [12:23] ah, sorry, my brain failed half way through the sentence [12:23] true.... [12:23] yofel: I meant to say that the size of the binary packages is bigger than it needs to be if you put data into multiarched lib packages ^^ [12:23] so, more download, more unpack IO etc. [12:23] which data nicely solves [12:25] powerdevil has libs :O [12:28] mh [12:28] Riddell: powerdevil bzr has unreleased 4.98 is that correct? [12:28] apachelogger: for some value of unreleased, it's in PPA but not archive [12:29] we're not setting bzr to released until there's a new version [12:29] confusing [12:29] Riddell: do I dch -i or dch -a if I fix something? [12:29] just dch [12:29] that's -a then [12:30] with the new behaviour, if you have UNRELEASED, -i will increase the number without adding a new entry [12:30] totally useless IMO, so -a is what you want [12:31] pft [12:31] we should just retire the changelog entirely and autogen from bzr :P [12:55] agateau: ping [12:55] agateau: kapidox is both Python2 and Python 3 compliant? [12:55] shadeslayer: pong [12:56] shadeslayer: it should be, though I always test with python2 [12:56] ok [12:57] sgclark: kapidox needs fixing, since you can have both python2 and python3 packages [12:57] sgclark: plus, you should use the cmake configure stuff instead of python setup.py install --root=debian/kapidox --install-layout=deb --install-data=/usr/share/kapidox --install-lib=/usr/share/kapidox --install-scripts=/usr/share/kapidox [12:58] oh gawd :3 [12:58] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/pykde4/utopic/view/head:/debian/rules [12:59] random e-mail du jour, guy has sent patches for perlqt http://paste.kde.org/pdat4jwme [12:59] shadeslayer: umm clear as mud, will look in a bit [13:00] sgclark: I'm going to pass this off to ScottK [13:00] since he knows alot more [13:00] shadeslayer, thanks [13:01] ScottK: mind fixing kapidox? I am not entirely sure of a good way to build for Python3 and Python2 and that pykde4 rule looks quite scary [13:01] shadeslayer: the cmake lines are there for KDE developers because they are used to it, but kapidox is a Python package, I am not sure it makes sense for packagers to use CMake [13:02] agateau: ah ok, well, anyway, package was only being built for python2 afaict, so needs fixing [13:03] Riddell: The CEA is the French Alternative Energies and Atomic Energy Commission (Commissariat à l'énergie atomique et aux énergies alternatives) < neat :p [13:04] shadeslayer: File a bug and assign it to me. [13:04] French nuclear power stations use Perl Qt?! [13:04] ScottK: against what? :p , kapidox isn't in the archive yet [13:04] agateau: get out of there quick! [13:05] Okay mail me. [13:05] Riddell: hu, I am missing context [13:05] okay [13:05] agateau: 13:57 < Riddell> random e-mail du jour, guy has sent patches for perlqt http://paste.kde.org/pdat4jwme [13:05] 14:01 < shadeslayer> Riddell: The CEA is the French Alternative Energies and Atomic Energy Commission (Commissariat à l'énergie atomique et aux énergies alternatives) < neat :p [13:06] 14:02 < Riddell> French nuclear power stations use Perl Qt?! [13:06] Riddell: http://www.cea.fr/english-portal/cea/identity/facts-and-figures [13:06] Riddell: I see :) [13:08] ScottK: sent [13:10] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7770174/ < looks like duplicated descriptions [13:11] we can nuke the kconfiggui stuff from kconfigcore and vice versa [13:11] shadeslayer: I agree [13:12] who's the resident expert on Multi Arch btw? :p [13:13] * Riddell watches tumbleweed drift by [13:13] * yofel sips on his coffee cup [13:13] mmm coffee [13:14] anyone able to tell me why this metapackage for kubuntu-plasma5-meta doesn't work? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-plasma5-meta_1.308.4.dsc [13:14] I run update and it says ? Unknown desktop package: kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [13:14] but kubuntu-plasma5-desktop does end up in metapackage-map [13:16] ;] [13:20] Riddell: on plasma5 atm ? [13:20] soee: yes [13:21] Riddell: do you have the same issue with task manager like: hover some item, click ... windows not showin, move a mouse 1px and window will shows up [13:22] how do you mean windows not showing? [13:24] Riddell: if window is minimized or not the active one, you click on its icon in task manager (without moving mouse after click) it wont activeate unless a mouse is moved a bit [13:29] soee: yeah I see that [13:29] weird [13:29] file a beastie [13:37] yofel: Riddell fwiw I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Binary_package_control_fields [13:37] which explains this [13:37] +magic [13:38] yeah, the debian folks sure enjoy having the "official" docs for multiarch on the ubuntu wiki :P [13:38] :p [13:44] hi Squt, is there a kf5 quassel we should be caring about? === Noskcaj_ is now known as Noskcaj === SierraRazgriz is now known as SierraAR [13:48] santa_: ping [13:49] santa_: in kcoreaddons is all of that extra harnessing required when running tests? [13:49] the tests still fail for me [13:50] mmm passes on buildd [13:51] *shrug* [13:55] shadeslayer: what I did was enoough to fix _my_ problem [13:56] shadeslayer: do you have the failing build log? [13:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7770346/ [13:58] brb, logout :) [14:05] is it possible to make yakuake works with current Konsole version ? [14:05] shadeslayer: the override_dh_auto_test wasn't taken into acount. do you have any idea why? [14:09] soee: I'm using yakuake and it's mapped to the F12 key [14:10] BluesKaj: yes but im on plasma5 now and yakuake doesnt work with current konsole version [14:12] uhm, launching it from the cli? [14:13] BluesKaj: it opens with F12 but thers no terninal visible but message: [14:13] Yakuake was unable to load the Konsole component. [14:13] A Konsole installation is required to use Yakuake. [14:14] install the konsole with muon I guess [14:14] santa_: yes, because I was testing it by removing your modifications [14:14] anyway [14:14] it builds [14:15] BluesKaj, soee: if you have kf5 konsole then no qt4 yakuake won't work with it [14:15] ok [14:15] Riddell: ok, thanks [14:15] as apachelogger says, we should probably move the konsole package to kubuntu-ppa/experimental [14:17] Riddell: and the old one will be available by default ? [14:18] Riddell, thanks for the tip, I was about to ask about the plasma 5 stability [14:18] if so il give +10 for such change :) [14:18] Riddell: FWIW if there's a kpart problem I think that needs to be reported somewhere [14:18] and to that extent libraries that back a kpart *must* be coinstallable [14:19] I suspect our packaging is at fault tough [14:20] soee: it's still in the archive but you'll have to do faffy apt commands to install it [14:29] * BluesKaj passes on qt5 for the moment [14:36] Riddell: and if you move Konsole from next to experimental, tham simple reinstall wont work ? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:37] soee: you can also wget http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/konsole/konsole_4.13.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb; dpkg --install konsole_4.13.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [14:37] \o [14:38] it's... Quintasan! [14:38] It is I [14:38] shadeslayer: What did happen with sddm packaging? [14:38] being reviewed in debian [14:38] Splendid. [14:39] I sent it off to lisandro [14:39] Riddell: status of qa.kubuntu.co.uk? [14:39] it's back [14:39] life is good [14:39] Quintasan: the background picture isn't as wide as this new widescreen monitor I have [14:39] been some css fix [14:39] Indeed. [14:40] needs some css fix [14:41] Riddell: background-size: cover; I guess [14:43] Riddell: works perfect :) can i blacklist konsole from ppa next ? [14:43] Quintasan: genius! [14:46] soee: I'll move it out of next and into experimental so you won't get it again [14:46] Riddell: nice, thank you [14:47] I hope we have somewhere to canoe at akademy next year, it's should be a requirement [14:47] so there are only to annoying issues left: kio-extras package and dolphin crash all the time (wonder if this crash might be related to kio-extras) [14:48] I'll move dolphin to experimental too [14:48] probably just needs a recompile [14:48] but I guess it crashing shows why it's best not to have it in next ppa [14:49] soee: ta da! kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [14:50] how does that install for you? [14:51] * shadeslayer throws a few octopuses at kdbusaddons [14:51] Riddell: package ready to test ? [14:52] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lp5a-r3MJU [14:53] soee: yep [14:53] i should reinatll plasma-desktop or ? [14:55] soee: no, install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [14:56] what was teh command to send cmd result into paste.ubuntu.com ? [14:56] | pasteit [14:57] no such command :) [14:57] maybe it was itpaste [14:57] oh who knows [14:58] pastebinit [14:59] apachelogger: thank you [14:59] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7770597/ [14:59] shadeslayer: errors.ubuntu never gives me any data anymore btw, not sure what I am doing wrong [14:59] maybe it hates me [15:00] same here [15:00] ask ev [15:00] no [15:00] I am leaving [15:00] soee: ah, our old -proposed issue [15:00] I'll leave you with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_sfnQDr1-o [15:00] Riddell: yes :) [15:00] maybe I should make the PPA not need -proposed [15:00] feel free to figure out what this has to do with anything [15:00] maybe I'll tell you tomorrow [15:00] Riddell: do the kdbusaddon tests actually run for you? [15:00] but first working on the baloo/kdepim issue [15:00] they don't seem to run on launchpad and here [15:00] shadeslayer: um, dunno, the packages build, can't remember what the package says [15:01] Riddell, shadeslayer: don't forget to revu libkubuntu [15:01] apachelogger: tomorrow [15:01] and if you feel like it upload and SRU, otherwise I'll throw a utopic tomorrow [15:02] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pk0eit2v9 [15:03] sgclark: re SDDM : shadeslayer: the copyright file needs some love [15:03] missing copyright holders [15:04] thought you took that over? [15:05] shadeslayer did take it over but he's always been alergic to copyright files :) [15:05] ^^ [15:08] shadeslayer: I will take a look, but the only thing I recall with that is a ton of images I could not figure out copyright on [15:08] * sgclark shrugs [15:09] mm ok [15:09] sgclark: poke upstream if licensing is confusing [15:10] poke upstream? [15:10] yeah, send sddm maintainers a email or open issue on github [15:11] sgclark: don't let shadeslayer bully you into doing it if you don't want to [15:12] heh [15:12] My intention wasn't to bully anyone :p [15:12] They are quite clear on licensing here: https://github.com/sddm/sddm Licensing, which is what I fillowed, what is not clear is what debian wants [15:14] s/fillowed/followed/ [15:14] sgclark meant: "They are quite clear on licensing here: https://github.com/sddm/sddm Licensing, which is what I followed, what is not clear is what debian wants" [15:14] neat [15:16] sgclark: Debian says you've missed out some folks who are mentioned in the headers but not in debian/copyright [15:17] * sgclark blames copyright-helper [15:17] alright I will take a look through every darn file, will be a few [15:20] heh yeah, it's not fun work, I know :( [15:21] * genii sips his coffee and ponders "The Distro for Octopuses" [15:24] you need 8 keyboards to operate it! === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [15:30] Good evening. [15:35] libexiv2-13 , is there a ppa for this? [15:35] need a source [15:38] there's a debian source, is that usable ? [15:39] BluesKaj: shadeslayer says its broken, it is nn proposed [15:39] ok soee thanks ...should have waited i guess [15:41] BluesKaj: it's in -proposed [15:42] Riddell: kdnssd up as well [15:45] shadeslayer: I can only find one that I missed, but I seem to have my sddm... where is the one you are working on? [15:45] lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm [15:45] hmm [15:56] shadeslayer: commited the missing copyright I found, I am very sorry but I have no idea how to extract copyright from individual images. Headers should be covered though [15:58] sgclark: cheers, and thanks! :) [15:59]