[00:25] <RAOF> Luke-Jr: If someone is willing to step forward to do that package maintenance, great!
[00:26] <RAOF> As bfgminer is in universe, it'll need to be a community effort.
[01:16] <Luke-Jr> RAOF: hm, couldn't the same packaging scripts be used that made 3.10.0?
[01:16] <RAOF> Luke-Jr: It probably _is_ an easy job, yes, but it's still something that needs doing.
[01:35] <dodobrain> is it ok now to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 ?
[01:36] <sney> try it and see
[01:37] <sney> the support channel is normally #ubuntu, no?
[01:37] <dodobrain> ah true, i joined here by mistake. i want to go directly from 12.04 to 14.04 without going through the intermediary releases
[01:38] <dodobrain> iirc, last time someone told me i'd have to wait till july to be able to do this
[01:39] <sney> what would you even save by doing that? time? but you were willing to wait?
[01:39]  * sney scratches his head
[01:40] <dodobrain> not time, but some accidental issues
[01:40] <dodobrain> i wasn;t sure 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04 would work
[03:16] <ScottK> You can do-release-upgrade -d now and it'll go direct.
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:16] <ESphynx> good morning dholbach ;)
[07:16] <dholbach> hi ESphynx
[07:19] <ESphynx> how's it going?
[07:28] <dholbach> good good - how about yourself?
[07:29] <ESphynx> crazy!
[07:30] <dholbach> hm?
[07:31] <ESphynx> dholbach: trying to get this release ready and then presentation ready before the Symposium on Monday :P
[07:32] <dholbach> I'll cross my fingers for you then! :)
[07:32] <ESphynx> hehe thanks
[07:32] <ESphynx> also building a new website :|
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[11:35] <Corwin> Hello! We develop webmail software, and we'd like to have our opensource webmail app included in Universe repository :)
[11:35] <Corwin> All the procedures were done and the bug was posted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1328094 Thanks in advance! :)
[11:35] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1328094 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] AfterLogic WebMail Lite PHP, Ubuntu package" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[11:43] <rbasak> Corwin: ewelcome!
[11:44] <rbasak> Corwin: Fix Committed isn't really right, since it's not committed in any way *in Ubuntu*.
[11:44] <rbasak> Corwin: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages? The usual route for new packages is through Debian.
[11:45] <rbasak> "The package contains the installer script only. WebMail itself and configuration files are download from AfterLogic website once the installer is launched."
[11:46] <rbasak> Corwin: ^^ I'm pretty sure this makes it unsuitable for inclusion, both for Debian and for Ubuntu.
[11:48] <Corwin> I think I've seen that I need to switch to "Fix Committed" on some packaging guide, probably got that wrong. And yes, I saw the Debian-related bit, still thought I should try the MOTU route first :)
[11:48] <Corwin> and the last bit is sad :/
[11:51] <Corwin> anyway, i do appreciate checking this!
[11:51] <rbasak> Corwin: imagine if all packages in Ubuntu didn't actually install the software, but instead required an additional Internet download from some third party source.
[11:51] <rbasak> Corwin: it'd be completely unworkable and unusable.
[11:53] <rbasak> I've commented on the bug.
[11:54] <geser> Corwin: why an installer? can't it get packaged directly?
[11:55] <Corwin> users tend to update all the package to newest versions available, which will overwrite any custom changes they could have made.
[11:55] <rbasak> Corwin: why is this package special, over all the other software shipped in Ubuntu?
[11:57] <Corwin> One thing I'm trying to understand is, do you think packaging for Debian first will make the package appear faster, compared to going through MOTU directly?
[11:58] <Corwin> And of course, we'll modify the package to have the source included completely.
[12:49] <rbasak> Corwin: if the package is in Debian, it gets automatically imported to Ubuntu. So you only need to do it once to cover both distributions.
[12:50] <rbasak> Corwin: if the package is uploaded to Ubuntu, then that increases our delta with Debian, and thus maintenance, and so we're more reluctant to do it.
[12:50] <rbasak> Corwin: for both processes, you'll need a sponsor, and a NEW review (ftpmasters for Debian, archive admins for Ubuntu)
[12:51] <rbasak> NEW reviews tend to take a while since the teams are relatively small.
[12:51] <rbasak> As someone who would need a sponsor, I suggest that you aren't really in a position to have anything done quickly. So I'd try to follow the process in its most ideal manner, and that's through Debian.
[12:52] <rbasak> Then you're likely to face the least resistance.
[12:52] <Corwin> Understood, thanks a lot!
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