[01:43] <cyborgcygnus> !iphone
[02:09] <Brian__> hey
[02:10] <Brian__> does anyone know of issues that might arise from using a VM for ubuntu 14.04 and installing touch on a nexus 4
[02:17] <jh2os> Hey, I'm running on a nexus 5 and outgoing and incoming phone calls work just fine, but sms does not. Can anyone point me in the right direction to fix this?
[02:43] <tomdp> Hello
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> morning
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> where did all touch apps go that not fit in 'top' apps?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> hi
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <oSoMoN> good morning dholbach
[07:12] <oSoMoN> dholbach, any chance you could take a look at and ack some packaging changes in oxide to allow us to land silo 4 ?
[07:12] <dholbach> salut oSoMoN
[07:12] <oSoMoN> changes are there: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7769054/ , they need approval from a core dev
[07:12] <dholbach> oSoMoN, I'm not sure I'm the best person, but I can take a look - do you have a link?
[07:13] <oSoMoN> the changes are really minor, but the process requires this core-dev ack
[07:14] <NooDle> Hi there
[07:14] <dholbach> oSoMoN, +1
[07:14] <Mirv> thanks dholbach
[07:14] <dholbach> oSoMoN, the changes are basically a no-op
[07:14] <oSoMoN> yup, from the packaging standpoint they are
[07:15] <Mirv> too bad the previous upload didn't get integrated, but it was a ~no-op upload too
[07:15] <dholbach> can the process be changed to make ~no-op changes easier to get done?
[07:15] <Mirv> oSoMoN: is there nowadays packaging that lives somewhere else than Chris's computer? we could preserve the history for the next upoad?
[07:15] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I’ve asked Chris where the utopic packaging branch lives, and I’ll fix the changelog there, so that with the next upload we’ll get it back
[07:16] <Mirv> dholbach: no, it's the deal that non-coredev trainguards can do publishing. all packaging changes need to be acked, even if they are seemingly no-op.
[07:16] <Mirv> oSoMoN: thanks!
[07:17] <dholbach> ok
[07:17] <oSoMoN> dholbach, thanks!
[07:57] <Noskcaj> Could linux-firmware-nexus7 and perhaps linux-firmware-grouper be removed from the archive?
[07:58] <Noskcaj> the former has been superseeded by the latter
[07:58] <Noskcaj> and we no longer build grouper images anyway
[08:27] <pitti> hello all
[08:28] <ogra_> Noskcaj, ask in #ubuntu-release ... these packages are not touch specific
[08:28] <pitti> so on a freshly installed phone, I ran
[08:28] <pitti> phablet-click-test-setup --click com.ubuntu.music
[08:28] <pitti> then:
[08:28] <pitti> phablet-test-run -v music_app.tests.test_music.TestMainWindow.test_create_playlist_from_songs_tab
[08:28] <pitti> sh: 1: /usr/bin/python: not found
[08:28] <pitti> what am I doing wrong?
[08:28] <popey> where did your phablet-test-run come from?
[08:29] <pitti> bzr branch lp:phablet-tools
[08:29] <popey> hm.
[08:29] <pitti> I just pulled, but no changes to these scripts
[08:29] <popey> i have seen that in the past myself, need to poke a qa person
[08:30] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing#Running_Click_tests ... did you run phablet-config-autopilot ?
[08:30]  * pitti runs it with -x, but that's the command that Victor used in bug 1338935
[08:30] <ogra_> (though not sure why that would switch the python version)
[08:30] <pitti> ogra_: you mean disable the first-time wizards, aa-clicksetup, etc? yes (that's already done)
[08:31] <pitti> + adb shell cd /home/phablet/autopilot; /usr/bin/python3 -c 'import music_app.tests.test_music.TestMainWindow.test_create_playlist_from_songs_tab'
[08:31] <pitti> + import_error=The ubuntuuitoolkit.emulators module is deprecated. Import the autopilot helpers from the top-level ubuntuuitoolkit module.
[08:31] <pitti> then it falls back to trying python2, which isn't installed and causes that error (but that's fine, we want to use py3)
[08:31] <ogra_> yeah, i think thats normal
[08:31] <ogra_> (the import error)
[08:32] <pitti> ah, so just "./phablet-test-run -v music_app" works
[08:32] <pitti> so, weird that http://paste.ubuntu.com/7767875/ worked for Victor
[08:33] <pitti> anyway, thanks
[08:59] <mandel> ogra_, do not bring up the match today in the standup
[09:01] <Rienzilla> lol
[09:03] <ogra_> mandel, haha ... can you see www.google.de outside of germany ?
[09:03] <Mirv> ogra_: hehe, yes apparently
[09:03] <mandel> ogra_, cute
[09:03] <mandel> hehe
[09:03] <ogra_> :)
[09:10] <mandel> ogra_, I hate armhf => http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769426/
[09:11] <ogra_> oh man
[09:14] <mandel> ogra_, looks like a bad bug
[09:14] <mandel> ogra_, getting the glib sources to see exactly what is going on
[09:27] <mandel> ogra_, ***** I have to debug assembly I have not done in YEARS!
[09:27] <ogra_> hahaha
[09:27] <ogra_> why is it using assembly at all ...
[09:27] <ogra_> it should use gcc atoms
[09:28] <mandel> ogra_, a headache anyway..
[09:28] <mandel> ogra_, I need to do a workaround not to hit that hehe
[09:28]  * mandel does not want to deal with this right now
[09:29] <ogra_> well, and file a bug
[09:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Sugar Cookie Day! :-D
[09:46] <Transfusion> hi, I'm unable to set up my dev environment with ubuntu 13.10 x86_64; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[09:46] <Transfusion> i get tons of errors related to libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 : Depends: libdrm-intel1:i386 (>= 2.4.38) but it is not going to be installed i386 packages
[09:46] <Transfusion> is it because ia32-libs seems to be missing lately for whatever reason
[09:51] <ogra_> ia32-libs was turned into a transitional package  two years ago i think, when multiarch support became the default
[09:53] <ogra_> you can try adding the packages it complains about to the list (with the :i386 attached to their name)
[09:55] <Transfusion> uhh, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 : Depends: libdrm2:i386 (>= 2.3.1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:55] <Transfusion> it just cascades into dependency hell, i'm pretty sure i can't add them all manually :f
[09:55] <Transfusion> oh might be one of the ppas i added conflicting
[09:56] <ogra_> you did do: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 ... and sudo apt-get update ? ... before you started ?
[09:56] <Transfusion> yep, I did that.
[11:37] <matv1> is gmail web app not starting since since latest landed image a known issue?
[11:37] <matv1> at least on mako
[11:41] <meaning> hey there
[11:42] <meaning> I just sent a message to the canonical team using the web form...would like to get contacted by them asap
[11:42] <meaning> is someone from the official team connected here ?
[11:45] <popey> meaning: wassup?
[11:45] <mandel> ogra_, do you know what was the last image with qt 5.2?
[11:45] <popey> 87 i think
[11:46] <ogra_> not from the top of my head ... somewhere around 90
[11:46] <ogra_> yeah, 87 might be correct
[11:46] <ogra_> check the changelogs ;)
[11:46] <mandel> ogra_, thx
[11:46] <popey> 91 was the first with 5.3
[11:46] <mandel> ogra_, well, I'm going to have a headache with this...
[11:46] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/91.changes
[11:46] <mandel> ogra_, popey have you guys seens qt apps failing/crashing for not known reason?
[11:46] <mandel> since 91 I mean
[11:47] <ogra_> not really
[11:47] <popey> no more or less than usual
[11:47] <ogra_> yeah
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[11:48] <matv1> i am seeing gmail web app crashing though :)  known issue?
[11:48] <popey> matv1: just about to try
[11:48] <popey> ogra_: i have had two crashes today on my promoted phone
[11:48] <ogra_> oh ?
[11:48] <ogra_> what crashed ?
[11:49] <popey> not sure, didnt reboot, went back to the spinning logo
[11:49] <popey> no crash files
[11:49] <popey> just tried to install gmail webapp, also crashed
[11:49] <matv1> popey i am getting: error opening shm /lttng-ust-wait-5-32011 (in get_wait_shm() at lttng-ust--comm.c:886))
[11:49] <popey> so unity  /mir or something
[11:49] <popey> matv1: ignorte that
[11:49] <matv1> okay
[11:50] <mandel> popey, so I'm getting the following bt => http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769878/
[11:50] <ogra_> popey, if you get the animation then at least the system-compositor crashed ... or even worse lightdm did
[11:50] <mandel> popey, that is in the middle of the event processing of the QEventLoop
[11:50] <popey> root      1300  0.0  0.1  33432  2700 ?        Ssl  11:28   0:00 lightdm
[11:50] <popey> doesnt look like lightdm
[11:50] <mandel> so.. we could have an issue there..
[11:51] <popey> root      1311  0.5  0.8 162864 16812 ?        Sl   11:28   0:25 unity-system-compositor --spinner=/usr/bin/unity-system-compositor-spinner --file /run/mir_socket --from-dm-fd 10 --to-dm-fd 13 --vt 1
[11:51] <popey> not that either
[11:51] <popey> unity died
[11:52] <popey> i get a blank window in gmail
[11:52] <popey> [Wed Jul  9 12:51:43 2014] type=1400 audit(1404906704.714:127): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_receive" profile="com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-gmail_webapp-gmail_1.0.12//oxide_helper" name="/home/phablet/.local/share/com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-gmail/databases/https_mail.google.com_0/1" pid=5544 comm="Chrome_ChildIOT" requested_mask="rw" denied_mask="rw" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[11:52] <matv1> popey yes same here
[11:52] <meaning> popey hey :)
[11:52] <ogra_> popey, right, i get that always if the session restarted ... you get a grey app window, if you kill it and start the app again it is fine
[11:52] <meaning> are you from canonical ?
[11:53] <popey> meaning: yes, as are others here
[11:54] <ogra_> popey, i think the app didnt really get killed with the session ... so it stays SIGSTOPed in background and if you fire it up in the new session the sleeping app treis to get respawned
[11:54] <ogra_> we either need to make sure the session really tears down all the apps or ricmm needs to invent fancy stuff for the app lifecycle to update the app env
[11:54] <popey> ogra_: are you talking about the gmail fail?
[11:54] <ogra_> yeah
[11:55] <popey> no, i hadn't started gmail
[11:55] <popey> i literally just installed it
[11:55] <ogra_> well, about the issue that alll apps that were running in the former sessioon turn up grey
[11:55] <popey> and then ran it
[11:55] <popey> not grey
[11:55] <popey> it opens, get a toolbar
[11:55] <ogra_> oh
[11:55] <matv1> ogra i think gmail is a different issue
[11:55] <popey> but nothing renders, see apparmor denial above
[11:56] <popey> I'll file a bug
[11:56] <matv1> popey okay thx
[11:58] <popey> matv1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-webapps-gmail/+bug/1339686
[11:58] <popey> can  you confirm that bug please?
[12:00] <matv1> done
[12:00] <popey> thanks
[12:00] <popey> will chase it up later when relavent people wake up
[12:01] <matv1> great! quick other question popey. trojita email client
[12:01] <matv1> can it be built yet?
[12:01] <popey> yes.
[12:01] <matv1> i mean somewhat usefully
[12:01] <popey> also, look in the store at dekko
[12:01] <popey> which is a preview of what it may look like.
[12:01] <popey> DanChapman is the guy who maintains dekko
[12:02] <matv1> ah okay it will look at it. thanks
[12:02] <popey> np
[12:09] <t1mp> I just did a ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed
[12:10] <t1mp> and now my nexus4 is stuck showing only the Google logo
[12:10] <t1mp> adb shell gives me BusyBox, and trying to re-flash it with ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed says this:
[12:10] <t1mp> 2014/07/09 14:09:42 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface...
[12:10] <t1mp> 2014/07/09 14:09:42 Device is |/system/bin/sh: getprop: not found|
[12:10] <t1mp> 2014/07/09 14:09:42 Device /system/bin/sh: getprop: not found not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed
[12:10] <t1mp> any ideas what may be wrong here?
[12:11] <t1mp>  < t1mp> I just did a ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed
[12:11] <Mirv> t1mp: I don't have ideas how it does end up in those situations, but you could --wipe --bootstrap flash after adb reboot-bootloader
[12:11] <t1mp> * < t1mp> I just did an ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed
[12:11] <t1mp> Mirv: ok, trying that, thanks
[12:11] <Mirv> at times, I've also had a situation where I only get the google logo, and sometimes there's no reason I can think of
[12:12]  * t1mp re-flashing image 122
[12:13] <t1mp> weird, 2014/07/09 14:12:23 Get https://system-image.ubuntu.com/pool/ubuntu-4ebb49eb5f1814477b9c604a7c9bd2a68457f6c3f6ab190607fd6f8381c7839c.tar.xz.asc: EOF
[12:13] <t1mp> on 2nd attempt it is downloading the image
[12:57] <nik90_> jdstrand, seb128: ping
[13:14] <kenvandine> seb128, my settings branch should be in good shape now
[13:14] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, saw that jenkins was happy, thanks
[13:15] <seb128> nik90_, oh, contentless ping btw, you might want to ask a question if you want a reply
[13:15] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, ^^ i fixed up the cellular plugin
[13:15] <nik90_> seb128: sry, I forgot
[13:16] <nik90_> seb128: hey I am using the QT FolderListModel to display the /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/ringtones folder in the clock app. On the desktop it works fine..but on the phone it turns up empty
[13:16] <nik90_> seb128: I dont see any errors
[13:16] <nik90_> seb128: How are you showing it in the system settings app?
[13:16] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, great, are we ready to land?
[13:17] <kenvandine> once the review is complete
[13:19] <seb128> nik90_, settings are not confined
[13:19] <nik90_> seb128: but I am only reading it which I thought I could do without any permission issues
[13:20] <seb128> could be, I don't know then
[13:20] <nik90_> seb128: thnx. will check with jdstrand if it could be permission issue
[13:21] <seb128> nik90_, check the apparmor log for DENY lines?
[13:21] <nik90_> seb128: will do
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, do you work with jgdxx?
[13:27] <seb128> kenvandine, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1211804-allow-technology-preference/+merge/226125 (not sure if that conflicts with your changes or not)
[13:29] <kenvandine> seb128, looks like he merged my latest changes in a few hours ago
[13:29] <seb128> great
[13:29] <jgdxx> actually, just minutes ago
[13:29] <seb128> review is still welcome if you want to do one ;-)
[13:30] <jgdxx> please do kenvandine :)
[13:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, did you run the cellular tests testing the operator stuff? That failed for me the last time I tried.
[13:30] <pmcgowan> ss landings woot
[13:30] <kenvandine> that's what i fixed last night
[13:31] <kenvandine> jgdx, looks like we never really made sure the cellular panel worked :)
[13:31] <kenvandine> i was focused on the phone one
[13:31] <kenvandine> but... what's in the current image doesn't work for me either :)
[13:31] <kenvandine> it never lists operators
[13:31] <kenvandine> but it passes the tests
[13:32] <kenvandine> my branch lists operators and ever registers :)
[13:32] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, I remember now I just switched to the tmobile sim which gave me no signal, so I didnt notice no operators
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine, see, tests are good, they made you fix things!
[13:32] <kenvandine> seb128, indeed... i'm thankful!
[13:34] <kenvandine> jgdx, so with libqofono we can change the technology preference?
[13:35] <kenvandine> woot... it looks like it does
[13:35] <kenvandine> ofono-qt didn't let you
[13:35] <jgdx> kenvandine, with my branch it works great!
[13:35] <kenvandine> at least last i looked
[13:35] <jgdx> (and of course your branch)
[13:36] <kenvandine> seb128, btw... now that hotspot landed, with showAllUI enabled the cellular panel doesn't fit on the page
[13:36] <kenvandine> and doesn't scroll
[13:36] <kenvandine> s/scroll/flick/
[13:37] <kenvandine> must be that contentHeight hack we love so much :)
[13:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, with your branch, does it fit?
[13:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, on my mako, my branch fits
[13:37] <kenvandine> cool
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, :/
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, what to fix that?
[13:38] <kenvandine> i'm curious why... for sure
[13:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, I don't have hotspots though
[13:38] <kenvandine> maybe we have some bad calculation somewhere for contentHeight
[13:40] <kenvandine> seb128, actually, the cellular panel doesn't have that hack
[13:40] <kenvandine> so maybe it's a simple fix
[13:40] <kenvandine> might just need to add a height somewhere
[13:41] <seb128> kenvandine, want to have a look before we land that work?
[13:41] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:42] <kenvandine> seb128, has all the bits for hotspot landed?
[13:42] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[13:42] <seb128> it's hidden by default though
[13:42] <kenvandine> should it work?
[13:42] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:42] <seb128> so not important to fix
[13:42] <kenvandine> didn't work for me
[13:42] <seb128> I think it's hidden because it doesn't
[13:42] <seb128> there is some kernel bug on the n4
[13:42] <kenvandine> ah
[13:55] <kenvandine> seb128, jgdx: i just had to put it in a Flickable
[13:56] <seb128> that makes sense
[13:57] <kenvandine> pushed
[13:57] <kenvandine> jgdx, merge from my branch again
[14:03] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack
[14:05] <jgdx> pitti, I'm getting sporadic "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-NWycDXXzTP: Connection refused" with this code, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7770380/
[14:05] <jgdx> pitti, could you give me a hint as to how crazy wrong that is? :)
[14:06] <popey> Saviq: davmor2: my welcome screen locked up again on my main phone, is there some magic fu to unblock it?
[14:06] <Saviq> popey, other than killing unity8, no
[14:06] <Saviq> popey, you could try and collect some data, though
[14:06] <popey> sure
[14:06] <Saviq> popey, maybe `pkill -SIGSEGV unity8` to fake a crash
[14:06] <popey> what do you need?
[14:07] <davmor2> popey: restart the phone, apport-bug --hanging `pidof unity8`
[14:07] <davmor2> Saviq: you're a bad bad man ;)
[14:07] <Saviq> davmor2, I just hope apport will pick it up ;P
[14:07] <davmor2> Saviq: hahaha
[14:08] <popey> no, apport-bug is broken
[14:08] <pitti> jgdx: looks alright at first sight; do you have something runnable for reproducing?
[14:08] <pitti> popey: FYI, bug 1339663
[14:08] <jgdx> pitti, lp:~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1297418-apply-new-designs-to-background-panel
[14:08] <popey> bug 1336685
[14:08] <pitti> popey: jibel told me today and filed that
[14:08] <davmor2> Saviq: would it be easy if there was a nice tb, yes, will you get one then, no ;)
[14:08] <popey> oh, heh
[14:08] <jgdx> pitti, sleep(2) after spawn_server seems to solve it, but I notice that you don't sleep when using templates.
[14:09] <Saviq> davmor2, probably not
[14:09] <pitti> jgdx: right, and spawn_server() waits until the bus name appears on the bus
[14:10] <popey> pitti: is anyone working on fixing that?
[14:10] <pitti> popey: I will, but I just got to know it like 2 hours ago
[14:10] <popey> oh ☹
[14:10] <pitti> popey: in the meantime, use apport-cli instead of ubuntu-bug
[14:11] <popey> does apport-cli do the same as Saviq said above?
[14:11] <popey> apport-cli --hanging `pidof unity8`
[14:11] <popey> ?
[14:11] <Saviq> popey, yeah, it does
[14:22] <popey> After the problem report has been sent, please fill out the form in the
[14:22] <popey> automatically opened web browser.
[14:22] <popey> it lied
[14:22] <popey> no browser opened
[14:22] <davmor2> popey: do you see a link in the terminal?
[14:22] <popey> no
[14:23] <davmor2> :(
[14:23] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7770441/
[14:25] <davmor2> popey: yeah that is similar to what I got
[14:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, after you merge my branch, be sure to push so we get builds from jenkins
[14:25] <kenvandine> i'd like to snag some debs to test it
[14:26] <kenvandine> jgdx, your branch that is
[14:26] <davmor2> Saviq: no good there I guess popey's report is 147kb
[14:27] <Saviq> davmor2, yeah :|
[14:27] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'd rather not do another armhf build of uss :)
[14:27]  * kenvandine has been spending way to much time build packages for that lately 
[14:37]  * jgdx too
[14:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, I'm just running one test on the phone, then merge+push
[14:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[14:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, pushed
[14:52] <kenvandine> thx
[14:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'll watch for CI builds
[14:53] <jgdx> seb128, I included mock backgrounds in the system settings package (if that's ok) but the install paths of uss differs. Any suggestions on how to deal with that?
[14:56] <seb128> jppiiroi1en, why did you include them in the settings package and not the autopilot one? what do you mean differs, between what and what?
[15:13] <kenvandine> seb128, i think that was meant for jgdx
[15:21] <kenvandine> robru, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/libfriends/lp1194211/+merge/226155
[15:27] <jgdx> seb128, right. Good point.
[15:27] <cjwatson> mardy_: Did you notice that silo 19 is stuck in -proposed?  The problem is that the build-dependency on chromium-browser was dropped, so unity-chromium-extension now builds on all architectures even though it won't be installable on architectures that lack it
[15:28] <cjwatson> mardy_: Any chance we could put that build-dep back and rebuild/republish that silo?  (Or a build-dep on webbrowser-app would probably do too, if that's lighter-weight)
[15:28] <cjwatson> mardy_: It'd then just need an archive admin to remove the stale binaries from -proposed (which I can do after the silo is republished)
[15:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you also add a description and commit message to that MP
[15:36]  * kenvandine wonders when CI will run...
[15:39] <MacSlow> Does anybody know why switching off GPS and location-service isn't permanent on the mako (N4)?
[15:42] <ogra_> MacSlow, its a bug
[15:42] <ogra_> once the actual location service lands this should be fixed
[15:43] <MacSlow> ogra_, ah ok... thx
[15:46] <kenvandine> bfiller, we have another branch from Elleo to add to your list of branches to land
[15:46] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/content-hub/peer-picker-cleanup/+merge/226127
[15:52] <bfiller> kenvandine: ack
[15:55] <alex-abreu> cjwatson, about silo 19, I am not sure why the chromium-browser deps was removed ...
[15:55] <alex-abreu> mmmh
[15:57] <jgdx> kenvandine, done
[15:59] <cjwatson> alex-abreu: ok, can we put it back then? :)
[16:00] <popey> alex-abreu: did you see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-webapps-gmail/+bug/1339686
[16:01] <alex-abreu> popey, yes, its in Jamie's backyard, the apparmor profile needs to be updated
[16:01] <popey> ah okay.
[16:01] <cwayne> mardy_: hey, can we get a better icon for the google account-plugin? it looks lo-res and kinda fuzzy
[16:01] <alex-abreu> popey, not sure why it is only visible now, but oSoMoN_ found that it was while trying to access the localStorage
[16:02] <alex-abreu> cwayne, mardy is off this week I think (holiday)
[16:02] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[16:02] <cwayne> alex-abreu: ah in that case, hey, can we get a better icon for the google account-plugin? it looks lo-res and kinda fuzzy :)
[16:03] <timtjtim> Can you have multiple apps open and running at the same time, i.e. even if they lose focus, they are still running?
[16:04] <alex-abreu> cjwatson, pushed the update
[16:05] <oSoMoN_> popey, I marked the bug as duplicate of bug #1339724, as this is where I added my investigation
[16:05] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN_, thx
[16:06] <alex-abreu> cwayne, aha, ... well ... you might want to file a bug :)
[16:07] <cwayne> sure, which package?
[16:08] <popey> jdstrand: /50
[16:08] <popey> bah!
[16:08] <alex-abreu> cwayne, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts ?
[16:13] <cjwatson> alex-abreu: OK, thanks, looks good; want me to rebuild the silo for you?
[16:14] <cwayne> alex-abreu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1339785
[16:14] <alex-abreu> cjwatson, that'd be great :)
[16:14] <alex-abreu> cwayne, ok :)
[16:16] <cjwatson> alex-abreu: urgh, any reason this MP has apparently never been top-approved?
[16:17] <alex-abreu> cjwatson, not afaik
[16:18] <cjwatson> alex-abreu: are you able to do that?
[16:19] <alex-abreu> cjwatson, done
[16:19] <cjwatson> great, thanks
[16:20] <cjwatson> building now
[16:20] <cjwatson> er, need more options, hang on
[16:32] <n-iCe> hello guys! are there any ubuntu touch apps done already?
[16:33] <ogra_> a few hundret
[16:33] <n-iCe> really?
[16:33] <n-iCe> where canI check them
[16:33] <ogra_> http://developer.ubuntu.com/pioneers
[16:34] <n-iCe> is whatsapp ready?
[16:34] <ogra_> (there is no web UI for the stroe yet so that url is the closest you can get if you dont look on a phone)
[16:35] <ogra_> no whatsapp doesnt allow third parties to develop apps for their protocol anymore
[16:35] <ogra_> (they killed all opensrouice projects using it)
[16:35] <ogra_> whatsapp will only happen if facebook/whatsapp decides to write an app themselves
[16:36] <infernix> is ubuntu-touch suitable for all-in-one x86 systems with resistive|capacitive touch screens?
[16:37] <K1773R> armhf != x86
[16:37] <popey> we have an x86 image which might work if it's intel based
[16:37] <infernix> i'm talking about apt-get install ubuntu-touch, and the generic framework. i'm building an image myself
[16:38] <infernix> i mean can it work, or am I barking up the wrong tree?
[16:38] <n-iCe> ogra_: that's sad
[16:38] <n-iCe> that's the app I use the most
[16:39] <infernix> or is there a lot of arm only work done that isn't available in the x86 repos?
[16:39] <popey> infernix: its in the repo, sure
[16:39] <K1773R> nvm me then, sry
[16:40] <n-iCe> could not find instagram either
[16:40] <n-iCe> anyway, I'm gonna flash it
[16:40] <kenvandine> Elleo, bfiller: ignore the MP i just submitted for content-hub, i just want to get debs from CI
[16:40] <infernix> so it should work for any evdev supported touchscreen then? what WM is it using, unity?
[16:42] <n-iCe> do you actually guys use this rom as daily drive?
[16:43] <ogra_> infernix, well, try it out http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/... its a live image you should be able to run from USB stick
[16:43] <infernix> ogra_: where's the build system for that?
[16:43] <infernix> are there sources to it?
[16:43] <ogra_> (not sure it is installable ... x86 isnt really in our focus atm)
[16:44] <ogra_> it uses the same build system all ubuntu images use ...
[16:44] <popey> i installed it recently, seemed to install fine
[16:44] <infernix> oh, but that's just the testing desktop installer isn't it
[16:44] <ogra_> (which is a rather complex combo of cdimage, live-build, livecd-rootfs and debian-cd)
[16:44] <ogra_> infernix, thats ubuntu-touch for x86
[16:44] <cjwatson> ogra_: and launchpad-buildd :)
[16:44] <ogra_> it will become our next desktop eventually
[16:44] <infernix> yeah i know the drill. debian since 1996 here.
[16:45] <ogra_> oh, and launchpad-buildd :)
[16:46] <infernix> i see, i'll give it a shot on LTS first and see where I end up. i don't need a lot of features, just enough to have a touch supported kiosk device working
[16:52] <infernix> looks like i'll have to pick what i need from the ubuntu-touch meta package. lxc is causing my kvm vm to hang after pivot_root
[16:53] <cwayne> how come the indicator is now green, but the LED indicator bit is blue?
[16:54] <infernix> is there a specific display manager used? or just something like nodm/lightdm?
[16:57] <dobey> mir manages the display, if that's what you mean
[16:58] <dobey> cwayne: you're using ubuntu on a N5 right?
[16:58] <cwayne> yar
[16:58] <cwayne> i mean there was clearly a design change on the 'incoming' indicator
[16:58] <dobey> cwayne: does the backlight always stay on for you?
[16:58] <cwayne> used to turn blue, now turns green instead
[16:58] <cwayne> dobey: yea
[16:58] <dobey> yeah, the suru theme changed all the indicators
[16:59] <dobey> it being a bell now is also a bit weird
[17:00] <dobey> i wonder why it's even shown if there are no messages under incoming, to show
[17:01] <kenvandine> jgdx, testing your branch on the device, it does change the tech preference but the ItemSelector keeps getting disabled
[17:01] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7771121/
[17:01] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^ that's the log
[17:01] <maffo999> hello room
[17:01] <kenvandine> in order to change it more than once, i have to navigate back and go in again
[17:01] <maffo999> is there anyone here that can help me troubleshoot a failed installation of ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 (razor) please?
[17:02] <kenvandine> jgdx, not sure why it keeps getting an empty TechnologyPreference
[17:03] <kenvandine> seb128, can you review my fixes in my MP?
[17:04] <seb128> kenvandine, done, approved
[17:04] <kenvandine> seb128, thx!
[17:04] <seb128> kenvandine, feel free to organize a landing if you want
[17:04] <seb128> or I can try to do that tomorrow
[17:04] <kenvandine> lets wait until tomorrow
[17:04] <kenvandine> maybe we can get jgdx's branch in there too :)
[17:04] <infernix> std::exception::what: Could not open hardware module. looks like Mir needs specific hardware support?
[17:05] <kenvandine> it works, mostly ;)
[17:05] <infernix> seems it is looking for /system/lib//system/lib/libhardware.so, which I obviously don't have on x86.
[17:06] <seb128> kenvandine, you are going to review that one?
[17:06] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:06] <seb128> great
[17:06] <seb128> thanks
[17:06] <kenvandine> np
[17:06] <kenvandine> thank you
[17:07] <kenvandine> popey, when is ahayzen usually around?
[17:07] <kenvandine> popey, i have a branch of content-hub that should help him with music-app
[17:08] <kenvandine> popey, it's based on what i suggested in my email reply to him, but i haven't heard back
[17:13] <ogra_> infernix, that is with the daily live image ?
[17:14] <infernix> no, looks like the ubuntu-touch metapackage really isn't suitable for generic x86. it's not in the daily live squashfs; i'll take a look at the squashfs rootfs and try to figure out how mir is supposed to run on x86
[17:14] <ogra_> yeah
[17:14] <ogra_> there is a manifest file
[17:15] <ogra_> no need to dig in the squashfs
[17:17] <infernix> well, there's a lot here that isn't in LTS
[17:17] <ogra_> yup
[17:17] <infernix> would it even work on LTS at all?
[17:18] <ogra_> not sure ...
[17:18] <ogra_> x86 is currently more of a stepchild ... focus is on phones til the devices get released ...
[17:19] <kenvandine> Elleo, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/content_item_move/+merge/226173
[17:19] <kenvandine> Elleo, but lets not land it until we get feedback from ahayzen
[17:19] <kenvandine> popey, ^^
[17:20] <infernix> so hm. maybe i need to approach this from a "x86-laptop-with-touchscreen" standpoint
[17:21] <kenvandine> Elleo, this is an example that exercises the move lp:~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-importer-with-move
[17:26] <john-mcaleely> what should I capture to get the fine detail of a wifi access point? (stupid question probably). I have a handset which crashes for some wifi basestations, but no way to tell them apart in the phone UI
[17:31] <kenvandine> ahayzen, hey... i was just looking for you :)
[17:31] <ahayzen> kenvandine, o/
[17:32] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/content_item_move/+merge/226173
[17:32] <kenvandine> that implements the solution i had suggested in my email
[17:32] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i agree with that part of the solution ... however...
[17:32] <ahayzen> kenvandine, we only see what mediascanner2 has indexed
[17:33] <kenvandine> that is something we can't deal with in content-hub though
[17:33] <kenvandine> well, you see the incoming transfer though
[17:33] <ahayzen> kenvandine, therefore we wouldn't be able to make up a name to save it as from the metadata...because mediascanner2 has not indexed
[17:33] <kenvandine> and move it to the right directory
[17:33] <kenvandine> ah...
[17:33] <kenvandine> that's ugly...
[17:33] <ahayzen> kenvandine, also we currently have no way, that we are aware of, of reloading the mediascanner2 models
[17:34] <ahayzen> kenvandine, so they have to be indexed in mediascanner2 *before* the app is launched
[17:34] <kenvandine> i guess what you need is a QML api to get the metadata from the file
[17:34] <kenvandine> instead of relying on mediascanner
[17:34] <jgdx> kenvandine, hm, looking
[17:34] <ahayzen> kenvandine, well ideally if you could just tell mediascanner2... scan this file please and tell me the metadata
[17:35] <kenvandine> yeah, or something that returns the metadata
[17:35] <kenvandine> i'd assume you don't want mediascanner to keep it in it's index until it's moved
[17:35] <ahayzen> kenvandine, and if mediascanner2 had 'live' models (so that as things are added to the index they autoappear in the models like U1DB does) or a way to refresh the models
[17:36] <kenvandine> ahayzen, so i think what i added to content-hub is the most we can do for the content exchange part of the process
[17:36] <kenvandine> but there are clearly more problems to solve :/
[17:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, what does get tech pref in ofono scripts tell you? Empty as well?
[17:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, any
[17:37] <ahayzen> kenvandine, yeah we would just want the metadata of the file from mediascanner2... then we would move the file into ~/Music which would then be auto indexed by mediascanenr2.... then we would need to know when the index has completed and reload all our models (or ideally if they could be live somehow)
[17:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, it only does that when i change it
[17:38] <rpadovani> kenvandine, so, I spent ~4 hours on Bacon2D, and it's very awesome! Thanks to your examples (very useful!) I was able to do the clone of an Android game in ~3 hours. Totally awesome :-)
[17:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, so i change the tech pref, and it disables the ItemSelector
[17:38] <ahayzen> kenvandine, agreed that is probably as much as you can do from content-hub side... now mediascanner2 needs resolving/feature adding
[17:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, you change the tech pref from the UI
[17:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, and i can't change it again, if i back out and go back in, i can change it again
[17:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, yes
[17:38] <ahayzen> popey, do you agreed with the solution? ^^
[17:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, to change it more than once, i have to bounce back and fourth :)
[17:39] <kenvandine> rpadovani, awesome!
[17:39] <jgdx> kenvandine, right :) I'll go bouldering and then take a look.
[17:39] <kenvandine> rpadovani, is your game in the store yet?
[17:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool, thx
[17:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, after lunch i'll do a more thorough code review
[17:40] <kenvandine> rpadovani, or is the code somewhere?
[17:40] <ahayzen> kenvandine, just one question how would the permissions/confinement work with this move() function?
[17:40] <rpadovani> kenvandine, nope, I have to do a bit of graphic and to implement the score, but the game itself is ready. I think I'll push it on GitHub in a couple of hours, then I'll notify you :-)
[17:40] <ahayzen> kenvandine, would we have to have write access to ~/Music or would content-hub allow this?
[17:40] <kenvandine> ahayzen, the move runs in confinement
[17:41] <kenvandine> so it moves it from HubIncoming to whatever path you give it
[17:41] <kenvandine> but it has to be a path your app has access to
[17:41] <ahayzen> kenvandine, ok understood
[17:41] <kenvandine> ahayzen, it basically takes destPath (the target directory, not file) as an arg
[17:41] <kenvandine> and moves the file in ContentItem.url to that dir
[17:41] <kenvandine> if it's a local file
[17:42] <ahayzen> kenvandine, hmm so the filename.ext will remain the same?
[17:42] <kenvandine> rpadovani, great, i love seeing how people use it
[17:42] <kenvandine> ahayzen, yes
[17:42] <infernix> ogra_: well, ubuntu-desktop-next doesn't seem very stable under KVM. vmvga driver causes black screens, qxl driver seems to cause kernel panic. vga driver works, but user gets kicked out of session directly after login.
[17:42] <kenvandine> i guess you want to change that?
[17:42] <ahayzen> kenvandine, so we couldn't format it like ~/Music/Artist/Album/tracknum - title.ext ? ... or would we just leave the filename as it was before ...
[17:43] <kenvandine> leave the filename as it was before
[17:43] <ahayzen> kenvandine, idk i was just thinking aloud ;)
[17:43] <rpadovani> kenvandine, until now, in a very basic manner :-) The game is 100Balls, so it's something that you have in your examples, I had only to put all together :-)
[17:43] <kenvandine> i guess i could make move smarter...
[17:43] <kenvandine> if you give it a dir, keep the filename
[17:43] <kenvandine> but if it isn't a dir... then rename the file
[17:43] <kenvandine> ahayzen, actually, that won't work...
[17:43] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i'll have a chat with Victor when he is around and see if he agrees with the solution
[17:43] <kenvandine> dest won't exist... so i can't check it
[17:44] <infernix> unity-system-compositor seems to die with a "std::exception::what: assign: Operation not permitted"
[17:44] <ogra_> infernix, i think thats a known issue ... only works on real HW atm
[17:44] <ahayzen> kenvandine, hmmm ok i'll have a chat and see if we think we need to set the filename or not... could this not be an optional arg?
[17:44] <infernix> define real? what exactly does it need?
[17:44] <kenvandine> ahayzen, so we'd have to require it to be a full path with filename as an arg, or a dir as an arg
[17:45] <infernix> opengl?
[17:45] <kenvandine> ahayzen, perhaps
[17:45] <ogra_> infernix, an intel, ati or nvidia card and either of the free drivers for them ...
[17:45] <ogra_> infernix, nope, all GLES
[17:45] <kenvandine> ahayzen, so maybe move(dir,name) ?
[17:45] <kenvandine> where name is optional
[17:45] <ogra_> infernix, for details there is #ubuntu-mir ...
[17:45] <ahayzen> kenvandine, yeah that covers all possibilities?
[17:45] <kenvandine> Elleo, what do you think of that?
[17:46] <kenvandine> ahayzen, can you comment on the MP requesting that?
[17:46] <ahayzen> kenvandine, yep will do :)
[17:46] <kenvandine> ahayzen, thx
[17:47] <kenvandine> ahayzen, i wish i had ideas for getting that metadata for you...
[17:47] <infernix> ogra_: thanks.
[17:47] <ahayzen> kenvandine, hah yeah...but even if we had it ... we still need to be able to reload the models somehow
[17:52] <ahayzen> kenvandine, commented, does that make sense?
[17:55] <kenvandine> ahayzen, perfect
[17:55] <ahayzen> kenvandine, cool thanks for your help so far
[17:55] <kenvandine> np
[18:04] <infernix> ogra_: so on real hardware the installer works but no onscreen keyboard shows up when selected
[18:04] <ogra_> sounds like a bug
[18:04]  * ogra_ has never run touch on x86 yet :) 
[18:05] <ogra_> check if maliit-server is running ... thats the OSK
[18:06] <ogra_> (though i'm not sure at all if the installer doesnt actually use X ... it might)
[18:08] <infernix> definitely not runnign
[18:14] <infernix> X does run
[18:15] <infernix> i also accidentally toggled high contrast mode
[18:16] <infernix> and can't seem to turn it off. but might all just be installer woes.
[18:32] <rpadovani> kenvandine, I have a lot of work to do before publish the app, (e.g, add levels, an end page etc etc) but the busic dinamycs of the game are ready :-) https://github.com/rpadovani/100balls
[18:40] <kenvandine> rpadovani, cool, i'll look at it :)
[18:44] <gatox>  hi...  does anyone has any idea why when trying to build u-s-s on my desktop machine i get an error with #include <qpa/qplatformnativeinterface.h> ?
[18:46] <kenvandine> rpadovani, very nice!  i guess you'd prefer not needing to build bacon2d into your click package :)
[18:47] <kenvandine> rpadovani, you can look at pathwind to see how i build it in statically
[18:47] <kenvandine> https://github.com/kenvandine/pathwind/tree/ubuntu
[18:47] <kenvandine> rpadovani, at least until i convince someone it would be useful to include in the platform :-D
[18:47] <kenvandine> pmcgowan ^^
[18:50] <kenvandine> rpadovani, have you tried it on a device yet?
[18:52] <kenvandine> rpadovani, you could also do away with the MainView and the PageStack and use Game as your container
[18:52] <kenvandine> rpadovani, Game has a gameName property which is just like applicationName, so settings storage and all works well with confinement
[18:53] <kenvandine> and you could make your start page a scene, and just switch scenes
[18:54] <kenvandine> rpadovani, basically you could drop all ubuntu specific code and make your game work on android as well :)
[18:55] <kenvandine> the only reason i used a MainView was for the orientation helper stuff
[18:55] <kenvandine> for locking the orientation
[18:57] <kenvandine> rpadovani, my goal is to make sure bacon2d always works great on ubuntu, but also remains cross-platform, i think that's a very compelling argument for QML
[18:58] <infernix> ogra_: same problems on real hardware it seems.
[18:58] <infernix> neither guest session nor user session works. intel gpu.
[19:11] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, you need to bribe ogra to add it to the seed ;)
[19:11] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i can seed it... :)
[19:11] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, but then i'd get yelled at :)
[19:11] <pmcgowan> indeed
[19:13] <kenvandine> we're giving it a real 1.0 release on the 15th... then we'll keep a stable API
[19:13] <rpadovani> kenvandine, ok, thanks for the informations :-)
[19:13] <kenvandine> rpadovani, seriously, nice work!
[19:14] <kenvandine> rpadovani, just wanted to give you advice on how you could keep it cross-platform
[19:15] <kenvandine> pmcgowan: and it only exposes QML components, so nobody will be linking against it :-p
[19:15] <rpadovani> kenvandine, you're right :-)
[19:17] <rpadovani> kenvandine, Could I suggest to improve documentation for scene.debug? You need to declare it only after the component is completed.. I was a bit confusing, I had Scene {debug: true}  and didn't work :-)
[19:17] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, well we included similar things in the past that core apps used
[19:18] <kenvandine> rpadovani, really?
[19:18] <kenvandine> that's a bug
[19:18] <kenvandine> please file a bug about that
[19:19] <rpadovani> kenvandine, oh, ok. At least, on Utopic 64bit it is
[19:19] <kenvandine> i guess i tested it by toggling it to true with a button
[19:19] <rpadovani> yes, and that's work
[19:19] <kenvandine> oh... i bet i know why...
[19:19] <kenvandine> i can fix it
[19:19] <kenvandine> it's because the box2d world isn't ready yet
[19:19] <kenvandine> easy to fix.. .just please file a bug
[19:20] <kenvandine> i'
[19:20] <kenvandine> rpadovani, i'll fix it tonight
[19:20] <rpadovani> cool :-)
[19:20] <kenvandine> rpadovani, for fun... you could take a look at my new showcase example, if you close my Bacon2D repo
[19:20] <kenvandine> and look at the examples branch
[19:20] <kenvandine> it's a gallery of the examples
[19:21] <kenvandine> with a menu to switch between them, toggle debug in an overlay, etc
[19:21]  * rpadovani goes to update the repo
[19:21] <kenvandine> i'm going to add links to the api docs and sources as well, like the ubuntu sdk gallery does
[19:45] <taiebot> Hey all i have just confirmed Bug #1329739
[19:48] <maffo999> is there anybody here who got a spare 5 minutes to help me troubleshoot a failed ubuntu touch flash?
[19:53] <rpadovani> kenvandine, I don't undestand if is a bug or an expected behavior. If I set Game {scene: idScene} the center of the scene is in the center of the game, but if I use game.pushScene(idScene) the center of the scene is in 0,0 of the game
[19:54] <kenvandine> rpadovani, not sure... mind asking paulovap in #bacon2d?
[19:54] <kenvandine> i haven't played with the scene stacking code
[19:54] <kenvandine> that landed while i was on holiday
[19:54] <rpadovani> do you have also a dedicated IRC channel? Coooool :-)
[19:54] <kenvandine> sounds like a bug though
[19:55] <kenvandine> yeah... most of the developers aren't ubuntu developers :)
[21:13] <kenvandine> robru, i'm not jumping up and down to fix it... but in testing that i did notice if you try to post a single word with friends-app and you have added a space at the end of what you typed, it tries to post an empty message
[21:13] <kenvandine> like the OSK isn't done entering the word
[21:14] <robru> kenvandine, ... what?
[21:14] <kenvandine> i guess the textarea doesn't know what the value of text is until the OSK is done
[21:14] <kenvandine> so try to post
[21:14] <kenvandine> but type a single word
[21:14] <kenvandine> and don't add a space at the end
[21:14] <robru> kenvandine, that sounds like an OSK bug? not sure how friends can fix/workaround that
[21:15] <kenvandine> robru, yeah... not sure where
[21:15] <kenvandine> not friends
[21:15] <kenvandine> friends could refuse to try to post if message is empty though :)
[21:15] <robru> kenvandine, that does make sense...
[21:15] <kenvandine> but
[21:16] <kenvandine> i don't think this used to behave this way
[21:16] <kenvandine> so maybe OSK changes
[21:16] <kenvandine> i've tested many times with "test"
[21:16] <robru> kenvandine, dunno, I never tried to post one word before... ;-)
[21:16]  * kenvandine is lazy...
[21:18] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, thats related to the word completion stuff, I thought we fixed that
[21:18] <pmcgowan> Elleo might remember
[21:19] <kenvandine> we could handle that in friends, but shouldn't need to
[21:19] <pmcgowan> agreed
[21:19] <pmcgowan> sounds familiar
[21:20] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, robru https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1305999
[21:21] <kenvandine> we should fix that :)
[21:22] <pmcgowan> I assigned the bug and marked confirmed
[21:22] <robru> wow that bug is from april... how many promoted images had this bug? yikes
[21:22] <pmcgowan> it got worked around in messaging
[21:22] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:22] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, thx!
[21:22] <pmcgowan> and sil never replied on it
[21:22] <pmcgowan> ok
[21:22] <kenvandine> that will bite other apps
[21:22] <kenvandine> it's never what an app developer expects
[21:23] <pmcgowan> indeed
[21:38] <derek-g> when is ubuntu phone going to come out?
[21:38] <popey>  devices later this year
[21:39] <derek-g> popey, but how much later???
[21:39] <derek-g> popey, im dying from old ages....
[21:39] <popey> can't say, not my department ☻
[21:39] <derek-g> popey, any decade now
[21:40] <derek-g> popey, meanwhile I keep holding off from buying a new android - cuz i hate googl soo much. :)
[21:41] <popey> yeah, I have been holding off buying a new phone too
[21:41] <popey> but I will totally buy the first ubuntu phone that comes out
[21:42] <derek-g> popey, hell yeah.
[21:42] <derek-g> derek-g, me an my cousin too...
[21:49] <derek-g> I can't take it any longer. i'm gonna freeze myself until ubuntu phone comes out. don't forget to unfreeze me guys.
[21:49] <popey> Roger Roger!
[21:51] <matv1> popey on that note though: will the nexus devices be abandoned as reference devices once bq meizu devices are finalysed?
[21:53] <popey> dunno
[21:53] <popey> sorry
[21:53] <matv1> np
[22:18] <otherjon> hi ubuntu-touch team -- thanks for all your hard work so far
[22:18] <otherjon> having a problem with bluetooth on Nexus 7 LTE
[22:18] <otherjon> daemon dying nearly-instantly, messages in kern.log (details available on request)
[22:18] <otherjon> anyone around who can help me figure out what's going on?
[22:58] <otherjon> can anyone help me investigate an ubuntu-touch bluetooth issue?  daemon dying nearly-instantly, messages in kern.log available on request