| gamerchick02 | oooo jrwren, how's it running? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| gamerchick02 | it was a hair slow off the stick | 00:00 |
| jrwren | insanely nice. | 00:00 |
| jrwren | 6s boot to login prompt | 00:01 |
| gamerchick02 | whoa | 00:01 |
| gamerchick02 | how's the battery? | 00:01 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm getting over 4 hrs with OSX but it's down to about 3 with ubuntu | 00:01 |
| jrwren | and this past hour has been more time than I've spent with unity, every. its really nice. | 00:01 |
| gamerchick02 | but that might be something to do with the USB stick | 00:01 |
| jrwren | says 5hrs. | 00:01 |
| gamerchick02 | nice | 00:01 |
| jrwren | i don't know when unity added the help when you hold super down for a long time, but that is just excellent. | 00:02 |
| gamerchick02 | nice | 00:02 |
| gamerchick02 | now the question... what if you want to go back to OSX? | 00:03 |
| gamerchick02 | unless you dual booted | 00:03 |
| jrwren | i dual booted. | 00:03 |
| gamerchick02 | i only have a 128 gb SSD so it's not really possible. if i'd gotten a larger drive i might dual boot | 00:03 |
| jrwren | and installed refit too. | 00:03 |
| gamerchick02 | nice | 00:03 |
| jrwren | yeah, I have 512 | 00:03 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah. way better | 00:03 |
| gamerchick02 | maybe when my mac goes off update support i'll ubuntu it up | 00:04 |
| jrwren | i bought the highest macbookair I could get, because the only thing I didn't want, was online store only. | 00:04 |
| gamerchick02 | dang | 00:04 |
| jrwren | hey, its for work. | 00:04 |
| jrwren | a worker should use the best tools money can buy :) | 00:04 |
| gamerchick02 | i got what i thought was a good deal in Portland: 128 gb, 4 gb RAM, 11" screen, case, for a hair over $1200 | 00:05 |
| gamerchick02 | offing case was like $50. just for a soft zip case. oh well | 00:05 |
| gamerchick02 | *effing. i can't even fake curse properly | 00:05 |
| jrwren | sounds like a normal price for that now. | 00:05 |
| jrwren | yeah, cases are expensive. | 00:06 |
| jrwren | i stole my wife's old spire bag years ago. | 00:06 |
| gamerchick02 | nice | 00:06 |
| gamerchick02 | well i figure if i have a form fitting case i can put it in whatever bag i want | 00:06 |
| jrwren | she used to carry a tiny toshiba portige in it | 00:06 |
| jrwren | yup, truth. | 00:06 |
| gamerchick02 | and i'm being bad and not going to mug tonight | 00:06 |
| gamerchick02 | i should | 00:06 |
| jrwren | ah, me too. | 00:07 |
| jrwren | i should have gone. | 00:07 |
| jrwren | so THAT is where the chatters are :) | 00:07 |
| jrwren | i need to learn lots about go-lang | 00:07 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL | 00:07 |
| gamerchick02 | go-lang? | 00:07 |
| jrwren | that is the mug topic for tonight | 00:08 |
| gamerchick02 | http://ukutabs.com/t/the-white-stripes/hotel-yorba/ i wanna learn that really well. i should listen to the song more so i can figure out the stemming pattern | 00:08 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/ojSYS5 - "Hotel Yorba" by The White Stripes Ukulele Tabs on UkuTabs | 00:08 |
| jrwren | great song. | 00:08 |
| gamerchick02 | i know! | 00:08 |
| jrwren | ever drive by there? | 00:08 |
| gamerchick02 | no i've not | 00:09 |
| gamerchick02 | and C-D-G so it's not too hard! | 00:09 |
| jrwren | head south in i75 out of detroit. it isn't very far down the road | 00:09 |
| gamerchick02 | cool | 00:09 |
| gamerchick02 | i should. | 00:09 |
| jrwren | i've never been in there. I kinda wanna check out the lobby while listening to the song :) | 00:09 |
| gamerchick02 | that'd be way cool | 00:10 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm happy that your install went well | 00:10 |
| gamerchick02 | i forgot that i had a 16 gb thumb drive so i'll redo the ubuntu install to it so i have more room | 00:11 |
| gamerchick02 | gonna lay on the couch. feeling icky. hope more people are in chat tomorrow! well, maybe not, since it's coffeehouse coders. | 00:26 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: glad i'm not the only person who likes unity | 00:57 |
| jrwren | i like it a lot, I only wish there was a way to shrink the chrome. | 01:26 |
| cmaloney | Evening | 03:32 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Yeah, you should have come to MUG. :) | 03:32 |
| waldo323 | GO language video will be available soon though for those that missed it | 05:59 |
| jrwren | i'm going to watch teh video | 11:26 |
| jrwren | i was honestly distracted with work up through when mug started :) | 11:26 |
| rick_h__ | morning | 11:29 |
| jrwren | morning | 11:37 |
| mrgoodcat | i want to see that one too | 12:24 |
| mrgoodcat | i think i'm going to go back and watch some of those videos on the MUG g+ today | 12:24 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 12:45 |
| brousch | So far | 12:47 |
| waf | i've already lived through it, i can assure you it will be a good morning. | 12:51 |
| jrwren | waf: lol! | 12:52 |
| jrwren | waf: how's winter? | 12:52 |
| waf | it's a balmy 84 degrees! quite nice | 12:53 |
| rick_h__ | waf: woot! how goes? | 12:54 |
| waf | pretty good. arrived in Thailand this past saturday, so this week is full of apartment hunting | 12:54 |
| jrwren | i just realized all the world cup games have been played in winter. | 12:55 |
| waf | i should be able to move in to an apartment sometimes next week. | 12:55 |
| jrwren | oh Thailand. it isn't winter there. | 12:55 |
| jrwren | my brain is broken. I was thinking you were in AU. | 12:55 |
| waf | ah, yeah, that was a potential plan if the political instability in Thailand was an issue | 12:56 |
| waf | but things are fine here | 12:56 |
| brousch | Why would you move to Thailand? | 13:02 |
| jrwren | for work. | 13:02 |
| jrwren | plus, its awesome. | 13:02 |
| waf | yeah, jrwren summed it up. i had an internship i really liked, and my boss during that internship asked if i wanted to join him at his company in thailand. | 13:03 |
| brousch | What is awesome about it? | 13:05 |
| brousch | I honestly know nothing about Thailand | 13:05 |
| waf | the weather is awesome (tad on the hot side, but there's zero snow), the people are super friendly, stunning beaches. | 13:07 |
| waf | everything is very inexpensive, which is great if you're on a western salary | 13:07 |
| waf | and bangkok is a modern city with all the niceties you'd expect. | 13:08 |
| brousch | Do most people speak English? | 13:08 |
| waf | in bangkok most people speak some english (at a first-grade level or so). all the street signs and such have english | 13:09 |
| waf | though i'm learning thai, because it's more fun that way | 13:10 |
| brousch | That's not bad | 13:12 |
| waf | nope | 13:13 |
| brousch | It sounds like a great life opportunity. I'm jealous | 13:16 |
| jrwren | brousch: massage parlors | 13:17 |
| waf | yeah, i may be insane for doing this, but it's not really a thing i'd want to pass up | 13:17 |
| jrwren | massage parlors are awesome about it :p | 13:17 |
| waf | seriously. there are parlors every 100 feet or so. not sure how many of them are legit | 13:18 |
| rick_h__ | 10 | 13:18 |
| rick_h__ | my uncle-in-law was camping with us over the 4th. He was in thailand during the unrest. He says it was actually a good thing. Nice curfew for the students, guess he thinks it'll be good for the country as a whole, etc. | 13:19 |
| rick_h__ | he's been going there for education related stuff for some 30 years | 13:19 |
| jrwren | waf: remember advise of Jimmy Dugan | 13:19 |
| brousch | waf: Definitely not insane | 13:20 |
| waf | rick_h__: nice, does he teach english? seems like that's what 90% of foreigners here do. | 13:26 |
| rick_h__ | waf: I didn't get that. He is in a MN college and seems to go over there 3 or 4 times a year. | 13:26 |
| rick_h__ | guess he's been doing it for a long long time | 13:26 |
| brousch | Does he teach English in the massage parlors? | 13:27 |
| rick_h__ | I'll ask him next time I see him I guess | 13:28 |
| rick_h__ | :) | 13:28 |
| brousch | That could get uncomfortable | 13:28 |
| jrwren | lol | 13:28 |
| mrgoodcat | gah | 14:16 |
| mrgoodcat | i keep trying to use my i3 shortcuts in unity | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | There's a special ring of hell for fucking smart quotes. | 15:07 |
| cmaloney | also: I hereby dub smart-quotes with a new name: fuckquotes. | 15:07 |
| brousch | shitquotes | 15:08 |
| mrgoodcat | not even sure what you're talking about | 15:10 |
| cmaloney | Even better: I'm trying to find these fuckers in a .csv file in a field where a customer wrote a tome of hate. | 15:10 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Oh, you will... .You will... | 15:10 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 15:10 |
| jrwren | smartquotes are like m4 `quotes', right? | 15:11 |
| mrgoodcat | oh are you talking about quotes where it's not just a regular quote character? | 15:11 |
| mrgoodcat | but the curly one | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: yes | 15:11 |
| mrgoodcat | yea those suck | 15:11 |
| mrgoodcat | find and replace all | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I'd rather use asciidammit | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | but NOOOOOOo | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | Also: it's in unicode-16 | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | so that brings its own hell along with it | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | such as: The version of CentOS is archaic enough to have vim 7.0 which knows not of Unicode-16 | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | I really fucking hate CentOS. | 15:13 |
| cmaloney | (as a developer. As a sysadmin I liked it) | 15:13 |
| brousch | CentOS, or Red Hat? | 15:13 |
| cmaloney | CentOS | 15:13 |
| brousch | So Red Hat is OK? | 15:13 |
| cmaloney | brousch: I have no direct experience | 15:14 |
| krondor | CentOS is redhat now, or at least that's how I saw it | 16:06 |
| waldo323 | I was happy when I heard that even though we don't use it much | 16:28 |
| cmaloney | grrr... Hate it when a long-running process craps out because I have a typo | 16:31 |
| krondor | waldo323: yeah it just means better support. We have a lot of centos and redhat, but most of my systems aren't. | 16:39 |
| rick_h__ | it's a path for RH to keep a RH that's disinct from the paid for supported RH | 16:42 |
| rick_h__ | IMO :) | 16:42 |
| krondor | it looks to me like redhat == debian, centos == debian unstable, fedora == ubuntu more or less | 16:44 |
| krondor | also centos gives redhat a starting point to upsell support, where they would have missed out in the past | 16:48 |
| rick_h__ | well they figured out fedora wasn't the onramp to RHE but centos was | 16:48 |
| krondor | wow when did 6TB HDDs come out? | 17:49 |
| waldo323 | When I wasn't looking | 17:50 |
| krondor | and I felt like HDD increases were slowing with SSD acceptance guess not | 17:51 |
| jrwren | a while, ago, IIRC they are enterprise class only | 18:01 |
| jrwren | and very $$$ | 18:01 |
| mrgoodcat | super big hard drives are a bad idea anyways... | 18:02 |
| jrwren | why? | 18:02 |
| mrgoodcat | i'd rather RAID together a few smaller ones in raid 6 | 18:02 |
| jrwren | i'd rather raid 6- 6TB in RAID6 | 18:02 |
| mrgoodcat | it has to do with the URE rate when rebuilding arrays after a drive failure | 18:03 |
| mrgoodcat | with a URE of 10^-14 you can expect a URE every 12.5TB or so | 18:05 |
| mrgoodcat | If you had a 8 drive array with 2 TB drives with one failure your chance of having a unrecoverable read error would be near 100%. That second unreadable block during a RAID5 recovery is enough to destroy the RAID group and wipe out all the data on it. Not good! | 18:06 |
| mrgoodcat | with 6 TB drives its even worse | 18:06 |
| mrgoodcat | granted, enterprise class drives have much lower URE rates and RAID 6 can mitigate the issue, but it's still an issue | 18:08 |
| mrgoodcat | one to be aware of anyways | 18:08 |
| jrwren | nonsense. | 18:10 |
| jrwren | given that argument we should always prefer the smallest drives. | 18:11 |
| jrwren | we don't. | 18:11 |
| jrwren | we weigh pros and cons and make a choice. | 18:11 |
| mrgoodcat | this is an old article but it summarizes the issue nicely http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 | 18:14 |
| krondor | jrwren: not the consumer ones are out I mean. $299 from seagate | 18:22 |
| krondor | s/not/no/ | 18:23 |
| krondor | mrgoodcat, nice points re: rebuilds still it's a risk/performance/cost calculation | 18:28 |
| krondor | personally I'd like to devote less power and space to spinning disks if I can so >disks are a good thing re: raid6 or 10 | 18:28 |
| jrwren | yeah, blah to all that. | 18:29 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 18:29 |
| jrwren | give me my storage :) | 18:29 |
| krondor | haha give me stable btrfs raid6 too :) | 18:31 |
| mrgoodcat | RAID 5 is dead and RAID 6 is on the way out | 18:31 |
| mrgoodcat | wont be long until replication is the only way to go | 18:31 |
| jrwren | whatever that means. | 18:31 |
| jrwren | ceph disks FTW! | 18:31 |
| krondor | raid 0 only and n+1 systems, don't rebuild just reload | 18:32 |
| jrwren | Seagate® Kinetic Open Storage !!!! | 18:32 |
| mrgoodcat | what krondor said | 18:32 |
| mrgoodcat | Google already does that | 18:32 |
| jrwren | i'd wager google doesn't use anything like RAID | 18:32 |
| jrwren | no raid0, no raid1 | 18:32 |
| mrgoodcat | nope | 18:32 |
| mrgoodcat | they use Google File System | 18:32 |
| jrwren | no, they don't use that anymore either. | 18:33 |
| jrwren | that is obsolete | 18:33 |
| krondor | ramfs all the things | 18:33 |
| mrgoodcat | which replicates everything 3 times. they don't try to rebuild arrays, they just toss the whole thing and reload the data | 18:33 |
| jrwren | see the Spanner paper. | 18:33 |
| jrwren | sure, cept those systems aren't filesystems which run on block store. | 18:33 |
| jrwren | they are database systems which run on disks with ufs-style filesystems | 18:34 |
| jrwren | so... XFS and ext[234] | 18:34 |
| mrgoodcat | sorry, colossus or whatever they're calling it these days | 18:34 |
| jrwren | colossus is different still. | 18:34 |
| jrwren | they do LOTS of things | 18:34 |
| jrwren | becuase there is no silver bullet | 18:34 |
| jrwren | use what is optimal given your workload | 18:35 |
| krondor | so at my house where n+1 systems and raid 0 aren't practical, raid 6 + big disks seems good :) | 18:35 |
| jrwren | i just want lots of storage for lots of media :) | 18:40 |
| mrgoodcat | so you may as well just raid0 and be done with it | 18:49 |
| jrwren | i do. | 18:52 |
| jrwren | home is different than work | 18:53 |
| jrwren | and varying workload need varying storage solutions | 18:53 |
| cmaloney | I'd love to know why I had Blind Melon's No Rain in my music library | 19:11 |
| cmaloney | it was part of a compilation so I know where it came from | 19:11 |
| cmaloney | I'm just not sure why I left it on the drive | 19:12 |
| cmaloney | since that song sends me into a rage unlike most songs | 19:12 |
| cmaloney | also: I married well when my wife starts quoting primus songs to me. :) | 19:14 |
| mrgoodcat | lol why hate blind melon? | 19:17 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I fucking hate that song | 19:18 |
| cmaloney | a) overplayed | 19:18 |
| cmaloney | b) a reminder of the whiny grunge period that I can't fucking stand | 19:18 |
| mrgoodcat | just that one song? or blind melon in general? | 19:19 |
| mrgoodcat | also, never really thought of blind melon as very "grunge" | 19:19 |
| cmaloney | I haven't heard anything else by that band and I don't care to | 19:19 |
| brousch | Blind Melon r0x | 19:19 |
| cmaloney | They're in the same category for me as Hootie and the Blowfish | 19:19 |
| brousch | Hootie r0x | 19:20 |
| cmaloney | ops pls | 19:20 |
| cmaloney | /permaban brousch | 19:20 |
| cmaloney | I have never heard a more bland album in my life than Hootie and the Blowfish's album | 19:21 |
| cmaloney | Sounds like cows grazing in a field | 19:21 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 19:21 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 19:21 |
| cmaloney | Ah, apparently we lost our bot. | 19:22 |
| mrgoodcat | D: | 19:22 |
| cmaloney | Well now I have no way to let you all know I'm listening to Jane's Addiction | 19:23 |
| cmaloney | oh, wait. | 19:23 |
| mrgoodcat | .np squeekyhoho | 19:23 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - Disconnect by Rollins Band on Weight | 19:23 |
| mrgoodcat | i got you | 19:23 |
| mrgoodcat | and you lied to us | 19:23 |
| cmaloney | It just changed. | 19:24 |
| cmaloney | http://www.last.fm/user/squeekyhoho | 19:24 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/D6yTS6 - squeekyhoho’s Music Profile – Users at Last.fm | 19:24 |
| mrgoodcat | i believe you | 19:24 |
| jrwren | .np evarlast | 19:25 |
| bookiebot | evarlast's last track - Take As Normal by The Invincible Spirit on Anthology 1984-2004 [8 Jul 2014, 21:12] | 19:25 |
| jrwren | well THAT is false | 19:25 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 19:29 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - Black Flowers by Fishbone on Give A Monkey A Brain And He'll Swear He's The Center Of The Universe | 19:29 |
| jrwren | .np evarlast | 19:30 |
| bookiebot | evarlast's current track - Social Distortion (Reclubbed Mix) by Rotersand | 19:30 |
| * cmaloney just found the album he's going to finish listening to | 19:30 | |
| * cmaloney wants to see the Fishbone documentary | 19:30 | |
| cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChXk4R0mGNw | 19:30 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/4EPr1e - "EVERYDAY SUNSHINE: THE STORY OF FISHBONE" - documentary trailer - YouTube | 19:31 |
| krondor | so cmaloney has listened to an entire hootie album but not blind melon? priorities man | 19:31 |
| mrgoodcat | i like to blow my friends minds when i tell them Darius Rucker is the guy from Hootie and the Blowfish | 19:33 |
| cmaloney | krondor: Happened upon a copy of Cracked Rear Window and gave it a quick listen | 19:36 |
| cmaloney | and wondered why the hell I was doing this to myself. | 19:36 |
| * krondor needs to remember to leave Blind Melon - Blind Melon nonchalantly at CHC some day | 19:37 | |
| cmaloney | krondor: Not if you want to live. | 19:37 |
| krondor | allmusic gives it a 4/5 and users 4.5/5 ratings, but unfortunately they also give cracked rear window a 4.5/5 and users give it a 4/5 | 19:39 |
| krondor | so I wouldn't call it a good source ... | 19:39 |
| mrgoodcat | krondor: do i know you irl? | 19:40 |
| mrgoodcat | having trouble matching faces to fake names | 19:40 |
| rick_h__ | mrgoodcat: he's been to CHC, and coming tonight right krondor? | 19:40 |
| mrgoodcat | krondor: were you the one there last week? | 19:41 |
| krondor | rick_h__ I think so, the boys are at a fair so if they don't make it back in time I might not be able to though | 19:41 |
| rick_h__ | krondor: ah ok | 19:41 |
| rick_h__ | krondor: give me a heads up one way or the other so I know if I should wait | 19:42 |
| krondor | mrgoodcat: not last week, but I think I met you a month ago or so, we exchange IRC handles at any rate | 19:42 |
| krondor | exchanged that is, I hate laptop keyboards or at least this one | 19:42 |
| mrgoodcat | probably | 19:42 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm terrible at these things | 19:43 |
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