[00:00] <gamerchick02> oooo jrwren, how's it running?
[00:00] <gamerchick02> it was a hair slow off the stick
[00:00] <jrwren> insanely nice.
[00:01] <jrwren> 6s boot to login prompt
[00:01] <gamerchick02> whoa
[00:01] <gamerchick02> how's the battery?
[00:01] <gamerchick02> i'm getting over 4 hrs with OSX but it's down to about 3 with ubuntu
[00:01] <jrwren> and this past hour has been more time than I've spent with unity, every. its really nice.
[00:01] <gamerchick02> but that might be something to do with the USB stick
[00:01] <jrwren> says 5hrs.
[00:01] <gamerchick02> nice
[00:02] <jrwren> i don't know when unity added the help when you hold super down for a long time, but that is just excellent.
[00:02] <gamerchick02> nice
[00:03] <gamerchick02> now the question... what if you want to go back to OSX?
[00:03] <gamerchick02> unless you dual booted
[00:03] <jrwren> i dual booted.
[00:03] <gamerchick02> i only have a 128 gb SSD so it's not really possible. if i'd gotten a larger drive i might dual boot
[00:03] <jrwren> and installed refit too.
[00:03] <gamerchick02> nice
[00:03] <jrwren> yeah, I have 512
[00:03] <gamerchick02> yeah. way better
[00:04] <gamerchick02> maybe when my mac goes off update support i'll ubuntu it up
[00:04] <jrwren> i bought the highest macbookair I could get, because the only thing I didn't want, was online store only.
[00:04] <gamerchick02> dang
[00:04] <jrwren> hey, its for work.
[00:04] <jrwren> a worker should use the best tools money can buy :)
[00:05] <gamerchick02> i got what i thought was a good deal in Portland: 128 gb, 4 gb RAM, 11" screen, case, for a hair over $1200
[00:05] <gamerchick02> offing case was like $50. just for a soft zip case. oh well
[00:05] <gamerchick02> *effing. i can't even fake curse properly
[00:05] <jrwren> sounds like a normal price for that now.
[00:06] <jrwren> yeah, cases are expensive.
[00:06] <jrwren> i stole my wife's old spire bag years ago.
[00:06] <gamerchick02> nice
[00:06] <gamerchick02> well i figure if i have a form fitting case i can put it in whatever bag i want
[00:06] <jrwren> she used to carry a tiny toshiba portige in it
[00:06] <jrwren> yup, truth.
[00:06] <gamerchick02> and i'm being bad and not going to mug tonight
[00:06] <gamerchick02> i should
[00:07] <jrwren> ah, me too.
[00:07] <jrwren> i should have gone.
[00:07] <jrwren> so THAT is where the chatters are :)
[00:07] <jrwren> i need to learn lots about go-lang
[00:07] <gamerchick02> LOL
[00:07] <gamerchick02> go-lang?
[00:08] <jrwren> that is the mug topic for tonight
[00:08] <gamerchick02> http://ukutabs.com/t/the-white-stripes/hotel-yorba/ i wanna learn that really well. i should listen to the song more so i can figure out the stemming pattern
[00:08] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ojSYS5 - "Hotel Yorba" by The White Stripes Ukulele Tabs on UkuTabs
[00:08] <jrwren> great song.
[00:08] <gamerchick02> i know!
[00:08] <jrwren> ever drive by there?
[00:09] <gamerchick02> no i've not
[00:09] <gamerchick02> and C-D-G so it's not too hard!
[00:09] <jrwren> head south in i75 out of detroit. it isn't very far down the road
[00:09] <gamerchick02> cool
[00:09] <gamerchick02> i should.
[00:09] <jrwren> i've never been in there. I kinda wanna check out the lobby while listening to the song :)
[00:10] <gamerchick02> that'd be way cool
[00:10] <gamerchick02> i'm happy that your install went well
[00:11] <gamerchick02> i forgot that i had a 16 gb thumb drive so i'll redo the ubuntu install to it so i have more room
[00:26] <gamerchick02> gonna lay on the couch. feeling icky. hope more people are in chat tomorrow! well, maybe not, since it's coffeehouse coders.
[00:57] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: glad i'm not the only person who likes unity
[01:26] <jrwren> i like it a lot, I only wish there was a way to shrink the chrome.
[03:32] <cmaloney> Evening
[03:32] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, you should have come to MUG. :)
[05:59] <waldo323> GO language video will be available soon though for those that missed it
[11:26] <jrwren> i'm going to watch teh video
[11:26] <jrwren> i was honestly distracted with work up through when mug started :)
[11:29] <rick_h__> morning
[11:37] <jrwren> morning
[12:24] <mrgoodcat> i want to see that one too
[12:24] <mrgoodcat> i think i'm going to go back and watch some of those videos on the MUG g+ today
[12:45] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:47] <brousch> So far
[12:51] <waf> i've already lived through it, i can assure you it will be a good morning.
[12:52] <jrwren> waf: lol!
[12:52] <jrwren> waf: how's winter?
[12:53] <waf> it's a balmy 84 degrees! quite nice
[12:54] <rick_h__> waf: woot! how goes?
[12:54] <waf> pretty good. arrived in Thailand this past saturday, so this week is full of apartment hunting
[12:55] <jrwren> i just realized all the world cup games have been played in winter.
[12:55] <waf> i should be able to move in to an apartment sometimes next week.
[12:55] <jrwren> oh Thailand. it isn't winter there.
[12:55] <jrwren> my brain is broken. I was thinking you were in AU.
[12:56] <waf> ah, yeah, that was a potential plan if the political instability in Thailand was an issue
[12:56] <waf> but things are fine here
[13:02] <brousch> Why would you move to Thailand?
[13:02] <jrwren> for work.
[13:02] <jrwren> plus, its awesome.
[13:03] <waf> yeah, jrwren summed it up. i had an internship i really liked, and my boss during that internship asked if i wanted to join him at his company in thailand.
[13:05] <brousch> What is awesome about it?
[13:05] <brousch> I honestly know nothing about Thailand
[13:07] <waf> the weather is awesome (tad on the hot side, but there's zero snow), the people are super friendly, stunning beaches.
[13:07] <waf> everything is very inexpensive, which is great if you're on a western salary
[13:08] <waf> and bangkok is a modern city with all the niceties you'd expect.
[13:08] <brousch> Do most people speak English?
[13:09] <waf> in bangkok most people speak some english (at a first-grade level or so). all the street signs and such have english
[13:10] <waf> though i'm learning thai, because it's more fun that way
[13:12] <brousch> That's not bad
[13:13] <waf> nope
[13:16] <brousch> It sounds like a great life opportunity. I'm jealous
[13:17] <jrwren> brousch: massage parlors
[13:17] <waf> yeah, i may be insane for doing this, but it's not really a thing i'd want to pass up
[13:17] <jrwren> massage parlors are awesome about it :p
[13:18] <waf> seriously. there are parlors every 100 feet or so. not sure how many of them are legit
[13:18] <rick_h__> 10
[13:19] <rick_h__> my uncle-in-law was camping with us over the 4th. He was in thailand during the unrest. He says it was actually a good thing. Nice curfew for the students, guess he thinks it'll be good for the country as a whole, etc.
[13:19] <rick_h__> he's been going there for education related stuff for some 30 years
[13:19] <jrwren> waf: remember advise of Jimmy Dugan
[13:20] <brousch> waf: Definitely not insane
[13:26] <waf> rick_h__: nice, does he teach english? seems like that's what 90% of foreigners here do.
[13:26] <rick_h__> waf: I didn't get that. He is in a MN college and seems to go over there 3 or 4 times a year.
[13:26] <rick_h__> guess he's been doing it for a long long time
[13:27] <brousch> Does he teach English in the massage parlors?
[13:28] <rick_h__> I'll ask him next time I see him I guess
[13:28] <rick_h__> :)
[13:28] <brousch> That could get uncomfortable
[13:28] <jrwren> lol
[14:16] <mrgoodcat> gah
[14:16] <mrgoodcat> i keep trying to use my i3 shortcuts in unity
[15:07] <cmaloney> There's a special ring of hell for fucking smart quotes.
[15:07] <cmaloney> also: I hereby dub smart-quotes with a new name: fuckquotes.
[15:08] <brousch> shitquotes
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> not even sure what you're talking about
[15:10] <cmaloney> Even better: I'm trying to find these fuckers in a .csv file in a field where a customer wrote a tome of hate.
[15:10] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Oh, you will... .You will...
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> lol
[15:11] <jrwren> smartquotes are like m4 `quotes', right?
[15:11] <mrgoodcat> oh are you talking about quotes where it's not just a regular quote character?
[15:11] <mrgoodcat> but the curly one
[15:11] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: yes
[15:11] <mrgoodcat> yea those suck
[15:11] <mrgoodcat> find and replace all
[15:11] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I'd rather use asciidammit
[15:11] <cmaloney> but NOOOOOOo
[15:12] <cmaloney> Also: it's in unicode-16
[15:12] <cmaloney> so that brings its own hell along with it
[15:12] <cmaloney> such as: The version of CentOS is archaic enough to have vim 7.0 which knows not of Unicode-16
[15:13] <cmaloney> I really fucking hate CentOS.
[15:13] <cmaloney> (as a developer. As a sysadmin I liked it)
[15:13] <brousch> CentOS, or Red Hat?
[15:13] <cmaloney> CentOS
[15:13] <brousch> So Red Hat is OK?
[15:14] <cmaloney> brousch: I have no direct experience
[16:06] <krondor> CentOS is redhat now, or at least that's how I saw it
[16:28] <waldo323> I was happy when I heard that even though we don't use it much
[16:31] <cmaloney> grrr... Hate it when a long-running process craps out because I have a typo
[16:39] <krondor> waldo323: yeah it just means better support.  We have a lot of centos and redhat, but most of my systems aren't.
[16:42] <rick_h__> it's a path for RH to keep a RH that's disinct from the paid for supported RH
[16:42] <rick_h__> IMO :)
[16:44] <krondor> it looks to me like redhat == debian, centos == debian unstable, fedora == ubuntu more or less
[16:48] <krondor> also centos gives redhat a starting point to upsell support, where they would have missed out in the past
[16:48] <rick_h__> well they figured out fedora wasn't the onramp to RHE but centos was
[17:49] <krondor> wow when did 6TB HDDs come out?
[17:50] <waldo323> When I wasn't looking
[17:51] <krondor> and I felt like HDD increases were slowing with SSD acceptance guess not
[18:01] <jrwren> a while, ago, IIRC they are enterprise class only
[18:01] <jrwren> and very $$$
[18:02] <mrgoodcat> super big hard drives are a bad idea anyways...
[18:02] <jrwren> why?
[18:02] <mrgoodcat> i'd rather RAID together a few smaller ones in raid 6
[18:02] <jrwren> i'd rather raid 6- 6TB in RAID6
[18:03] <mrgoodcat> it has to do with the URE rate when rebuilding arrays after a drive failure
[18:05] <mrgoodcat> with a URE of 10^-14 you can expect a URE every 12.5TB or so
[18:06] <mrgoodcat> If you had a 8 drive array with 2 TB drives with one failure your chance of having a unrecoverable read error would be near 100%. That second unreadable block during a RAID5 recovery is enough to destroy the RAID group and wipe out all the data on it. Not good!
[18:06] <mrgoodcat> with 6 TB drives its even worse
[18:08] <mrgoodcat> granted, enterprise class drives have much lower URE rates and RAID 6 can mitigate the issue, but it's still an issue
[18:08] <mrgoodcat> one to be aware of anyways
[18:10] <jrwren> nonsense.
[18:11] <jrwren> given that argument we should always prefer the smallest drives.
[18:11] <jrwren> we don't.
[18:11] <jrwren> we weigh pros and cons and make a choice.
[18:14] <mrgoodcat> this is an old article but it summarizes the issue nicely http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162
[18:22] <krondor> jrwren:  not the consumer ones are out I mean.  $299 from seagate
[18:23] <krondor> s/not/no/
[18:28] <krondor> mrgoodcat, nice points re: rebuilds still it's a risk/performance/cost calculation
[18:28] <krondor> personally I'd like to devote less power and space to spinning disks if I can so >disks are a good thing re: raid6 or 10
[18:29] <jrwren> yeah, blah to all that.
[18:29] <rick_h__> lol
[18:29] <jrwren> give me my storage :)
[18:31] <krondor> haha give me stable btrfs raid6 too :)
[18:31] <mrgoodcat> RAID 5 is dead and RAID 6 is on the way out
[18:31] <mrgoodcat> wont be long until replication is the only way to go
[18:31] <jrwren> whatever that means.
[18:31] <jrwren> ceph disks FTW!
[18:32] <krondor> raid 0 only and n+1 systems, don't rebuild just reload
[18:32] <jrwren> Seagate® Kinetic Open Storage !!!!
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> what krondor said
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> Google already does that
[18:32] <jrwren> i'd wager google doesn't use anything like RAID
[18:32] <jrwren> no raid0, no raid1
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> nope
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> they use Google File System
[18:33] <jrwren> no, they don't use that anymore either.
[18:33] <jrwren> that is obsolete
[18:33] <krondor> ramfs all the things
[18:33] <mrgoodcat> which replicates everything 3 times. they don't try to rebuild arrays, they just toss the whole thing and reload the data
[18:33] <jrwren> see the Spanner paper.
[18:33] <jrwren> sure, cept those systems aren't filesystems which run on block store.
[18:34] <jrwren> they are database systems which run on disks with ufs-style filesystems
[18:34] <jrwren> so... XFS and ext[234]
[18:34] <mrgoodcat> sorry, colossus or whatever they're calling it these days
[18:34] <jrwren> colossus is different still.
[18:34] <jrwren> they do LOTS of things
[18:34] <jrwren> becuase there is no silver bullet
[18:35] <jrwren> use what is optimal given your workload
[18:35] <krondor> so at my house where n+1 systems and raid 0 aren't practical, raid 6 + big disks seems good :)
[18:40] <jrwren> i just want lots of storage for lots of media :)
[18:49] <mrgoodcat> so you may as well just raid0 and be done with it
[18:52] <jrwren> i do.
[18:53] <jrwren> home is different than work
[18:53] <jrwren> and varying workload need varying storage solutions
[19:11] <cmaloney> I'd love to know why I had Blind Melon's No Rain in my music library
[19:11] <cmaloney> it was part of a compilation so I know where it came from
[19:12] <cmaloney> I'm just not sure why I left it on the drive
[19:12] <cmaloney> since that song sends me into a rage unlike most songs
[19:14] <cmaloney> also: I married well when my wife starts quoting primus songs to me. :)
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> lol why hate blind melon?
[19:18] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I fucking hate that song
[19:18] <cmaloney> a) overplayed
[19:18] <cmaloney> b) a reminder of the whiny grunge period that I can't fucking stand
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> just that one song? or blind melon in general?
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> also, never really thought of blind melon as very "grunge"
[19:19] <cmaloney> I haven't heard anything else by that band and I don't care to
[19:19] <brousch> Blind Melon r0x
[19:19] <cmaloney> They're in the same category for me as Hootie and the Blowfish
[19:20] <brousch> Hootie r0x
[19:20] <cmaloney> ops pls
[19:20] <cmaloney>  /permaban brousch
[19:21] <cmaloney> I have never heard a more bland album in my life than Hootie and the Blowfish's album
[19:21] <cmaloney> Sounds like cows grazing in a field
[19:21] <mrgoodcat> lol
[19:21] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[19:22] <cmaloney> Ah, apparently we lost our bot.
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> D:
[19:23] <cmaloney> Well now I have no way to let you all know I'm listening to Jane's Addiction
[19:23] <cmaloney> oh, wait.
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> .np squeekyhoho
[19:23] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Disconnect by Rollins Band on Weight
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> i got you
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> and you lied to us
[19:24] <cmaloney> It just changed.
[19:24] <cmaloney> http://www.last.fm/user/squeekyhoho
[19:24] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/D6yTS6 - squeekyhoho’s Music Profile – Users at Last.fm
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> i believe you
[19:25] <jrwren> .np evarlast
[19:25] <bookiebot> evarlast's last track - Take As Normal by The Invincible Spirit on Anthology 1984-2004 [8 Jul 2014, 21:12]
[19:25] <jrwren> well THAT is false
[19:29] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[19:29] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Black Flowers by Fishbone on Give A Monkey A Brain And He'll Swear He's The Center Of The Universe
[19:30] <jrwren> .np evarlast
[19:30] <bookiebot> evarlast's current track - Social Distortion (Reclubbed Mix) by Rotersand
[19:30]  * cmaloney just found the album he's going to finish listening to
[19:30]  * cmaloney wants to see the Fishbone documentary
[19:30] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChXk4R0mGNw
[19:31] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/4EPr1e - "EVERYDAY SUNSHINE: THE STORY OF FISHBONE" - documentary trailer - YouTube
[19:31] <krondor> so cmaloney has listened to an entire hootie album but not blind melon?  priorities man
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> i like to blow my friends minds when i tell them Darius Rucker is the guy from Hootie and the Blowfish
[19:36] <cmaloney> krondor: Happened upon a copy of Cracked Rear Window and gave it a quick listen
[19:36] <cmaloney> and wondered why the hell I was doing this to myself.
[19:37]  * krondor needs to remember to leave Blind Melon - Blind Melon nonchalantly at CHC some day
[19:37] <cmaloney> krondor: Not if you want to live.
[19:39] <krondor> allmusic gives it a 4/5 and users 4.5/5 ratings, but unfortunately they also give cracked rear window a 4.5/5 and users give it a 4/5
[19:39] <krondor> so I wouldn't call it a good source ...
[19:40] <mrgoodcat> krondor: do i know you irl?
[19:40] <mrgoodcat> having trouble matching faces to fake names
[19:40] <rick_h__> mrgoodcat: he's been to CHC, and coming tonight right krondor?
[19:41] <mrgoodcat> krondor: were you the one there last week?
[19:41] <krondor> rick_h__ I think so, the boys are at a fair so if they don't make it back in time I might not be able to though
[19:41] <rick_h__> krondor: ah ok
[19:42] <rick_h__> krondor: give me a heads up one way or the other so I know if I should wait
[19:42] <krondor> mrgoodcat:  not last week, but I think I met you a month ago or so, we exchange IRC handles at any rate
[19:42] <krondor> exchanged that is, I hate laptop keyboards or at least this one
[19:42] <mrgoodcat> probably
[19:43] <mrgoodcat> i'm terrible at these things