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diddledanhttps://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=glass_shale00:08
daftykinsgah can you screenshot? play store devices are blocked in the channel islands again00:09
daftykinsi'm too tired to proxy00:09
diddledanhttp://imgur.com/6BLymDa00:27
daftykinsty sir00:38
daftykinscor, cheap!00:38
MooDoomorning all05:49
mappsmorning05:59
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SuperMattmorning07:43
MooDoomorning SuperMatt07:43
SuperMattso I installed centos 7 on a box with centos 6 working flawlessly... my wifi didn't work07:44
MooDooSuperMatt: upgraded?07:44
SuperMattinstalled over the top07:44
SuperMattyou can't really "upgrade" yet07:44
MooDooSuperMatt: I know that's why I asked, thought they might have released the upgrade tools lol07:44
MooDooSuperMatt: did it work as I'm thinking of doing my server07:46
SuperMattwell, everything worked except my wifi07:46
SuperMattand the nuveau drivers were pitifully slow07:46
MooDoowell i don't use wifi and it's a headless server so not bother about that07:47
SuperMattwell then, it should be fine07:48
SuperMattthere is an epel beta release07:48
MooDooyeah that's what I use currently.  I might wait for the point release though, it's all sooooo new :D  If I had the hardware i'd have a new machine but I don't lol07:49
* SuperMatt checks if rackers have pulled their finger out and pushed IUS 707:50
SuperMattnope07:50
SuperMattbloomin rackers!07:50
SuperMattcan't trust them to do anything07:50
SuperMattalso: I'm allowed to say that07:51
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foobarrywhich wifi card SuperMatt08:41
foobarrywifiex kickstarter has gone08:44
popeyhah08:45
foobarrywill i get my money back?08:45
popeywonder if they got their money08:45
foobarrymy money stayed in my wallet for meaningless vapourware product08:46
SuperMattfoobarry: no idea08:46
foobarryi remember somebody tried selling ubuntu on a usb stick for money, and people bought it because it was a kickstarter08:46
SuperMatt>.<08:46
SuperMattI wouldn't mind if canonical tried to kickstart a usb stick program for 1) getting usb sticks to normal users and 2) using the rest of the money to get it out to other countries with poor internet08:47
popeywell, it was a tiny bit more than that08:47
popeyand even then they messed up08:48
popeyhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/750308586/stormfly-like-a-pc-on-your-wrist08:48
bashrcusb boot drive becomes wristband08:52
awilkins"If you reformat your StormFly completely you will lose the OS installed on it and all the magic of StormFly. "08:53
awilkinsIn other words ; it's a standard USB drive with some software on it.08:53
bashrcwoohoo08:54
foobarryWe're sorry but for now the StormFly Store is closed. You can however still purchase StormFly at Amazon by clicking here08:54
foobarryamazon shows nothing08:54
awilkinsI used to do this with my USB drives08:54
bashrcI like things that are wearable though.  There's a certain amount of unused realestate on my wrists08:54
awilkinsActually install the OS on a partition rather than just doing the FAT32 thing08:54
foobarryfor $59 :-|08:54
awilkinsThe trick is that Windows in particular only wants to read the first partition on a removable USB08:55
awilkinsThat is marked as a thumb drive08:55
awilkinsSo if you have a shared FAT32 partition you put it on as the first partition and you're golden08:55
foobarrypopey: did stomrfly ever become a product?08:56
awilkinsIt got the successful backing of $120k08:56
popeyyes08:56
popeythey sent them out08:56
popeybut the far east company that made them, cut corners making the things very unreliable08:57
popeyso they had to replace a lot of them08:57
popeyi suspect this burned through their cash.08:57
popeyThe fact that they had a backup tool on the device which backed up to "the cloud" which is probably now shut down - is going to be annoying for anyone who did get one08:58
foobarryhalf baked08:58
awilkinsI think that $19.99 a year for the backup service was probably part of their business plan. Along with overcharging for USB storage, of course.08:59
MooDoohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28237108 - terrible09:00
awilkinsHmm, yes, they wouldn't want to have to keep asking the NSA for that data, would they...09:01
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Don’t Step On A Bee Day! :-D09:01
Laneythat's every day :(09:01
popeyis there a "Step on a bee day"?09:02
bashrcalternatively you could just carry a USB drive in your pocket09:03
awilkinsI have several in my bag09:04
awilkinsI think I carry around about 128GB of removable flash09:04
bashrcemergency storage law? Can't they just get wristbands?09:04
awilkinsIt's just an excuse for the ISPs who are now stuck between the legal rock and the hard place - EU law says they should delete that data09:05
foobarryi wore a hole in my pocket because of usb keys09:05
bashrcso what's hte emergency between now and 2016?09:06
awilkinsSo they now have an excuse to dither. What big ISP wants to incur the wrath of government by not being able to service their warrants?09:06
awilkinsThe emergency is that with the EU having made it illegal that the ISPs might delete their historic data to be compliant with that law.09:06
awilkinsWe can't have that! We'd have to ask the NSA for their "metadata"!09:06
awilkinsArrgh, emacs stole my file association for shell scripts09:09
foobarryhow 90s.09:09
bashrcyou mean that you don't live in emacs?09:09
awilkinsI only installed it to try out Org Mode09:09
bashrcI use org mode all the time09:09
bashrcand org agenda09:10
awilkinsDoes it grow on you? So far my opinion that it's not worth the pain of using Emacs09:10
bashrcI think org mode is about the fastest way I've seen to take notes and organise tasks09:11
bashrcit makes messing around with markdown look cumbersome09:11
awilkinsI've been using FreeMind for organizing things09:11
* awilkins wonders if vim-orgmode works well09:12
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* bashrc wonders if there is a mind mapping mode in emacs09:19
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:24
bashrcmorning09:25
brobostigonmorning bashrc09:25
MooDoohay brobostigon bashrc :D09:26
DJonesMorning and here's one for cat lovers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr39jPapmBU How on earth do you get so many cats to sit in one place like that09:26
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brobostigonhey MooDoo :)09:30
dwatkinsdaftykins: I never did take up the noise issues with the downstairs guy, no - I knocked on the door once, but he didn't answer (he did stop talking loudly to the radio at that point, though)09:33
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* awilkins now has org-mode for Vim and has no idea what to do with it09:42
awilkinsYay!09:42
dwatkinstask management? neat09:43
dwatkinsI use hnb sometimes for that.09:44
dwatkinshttp://hnb.sourceforge.net/09:44
awilkinsI usually use FreeMind / Redmine09:44
awilkinsAn org exporter for Redmine would probably be super awesome09:44
awilkinsIf I had a handle on how  to use org mode09:44
dwatkinsShouldn't be too difficult in these days of XML...09:45
awilkinsOh, no, probably not09:45
dwatkinsAm I being too optimistic? ;)09:45
awilkinsAlready wrote a thing to upload redmine tickets in bulk in about 50 lines of Python09:45
* foobarry does a redmine dance09:45
awilkinsWrote a routine that eats files as record-jar and presents them as a list of dict09:45
awilkinsThen just a quick thing that maps each dict to a new issue using one of the lovely Redmine API libraries09:46
awilkinsMakes for much easier management of hyuuuuge lists of user stories into tickets09:46
awilkinsEspecially when you end up editing them iteratively a lot before you upload them09:47
MooDoo:)10:42
Laneyooh, new toys10:57
Laneyheat gun, infrared thermometer10:57
MooDooooo what you got?10:57
MooDoolol10:57
Laneyreplacing glass on phone10:58
Laneyneed to melt glue holding it on10:58
LaneyI did consider putting it under the grill ...10:58
popeynexus 4?11:02
Laneygalaxy s311:03
Laneythat kicks out a good bit of heat :D11:06
foobarrycan anyone help with grub2 not detecting centos6 install? supergrub2 cd does detect it11:09
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)11:17
bashrcmorning11:18
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bigcalmAm I missing much?11:20
davmor2bigcalm: Hey we were missing you11:20
davmor2bigcalm: no one to pick on, hurry back :D11:21
bigcalmChin11:21
bigcalmHa11:21
bigcalmHow was the LUG?11:23
davmor2bigcalm: so the government are being a menace and pushing through a law that lasts for year as an emergency measure for our safety, making phone companies track who you ring when11:26
davmor2oh and text and email11:26
foobarrybtw they will rtack your ip if you search for privacy software or use it11:26
bigcalmJust the meta data?11:27
davmor2bigcalm: well lets say yes11:27
bigcalmNot coil man11:27
bigcalmNot cool man11:27
bigcalmDamn autocorrelation on my phone11:28
bigcalmAuto correct11:28
foobarryoh no!! it's coil man!!! not coil man !!11:28
foobarryman , microsoft made me work had for that survey11:34
foobarryonly got a quid for it11:34
bashrcdavmor2: I recommend using Tor for most things. They may track your IP but are unlikely to know what you're reading11:38
foobarrytor de france11:39
davmor2bashrc: That kinda make you more suspicious though surely :)11:42
davmor2bashrc: they can read the stuff I look at they'll be bored before I am :)11:43
diddledanthe more people that use tor the less suspicious it looks12:18
MooDooi bet lots more will as soon as the bill is passed12:18
diddledanright now the NSA are classing anyone who goes to the tor project website as a potential adversary12:19
diddledanthat needs to change!12:19
MooDooit won't12:19
diddledanlikewise visitors to the linux foundation are also classed as criminals12:20
diddledanbecause why would you use linux if you're not a pervert?12:20
* awilkins is a Linux-using pervert and proud!12:24
awilkins(the two are orthogonal)12:24
diddledanyey for the tory government: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/no-emergency-stop-the-data-retention-stitch-up12:25
foobarrytories don't have a majority12:25
foobarryPrime Minister David Cameron has secured the backing of all three main parties for the highly unusual move.12:26
awilkinsJust the announcement has had the chilling effect they desire I bet... unless there are ISPs right now deleting their logs in response to the "if we don't pass this law quick, people might delete their logs"....12:27
awilkins"We deleted all those logs when the EU made it illegal to retain them. Oh, sorry, did you want access to them?"12:27
foobarryparty like its 198412:28
diddledanall previous 8 seasons of 24 are on sale at googley play-doh12:34
diddledan7.99 each12:34
MooDoopay?   for tv shows?12:34
foobarrythink i'll read the wikipedia page instead12:34
foobarrywatch? 8*24?12:34
awilkinsIsn't 24 on Netflix?12:34
MooDooyes12:34
awilkins£7.99 and binge watch all 8 seasons in a month12:35
awilkinsOh, ok, £5.9912:35
diddledanyah but netflix is at the whim of content licensors12:35
popeywhat non-authenticating website (other than anything big like amazon / google / ebay) could you not live without.. *catch* which has an API to access the content/features?12:35
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awilkinsTrue12:35
popey(by non-auth I mean you can use it without logging in)12:35
foobarrybug tracking ones12:36
awilkinsThey are selling box sets of Netflix original series!12:36
popeyooh! good call12:36
foobarrylaunchpad/redmine/trac/12:36
awilkinsFor box set prices! £18 a season12:36
foobarrybugzilla12:36
foobarryanother one is the tfl site12:36
foobarryfor journey data12:36
foobarryand train info12:36
popeygood one12:37
foobarrygreater anglia train etc12:37
awilkinsThey don't put "Netflix" anywhere on the box, probably because people would go.... "D'uh, I can have 3 months Netflix for the cost of this box set and watch a whole lot more than just Hemlock Grove.."12:37
popeyright, trains in general..12:37
foobarrystarted playing with redmine REST api12:37
awilkinsfoobarry, I started with the Ruby / ActiveRecord as an API wrapper but someone wrote a pretty nice Python one12:38
awilkinsRuby brings me out in hives12:38
foobarrycheese and chive12:39
foobarrythe best app i use is for bus travel data. really handy12:45
foobarryi remember a UUPC chat with a guy from southampton that was turning the whole campus into open data json accessible, and user created content (e.g. i vommed on this statue one night i was drunk)12:46
popeyhehe12:46
shauno_I Wish our busses had an api.  I screen-scrape it for a widget instead :/12:48
awilkinsThere's the Steam API. Which I don't use and can't live without, but someone did a thing that enumerates all your games and tells you how much money you would have spent if you bought them all today...12:50
awilkins.. and how long you spent playing them all12:51
awilkins*can live without12:51
popeyWheee, a380 is in the air12:55
popeyhttp://www.flightradar24.com/A380/3c7655312:55
awilkinsThat thing is rather sobering12:57
awilkinsLOTS of planes12:57
dwatkinsthat's a big bird12:57
MooDoowhat?12:57
dwatkinstwo planes are taking off from Edinburgh at the same time12:57
dwatkinsthe A380 airbus, MooDoo12:58
dwatkinsoh ok, one just landed and is taxiing12:58
MooDooah get ya lol13:01
diddledanthe a380 to skiathos is doing weird maneouvers13:03
diploheh i was watching that one diddledan13:03
diploI thought the 380's were for long distance ?13:03
popeyair show diddledan13:03
popeyits doing practice fly-pass of the airport13:04
popeyjust got some nice photos of it outside13:04
diddledanaah13:04
diddledanwhen is the show?13:04
diddledan(I might attend)13:04
diddledanI like the farnborough show13:04
dwatkinsperhaps it needs the loo13:05
popeynext week13:05
diddledangotcha13:05
popeywe get half price tickets, but will probably just watch from the garden ☻13:05
diddledanlol13:05
foobarrytraffic is better when you don't drive and just garden it13:08
diddledangoogle are on the spamhaus blocklist :-( http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=209.85.223.17613:08
diddledanwas..13:09
diddledanit's gone now13:09
diddledan8 minutes ago ?13:09
diploProActive action by Google :)13:12
popeythat thing is surprisingly quiet13:12
foobarryi have a revell model of a c17 globemaster. 1/144 scale. still massive13:19
foobarrydon't think i'll ever make it13:19
foobarryas seen in superman of steel13:20
popeysome fighter just went up13:23
davmor2popey: outside? You should be at work sunshine and none of this I was testing the camera app improvements ;)13:31
popeydammit, should have taken a pic of the a380 with my phone13:31
davmor2popey: you see how you don't think these things through properly ;)13:34
popeywell, my DSLR has zoom13:35
davmor2popey: pinch to zoom on the phone :P13:35
* diddledan pinches davmor2 13:35
dwatkinsthe pinch zoom on phone cameras tends to just crop out the surrounding image13:44
dwatkinsyou're better off fixing it in posty13:44
dwatkinspost, even13:44
popeyindeed13:44
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czajkowskipopey: which one do we normally go on http://www.realaletrail.net/13:51
popeyhttp://www.watercressline.co.uk/product.php/10/real-ale-train-r-a-t13:52
czajkowskiahhh13:55
czajkowskithat looks more familar13:55
czajkowskithank you13:55
popeynp13:56
czajkowskiwow many are already sold out13:56
czajkowskithat puts a pin in that bday present13:56
MooDooczajkowski: do you need one?14:08
mappshm14:17
diddledanmorigan mapps14:18
mappsso finally got my fibre ordered..only taken 5 weeks and 5 calls14:18
mappsbut14:18
mappsno idea when it's being activated ..he told me 'within 5 days' but 3 other opeatos told me 2-3 weeks on diff calls14:18
mappshe said they'd keep me updated..yea right!14:18
mappsand then insisted i get a new router..i got one 4 weeks ago when i first phoned for fibre14:18
mappsargh14:18
mappshey diddledan14:19
diddledanhe might have put you on openreach fasttrack provision because you've been waiting so long - it costs them more but keeps you happy14:19
mappsim on sku14:19
mappssky14:19
mappsand another annoyance today14:19
diddledanstill requires openreach IIRC14:19
mappspaid some money into barclays..and planned on transferring to my main HSBC ac later..well i cant14:20
diddledanI'm on sky and my modem is an OR modem14:20
mapps'to transfer to a new payee you need a pinsentry device.donnt have one order one now'14:20
mappswhy when i got the account dont they just send 1?14:20
czajkowskiMooDoo: well got himself monty python tickets but wnated to do something on the day of his bday14:20
MooDooczajkowski: so you're looking to go on the rat?14:21
MooDooczajkowski: the ubuntu rat that is14:22
MooDooczajkowski: due to me getting a new job, I can't make the rat, so if I can find my ticket lol it's in a secret place, you're more than welcome to it.14:23
czajkowskiMooDoo: oh what new job14:27
MooDooczajkowski: sys admin for the health store  windows/ubuntu/rhel14:28
davmor2MooDoo: oh get you mr fancy pants14:29
czajkowskilol14:31
czajkowskidavmor2: way with words dude14:31
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)15:17
diddledanmorning15:22
diddledanthere's a lad outside messing with the drain - atm I think he's got fed up and it just whacking it with something heavy15:23
diddledanis*15:23
bigcalm!rat | czajkowski15:24
lubotu3`czajkowski: rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/15:24
mappsmorning bigcalm15:24
mappslol diddledan15:24
bigcalmo/15:24
mappsugh15:25
mappstoo tired15:25
foobarryi caught a cold without cold symptoms that made me feel super tired and nauseous. a virus15:33
diddledanoh god, you're patient zero?!~15:38
diddledanpandemic that's decimated the population all because you didn't report sick?!15:39
diddledanoh wait, no, that was a movie15:40
diddledanignore me15:40
foobarryand my wife had it last week15:41
foobarryand my baby before that15:41
foobarrybaby got steadily more grumpy until one day was super happy15:46
diddledanoh dear, is the ubuntu-phone mailing list going to turn into a flamefest tonight?15:55
Myrttioooh, cookies.15:55
awilkinsWhy, has something crashed?15:56
diddledanawilkins: worse: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09001.html15:56
awilkinsNOT SOMETHING ANNOYING15:56
diddledanyeah, he's moaning about the source code comment which includes bible quotes15:57
diddledanI'm not entirely sure how it's a "threat to canonical"15:58
awilkinsHmm. Well, I don't think the quote adds any information to the header, which makes it redundant (even in the setting of it's original bible app - a grid control has no need of salvation)15:58
dwatkins♫ this is the house that funk built ♫15:58
awilkinsIt's unprofessional in the same vein that comments denigrating users with colourful language are.15:59
diddledanaye15:59
awilkinsIf I was taking merge requests I'd probably insist that both kinds of comment be removed15:59
awilkinsComments should rest lightly upon the shoulders of self-explanatory code16:00
dwatkinsCan we quote from the church of the flying spaghetti monster for balance?16:00
diddledandwatkins: most defferably16:00
awilkinsAnyway, quoting from the Bible is a copyright violation16:00
diddledanoh dear, I sound like my daddy16:01
dwatkinsmaybe also from the menu of Frankie & Benny's, just for something a bit different.16:01
diddledanwho's copyright>?16:01
dwatkinswhose?16:01
awilkinsAnd Bible publishers, believe it or not, are utter demons about that16:01
diddledanyeah, them too16:01
awilkinsDepends on the edition16:01
dwatkinssomeone told me that the most published publication ever was the IKEA catalogue.16:01
diddledanso quote from king-james which has no copyright:?16:01
awilkinsBut a lot of the more modern ones have been translated recently and are thus in copyright16:01
dwatkinsnot sure it qualifies, at it changes all the time, then again, there are different editions of the bible.16:01
awilkinsYou might think that they retranslated them just so they could copyright the text again. I couldn't possibly comment.16:02
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awilkinsIf for example that's from the NIV, that is definitely in copyright and they are most zealous about pursuing infringers16:02
dwatkinsreally? wow16:02
awilkinsKJV is obviously fair game16:02
awilkinsBut still irrelevant to the actual source code16:03
dwatkins"here, have a lawsuit for posting something your $DIETY said"16:03
dwatkins"you're quoting the devil from the old testament? go right ahead"16:03
awilkinsReligious publishing houses are big business16:03
diddledandwatkins: APIs are copyright too, so $DEITY isn't allowed either16:03
dwatkinsToday I learned :)16:03
diddledansilly oracle vs google16:04
* awilkins was married to an evangelist for 15 years and knows a thing or two about religious publishing and their copyright habits16:04
dwatkinsI went out with a catholic once.16:04
diddledanlol16:04
dwatkinsfor about 4 years16:05
diddledanI saw a church16:05
dwatkinsit was, however, a long time ago.16:05
dwatkinsoh, I used to go to church, but only until I was 17.16:05
diddledanit had pretty spikes and all sorts16:05
diddledan(obviously a CofE church)16:05
diddledanI love the architechture of our old c of e churches16:06
awilkinsI admire the work that went into them16:06
dwatkinsyeah, I'm going to be singing in a choir which meets in a church soon hopefully, but it'll be secular music, not churchy stuff we'll be singing16:06
awilkinsI deplore the resources and hard work that could have been used for a grain silo or something else more useful16:07
dwatkinsthere's a chapel near here with an uncertain history, as the records wer largely burned (Roslyn)16:07
davmor2diddledan: it's the Cathedrals that never cease to amaze me16:07
awilkinsRoslyn? Not being a bit Dan Brown, are we?16:07
awilkinsThe religious dudes have their own equivalent of the PRS and everything for hymns.16:08
awilkinsThey have to assidiously record which hymns they sing so as to pay the right royalties16:09
dwatkinsawilkins: a bit Dan Brown in which sense? I just mean that the tour explains they don't know the meaning of the placement of certain statues etc.16:09
dwatkinsperhaps they were being a bit Dan Brown, though, yes16:09
awilkinsRoslyn = Rose Line = to do with the grail legends16:10
dwatkinscool, I'd best go see it again and check for evidence of water cups16:10
dwatkinsanyhoo, it's hometime for me, toodles!16:11
MissDreameeAnyone here uses multiple distros?16:13
diddledanhow is 9:30 am EDT the same as 12:30pm PDT?16:14
diddledansurely that's backasswards?16:14
diddledanI thought east had sun-up before the specific16:14
awilkinsThat is backwards16:15
awilkinsIt's 0915 PDT and 1215EDT right now16:15
diddledanthat's what I thunked16:15
diddledanamazon can't tell the time then16:15
MissDreameeIt is backwards16:16
MissDreameeI think EDT is UTC -4 and PDT UTC -716:16
diddledanI can't work out when this keynote is/was16:17
diddledanit says it's either 930am EDT/ 6:30am PDT OR 930am EDT/1230pm PDT16:18
diddledanhave I missed it? or is it happening in 10 minutes time?16:19
diddledanthe link takes me to a page that says "thank you for watching. the video will be uploaded to youtube shortly"16:19
shauno_diddledan: go back to sleep?  it'll be "was" when you wake up :)16:55
diddledanthat sounds like a good idea16:58
diddledansleep is always a good idea16:58
daftykinsunless you just woke up16:59
daftykinsthen it's very bad16:59
shauno_it's usually my only idea when I first wake up :/16:59
diddledanyup17:00
diddledanwake up? NO! Y U NO UNCONSCIOUS17:00
diddledanwaking up is the worst thing evar17:00
daftykinsi missed the postie this morning =| he rang at 9am and i got to the door when he was walking away at the end of my road17:01
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daftykinsi have my new electronic cat flap \o/17:01
diddledanbut have you got an electronic cat?17:01
daftykinssure do17:02
daftykinsor at least, she's meant to have a tag17:02
davmor2MissDreamee: I run unity7 and unity8 if that counts :)17:02
diddledandavmor2: methinks not17:02
daftykinsdraping her over it after putting the batteries in resulted in more paw flailing than it did success, however17:02
davmor2diddledan: shhh they are different :D17:03
diddledandaftykins: aww, cute17:03
diddledanI like cute kitties17:03
daftykins;)17:03
daftykinsalso, the hole in the door is bigger than it - so i'm gonna need some ply to cover up the existing =|17:03
shauno_I misread that as an oversized cat.  I'm not entirely sure how, in retrospect17:07
diddledanGIANT CAT RAMPAGES CIVILISATION17:07
daftykinsif she were giant i wouldn't have to deal with neighbourhood cats getting in on her territory all the time17:17
diddledanawww :-(17:18
diddledanthat's not fair17:18
diddledanhow dare they?!17:18
daftykinsi know!17:18
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/ndu6yqwk3igrosz/IMG_20140705_043632.jpg17:18
daftykinsi caught the little blighter, somehow got in despite having the cat flap as out-only17:18
ali1234mummy can we keep it?17:19
diddledanyeah, my parent's cat used to be able to bypass that type of restriction - he worked out he could pull at the flap and it opened17:19
diddledanthis was after weeks of bashing on it17:20
diddledanthe bashing wasn't to get in/out it was to tell us he was there17:20
diddledaneven if it was unlocked he'd bash it17:20
diddledanI think he realised it made loud noises that brought hooming17:21
diddledans17:21
diddledanhoomings**17:21
diddledanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4e-qJdEAXo <-- mockingjay lives17:22
mapps8 pound train return17:23
mappsor 6 quid single17:23
mapps;]17:23
diddledanhow do people think that the F word strung together directly behind normal words, a la "f this f-ing you f-er f-ing me when I f-ing work to f-ing pay for your f-ing f-er"17:31
diddledanhow do they think it makes coherent sentences**17:31
diddledanseriously I can't work out what all the yelling is about17:31
shauno_are they yelling it at you?17:32
diddledanhow do they expect 1) anyone including the person they're yelling at to understand, and 2) eaves-droppers to work out who did what to whom?17:32
diddledannah, it's upstairs afaict17:32
daftykinsi'm not sure they're concerned with diddledan lurking in the bushes with his radio mic ;)17:33
mappsgah what is wrong with 3g recently17:33
mappsso damn slow17:33
diddledanwell if they're going to broadcast it to the entire street they might as well make it obvious what's going on, no?17:33
daftykinsXD17:33
mappsthe pings like 8000ms according to speedtest.net app17:34
shauno_I wonder why people never question Snopes.17:34
mappseven on 4g im only getting say 12mbit17:34
mapps10936ms17:34
mappsabsolute joke17:34
diddledanmapps: maybe the network is overloaded there?17:34
mappsyet download shows as 2.45mbit17:35
mappsoh no17:35
mappsdownload 0.2 upload 2.417:35
mappsso loading a web page is painful17:35
mappsyea its been happening for the past few weeks17:35
shauno_whippersnappers!  in my day you had to go to manchester uni to get 12mbit :/17:35
mappsas MartijnVdS said 3g and 4g are diff networks so i guess 3g is congested ..and when i use 4g not as many people on there17:36
ali1234shauno_: because snopes links to references17:36
diddledanI'd expect them to be the same network just different spectrum17:36
mappshmm17:37
MartijnVdSit all depends on:17:37
MartijnVdS* congestion of the network17:37
MartijnVdS* signal strength (both ways! send *and* receive)17:37
MartijnVdS* your operator's settings17:37
mapps3g used to be ok17:37
MartijnVdS* frequency used (800MHz vs 2.4GHz)17:37
ali1234they are all different networks. for example three has no 2g network and they rent it off someone else. that's why they won't allow you to use a 2.5g-only phone17:37
MartijnVdSuh 2.617:37
mappsdone todays tv watching17:42
mappssuits/graceland/murder in the first17:42
mapps;]17:42
shauno_ali1234: that doesn't really answer my question, since they invent sources17:42
shauno_my favourite is http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/spiders.asp17:43
shauno_originally they just cited Ms Holst in a magazine that didn't exist.  now they've added a quote from Scientific American, which is completely contradictory (spiders avoid humans because they vibrate, and end quote with "found on on his face")17:43
mappshmm17:44
mappsis it possible to make my wireless come on before a reboot?17:44
mappsso if i rebooted remotely my box comes back online17:44
daftykinswat17:45
mappswell17:45
mappsmy wireless doesnt connect until i login17:46
mappson my xubuntu machine17:46
daftykinsenable auto login? :)17:46
mappsah17:46
mappscould do that yea17:47
daftykinsor you could ditch network manager and hardcode your connection setup17:47
daftykinsbut given all the funky stuff you play with that sounds like a bad move17:47
ali1234one time a spider walked on my face while i was sleeping17:47
ali1234so it must be true17:47
mapps:D17:48
shauno_oh I'm not saying it's true.  just having their source claim spiders actively avoid sleeping humans, and walk on their faces, is completely contradictory17:49
ali1234blame the sources17:50
ali1234note that the pc professional article isn't actually in the citation section17:50
shauno_sure it is, 4th of the 517:51
ali1234oh yeah17:52
ali1234how can they give a page number?17:52
ali1234lol17:52
mappshmm cant find the charger i wanted now17:52
mappsrats17:52
diddledanprobably because the magazine had a number of pages and it appeared on a page that-many down the stack?17:53
mappswanted to get some portable phone charger for when i go away small thing fits in your pocket17:53
diddledanmapps: rats? where?!17:53
shauno_diddledan, that's the bit that has me interested.  no-one can find any trace of this magazine existing17:53
mapps:D17:54
diddledanshauno_: oh17:54
diddledanshauno_: PCPro existed17:54
diddledanshauno_: I assumed that was an evolution of PC Professional17:54
ali1234but didn't have any such article17:54
ali1234i think snopes did it just to wind people up17:55
shauno_pc pro has never been called pc professional, and launched in nov 9417:58
foobarryhttp://ask.metafilter.com/146671/Paging-Lisa-Birgit-Holst18:00
foobarryseems everything about that page is false18:05
foobarrywhterh deliberate or not, is anyones guess18:05
diddledanI like the razor that suggests to never put down to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence18:06
shauno_oh I haven't claimed any malice either.  I just find it interesting because they are somewhat sacrosant18:06
foobarrycannot be incompetence18:06
foobarryso either intended to be fake article, or an attempt to be an authority on matters under false pretence18:07
shauno_the same way we tell people not to use wikipedia as a primary source (yet go there first for everything)18:07
mappsgah what the hell18:07
mappsIPv6 connections work, but connections using DNS names do not use IPv6. For some reason, your browser or your OS is not doing IPv6 DNS 'AAAA' lookups.18:07
diddledanfirst? surely you mean "solely"18:07
mappsyet i can ping -6 ipv6.google.com ?!18:07
foobarrymapps: what is your dns sever18:08
diddledanmapps: if you can ping a dns name then that means aaaa resolving works18:08
mappshmm18:08
shauno_it may work selectively though?  I know google were doing that the other way around for a while18:08
diddledanyeah it depends on your upstream dns provider I guess18:09
mappsdns is the router ip it says18:09
diddledanI tend to rely on 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.418:09
shauno_you may also run across broken configurations.  eg, for a long time apple treated v4 vs v6 as a race.  whichever answered first was taken as the only reply18:09
diddledan>.<18:10
mappsits just put ipv6 in [] right?18:10
mappsto access in abrowser18:10
foobarrywhich browser18:10
shauno_so you'd get a v6 address for ipv6.google because it only has an AAAA answer, but a v4 address for google.com because it has both, and the A is more likely to be cached18:10
mappschrome18:10
foobarryhave u enabled it in chrome:?18:11
diddledanfoobarry: you shouldn't need to?18:11
mappsdidnt think i needed to18:11
mappsit was working before18:11
shauno_I think Chrome uses this behaviour too; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Eyeballs18:11
mappsi was pushing 2 IPV6 dns in radvd too18:12
mappsRDNSS 2001:4860:4860::8888 2001:4860:4860::8844 {18:12
foobarrychrome://net-internals/#dns18:13
mappsive got an ipv6 address18:14
mappsjust cant lookup18:14
mappsnot sure what to do this was all working the other day18:14
foobarrytry a ipv6 dns server?18:19
diddledancan you ping -6 2001:470:1f08:b73::1?18:20
diddledanthat's my tunnel endpoint18:20
mappsso i just disconnected reconnected and now i can reach ip6 addresses in my browser18:20
diddledanyey18:21
mappscould it be because i turned my linux box off earlier? that dishes out ip6 using radvd18:21
foobarryi was gonna suggest turn off hae a lie down and then try again18:21
mappsbut the laptop alredy had an ipv6 so surely not?18:21
mappsit wouldnt affect it wod it?18:21
mapps*would18:21
foobarry:S18:22
diddledannot if your linux box stayed on the same ipv6 address it woudln't18:22
foobarrytime for washing up18:22
shauno_why's the linux box running radvd?18:23
diddledanbecasue that's where his tunnel terminates18:24
shauno_well that's what I'm wondering.  because if he turned off the box that handles the tunnel ..18:24
diddledanyeah, without the tunnel then ipv6 won't work at all18:25
diddledanso we all know LAMP - the A being Apache, so what's LEMP?18:30
diddledanseems the E is for _N_ginx18:33
diddledanthat's so obvious... -_-18:33
shauno_right:)  because nginx is pronounced engine-x, and lnmp is impossible for even the welsh to pronounce18:34
diddledanlol18:34
diddledanwhat about if you were using lighttpd?18:34
diddledanllmp?18:34
MooDooLLMP ;)18:34
MooDoolol18:34
shauno_I'm fairly sure the welsh can pronounce that18:34
diddledanthe welsh would have a good go at that one18:34
shauno_"clump" or similar18:35
diddledanno, llmp18:35
diddledan<-- reads welsh18:35
diddledan<-- doesn't understand it18:35
shauno_carefuly - with that surname, people might believe you18:35
diddledan:-p18:35
diddledanok, let's replace Mysql with Redis: LARP18:36
diddledanand LERP18:36
diddledanand LLRP18:37
shauno_and obviously, dragonbsd  (or darwin for the sadists)18:37
diddledanhehe18:37
diddledanDERP18:37
diddledan!!18:37
diddledanis darwin installable again yet? or did the new effort stop just after it started18:38
diddledanhttp://www.puredarwin.org/18:38
diddledanstill "now open"18:38
diddledanyey for last news18:39
diddledan15/12/1218:39
diddledanthat's 201218:39
diddledan2.5 years ago18:39
diddledanmethinks the "new" effort didn't get out of the "new" phase18:39
shauno_there's a good reason.  it's really not worth the effort18:40
shauno_we already have hurd for people who despise themselves.18:40
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diddledanlol18:40
diddledanthat's GNU/Hurd to you18:40
diddledanbecause we all need more guh's18:41
diddledanas in g-noo NOT new18:41
shauno_it really encompasses all the bits you didn't like about OSX, with none of the good sides.  it also features enough missing drivers that it supports less hardware than OSX18:42
shauno_but on the plus side, it's build system will give you a whole new appreciation for single malt scotches18:42
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqgPyqyh4X418:43
shauno_(as far as I can tell, darwinbuild is a version-control system that didn't know what it wanted to be when it grew up)18:44
shauno_oh, it also features build numbers that they don't publish, and it won't build without specifying one.  so you have to invent one, and when it fails, start grepping the build tree to find the list it's matching against18:45
diddledanlol18:45
daftykinssounds lovely18:46
daftykinswhoops lost him18:46
diddledanhmm, what happened there then?18:46
diddledantextual done disappeared on me18:47
daftykinsremote host closed18:47
daftykinsyou dun quit!18:47
diddledanI dun goofd?18:47
daftykinsmayhaps18:47
AzelphurIs there any way to run a specific application with a different gtk theme?20:40
AzelphurEclipse really does not like my GTK theme.20:40
daftykins:D20:43
ali1234yes but you won't like it20:44
daftykinsuh oh20:45
Azelphurali1234: how do I do it?20:45
ali1234is it gtk2 or gtk3?20:45
AzelphurI think 220:46
daftykinsThunderbirds ftw20:47
Azelphurali1234: ?20:52
ali1234GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/<theme>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc20:53
ali1234http://askubuntu.com/questions/144968/set-variable-in-desktop-file20:55
Azelphurali1234: amusingly I tried that one, it had no effect20:58
ali1234eclipse is probably gtk3 now20:58
Azelphurah20:58
Azelphurhappen to know the GTK3 environment variable?20:58
ali1234there isn't one20:59
Azelphurthat's useful21:00
ali1234to do this on gtk3 you have to run multiple copies of gnome-settings-daemon (and therefore multiple dbus sessions)21:00
ali1234yeah, that's gnome for you21:00
ali1234i told you you wouldn't like it21:00
Azelphur\o/21:00
ali1234wat theme is it?21:00
ali1234if it's one of shimmer themes you should report a bug and we will fix it to work with eclipse21:01
ali1234the up side of gtk themes is they use all css, so you can make rules that apply to specific applications to fix things like this21:01
popeyali1234: does xfce use vino by default?21:01
ali1234what is vino?21:02
popeyvnc server21:02
ali1234oh. do you mean xubuntu?21:02
ali1234because xfce doesn't have defaults21:02
ali1234it's not installed here, and i didn't uninstall it...21:03
popeyoh sorry, yes21:03
ali1234vnc is terrible anyway. use xhosting21:04
mappscant decide what portable charger to get..have to get one though..5s dies too quickly ;(21:04
Azelphurali1234: nah, it's some third party theme I grabbed from gnome-look21:05
ali1234yeah those are almost always terrible21:05
ali1234you could try hacking the css to fix it yourself21:06
ali1234ah... eclipse is java right?21:06
popeymapps: i got an anker 13000mAh21:06
AzelphurI have one of the EasyAcc 12000mAh, they are cool21:07
mappsi was looking at ; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Compact-Lipstick-Sized-Technology-Smartphones-Adapters-/dp/B00F4SDOVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405026195&sr=8-1&keywords=iphone+5s+portable+charger21:08
mappsnot in pink :P21:08
mappsand also http://www.amazon.co.uk/EasyAcc®-10000mAh-Brilliant-Smartphone-Bluetooth/dp/B00H9BEC8E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1405026195&sr=8-2&keywords=iphone+5s+portable+charger but only 1000021:09
mappsdidnt see the anker 13000 or easyac 12000 ?21:09
mappsare they small enough to fit in your pocket?21:09
popeythe one I have is a bit bulky21:10
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/13000mAh-Portable-External-smartphones-lightning-Black/dp/B00BQ5KHJW21:10
popeybattery lasts ages21:11
mappsim getting it mainly for when i go on holiday / to the football / racing phones guaranteed to die21:11
mappsbut want to be able to fit it in my pocket..else im sure il put it down and forget it!21:11
popeythe flat thin ones fit nicely in a pocket21:12
popeyi have one on my wishlist to buy for wifey's handbag21:12
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J7FDB5U/21:13
popeythat one, but in white, decent mAh21:13
popeybut flat, so fit nicely in a coat or jeans back pocket21:13
mapps8000mAH enough?21:13
popeyenough to get you out of a sticky situation21:20
Azelphurmapps: my 12000 is the type you could keep in your coat pocket reasonably easy21:22
Azelphurbut you wouldn't be fitting it in your trouser/jeans pocket21:22
daftykinsXD21:23
mappsah21:24
mappsthe lipstick size one is kinda tempting21:24
mappssays it adds 9hours charge21:24
popeyjust bought the pink one for wifey21:26
Azelphurmapps: maybe on an old Nokia, not on a smartphone.21:27
Azelphurmy 12000 generally does 2-3 charges of mine21:28
mappsreally?21:28
mappswhat the hell21:28
mappsAdd more than a full charge or 9 hours of additional talk time to your iPhone 5 / 4 / 4S / 3G / 3GS. On most other phones, benefit from 1 full charge or 90+ hours of audio playback.21:28
mappssee21:28
mappshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Compact-Lipstick-Sized-Technology-Smartphones-Adapters-/dp/B00F4SDOVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405026195&sr=8-1&keywords=iphone+5s+portable+charger21:28
mappsso lies21:29
mappsfigured it wouldnt be as good as it sounds21:29
daftykinsconsider that your device is probably rocking a 2500+ mAh battery21:29
mappshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/EasyAcc®-10000mAh-Brilliant-Smartphone-Bluetooth/dp/B00H9BEC8E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1405026195&sr=8-2&keywords=iphone+5s+portable+charger21:29
mappsthat claims 5-6 charges!!21:29
Myrttioohh. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/encompass/asmo-charger-the-worlds-first-truly-intelligent-ch21:31
Azelphurmapps: the Nexus 5 has a 2300mAh battery, so 10,000 divided by 2300 is 4.34, and that's if you have a magical zero loss system.21:32
popeypower up 3 ships next week!21:33
popeycant wait21:34
mappsso those claims are garbage basically?21:34
popeymapps: dunno, i dont own that battery21:49
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