[00:08] https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=glass_shale [00:09] gah can you screenshot? play store devices are blocked in the channel islands again [00:09] i'm too tired to proxy [00:27] http://imgur.com/6BLymDa [00:38] ty sir [00:38] cor, cheap! [05:49] morning all [05:59] morning === Moon is now known as Guest52008 [07:43] morning [07:43] morning SuperMatt [07:44] so I installed centos 7 on a box with centos 6 working flawlessly... my wifi didn't work [07:44] SuperMatt: upgraded? [07:44] installed over the top [07:44] you can't really "upgrade" yet [07:44] SuperMatt: I know that's why I asked, thought they might have released the upgrade tools lol [07:46] SuperMatt: did it work as I'm thinking of doing my server [07:46] well, everything worked except my wifi [07:46] and the nuveau drivers were pitifully slow [07:47] well i don't use wifi and it's a headless server so not bother about that [07:48] well then, it should be fine [07:48] there is an epel beta release [07:49] yeah that's what I use currently. I might wait for the point release though, it's all sooooo new :D If I had the hardware i'd have a new machine but I don't lol [07:50] * SuperMatt checks if rackers have pulled their finger out and pushed IUS 7 [07:50] nope [07:50] bloomin rackers! [07:50] can't trust them to do anything [07:51] also: I'm allowed to say that === msm is now known as Guest4551 [08:41] which wifi card SuperMatt [08:44] wifiex kickstarter has gone [08:45] hah [08:45] will i get my money back? [08:45] wonder if they got their money [08:46] my money stayed in my wallet for meaningless vapourware product [08:46] foobarry: no idea [08:46] i remember somebody tried selling ubuntu on a usb stick for money, and people bought it because it was a kickstarter [08:46] >.< [08:47] I wouldn't mind if canonical tried to kickstart a usb stick program for 1) getting usb sticks to normal users and 2) using the rest of the money to get it out to other countries with poor internet [08:47] well, it was a tiny bit more than that [08:48] and even then they messed up [08:48] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/750308586/stormfly-like-a-pc-on-your-wrist [08:52] usb boot drive becomes wristband [08:53] "If you reformat your StormFly completely you will lose the OS installed on it and all the magic of StormFly. " [08:53] In other words ; it's a standard USB drive with some software on it. [08:54] woohoo [08:54] We're sorry but for now the StormFly Store is closed. You can however still purchase StormFly at Amazon by clicking here [08:54] amazon shows nothing [08:54] I used to do this with my USB drives [08:54] I like things that are wearable though. There's a certain amount of unused realestate on my wrists [08:54] Actually install the OS on a partition rather than just doing the FAT32 thing [08:54] for $59 :-| [08:55] The trick is that Windows in particular only wants to read the first partition on a removable USB [08:55] That is marked as a thumb drive [08:55] So if you have a shared FAT32 partition you put it on as the first partition and you're golden [08:56] popey: did stomrfly ever become a product? [08:56] It got the successful backing of $120k [08:56] yes [08:56] they sent them out [08:57] but the far east company that made them, cut corners making the things very unreliable [08:57] so they had to replace a lot of them [08:57] i suspect this burned through their cash. [08:58] The fact that they had a backup tool on the device which backed up to "the cloud" which is probably now shut down - is going to be annoying for anyone who did get one [08:58] half baked [08:59] I think that $19.99 a year for the backup service was probably part of their business plan. Along with overcharging for USB storage, of course. [09:00] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28237108 - terrible [09:01] Hmm, yes, they wouldn't want to have to keep asking the NSA for that data, would they... [09:01] Good morning all; happy Don’t Step On A Bee Day! :-D [09:01] that's every day :( [09:02] is there a "Step on a bee day"? [09:03] alternatively you could just carry a USB drive in your pocket [09:04] I have several in my bag [09:04] I think I carry around about 128GB of removable flash [09:04] emergency storage law? Can't they just get wristbands? [09:05] It's just an excuse for the ISPs who are now stuck between the legal rock and the hard place - EU law says they should delete that data [09:05] i wore a hole in my pocket because of usb keys [09:06] so what's hte emergency between now and 2016? [09:06] So they now have an excuse to dither. What big ISP wants to incur the wrath of government by not being able to service their warrants? [09:06] The emergency is that with the EU having made it illegal that the ISPs might delete their historic data to be compliant with that law. [09:06] We can't have that! We'd have to ask the NSA for their "metadata"! [09:09] Arrgh, emacs stole my file association for shell scripts [09:09] how 90s. [09:09] you mean that you don't live in emacs? [09:09] I only installed it to try out Org Mode [09:09] I use org mode all the time [09:10] and org agenda [09:10] Does it grow on you? So far my opinion that it's not worth the pain of using Emacs [09:11] I think org mode is about the fastest way I've seen to take notes and organise tasks [09:11] it makes messing around with markdown look cumbersome [09:11] I've been using FreeMind for organizing things [09:12] * awilkins wonders if vim-orgmode works well === Eisbrecher_xnox is now known as xnox [09:19] * bashrc wonders if there is a mind mapping mode in emacs [09:24] morning boys and girls. [09:25] morning [09:25] morning bashrc [09:26] hay brobostigon bashrc :D [09:26] Morning and here's one for cat lovers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr39jPapmBU How on earth do you get so many cats to sit in one place like that === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [09:30] hey MooDoo :) [09:33] daftykins: I never did take up the noise issues with the downstairs guy, no - I knocked on the door once, but he didn't answer (he did stop talking loudly to the radio at that point, though) === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [09:42] * awilkins now has org-mode for Vim and has no idea what to do with it [09:42] Yay! [09:43] task management? neat [09:44] I use hnb sometimes for that. [09:44] http://hnb.sourceforge.net/ [09:44] I usually use FreeMind / Redmine [09:44] An org exporter for Redmine would probably be super awesome [09:44] If I had a handle on how to use org mode [09:45] Shouldn't be too difficult in these days of XML... [09:45] Oh, no, probably not [09:45] Am I being too optimistic? ;) [09:45] Already wrote a thing to upload redmine tickets in bulk in about 50 lines of Python [09:45] * foobarry does a redmine dance [09:45] Wrote a routine that eats files as record-jar and presents them as a list of dict [09:46] Then just a quick thing that maps each dict to a new issue using one of the lovely Redmine API libraries [09:46] Makes for much easier management of hyuuuuge lists of user stories into tickets [09:47] Especially when you end up editing them iteratively a lot before you upload them [10:42] :) [10:57] ooh, new toys [10:57] heat gun, infrared thermometer [10:57] ooo what you got? [10:57] lol [10:58] replacing glass on phone [10:58] need to melt glue holding it on [10:58] I did consider putting it under the grill ... [11:02] nexus 4? [11:03] galaxy s3 [11:06] that kicks out a good bit of heat :D [11:09] can anyone help with grub2 not detecting centos6 install? supergrub2 cd does detect it === msm is now known as Guest7425 [11:17] Good morning peeps :) [11:18] morning === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:20] Am I missing much? [11:20] bigcalm: Hey we were missing you [11:21] bigcalm: no one to pick on, hurry back :D [11:21] Chin [11:21] Ha [11:23] How was the LUG? [11:26] bigcalm: so the government are being a menace and pushing through a law that lasts for year as an emergency measure for our safety, making phone companies track who you ring when [11:26] oh and text and email [11:26] btw they will rtack your ip if you search for privacy software or use it [11:27] Just the meta data? [11:27] bigcalm: well lets say yes [11:27] Not coil man [11:27] Not cool man [11:28] Damn autocorrelation on my phone [11:28] Auto correct [11:28] oh no!! it's coil man!!! not coil man !! [11:34] man , microsoft made me work had for that survey [11:34] only got a quid for it [11:38] davmor2: I recommend using Tor for most things. They may track your IP but are unlikely to know what you're reading [11:39] tor de france [11:42] bashrc: That kinda make you more suspicious though surely :) [11:43] bashrc: they can read the stuff I look at they'll be bored before I am :) [12:18] the more people that use tor the less suspicious it looks [12:18] i bet lots more will as soon as the bill is passed [12:19] right now the NSA are classing anyone who goes to the tor project website as a potential adversary [12:19] that needs to change! [12:19] it won't [12:20] likewise visitors to the linux foundation are also classed as criminals [12:20] because why would you use linux if you're not a pervert? [12:24] * awilkins is a Linux-using pervert and proud! [12:24] (the two are orthogonal) [12:25] yey for the tory government: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/no-emergency-stop-the-data-retention-stitch-up [12:25] tories don't have a majority [12:26] Prime Minister David Cameron has secured the backing of all three main parties for the highly unusual move. [12:27] Just the announcement has had the chilling effect they desire I bet... unless there are ISPs right now deleting their logs in response to the "if we don't pass this law quick, people might delete their logs".... [12:27] "We deleted all those logs when the EU made it illegal to retain them. Oh, sorry, did you want access to them?" [12:28] party like its 1984 [12:34] all previous 8 seasons of 24 are on sale at googley play-doh [12:34] 7.99 each [12:34] pay? for tv shows? [12:34] think i'll read the wikipedia page instead [12:34] watch? 8*24? [12:34] Isn't 24 on Netflix? [12:34] yes [12:35] £7.99 and binge watch all 8 seasons in a month [12:35] Oh, ok, £5.99 [12:35] yah but netflix is at the whim of content licensors [12:35] what non-authenticating website (other than anything big like amazon / google / ebay) could you not live without.. *catch* which has an API to access the content/features? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:35] True [12:35] (by non-auth I mean you can use it without logging in) [12:36] bug tracking ones [12:36] They are selling box sets of Netflix original series! [12:36] ooh! good call [12:36] launchpad/redmine/trac/ [12:36] For box set prices! £18 a season [12:36] bugzilla [12:36] another one is the tfl site [12:36] for journey data [12:36] and train info [12:37] good one [12:37] greater anglia train etc [12:37] They don't put "Netflix" anywhere on the box, probably because people would go.... "D'uh, I can have 3 months Netflix for the cost of this box set and watch a whole lot more than just Hemlock Grove.." [12:37] right, trains in general.. [12:37] started playing with redmine REST api [12:38] foobarry, I started with the Ruby / ActiveRecord as an API wrapper but someone wrote a pretty nice Python one [12:38] Ruby brings me out in hives [12:39] cheese and chive [12:45] the best app i use is for bus travel data. really handy [12:46] i remember a UUPC chat with a guy from southampton that was turning the whole campus into open data json accessible, and user created content (e.g. i vommed on this statue one night i was drunk) [12:46] hehe [12:48] I Wish our busses had an api. I screen-scrape it for a widget instead :/ [12:50] There's the Steam API. Which I don't use and can't live without, but someone did a thing that enumerates all your games and tells you how much money you would have spent if you bought them all today... [12:51] .. and how long you spent playing them all [12:51] *can live without [12:55] Wheee, a380 is in the air [12:55] http://www.flightradar24.com/A380/3c76553 [12:57] That thing is rather sobering [12:57] LOTS of planes [12:57] that's a big bird [12:57] what? [12:57] two planes are taking off from Edinburgh at the same time [12:58] the A380 airbus, MooDoo [12:58] oh ok, one just landed and is taxiing [13:01] ah get ya lol [13:03] the a380 to skiathos is doing weird maneouvers [13:03] heh i was watching that one diddledan [13:03] I thought the 380's were for long distance ? [13:03] air show diddledan [13:04] its doing practice fly-pass of the airport [13:04] just got some nice photos of it outside [13:04] aah [13:04] when is the show? [13:04] (I might attend) [13:04] I like the farnborough show [13:05] perhaps it needs the loo [13:05] next week [13:05] gotcha [13:05] we get half price tickets, but will probably just watch from the garden ☻ [13:05] lol [13:08] traffic is better when you don't drive and just garden it [13:08] google are on the spamhaus blocklist :-( http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=209.85.223.176 [13:09] was.. [13:09] it's gone now [13:09] 8 minutes ago ? [13:12] ProActive action by Google :) [13:12] that thing is surprisingly quiet [13:19] i have a revell model of a c17 globemaster. 1/144 scale. still massive [13:19] don't think i'll ever make it [13:20] as seen in superman of steel [13:23] some fighter just went up [13:31] popey: outside? You should be at work sunshine and none of this I was testing the camera app improvements ;) [13:31] dammit, should have taken a pic of the a380 with my phone [13:34] popey: you see how you don't think these things through properly ;) [13:35] well, my DSLR has zoom [13:35] popey: pinch to zoom on the phone :P [13:35] * diddledan pinches davmor2 [13:44] the pinch zoom on phone cameras tends to just crop out the surrounding image [13:44] you're better off fixing it in posty [13:44] post, even [13:44] indeed === whaletales is now known as aptanet [13:51] popey: which one do we normally go on http://www.realaletrail.net/ [13:52] http://www.watercressline.co.uk/product.php/10/real-ale-train-r-a-t [13:55] ahhh [13:55] that looks more familar [13:55] thank you [13:56] np [13:56] wow many are already sold out [13:56] that puts a pin in that bday present [14:08] czajkowski: do you need one? [14:17] hm [14:18] morigan mapps [14:18] so finally got my fibre ordered..only taken 5 weeks and 5 calls [14:18] but [14:18] no idea when it's being activated ..he told me 'within 5 days' but 3 other opeatos told me 2-3 weeks on diff calls [14:18] he said they'd keep me updated..yea right! [14:18] and then insisted i get a new router..i got one 4 weeks ago when i first phoned for fibre [14:18] argh [14:19] hey diddledan [14:19] he might have put you on openreach fasttrack provision because you've been waiting so long - it costs them more but keeps you happy [14:19] im on sku [14:19] sky [14:19] and another annoyance today [14:19] still requires openreach IIRC [14:20] paid some money into barclays..and planned on transferring to my main HSBC ac later..well i cant [14:20] I'm on sky and my modem is an OR modem [14:20] 'to transfer to a new payee you need a pinsentry device.donnt have one order one now' [14:20] why when i got the account dont they just send 1? [14:20] MooDoo: well got himself monty python tickets but wnated to do something on the day of his bday [14:21] czajkowski: so you're looking to go on the rat? [14:22] czajkowski: the ubuntu rat that is [14:23] czajkowski: due to me getting a new job, I can't make the rat, so if I can find my ticket lol it's in a secret place, you're more than welcome to it. [14:27] MooDoo: oh what new job [14:28] czajkowski: sys admin for the health store windows/ubuntu/rhel [14:29] MooDoo: oh get you mr fancy pants [14:31] lol [14:31] davmor2: way with words dude [15:17] Good morning peeps :) [15:22] morning [15:23] there's a lad outside messing with the drain - atm I think he's got fed up and it just whacking it with something heavy [15:23] is* [15:24] !rat | czajkowski [15:24] czajkowski: rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/ [15:24] morning bigcalm [15:24] lol diddledan [15:24] o/ [15:25] ugh [15:25] too tired [15:33] i caught a cold without cold symptoms that made me feel super tired and nauseous. a virus [15:38] oh god, you're patient zero?!~ [15:39] pandemic that's decimated the population all because you didn't report sick?! [15:40] oh wait, no, that was a movie [15:40] ignore me [15:41] and my wife had it last week [15:41] and my baby before that [15:46] baby got steadily more grumpy until one day was super happy [15:55] oh dear, is the ubuntu-phone mailing list going to turn into a flamefest tonight? [15:55] oooh, cookies. [15:56] Why, has something crashed? [15:56] awilkins: worse: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09001.html [15:56] NOT SOMETHING ANNOYING [15:57] yeah, he's moaning about the source code comment which includes bible quotes [15:58] I'm not entirely sure how it's a "threat to canonical" [15:58] Hmm. Well, I don't think the quote adds any information to the header, which makes it redundant (even in the setting of it's original bible app - a grid control has no need of salvation) [15:58] ♫ this is the house that funk built ♫ [15:59] It's unprofessional in the same vein that comments denigrating users with colourful language are. [15:59] aye [15:59] If I was taking merge requests I'd probably insist that both kinds of comment be removed [16:00] Comments should rest lightly upon the shoulders of self-explanatory code [16:00] Can we quote from the church of the flying spaghetti monster for balance? [16:00] dwatkins: most defferably [16:00] Anyway, quoting from the Bible is a copyright violation [16:01] oh dear, I sound like my daddy [16:01] maybe also from the menu of Frankie & Benny's, just for something a bit different. [16:01] who's copyright>? [16:01] whose? [16:01] And Bible publishers, believe it or not, are utter demons about that [16:01] yeah, them too [16:01] Depends on the edition [16:01] someone told me that the most published publication ever was the IKEA catalogue. [16:01] so quote from king-james which has no copyright:? [16:01] But a lot of the more modern ones have been translated recently and are thus in copyright [16:01] not sure it qualifies, at it changes all the time, then again, there are different editions of the bible. [16:02] You might think that they retranslated them just so they could copyright the text again. I couldn't possibly comment. === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [16:02] If for example that's from the NIV, that is definitely in copyright and they are most zealous about pursuing infringers [16:02] really? wow [16:02] KJV is obviously fair game [16:03] But still irrelevant to the actual source code [16:03] "here, have a lawsuit for posting something your $DIETY said" [16:03] "you're quoting the devil from the old testament? go right ahead" [16:03] Religious publishing houses are big business [16:03] dwatkins: APIs are copyright too, so $DEITY isn't allowed either [16:03] Today I learned :) [16:04] silly oracle vs google [16:04] * awilkins was married to an evangelist for 15 years and knows a thing or two about religious publishing and their copyright habits [16:04] I went out with a catholic once. [16:04] lol [16:05] for about 4 years [16:05] I saw a church [16:05] it was, however, a long time ago. [16:05] oh, I used to go to church, but only until I was 17. [16:05] it had pretty spikes and all sorts [16:05] (obviously a CofE church) [16:06] I love the architechture of our old c of e churches [16:06] I admire the work that went into them [16:06] yeah, I'm going to be singing in a choir which meets in a church soon hopefully, but it'll be secular music, not churchy stuff we'll be singing [16:07] I deplore the resources and hard work that could have been used for a grain silo or something else more useful [16:07] there's a chapel near here with an uncertain history, as the records wer largely burned (Roslyn) [16:07] diddledan: it's the Cathedrals that never cease to amaze me [16:07] Roslyn? Not being a bit Dan Brown, are we? [16:08] The religious dudes have their own equivalent of the PRS and everything for hymns. [16:09] They have to assidiously record which hymns they sing so as to pay the right royalties [16:09] awilkins: a bit Dan Brown in which sense? I just mean that the tour explains they don't know the meaning of the placement of certain statues etc. [16:09] perhaps they were being a bit Dan Brown, though, yes [16:10] Roslyn = Rose Line = to do with the grail legends [16:10] cool, I'd best go see it again and check for evidence of water cups [16:11] anyhoo, it's hometime for me, toodles! [16:13] Anyone here uses multiple distros? [16:14] how is 9:30 am EDT the same as 12:30pm PDT? [16:14] surely that's backasswards? [16:14] I thought east had sun-up before the specific [16:15] That is backwards [16:15] It's 0915 PDT and 1215EDT right now [16:15] that's what I thunked [16:15] amazon can't tell the time then [16:16] It is backwards [16:16] I think EDT is UTC -4 and PDT UTC -7 [16:17] I can't work out when this keynote is/was [16:18] it says it's either 930am EDT/ 6:30am PDT OR 930am EDT/1230pm PDT [16:19] have I missed it? or is it happening in 10 minutes time? [16:19] the link takes me to a page that says "thank you for watching. the video will be uploaded to youtube shortly" [16:55] diddledan: go back to sleep? it'll be "was" when you wake up :) [16:58] that sounds like a good idea [16:58] sleep is always a good idea [16:59] unless you just woke up [16:59] then it's very bad [16:59] it's usually my only idea when I first wake up :/ [17:00] yup [17:00] wake up? NO! Y U NO UNCONSCIOUS [17:00] waking up is the worst thing evar [17:01] i missed the postie this morning =| he rang at 9am and i got to the door when he was walking away at the end of my road === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:01] i have my new electronic cat flap \o/ [17:01] but have you got an electronic cat? [17:02] sure do [17:02] or at least, she's meant to have a tag [17:02] MissDreamee: I run unity7 and unity8 if that counts :) [17:02] davmor2: methinks not [17:02] draping her over it after putting the batteries in resulted in more paw flailing than it did success, however [17:03] diddledan: shhh they are different :D [17:03] daftykins: aww, cute [17:03] I like cute kitties [17:03] ;) [17:03] also, the hole in the door is bigger than it - so i'm gonna need some ply to cover up the existing =| [17:07] I misread that as an oversized cat. I'm not entirely sure how, in retrospect [17:07] GIANT CAT RAMPAGES CIVILISATION [17:17] if she were giant i wouldn't have to deal with neighbourhood cats getting in on her territory all the time [17:18] awww :-( [17:18] that's not fair [17:18] how dare they?! [17:18] i know! [17:18] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndu6yqwk3igrosz/IMG_20140705_043632.jpg [17:18]