[04:45] <bduk> Morning peeps
[05:13] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: "sudo apt-get purge minetest*" That won't try and expand in the shell?
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> theblazehen: actually no, and interestingly enough i've never even realised before that its weird
[06:06] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy and others
[06:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> although if you happen to have any files in your current dir that match the glob,but the files don't match any package names, then you get an error
[06:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s2j99f5O8D <-- like that
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> of course, the correct answer is to always quote arguments where you don't want bash globbing them
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo apt-get purge 'minetest*'
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> so Kilos have you decorated your whole house with paintings and installed a bunch of appliances already? :-)
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> and built a mesecons door that opens when you walk near it
[06:14] <Kilos> haha no man i have to find flowers or something to mmake coloured stuff
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[06:15] <Kilos> there is just too much to work through
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've been stocking up on flowers for ages
[06:15] <Kilos> ah
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'll see i have a bunch around my house
[06:15] <Kilos> yeah
[06:15] <Kilos> i only planted a few
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> every now and then i pick all but 1 of each colour then after a while they spread again
[06:16] <Kilos> oh they spread automatically?
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[06:16] <Kilos> cool
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.net/Flower
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.net/Group:flora
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> so basically plant them on grass, make sure there's enough space around them and they will spread slowly
[06:18] <Kilos> didnt worry much about flowers because i dont plant much that doesnt bear fruit
[06:18] <Kilos> in real life that is
[06:18] <Kilos> apart from herbs of course
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> i still want to try placing a lot of dirt in an underground cavern and then have a lot of super glow glass above it, i'm pretty sure it'll grow grass
[06:18] <Kilos> oh you havent seen
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> seen what?
[06:19] <Kilos> bart got tired of the long trip up for wood so he complained and i had to go make him an area with his own wood down there
[06:19] <Kilos> lemme find screenshot
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> haha
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> wood is easy though it grows in the dark
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> grass and flowers need light
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you must make a chest at your house with a teleporting tube and another down the mineshaft, then you can teleport stuff down there
[06:22] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/screenshot_284335666-v81hc0qG.png
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol nice
[06:22] <Kilos> i put lotsa lights but thats also where all that mese was
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> trees don't need light, just so you know for future
[06:23] <Kilos> 3 more piles apart from that last shot of the blocks and mese
[06:23] <Kilos> ty
[06:23] <Kilos> without light ill keep walking into them hehe
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, something else i noticed from the changelog
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> - Punch bones to pickup items, drop them if no space for bones
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> so it seems you can just click your bones to pick up all the items contained in them
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't tested though
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> easier than transferring one stack at a time
[06:25] <Kilos> yeah that was big work
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> they also added desert cobblestone but i think that only affects newly-generated worlds
[06:26] <Kilos> i just get a blue screen with clouds
[06:27] <Kilos> need to restrt it i think
[06:29] <Kilos> it keeps telling me i should upgrade my client
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> no it doesn't, read it properly
[06:31] <Kilos> please note that the server has been updated, you should probably update your client too
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, ok maybe i should add "if you have not already done so", happy? :-p
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> i thought i was being helpful
[06:33] <Kilos> hahaha oh that was you
[06:48] <Kilos> spinza, ping
[06:49] <Kilos> wow had a fat upgrade on 14.04 kde last night, 550m
[06:50] <Kilos> oh ThatGraemeGuy i gave you the wrong link for that mirror
[06:50] <Kilos> sorry
[06:50] <Kilos> http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za
[06:50] <Kilos> i think i said neurology
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> np, i'm using the mirror:// scheme now
[06:51] <Kilos> oh and our mirror is fixed again
[06:51] <Kilos> might have been upgrading
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:34] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[07:34] <Kilos> yo jabberwockya19_ 
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Gremble dont grumble
[07:36] <Gremble> hey Kilos 
[07:36] <Vince-0> o/
[08:02] <Kilos> hi bushtech brrrr ne
[08:02] <charl> so des ne
[08:03] <Kilos> whats that mean charl 
[08:03] <charl> hi Kilos, Gremble, ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:03] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:03] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:03] <charl> Kilos: japanese "so, that's how it is, ne"
[08:03] <charl> actually it means "so, yes that is how it is, ne"
[08:03] <Kilos> ah
[08:04] <Kilos> koko ni hon ga arimasu ka
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:04] <charl> is there a book here ?
[08:05] <Kilos> 2where is the book if i remember right from over 40 years ago
[08:05] <Kilos> hehe
[08:05] <Kilos> hi Rynomster 
[08:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:07] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:07] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:07] <charl> vi Vince-0, Rynomster 
[08:07] <charl> ls
[08:07] <charl> sorry, wrong window
[08:08] <charl> and *hi
[08:20] <Vince-0> what's uup
[08:57] <Kilos> definitely not the temperature
[08:58] <Kilos> Maaz, sing mtn
[08:58] <Maaz> Come on summer, Come on
[09:10] <Vince-0> ha
[09:10] <Vince-0> they got that stupid meerkat again
[09:15] <charl> advertisement ?
[09:17] <charl> i love my byobu setup right now http://i.imgur.com/7ZStCUq.png
[09:17] <charl> i name each tab according to the irc network it's running in
[09:58] <Symmetria> can someone do me a favour and ftp to ubuntu-releases.mirror.liquidtelecom.com
[09:59] <Symmetria> and attempt to pull one of the ISO's
[09:59] <Symmetria> and just let me know if its working properly
[10:01] <charl> Symmetria: on it
[10:02] <charl> Symmetria: working fine it's just *really* slow
[10:02] <charl> Symmetria: i'm getting less than 1MBps
[10:03] <charl> ah now it's slowly starting to climb, hitting 1,5MBps now
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> getting in the region of 3MB/sec
[10:05] <charl> hmm lemme do a mtr
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> around 6-7MB/sec now
[10:05] <Kilos> wow thats fast ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:05] <charl> only about 8 hops, shouldn't be that bad, latency around 170ms
[10:06] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: you are talking about megaByte right, not megabit?
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[10:06] <charl> yeah that's more than fair
[10:06] <Symmetria> thats nifty, on what link are you on and where are you based
[10:06] <Symmetria> I did a test to UFS in bloemfontein and was getting 40MBytes/second as well
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> I work at Hetzner :)
[10:07] <Symmetria> can you do a tracroute and paste it to me?
[10:07] <Symmetria> Im just verifying everything
[10:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2014-07-10 12:08:02 (4,26 MB/s) - ‘ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [1010827264]
[10:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> md5sum checks out
[10:08] <Symmetria> thats decent 
[10:08] <Symmetria> can you gimme a trace to the server?
[10:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/raw/s2WXY9qqYE
[10:09] <Symmetria> charl, heh, I can give you some settings to apply to your box to re-test if you want that shold make it a shitload faster :P
[10:10] <charl> Symmetria: yes please
[10:10] <Symmetria> how much ram is in your box?
[10:10] <charl> Symmetria: 4 GB
[10:11] <Symmetria> ok, gonna give you some settings, I would suggest you revert back to the old settings after the test though
[10:11] <Symmetria> cause you don't have the ram to run these settings long term
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.core.rmem_max = 67108864
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096        131072   33554432
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.core.wmem_max = 67108864
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096        131072   33554432
[10:11] <Symmetria> set that and then try the download again
[10:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:11] <charl> hmmm ok
[10:11] <Symmetria> sysctl -a |grep on those and save the old values 
[10:11] <Symmetria> so you can revert back afterwards
[10:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:16] <Symmetria> let me know what those settings do to the transfer speed
[10:22] <charl> interesting, right at the start it shot up to about 7MBps and then dropped down to what it was (1,5MBps)
[10:24] <charl> restarted the wget, a couple of times, now it stays slow - irratically moves between 1,5MBps and 700KBps
[10:25] <charl> ok deleted the file and am starting over, so that i can get a good average speed indication
[10:38] <charl> 2014-07-10 12:36:05 (1,46 MB/s) - ‘ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [1010827264]
[10:39] <charl> that was the result of: wget -c ftp://ubuntu-releases.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:40] <charl> just to double check:
[10:40] <charl> charl@charl-laptop:~$ sudo sysctl -a|grep -E "(rmem_max|tcp_rmem|wmem_max|tcp_wmem)"
[10:40] <charl> net.core.rmem_max = 67108864
[10:40] <charl> net.core.wmem_max = 67108864
[10:40] <charl> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096	131072	33554432
[10:40] <charl> net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096	131072	33554432
[10:42] <charl> if i download ubuntu from a local mirror using the same settings:
[10:42] <charl> 2014-07-10 12:42:13 (30,5 MB/s) - ‘ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [1010827264]
[10:48] <charl> retrying now under my old settings
[10:49] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:49] <Symmetria> charm you didnt adjust the net.core.rmem_max
[10:49] <Symmetria> thats still 6.7 meg
[10:49] <Symmetria> or if you did,, its missing a didgi
[10:49] <Symmetria> in which case I screwed up
[10:49] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:50] <Symmetria> oh no, thats right
[10:50] <Symmetria> charl, very strange
[10:50] <Symmetria> you should get better performance than that
[10:50] <Symmetria> way better
[10:50] <Symmetria> what kernel version
[10:50] <Symmetria> and is that 14.04?
[10:50] <charl> charl@charl-laptop:~$ uname -a
[10:50] <charl> Linux charl-laptop 3.13.0-30-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 4 21:40:53 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:50] <charl> yes ubuntu 14.04
[10:50] <Symmetria> very odd 
[10:51] <Symmetria> cause I tested to manchester and was getting 40MBytes/second with those settings
[10:51] <Symmetria> tested to Brussels and same thing
[10:51] <charl> maybe it's the route it's taking
[10:51] <charl> i'll paste you a mtr in PM
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> charl: lsb_release -a
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ;-)
[10:57] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: i just cat /etc/issue ;)
[10:58] <Symmetria> heh wheee
[10:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> meow
[10:59] <Symmetria> I managed to do 400mbit/seond from that server to tenet machines
[11:24] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: you work at hetzner? this vps i'm irc'ing from is also hosted at hetzner
[11:24] <charl> good hosting company
[11:24] <charl> and cheap :)
[11:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> heztner germany
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> hetzner even
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> we don't do virtual stuff in SA
[11:26] <charl> yes of course, i live next to germany :)
[11:26] <charl> you don't do virtualisation? you would be one of the very few companies that have not gotten into that
[11:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[14:23] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[14:24] <Cantide> hello~
[14:36] <Cantide> good night! lol
[14:36] <Kilos> haha
[14:36] <Kilos> sleep tight
[14:36] <Kilos> ai!
[16:11] <theblazehen> Cryptography is hard :(
[16:33] <Kilos> the morte you do it the easier it will get
[17:14] <charl> hi psychicist 
[17:14] <charl> theblazehen: what you doing?
[17:21] <theblazehen> charl: own mesh network thing
[17:21] <theblazehen> Trying to encrypt multiple kilobytes with public key crypto
[17:23] <theblazehen> I probably shouldn't be implementing crypto...
[18:06] <charl> theblazehen: don't you just use an existing crypto library ?
[18:06] <charl> i've done it lots of times it's really simple
[18:06] <charl> do all your rsa/dsa, aes etc, blowfish whatever you want
[18:17] <theblazehen> charl: I'm using pycrypto
[18:17] <theblazehen> But need to encrypt largish amount of data with public key crypto
[18:18] <theblazehen> So I'm now splitting it in 128 byte chunks, encrypting them and joining them
[18:27] <theblazehen> night all
[18:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo peeps
[18:31] <theblazehen> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight