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| diddledan | lol, vampire academy looks funny | 02:33 |
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| diddledan | movie** | 02:33 |
| diddledan | gets a rotten tomatos score of 10% which means I'm bound to enjoy it | 02:33 |
| diddledan | https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/why_is_this_here_and_why_are_you_reading_random_variables?id=PixzIt3Dg7w | 02:35 |
| mapps | hey all | 05:46 |
| Guest57387 | morning | 06:26 |
| === Guest57387 is now known as MooDoo | ||
| mapps | morning guest;p | 06:27 |
| mapps | aka MooDoo :) | 06:27 |
| MooDoo | no Idea what happened there | 06:28 |
| mapps | :) | 06:29 |
| === Moon is now known as Guest37183 | ||
| Myrtti | aw man, I just realised that on the day that I'd get to enjoy my home delivered newspaper for the first time, we're off to Cambridge :-| | 08:24 |
| foobarry | printed? wow | 08:30 |
| Myrtti | yeah, I like having a big pot of tea, toast and newspaper | 08:31 |
| Myrtti | besides I made a promise that when I move to UK I'll order Guardian delivered. So I did. Albeit only the weekend issues. | 08:31 |
| foobarry | i used to enjoy sunday papers reading after lunch | 08:32 |
| foobarry | then i had kids and if i get 1/2 hr to myself, i climb under the duvet for a snooze | 08:32 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Population Day! :-D | 08:36 |
| foobarry | after popey's anger was aroused regarding solar panel benches..i bring you https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ryangrepper/coolest-cooler-21st-century-cooler-thats-actually | 08:41 |
| foobarry | yay got my monthly reward from samsung for telling them my opinion about their ideas \o/ | 08:46 |
| === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 | ||
| popey | haha, thats brilliant! | 08:49 |
| dwatkins | what did I miss about solar powered benches? | 08:49 |
| awilkins | I think their Mah mean mAh | 08:50 |
| awilkins | I'd be seriously impressed if they fit mega-amp-hour batteries into that thing | 08:51 |
| awilkins | Would buy one just to power an electric car.... 18V 3000MAh battery would do what, about 10,000 miles or something stupid? | 08:51 |
| dwatkins | yeah, the battery capacity was my first concern, especially as it runs a blender | 08:54 |
| dwatkins | you can charge it up via the solar panel, but not quickly enough to compensate for all the things you might want to use it for in a day | 08:54 |
| foobarry | needs a crank on the side | 08:56 |
| dwatkins | good call, foobarry | 08:57 |
| popey | can you plug it into the car? to charge on your journey? | 08:58 |
| foobarry | it smacks a bit of rich americans who need such a thing though | 09:02 |
| foobarry | $299 on a cool box | 09:02 |
| popey | i guess if you go out at the weekend with your friends and family a lot | 09:15 |
| popey | its the price of a mobile phone | 09:15 |
| Laney | Myrtti: how do you get it delivered? | 09:16 |
| Laney | I looked into it a little while ago and only found discounted vouchers | 09:16 |
| popey | Laney: local newsagent? | 09:16 |
| Myrtti | took the vouchers to the newsagent and paud them for delivery | 09:16 |
| Laney | maybe, that's what I asked. | 09:16 |
| * popey used to be a paper boy, and would sometimes deliver to the road I now live in | 09:16 | |
| foobarry | i guess i'm thinking about how much we see the sun. my bbq hasn't seen light of day in a couple of years | 09:17 |
| Laney | wonder if the one down the road does that | 09:17 |
| Myrtti | likely yes | 09:17 |
| Laney | it's some spar-like (not spar) chain so not sure | 09:17 |
| foobarry | foospar | 09:17 |
| popey | I've had the BBQ out 3 times this year so far | 09:17 |
| popey | and I'm going to a local LUG BBQ on saturday, although it looks like rain | 09:17 |
| popey | Fauxspar | 09:17 |
| Laney | the yellow and purple one | 09:17 |
| shauno_ | I have fond memories of running the BBQ in the rain, in the garage with the door up | 09:18 |
| popey | hehe, yeah ☻ | 09:18 |
| Myrtti | this is a bit odd aystem in comparison to Finland | 09:18 |
| popey | I have a photo somewhere of me standing over a bbq with an umbrella | 09:18 |
| Myrtti | you pay the newspaper and the papers magically appear | 09:18 |
| shauno_ | to quote Magnus, "I've started, so I'll finish" | 09:18 |
| popey | ooh, my firefox flame has cleared customs | 09:19 |
| popey | ooh, 3 ww2 dakotas just flew past | 09:20 |
| foobarry | anyone know of a good FOSS document management system? | 09:20 |
| foobarry | envy @ popey | 09:20 |
| foobarry | about planes | 09:20 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: AlanBell might be able to help you with that one | 09:21 |
| popey | vulcan xh558 is arriving later, dunno when | 09:21 |
| foobarry | vulcan are awesome | 09:21 |
| foobarry | and massive | 09:21 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: give it the vulcan salute | 09:21 |
| popey | heh | 09:22 |
| shauno_ | the standard salute for the Vulcan is to stand, jaw dropped, while wondering how we ever managed to make death so pretty | 09:22 |
| popey | hehe | 09:25 |
| foobarry | the vulcan in the falklands war bombed a runway then came home :) | 09:39 |
| diplo | foobarry : The Alans use alfresco.com as far as I know | 09:39 |
| foobarry | a DOS attack | 09:39 |
| bashrc | denial of runway | 09:40 |
| popey | just got a text "FYI... I hear the Vulcan is leaving RAF Waddington for Farnborough at 11:15 | 09:42 |
| popey | \o/ | 09:42 |
| Myrtti | http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home?intid=3mainfahrbn1501 | 09:42 |
| Myrtti | WOHEY! | 09:42 |
| Myrtti | Three is ditching roaming charges for more countries, including Finland | 09:42 |
| MartijnVdS | hmmm | 09:42 |
| MartijnVdS | Would I be able to buy a Three SIM and then use it to roam *all the time* for free? :) | 09:43 |
| shauno_ | I've been tempted to try that with a slovak sim. I found a friend's roaming charges here, are less than my standing contract | 09:44 |
| MartijnVdS | oh... Feel At Home is designed for UK residents who are on holiday or business trips abroad, not for extended periods abroad. | 09:44 |
| popey | keep thinking about roaming for holiday then remember I'm going to the Isle of Wight | 09:44 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm going to France and Jersey. I was hoping "alternative roaming provider" deals would start showing up now the new rules are in place.. | 09:45 |
| shauno_ | went there a couple of years ago. proper weird. not sure I'll go again | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | or maybe better roaming deals.. but they only got worse | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno_: where? France? | 09:45 |
| shauno_ | the isle of wight | 09:45 |
| shauno_ | used to go there a *lot* when we were kids, me ma's family's from there. went back a couple of years ago with none left and it was proper weird | 09:46 |
| shauno_ | especially with stuff like blackgang chine going over the cliff, not even the tourist attractions are where you left them | 09:47 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:49 |
| popey | heh | 09:50 |
| popey | we're staying in a fort | 09:50 |
| dwatkins | a pillow or wooden fort? | 09:51 |
| MartijnVdS | blanket fort? | 09:51 |
| popey | http://www.bluechipholidays.co.uk/isle-of-wight/freshwater/the-sergeants-quarters-golden-hill-fort?s_pos=3 | 09:51 |
| dwatkins | I can't believe I'm wishing it wasn't sunny so I can go for a run at lunchtime without getting too hot. | 10:22 |
| diplo | dwatkins, if it's too sunny.. PUB! | 10:24 |
| diplo | :) | 10:24 |
| shauno_ | dwatkins: trade you? we've got perma-drizzle | 10:28 |
| dwatkins | pub? wish I could, but it's going to be a busy day | 10:29 |
| foobarry | whatever happened to the raspi ubuntu builds? | 10:44 |
| dwatkins | paging AlanBell | 10:45 |
| foobarry | did he nail them on a big piece of plywood | 10:46 |
| foobarry | like my dad did with my hornby rail set | 10:46 |
| diddledan | PUB?! | 10:48 |
| * awilkins will probably hit the rowing machine... oh, around now | 11:04 | |
| foobarry | more like the sewing machine | 11:06 |
| foobarry | :P | 11:06 |
| popey | vulcan just went right over our house ☻ | 11:09 |
| foobarry | :'( | 11:10 |
| foobarry | i'm going to clacton air shwo this year to see 2 lancasters | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | popey: Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's super spock | 11:13 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: live long & prosper! | 11:18 |
| popey | :D | 11:18 |
| foobarry | where's the cheapest place to buy a synology? ebuyer/amazon? | 11:21 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: you have a webbrowser look | 11:32 |
| foobarry | doesn''t seem to work at telling me who'se cheapest, only who google thinks | 11:33 |
| === Guest70019 is now known as ikonia | ||
| foobarry | google shopping doesn't index everyone | 11:34 |
| foobarry | now i've forgotten which one i was gonna buy | 11:39 |
| davmor2 | no foobarry you go to the one site and find the cheapest you then go to the other site and find the cheapest, You can even open it in 2 tabs and flick between the two to ensure they are the same :P | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: synology | 11:41 |
| foobarry | dear google, is there a cheaper place than amazon or ebuyer | 11:41 |
| foobarry | woops wrong window; | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | invisible hand | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/invisiblehand/ | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | http://www.getinvisiblehand.com/ | 11:42 |
| foobarry | now synology are tricking me with model numbers 213j and 214se which is not the same as 214 | 11:43 |
| MartijnVdS | 2 = 2-bay | 11:48 |
| MartijnVdS | 13/14 = year of introduction of model | 11:48 |
| MartijnVdS | the letters indicate special bits ("j" tends to be cheaper/slower CPU for instance) | 11:48 |
| diddledan | I think that's unfair using an extra symbol (the j) to mean you get less | 11:53 |
| diddledan | "here, have more symbols meaning you get less" more or less. | 11:54 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: 80386... SX | 12:01 |
| diddledan | grr | 12:01 |
| diddledan | I need feeding | 12:04 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: make me a sammich? | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 12:05 |
| diddledan | sudo make me a sammich | 12:05 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: user not in sudoers | 12:06 |
| diddledan | grr | 12:06 |
| diddledan | I forgot the root password, too | 12:06 |
| diddledan | so I can't use su -c make me a sammich | 12:06 |
| foobarry | the 214 > 213j but is it > 214se | 12:07 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: wikipedia has specs tables | 12:07 |
| diddledan | se = special edition? | 12:07 |
| foobarry | slow edition | 12:07 |
| diddledan | secrit episode? | 12:07 |
| diddledan | silent erosion? | 12:07 |
| foobarry | http://www.synology.com/en-global/products/compare_products/DS214se/DS214+/DS214/DS213j | 12:08 |
| foobarry | single core edition | 12:08 |
| diddledan | teeny memory | 12:08 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| MartijnVdS | I have a 413 | 12:09 |
| MartijnVdS | it's awesom | 12:09 |
| foobarry | 214se maybe ok if i'm not streaming video | 12:09 |
| foobarry | but 213j is better perf | 12:09 |
| foobarry | this is why millions of people used to let steve jobs make their decisions for them | 12:13 |
| popey | holy crap that vulcan is loud | 12:14 |
| foobarry | oh great. all the ladies are taking tests "how awesome is your husband" | 12:25 |
| diddledan | foobarry: facebook? | 12:31 |
| foobarry | yeah | 12:33 |
| davmor2 | popey: Well if you will watch StarTrek while at work on full volume it will be loud ;) | 12:33 |
| foobarry | which one of you uses o365, is it diddledan ? | 12:39 |
| awilkins | Is it Spock yelling "Khaaaaaan!" in Star Trek : Reboot 2 ? | 12:39 |
| popey | WHOOOOOOSH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3iDnVFn_vo | 12:54 |
| davmor2 | popey: not so much whoosh as ROOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR! | 13:00 |
| popey | it was louder when it was a few feet over and went directly over the house | 13:00 |
| popey | scared the bejeezus out of us | 13:00 |
| davmor2 | hahaha | 13:01 |
| diddledan | http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/selfies-are-ruining-the-tour-de-france.html | 13:01 |
| popey | s/selfies/stupid people/ | 13:02 |
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| * xnox is having ratatouille for lunch *nom* *nom* | 13:17 | |
| popey | nom indeed! | 13:20 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea | ||
| Myrtti | what | 14:43 |
| Myrtti | Boots sells kitchen appliances? | 14:43 |
| Myrtti | mind = blown | 14:43 |
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| davmor2 | Myrtti: so does ikea | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | that I knew | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | and it somewhat makes sense | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | Boots baffles me | 14:47 |
| foobarry | it was always in the upstairs section with the camera shop | 14:47 |
| foobarry | and toys | 14:48 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: it's owned by Wallgreens | 14:48 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: they sell everything under the sun in the US | 14:49 |
| davmor2 | infact they would sell you the sun if they could hold it long enough to get it in the shop :D | 14:49 |
| Ubuntu_User | is this a help channel? | 14:50 |
| davmor2 | Ubuntu_User: not officially but we help where we can, the official help channel is #ubuntu | 14:51 |
| Ubuntu_User | ok thanks | 14:51 |
| Ubuntu_User | how do i join that channel? | 14:52 |
| diddledan | type /join #ubuntu | 14:52 |
| diddledan | with the / | 14:52 |
| Ubuntu_User | thanks | 14:52 |
| foobarry | Ubuntu_User: but we are helpful too | 15:06 |
| Ubuntu_User | errrm ive installed ubuntu 14.04 LTS all fine except i cant boot into it as it doesn't show on the os selection screen, I dual boot with win 7 and two older versions for ubuntu | 15:09 |
| Ubuntu_User | can anyone help? | 15:09 |
| mapps | with what | 15:10 |
| mapps | if you specify then everyone here idling can read it and see if they can help! | 15:11 |
| diddledan | mapps: he did :-p | 15:11 |
| mapps | oh | 15:11 |
| mapps | i didn't see | 15:11 |
| mapps | all i see ishim asking if this is a help channel | 15:12 |
| diddledan | :-p | 15:12 |
| foobarry | Ubuntu_User: do you get the grub loader screen? | 15:12 |
| diddledan | methinks there's more than one grub in play | 15:12 |
| foobarry | it's possible that you didn't install onto the mbr when installing 14.04 | 15:12 |
| foobarry | perhaps running grub2-install /dev/sda on the older ubuntu would work? can another person back me up on that? | 15:12 |
| Ubuntu_User | i just flowwowed the install instructions whhen i booted the usd versinion from my usb | 15:13 |
| Ubuntu_User | i created a bootable usb to install it from | 15:13 |
| Ubuntu_User | i dont know if this issue has anyhting to do with ubuntu | 15:16 |
| foobarry | re-running the grub install from an existing ubuntu might do it, i've also used a package called boot-repair from within ubuntu too | 15:18 |
| Ubuntu_User | what is the grub install? | 15:19 |
| mapps | boot loader | 15:19 |
| Ubuntu_User | what is the command | 15:19 |
| foobarry | grub2-install /dev/sda (if your disk is /dev/sda) | 15:22 |
| foobarry | as root | 15:22 |
| foobarry | (use at your own risk) | 15:22 |
| foobarry | but it should detect OS on the machine and write a grub for you | 15:22 |
| Ubuntu_User | thanks | 15:22 |
| foobarry | quick straw poll...does anyone have a drink/ice dispenser on their fridge? | 15:50 |
| popey | yes | 15:51 |
| popey | a drawer inside the freezer in which ice magically appears | 15:52 |
| foobarry | a front mounted dispenser thing? | 15:52 |
| popey | no | 15:52 |
| foobarry | do many people have these? are they an american thing | 15:52 |
| popey | http://www.miele.co.uk/fridge-freezers/KFN37452-iDE-275/ | 15:53 |
| popey | like that | 15:53 |
| popey | the thing i like about that one is I can switch it off | 15:54 |
| popey | so in the winter when I'm less likely to want ice, I turn it off and gain a little space in teh freezer | 15:55 |
| popey | but if I'm having a party at the weekend, I'll turn it on again | 15:55 |
| nigelb | 23 | 15:55 |
| popey | kids like having slush puppies too in the summer | 15:55 |
| popey | 42 | 15:55 |
| nigelb | gah. Ctrl and Fn keys switching is HELL. | 15:55 |
| popey | WORST. THING. EVER. | 15:55 |
| nigelb | yup. | 15:56 |
| diddledan | does anyone know whether screen can be started by a boot-script and then immediately detached after starting a child program? | 16:12 |
| Myrtti | yes, it can | 16:26 |
| Myrtti | although I'm doing the same with tmux | 16:27 |
| Myrtti | but doing a crontab entry with @reboot tmux -u new-session -d -s irssi 'irssi' works for me | 16:27 |
| Myrtti | I'm sure there's more elegant ways but this works for me | 16:28 |
| Myrtti | atleast most of the time | 16:28 |
| diddledan | Myrtti: that's exactly the same reason I want to run it at reboot :-p | 16:29 |
| diddledan | irssi ftw | 16:29 |
| diddledan | hmm, dilemmas - do I build a new site to IE9+ knowing deep down that they're likely to want to view it in IE8? | 16:31 |
| diddledan | seriously who in their right mind actually uses IE8?! | 16:32 |
| diddledan | besides clients | 16:32 |
| diddledan | I want to start doing things using http://www.polymer-project.org/ | 16:35 |
| diddledan | but it's really IE10+ with some 9 support | 16:35 |
| diddledan | specifically I want the ability to compartmentalise the page/site | 16:36 |
| Gargoyle | What effect does resetting sysctl (sudo sysctl -p) have on a running system? Is it safe to do anytime? | 16:37 |
| mapps | hmm | 16:38 |
| diddledan | Gargoyle: that command won't "reset" the entire tree, it will only set the properties to whatever is in /etc/sysctl.conf | 16:39 |
| Gargoyle | diddledan, so I'm following this post http://scie.nti.st/2008/3/14/amazon-s3-and-connection-reset-by-peer/ | 16:39 |
| diddledan | so if you manually set something which isn't mentioned in the sysctl.conf then that will remain set | 16:39 |
| daftykins | hello all | 16:39 |
| daftykins | i can officially recommend the BitFenix Comrade as a very nice budget case - £25! | 16:40 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5c535s9knaxtrjn/AAC5wT3RKy-ip5zE6HbXOxQ8a | 16:40 |
| diddledan | in soviet russia, fenix bit you | 16:42 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:42 |
| daftykins | also, i just benchmarked a 32GB Team Group USB 3.0 flash drive which cost £14.99 | 16:43 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/u4oe2bkpy8m3ls0/teamgroup32GB.png | 16:43 |
| diddledan | does that tower-heat-sink actually fit? | 16:43 |
| daftykins | yes :D | 16:44 |
| daftykins | by the skin of its' teeth | 16:44 |
| diddledan | lol | 16:44 |
| diddledan | it certainly looks tight | 16:44 |
| daftykins | that's my main clients old Core 2 Quad setup which had some of the onboard USB get fried in a lightning strike | 16:44 |
| daftykins | the whole setup works, but i had to get a PCI USB controller card to make it workable with modern peripherals | 16:44 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/flu2rbdiaxyk5hi/IMG_20140709_160758.jpg | 16:45 |
| daftykins | i've been using it like this for a veeeeery long time | 16:45 |
| diddledan | lol | 16:45 |
| daftykins | i turn it on by bridging the IO pins with the rear panel IO shield XD | 16:45 |
| diddledan | >.< | 16:45 |
| daftykins | but now, no longer! luxury has been attained! | 16:45 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 16:46 |
| daftykins | only 4GB RAM, also the PSU is mine | 16:46 |
| diddledan | :-D | 16:46 |
| daftykins | so i've decided i'm commandeering the whole lot ;) | 16:46 |
| diddledan | :-p | 16:46 |
| daftykins | 120GB OCZ Vertex 2 SSD as well | 16:46 |
| diddledan | :-o | 16:46 |
| daftykins | bit of a shame i had to route the ATX 12V+ up under the cards | 16:47 |
| daftykins | i actually had to remove all the motherboard screws again just to plug that one in >_< | 16:47 |
| diddledan | motherboard screws, or rather those standoffs they screw into are the bane of my existence | 16:48 |
| daftykins | but yes, that machine is actually a graphics card away from being a gaming box i'd say | 16:48 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 16:48 |
| daftykins | do you have some loose ones that spin infinitely underneath the board? | 16:48 |
| diddledan | I almost always get at least one cross-threaded meaning that unscrewing it actually unscrews the standoff rather than the screw | 16:48 |
| diddledan | yeah, I have those too | 16:49 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 16:49 |
| daftykins | back in Athlon XP time, i had a huge Alpha PAL8045 heatsink that used to do that with its' bolts... BEHIND the motherboard >_< | 16:49 |
| daftykins | "right, whole board out" | 16:49 |
| diddledan | I've got several old boards lying around with one or more screw+standoff combos still attached because they were so meshed | 16:49 |
| daftykins | i actually got a tad confused with this machine, as it had just 3 standoffs in the screw set | 16:50 |
| daftykins | WAT you could hear me saying from down the road | 16:50 |
| diddledan | o_O | 16:50 |
| diddledan | what? | 16:50 |
| diddledan | now you got me confuddled | 16:50 |
| daftykins | but all the mounts were actually... risen metal, if you catch me | 16:50 |
| diddledan | aah | 16:50 |
| diddledan | nice | 16:51 |
| diddledan | that's a better way of doing cricket | 16:51 |
| daftykins | only if you have the exact layout mobo to use them of course :) | 16:51 |
| diddledan | true | 16:51 |
| daftykins | which thankfully this was, all 9 matched | 16:51 |
| mapps | dunno why festivals dont just let everyone do legal highs | 16:52 |
| mapps | they wanna do it..who cares | 16:52 |
| daftykins | in fact that build i did the other day, had the classic board-goes-wider situation :( | 16:52 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/jazd5jjtubq7w2k/IMG-20140702-WA0009.jpg | 16:52 |
| daftykins | so i had to plug in SATA whilst holding it to prevent splitting | 16:52 |
| daftykins | well, legal highs are actually mentally incapacitating kids and killing others | 16:52 |
| daftykins | so... i'd say that's a good enough reason not to permit them :) | 16:52 |
| mapps | its legal tho | 16:53 |
| mapps | smoking kills but its legal | 16:53 |
| daftykins | they're banned over here due to the above | 16:53 |
| daftykins | hey guys did you hear what happened in the Channel Islands earlier today!? | 16:53 |
| diddledan | nupe? | 16:53 |
| diddledan | not had the n00se on | 16:53 |
| daftykins | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-28266736 | 16:53 |
| daftykins | EARTHQUAKE! | 16:53 |
| mapps | woah | 16:53 |
| mapps | i wanna say cool in a way heh | 16:53 |
| diddledan | holy bajeepers | 16:53 |
| Gargoyle | I'm getting "error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.tcp_wmem'" when trying "sysctl -p", google is not helping much and root has rw on /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem and tcp_rmem | 16:54 |
| diddledan | that's a biiiig squiggle | 16:54 |
| mapps | i wouldnt bother doing them anyway..why would i..ive heard the side affects can be awful..and as u say deaths etc at least with ecstacy you know what to expect | 16:54 |
| diddledan | Gargoyle: run it with sudo | 16:54 |
| mapps | Gargoyle sudo in front of cmd | 16:54 |
| daftykins | i nipped out for 2 mins to buy lunch from a shop around the corner, got back to the clients place to find them all finding out what exploded and describing the house shook | 16:54 |
| Gargoyle | I am running it as root | 16:54 |
| mapps | oh | 16:54 |
| diddledan | mapps: ecstasy usually involves a certain amount of rat poison | 16:55 |
| diddledan | yey for dealers "making it go further" | 16:55 |
| mapps | well if itdoesnt i mean;p | 16:55 |
| Gargoyle | Is it valid for me to try and echo the values into the file? | 16:56 |
| diddledan | Gargoyle: how do you mean? | 16:56 |
| daftykins | that's how /proc modifications usually are done, yes | 16:56 |
| Gargoyle | diddledan: echo 4096 16384 512000 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem | 16:56 |
| diddledan | aah, I see | 16:57 |
| Gargoyle | :( | 16:57 |
| Gargoyle | permission denied | 16:57 |
| diddledan | try `sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_wmem="4096 16384 512000"` | 16:59 |
| Gargoyle | permission denied on key... (this is 11.04 on kern 2.6.32 BTW) | 17:00 |
| diddledan | in that case I'd recommend upgrading to a more recent edition of ubuntu (one that's still supported) and trying again | 17:01 |
| Gargoyle | diddledan: Yeah. tell me about it. | 17:01 |
| diddledan | 11.04 is 3.25 years old now | 17:02 |
| diddledan | we've had two LTS editions since then | 17:02 |
| Gargoyle | However in the real-world, we sometime have to make old shit work while we prep the new systems. | 17:02 |
| daftykins | hang on you're futzing with something EOL? | 17:02 |
| daftykins | now, i speak as a masochist myself... but why would you do that? :) | 17:03 |
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| Gargoyle | Currently my task list is: 1.) fix db backups. 2.) Roll-out new servers. In that order. | 17:03 |
| Gargoyle | Although, the same command seems to have successfully uploaded stuff yesterday. :( | 17:05 |
| daftykins | i guess you only know once you restore and test | 17:05 |
| Gargoyle | ah ha. Seems its a bug in s3cmd... | 17:22 |
| popey | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2af247/gnulinux_survey_to_find_overlap_between_distros/ "interesting" survey | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | popey: was it you that downvoted every arch post? | 17:42 |
| popey | haha, no | 17:43 |
| popey | didnt notice the voting | 17:43 |
| ali1234 | i m going to downvote everyone who said the use gnome because lolz | 17:43 |
| daftykins | and this is why i don't touch reddit | 17:44 |
| popey | wow, i can think of better reasons not to use reddit | 17:44 |
| popey | i thought you could see who up/downvoted stuff | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | no | 17:48 |
| daftykins | popey: i was more going for that pesky people have pesky opinions! :D | 17:49 |
| popey | oh | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | there, finished | 17:50 |
| daftykins | troll status increased | 17:52 |
| ali1234 | is anyone here a C++ expert? | 17:57 |
| diddledan | isn;t the whole point of C++ that nobody is an expert? | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | i dunno | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | if i say to you "placement new" and you know what that is, i'd consider you an expert | 17:57 |
| diddledan | i.e. it's so complicated noone can rightfully say they know anything about it | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | so if i allocate some memory with ::operator new, how am i supposed to deallocate it? | 17:58 |
| diddledan | doesn't it deallocate once out of scope? o_O | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | can't be "just call free on it" and delete doesn't make sense either | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | no, this is C++ not C# | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | i would ask in ##C++ but they'll demand to know my life story before helping me | 17:59 |
| diddledan | lol | 17:59 |
| diddledan | yeah, thems clever folk *tut* | 17:59 |
| daftykins | at least you didn't say they'd assume you're doing Uni homework | 18:00 |
| daftykins | that's always the coding channel classic | 18:00 |
| diddledan | indeed | 18:00 |
| diddledan | I usually assume the same when I see coding questions on linkedin | 18:00 |
| diddledan | like "when should I use $this in php" | 18:01 |
| diddledan | seriously, there are questions as inane as that | 18:01 |
| daftykins | that's beyond me, i don't do code | 18:02 |
| diddledan | if you did you'd probably appreciate that it's standard fare following the same principles in other languages | 18:02 |
| daftykins | i'd hope so. | 18:03 |
| daftykins | i fudged my way through Java at Uni but i did so by just looking and hacking rather than truly learning | 18:03 |
| diddledan | it's an Object-Oriented thing - outside the "object" you refer to it by it's name, but inside you refer to itself as "$this" | 18:03 |
| daftykins | oic | 18:03 |
| diddledan | it's kinda like you refer to yourself as me or I | 18:04 |
| diddledan | $this is the same | 18:04 |
| daftykins | why's that better than referring by name all the time? | 18:04 |
| diddledan | scope. inside the object it has no idea what you called it | 18:04 |
| daftykins | ah | 18:05 |
| diddledan | objects have two identifiers, see. the first is the "type" of object (apple) and the second is the instance name (fred) | 18:07 |
| diddledan | so you can have many apples all with different names | 18:07 |
| diddledan | but they all back onto the same code so the code doesn't know which apple it is | 18:07 |
| SuperEngineer | Anyone able to helpme recover ubuntu restoredpartion? | 19:17 |
| SuperEngineer | Had to restore from backup - grub reinstalled but U14.04 not in list | 19:18 |
| diddledan_ | arr, thems be partions of chips, eh? | 19:19 |
| SuperEngineer | on doing an update grub - where ubuntu should appear in list is "no volume groups found" | 19:19 |
| diddledan_ | :-p | 19:19 |
| SuperEngineer | m/me thinks he his in a reinstal from scratch :( | 19:19 |
| SuperEngineer | diddledan: partittions! :D | 19:20 |
| diddledan_ | :-p | 19:20 |
| diddledan_ | I was being yokel | 19:20 |
| SuperEngineer | ooo arrr | 19:20 |
| diddledan_ | what's the difference between a city fire engine and a country fire engine? | 19:21 |
| SuperEngineer | two horses | 19:21 |
| SuperEngineer | ...but this ain't gettin me booted into ubuntu | 19:21 |
| diddledan_ | nah, a city engine goes NEENAANEENAANEENAA whereas a country one goes "oo arr... oo arr... oo arr.." | 19:22 |
| SuperEngineer | ...but this ain't gettin me booted into ubuntu | 19:22 |
| diddledan_ | I was deflecting the question because I don't know | 19:22 |
| SuperEngineer | [guessed] | 19:22 |
| diddledan_ | hopefully someone else can help | 19:22 |
| SuperEngineer | "no volume groups found" - is the3re a way around this to save a reinstall? | 19:23 |
| diddledan_ | did you install onto LVM? | 19:24 |
| SuperEngineer | nope | 19:24 |
| diddledan_ | hmm, 'cos that's what it's moaning it can't find | 19:24 |
| diddledan_ | grub has got scary | 19:25 |
| diddledan_ | I used to be able to work 1.x blindfold but 2.x is a mystery to me | 19:25 |
| SuperEngineer | it was - & is again - on normal primary partition sda2 [with home partition on extended partition] | 19:26 |
| SuperEngineer | this *should have been safe* :D | 19:26 |
| diddledan_ | is /dev and /proc and /sys mounted? | 19:26 |
| diddledan_ | grub-update requires those to figure out what's where | 19:27 |
| diddledan_ | I'm assuming you're in the live dvd? | 19:27 |
| diddledan_ | slash usb | 19:28 |
| SuperEngineer | [I'm currently on netbook] the mess up is on desktop - inspecting it with reserve op sys [mint 16] | 19:28 |
| diddledan_ | which os do you want to handle grub? | 19:29 |
| SuperEngineer | ubuntu | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | ok, mount /dev/sda2 /mnt | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | mount -t sys sysfs /mnt/sys | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev | 19:29 |
| SuperEngineer | have tried from boot rescue cd, from 999 partition | 19:30 |
| diddledan_ | chroot /mnt /bin/bash | 19:30 |
| diddledan_ | cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab | 19:30 |
| diddledan_ | if you have a separate boot partition mount it with mount /boot | 19:31 |
| diddledan_ | and finally grub-update | 19:31 |
| diddledan_ | or is that update-grub? | 19:31 |
| diddledan_ | try both :-p | 19:31 |
| diddledan_ | there might be a 2 in the name for grub2 | 19:31 |
| SuperEngineer | hmm... "/mnt/proc is a symbolic linkto nowhere" | 19:32 |
| diddledan_ | ooh, that's not right | 19:32 |
| SuperEngineer | darn right it's not | 19:32 |
| SuperEngineer | ...reinstal time methinks | 19:32 |
| diddledan_ | it should be an empty folder before it's mounted | 19:32 |
| * SuperEngineer tries from live cd - tpas fingies will it loads | 19:34 | |
| SuperEngineer | *taps | 19:35 |
| * SuperEngineer still taps fingies ...... | 19:37 | |
| SuperEngineer | [can't help thinking I should have hit "install" instead of "try" :) | 19:38 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 19:39 |
| SuperEngineer | nah! still "mount point /mnt/proc is a symbolic link to nowhere" | 19:41 |
| SuperEngineer | ooo that's not helpful: [live cd] "grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path '/cow'" | 19:44 |
| SuperEngineer | yuk! | 19:45 |
| foobarry | wow, too much scrollback since 5pm | 19:46 |
| diddledan_ | moo | 19:50 |
| * SuperEngineer bits bullet & goes for reinstall :( | 19:54 | |
| SuperEngineer | ...guess I'd better have a beer while it does it's bit ;) | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | bits, bullets & beer? | 20:11 |
| MartijnVdS | Sounds like an American LUG meeting | 20:11 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 20:17 |
| diddledan_ | http://www.opposingviews.com/i/gallery/society/20-hilarious-childrens-spelling-mistakes | 20:17 |
| diddledan_ | I'm sure some of those were either coerced or faked | 20:20 |
| daftykins | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2d9QZFdW8uQ#t=31 | 23:35 |
| daftykins | Joe 90 theme tune, aww yeah | 23:36 |
| diddledan_ | I've made a thing | 23:59 |
| diddledan_ | :-p | 23:59 |
| diddledan_ | http://diddledan.github.io/banner-bar/ <-- effectively just an encapsulation of div-soup | 23:59 |
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