[02:33] <diddledan> lol, vampire academy looks funny
[02:33] <diddledan> movie**
[02:33] <diddledan> gets a rotten tomatos score of 10% which means I'm bound to enjoy it
[02:35] <diddledan> https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/why_is_this_here_and_why_are_you_reading_random_variables?id=PixzIt3Dg7w
[05:46] <mapps> hey all
[06:26] <Guest57387> morning
[06:27] <mapps> morning guest;p
[06:27] <mapps> aka MooDoo :)
[06:28] <MooDoo> no Idea what happened there
[06:29] <mapps> :)
[08:24] <Myrtti> aw man, I just realised that on the day that I'd get to enjoy my home delivered newspaper for the first time, we're off to Cambridge :-|
[08:30] <foobarry> printed? wow
[08:31] <Myrtti> yeah, I like having a big pot of tea, toast and newspaper
[08:31] <Myrtti> besides I made a promise that when I move to UK I'll order Guardian delivered. So I did. Albeit only the weekend issues.
[08:32] <foobarry> i used to enjoy sunday papers reading after lunch
[08:32] <foobarry> then i had kids and if i get 1/2 hr to myself, i climb under the duvet for a snooze
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Population Day! :-D
[08:41] <foobarry> after popey's anger was aroused regarding solar panel benches..i bring you https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ryangrepper/coolest-cooler-21st-century-cooler-thats-actually
[08:46] <foobarry> yay got my monthly reward from samsung for telling them my opinion about their ideas \o/
[08:49] <popey> haha, thats brilliant!
[08:49] <dwatkins> what did I miss about solar powered benches?
[08:50] <awilkins> I think their Mah mean mAh
[08:51] <awilkins> I'd be seriously impressed if they fit mega-amp-hour batteries into that thing
[08:51] <awilkins> Would buy one just to power an electric car.... 18V 3000MAh battery would do what, about 10,000 miles or something stupid?
[08:54] <dwatkins> yeah, the battery capacity was my first concern, especially as it runs a blender
[08:54] <dwatkins> you can charge it up via the solar panel, but not quickly enough to compensate for all the things you might want to use it for in a day
[08:56] <foobarry> needs a crank on the side
[08:57] <dwatkins> good call, foobarry
[08:58] <popey> can you plug it into the car? to charge on your journey?
[09:02] <foobarry> it smacks a bit of rich americans who need such a thing though
[09:02] <foobarry> $299 on a cool box
[09:15] <popey> i guess if you go out at the weekend with your friends and family a lot
[09:15] <popey> its the price of a mobile phone
[09:16] <Laney> Myrtti: how do you get it delivered?
[09:16] <Laney> I looked into it a little while ago and only found discounted vouchers
[09:16] <popey> Laney: local newsagent?
[09:16] <Myrtti> took the vouchers to the newsagent and paud them for delivery
[09:16] <Laney> maybe, that's what I asked.
[09:16]  * popey used to be a paper boy, and would sometimes deliver to the road I now live in
[09:17] <foobarry> i guess i'm thinking about how much we see the sun. my bbq hasn't seen light of day in a couple of years
[09:17] <Laney> wonder if the one down the road does that
[09:17] <Myrtti> likely yes
[09:17] <Laney> it's some spar-like (not spar) chain so not sure
[09:17] <foobarry> foospar
[09:17] <popey> I've had the BBQ out 3 times this year so far
[09:17] <popey> and I'm going to a local LUG BBQ on saturday, although it looks like rain
[09:17] <popey> Fauxspar
[09:17] <Laney> the yellow and purple one
[09:18] <shauno_> I have fond memories of running the BBQ in the rain, in the garage with the door up
[09:18] <popey> hehe, yeah ☻
[09:18] <Myrtti> this is a bit odd aystem in comparison to Finland
[09:18] <popey> I have a photo somewhere of me standing over a bbq with an umbrella
[09:18] <Myrtti> you pay the newspaper and the papers magically appear
[09:18] <shauno_> to quote Magnus, "I've started, so I'll finish"
[09:19] <popey> ooh, my firefox flame has cleared customs
[09:20] <popey> ooh, 3 ww2 dakotas just flew past
[09:20] <foobarry> anyone know of a good FOSS document management system?
[09:20] <foobarry> envy @ popey
[09:20] <foobarry> about planes
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: AlanBell might be able to help you with that one
[09:21] <popey> vulcan xh558 is arriving later, dunno when
[09:21] <foobarry> vulcan are awesome
[09:21] <foobarry> and massive
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: give it the vulcan salute
[09:22] <popey> heh
[09:22] <shauno_> the standard salute for the Vulcan is to stand, jaw dropped, while wondering how we ever managed to make death so pretty
[09:25] <popey> hehe
[09:39] <foobarry> the vulcan in the falklands war bombed a runway then came home :)
[09:39] <diplo>  foobarry : The Alans use alfresco.com as far as I know
[09:39] <foobarry> a DOS attack
[09:40] <bashrc> denial of runway
[09:42] <popey> just got a text "FYI... I hear the Vulcan is leaving RAF Waddington for Farnborough at 11:15
[09:42] <popey> \o/
[09:42] <Myrtti> http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home?intid=3mainfahrbn1501
[09:42] <Myrtti> WOHEY!
[09:42] <Myrtti> Three is ditching roaming charges for more countries, including Finland
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> Would I be able to buy a Three SIM and then use it to roam *all the time* for free? :)
[09:44] <shauno_> I've been tempted to try that with a slovak sim.  I found a friend's roaming charges here, are less than my standing contract
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> oh... Feel At Home is designed for UK residents who are on holiday or business trips abroad, not for extended periods abroad.
[09:44] <popey> keep thinking about roaming for holiday then remember I'm going to the Isle of Wight
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> I'm going to France and Jersey. I was hoping "alternative roaming provider" deals would start showing up now the new rules are in place..
[09:45] <shauno_> went there a couple of years ago.  proper weird.  not sure I'll go again
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> or maybe better roaming deals.. but they only got worse
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno_: where? France?
[09:45] <shauno_> the isle of wight
[09:46] <shauno_> used to go there a *lot* when we were kids, me ma's family's from there.  went back a couple of years ago with none left and it was proper weird
[09:47] <shauno_> especially with stuff like blackgang chine going over the cliff, not even the tourist attractions are where you left them
[09:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:50] <popey> heh
[09:50] <popey> we're staying in a fort
[09:51] <dwatkins> a pillow or wooden fort?
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> blanket fort?
[09:51] <popey> http://www.bluechipholidays.co.uk/isle-of-wight/freshwater/the-sergeants-quarters-golden-hill-fort?s_pos=3
[10:22] <dwatkins> I can't believe I'm wishing it wasn't sunny so I can go for a run at lunchtime without getting too hot.
[10:24] <diplo> dwatkins, if it's too sunny.. PUB!
[10:24] <diplo> :)
[10:28] <shauno_> dwatkins: trade you?  we've got perma-drizzle
[10:29] <dwatkins> pub? wish I could, but it's going to be a busy day
[10:44] <foobarry> whatever happened to the raspi ubuntu builds?
[10:45] <dwatkins> paging AlanBell
[10:46] <foobarry> did he nail them on a big piece of plywood
[10:46] <foobarry> like my dad did with my hornby rail set
[10:48] <diddledan> PUB?!
[11:04]  * awilkins will probably hit the rowing machine... oh, around now
[11:06] <foobarry> more like the sewing machine
[11:06] <foobarry> :P
[11:09] <popey> vulcan just went right over our house ☻
[11:10] <foobarry> :'(
[11:10] <foobarry> i'm going to clacton air shwo this year to see 2 lancasters
[11:13] <davmor2> popey: Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's super spock
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: live long & prosper!
[11:18] <popey> :D
[11:21] <foobarry> where's the cheapest place to buy a synology? ebuyer/amazon?
[11:32] <davmor2> foobarry: you have a webbrowser look
[11:33] <foobarry> doesn''t seem to work at telling me who'se cheapest, only who google thinks
[11:34] <foobarry> google shopping doesn't index everyone
[11:39] <foobarry> now i've forgotten which one i was gonna buy
[11:40] <davmor2> no foobarry you go to the one site and find the cheapest you then go to the other site and find the cheapest, You can even open it in 2 tabs and flick between the two to ensure they are the same :P
[11:41] <davmor2> foobarry: synology
[11:41] <foobarry> dear google, is there a cheaper place than amazon or ebuyer
[11:41] <foobarry> woops wrong window;
[11:42] <Myrtti> invisible hand
[11:42] <Myrtti> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/invisiblehand/
[11:42] <Myrtti> http://www.getinvisiblehand.com/
[11:43] <foobarry> now synology are tricking me with model numbers 213j and 214se which is not the same as 214
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> 2 = 2-bay
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> 13/14 = year of introduction of model
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> the letters indicate special bits ("j" tends to be cheaper/slower CPU for instance)
[11:53] <diddledan> I think that's unfair using an extra symbol (the j) to mean you get less
[11:54] <diddledan> "here, have more symbols meaning you get less" more or less.
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 80386... SX
[12:01] <diddledan> grr
[12:04] <diddledan> I need feeding
[12:04] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: make me a sammich?
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> no
[12:05] <diddledan> sudo make me a sammich
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: user not in sudoers
[12:06] <diddledan> grr
[12:06] <diddledan> I forgot the root password, too
[12:06] <diddledan> so I can't use su -c make me a sammich
[12:07] <foobarry> the 214 > 213j but is it > 214se
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: wikipedia has specs tables
[12:07] <diddledan> se = special edition?
[12:07] <foobarry> slow edition
[12:07] <diddledan> secrit episode?
[12:07] <diddledan> silent erosion?
[12:08] <foobarry> http://www.synology.com/en-global/products/compare_products/DS214se/DS214+/DS214/DS213j
[12:08] <foobarry> single core edition
[12:08] <diddledan> teeny memory
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> I have a 413
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> it's awesom
[12:09] <foobarry> 214se maybe ok if i'm not streaming video
[12:09] <foobarry> but 213j is better perf
[12:13] <foobarry> this is why millions of people used to let steve jobs make their decisions for them
[12:14] <popey> holy crap that vulcan is loud
[12:25] <foobarry> oh great. all the ladies are taking tests "how awesome is your husband"
[12:31] <diddledan> foobarry: facebook?
[12:33] <foobarry> yeah
[12:33] <davmor2> popey: Well if you will watch StarTrek while at work on full volume it will be loud ;)
[12:39] <foobarry> which one of you uses o365, is it diddledan ?
[12:39] <awilkins> Is it Spock yelling "Khaaaaaan!" in Star Trek : Reboot 2 ?
[12:54] <popey> WHOOOOOOSH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3iDnVFn_vo
[13:00] <davmor2> popey: not so much whoosh as ROOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!
[13:00] <popey> it was louder when it was a few feet over and went directly over the house
[13:00] <popey> scared the bejeezus out of us
[13:01] <davmor2> hahaha
[13:01] <diddledan> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/selfies-are-ruining-the-tour-de-france.html
[13:02] <popey> s/selfies/stupid people/
[13:17]  * xnox is having ratatouille for lunch *nom* *nom*
[13:20] <popey> nom indeed!
[14:43] <Myrtti> what
[14:43] <Myrtti> Boots sells kitchen appliances?
[14:43] <Myrtti> mind = blown
[14:47] <davmor2> Myrtti: so does ikea
[14:47] <Myrtti> that I knew
[14:47] <Myrtti> and it somewhat makes sense
[14:47] <Myrtti> Boots baffles me
[14:47] <foobarry> it was always in the upstairs section with the camera shop
[14:48] <foobarry> and toys
[14:48] <davmor2> Myrtti: it's owned by Wallgreens
[14:49] <davmor2> Myrtti: they sell everything under the sun in the US
[14:49] <davmor2> infact they would sell you the sun if they could hold it long enough to get it in the shop :D
[14:50] <Ubuntu_User> is this a help channel?
[14:51] <davmor2> Ubuntu_User: not officially but we help where we can, the official help channel is #ubuntu
[14:51] <Ubuntu_User> ok thanks
[14:52] <Ubuntu_User> how do i join that channel?
[14:52] <diddledan> type /join #ubuntu
[14:52] <diddledan> with the /
[14:52] <Ubuntu_User> thanks
[15:06] <foobarry> Ubuntu_User: but we are helpful too
[15:09] <Ubuntu_User> errrm ive installed ubuntu 14.04 LTS all fine except i cant boot into it as it doesn't show on the os selection screen, I dual boot with win 7 and two older versions for ubuntu
[15:09] <Ubuntu_User> can anyone help?
[15:10] <mapps> with what
[15:11] <mapps> if you specify then everyone here idling can read it and see if they can help!
[15:11] <diddledan> mapps: he did :-p
[15:11] <mapps> oh
[15:11] <mapps> i didn't see
[15:12] <mapps> all i see ishim asking if this is a help channel
[15:12] <diddledan> :-p
[15:12] <foobarry> Ubuntu_User: do you get the grub loader screen?
[15:12] <diddledan> methinks there's more than one grub in play
[15:12] <foobarry> it's possible that you didn't install onto the mbr when installing 14.04
[15:12] <foobarry> perhaps running grub2-install /dev/sda on the older ubuntu would work? can another person back me up on that?
[15:13] <Ubuntu_User> i just flowwowed the install instructions whhen i booted the usd versinion from my usb
[15:13] <Ubuntu_User> i created a bootable usb to install it from
[15:16] <Ubuntu_User> i dont know if this issue has anyhting to do with ubuntu
[15:18] <foobarry> re-running the grub install from an existing ubuntu might do it, i've also used a package called boot-repair from within ubuntu too
[15:19] <Ubuntu_User> what is the grub install?
[15:19] <mapps> boot loader
[15:19] <Ubuntu_User> what is the command
[15:22] <foobarry> grub2-install /dev/sda (if your disk is /dev/sda)
[15:22] <foobarry> as root
[15:22] <foobarry> (use at your own risk)
[15:22] <foobarry> but it should detect OS on the machine and write a grub for you
[15:22] <Ubuntu_User> thanks
[15:50] <foobarry> quick straw poll...does anyone have a drink/ice dispenser on their fridge?
[15:51] <popey> yes
[15:52] <popey> a drawer inside the freezer in which ice magically appears
[15:52] <foobarry> a front mounted dispenser thing?
[15:52] <popey> no
[15:52] <foobarry> do many people have these? are they an american thing
[15:53] <popey> http://www.miele.co.uk/fridge-freezers/KFN37452-iDE-275/
[15:53] <popey> like that
[15:54] <popey> the thing i like about that one is I can switch it off
[15:55] <popey> so in the winter when I'm less likely to want ice, I turn it off and gain a little space in teh freezer
[15:55] <popey> but if I'm having a party at the weekend, I'll turn it on again
[15:55] <nigelb> 23
[15:55] <popey> kids like having slush puppies too in the summer
[15:55] <popey> 42
[15:55] <nigelb> gah. Ctrl and Fn keys switching is HELL.
[15:55] <popey> WORST. THING. EVER.
[15:56] <nigelb>  yup.
[16:12] <diddledan> does anyone know whether screen can be started by a boot-script and then immediately detached after starting a child program?
[16:26] <Myrtti> yes, it can
[16:27] <Myrtti> although I'm doing the same with tmux
[16:27] <Myrtti> but doing a crontab entry with @reboot tmux -u new-session -d -s irssi 'irssi' works for me
[16:28] <Myrtti> I'm sure there's more elegant ways but this works for me
[16:28] <Myrtti> atleast most of the time
[16:29] <diddledan> Myrtti: that's exactly the same reason I want to run it at reboot :-p
[16:29] <diddledan> irssi ftw
[16:31] <diddledan> hmm, dilemmas - do I build a new site to IE9+ knowing deep down that they're likely to want to view it in IE8?
[16:32] <diddledan> seriously who in their right mind actually uses IE8?!
[16:32] <diddledan> besides clients
[16:35] <diddledan> I want to start doing things using http://www.polymer-project.org/
[16:35] <diddledan> but it's really IE10+ with some 9 support
[16:36] <diddledan> specifically I want the ability to compartmentalise the page/site
[16:37] <Gargoyle> What effect does resetting sysctl (sudo sysctl -p) have on a running system? Is it safe to do anytime?
[16:38] <mapps> hmm
[16:39] <diddledan> Gargoyle: that command won't "reset" the entire tree, it will only set the properties to whatever is in /etc/sysctl.conf
[16:39] <Gargoyle> diddledan, so I'm following this post http://scie.nti.st/2008/3/14/amazon-s3-and-connection-reset-by-peer/
[16:39] <diddledan> so if you manually set something which isn't mentioned in the sysctl.conf then that will remain set
[16:39] <daftykins> hello all
[16:40] <daftykins> i can officially recommend the BitFenix Comrade as a very nice budget case - £25!
[16:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5c535s9knaxtrjn/AAC5wT3RKy-ip5zE6HbXOxQ8a
[16:42] <diddledan> in soviet russia, fenix bit you
[16:42] <daftykins> :D
[16:43] <daftykins> also, i just benchmarked a 32GB Team Group USB 3.0 flash drive which cost £14.99
[16:43] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u4oe2bkpy8m3ls0/teamgroup32GB.png
[16:43] <diddledan> does that tower-heat-sink actually fit?
[16:44] <daftykins> yes :D
[16:44] <daftykins> by the skin of its' teeth
[16:44] <diddledan> lol
[16:44] <diddledan> it certainly looks tight
[16:44] <daftykins> that's my main clients old Core 2 Quad setup which had some of the onboard USB get fried in a lightning strike
[16:44] <daftykins> the whole setup works, but i had to get a PCI USB controller card to make it workable with modern peripherals
[16:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/flu2rbdiaxyk5hi/IMG_20140709_160758.jpg
[16:45] <daftykins> i've been using it like this for a veeeeery long time
[16:45] <diddledan> lol
[16:45] <daftykins> i turn it on by bridging the IO pins with the rear panel IO shield XD
[16:45] <diddledan> >.<
[16:45] <daftykins> but now, no longer! luxury has been attained!
[16:46] <diddledan> \o/
[16:46] <daftykins> only 4GB RAM, also the PSU is mine
[16:46] <diddledan> :-D
[16:46] <daftykins> so i've decided i'm commandeering the whole lot ;)
[16:46] <diddledan> :-p
[16:46] <daftykins> 120GB OCZ Vertex 2 SSD as well
[16:46] <diddledan> :-o
[16:47] <daftykins> bit of a shame i had to route the ATX 12V+ up under the cards
[16:47] <daftykins> i actually had to remove all the motherboard screws again just to plug that one in >_<
[16:48] <diddledan> motherboard screws, or rather those standoffs they screw into are the bane of my existence
[16:48] <daftykins> but yes, that machine is actually a graphics card away from being a gaming box i'd say
[16:48] <daftykins> hahaha
[16:48] <daftykins> do you have some loose ones that spin infinitely underneath the board?
[16:48] <diddledan> I almost always get at least one cross-threaded meaning that unscrewing it actually unscrews the standoff rather than the screw
[16:49] <diddledan> yeah, I have those too
[16:49] <daftykins> d'aww
[16:49] <daftykins> back in Athlon XP time, i had a huge Alpha PAL8045 heatsink that used to do that with its' bolts... BEHIND the motherboard >_<
[16:49] <daftykins> "right, whole board out"
[16:49] <diddledan> I've got several old boards lying around with one or more screw+standoff combos still attached because they were so meshed
[16:50] <daftykins> i actually got a tad confused with this machine, as it had just 3 standoffs in the screw set
[16:50] <daftykins> WAT you could hear me saying from down the road
[16:50] <diddledan> o_O
[16:50] <diddledan> what?
[16:50] <diddledan> now you got me confuddled
[16:50] <daftykins> but all the mounts were actually... risen metal, if you catch me
[16:50] <diddledan> aah
[16:51] <diddledan> nice
[16:51] <diddledan> that's a better way of doing cricket
[16:51] <daftykins> only if you have the exact layout mobo to use them of course :)
[16:51] <diddledan> true
[16:51] <daftykins> which thankfully this was, all 9 matched
[16:52] <mapps> dunno why festivals dont just let everyone do legal highs
[16:52] <mapps> they wanna do it..who cares
[16:52] <daftykins> in fact that build i did the other day, had the classic board-goes-wider situation :(
[16:52] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jazd5jjtubq7w2k/IMG-20140702-WA0009.jpg
[16:52] <daftykins> so i had to plug in SATA whilst holding it to prevent splitting
[16:52] <daftykins> well, legal highs are actually mentally incapacitating kids and killing others
[16:52] <daftykins> so... i'd say that's a good enough reason not to permit them :)
[16:53] <mapps> its legal tho
[16:53] <mapps> smoking kills but its legal
[16:53] <daftykins> they're banned over here due to the above
[16:53] <daftykins> hey guys did you hear what happened in the Channel Islands earlier today!?
[16:53] <diddledan> nupe?
[16:53] <diddledan> not had the n00se on
[16:53] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-28266736
[16:53] <daftykins> EARTHQUAKE!
[16:53] <mapps> woah
[16:53] <mapps> i wanna say cool in a way heh
[16:53] <diddledan> holy bajeepers
[16:54] <Gargoyle> I'm getting "error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.tcp_wmem'" when trying "sysctl -p", google is not helping much and root has rw on /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem and tcp_rmem
[16:54] <diddledan> that's a biiiig squiggle
[16:54] <mapps> i wouldnt bother doing them anyway..why would i..ive heard the side affects can be awful..and as u say deaths etc at least with ecstacy you know what to expect
[16:54] <diddledan> Gargoyle: run it with sudo
[16:54] <mapps> Gargoyle sudo in front of cmd
[16:54] <daftykins> i nipped out for 2 mins to buy lunch from a shop around the corner, got back to the clients place to find them all finding out what exploded and describing the house shook
[16:54] <Gargoyle> I am running it as root
[16:54] <mapps> oh
[16:55] <diddledan> mapps: ecstasy usually involves a certain amount of rat poison
[16:55] <diddledan> yey for dealers "making it go further"
[16:55] <mapps> well if itdoesnt i mean;p
[16:56] <Gargoyle> Is it valid for me to try and echo the values into the file?
[16:56] <diddledan> Gargoyle: how do you mean?
[16:56] <daftykins> that's how /proc modifications usually are done, yes
[16:56] <Gargoyle> diddledan: echo 4096 16384 512000 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem
[16:57] <diddledan> aah, I see
[16:57] <Gargoyle> :(
[16:57] <Gargoyle> permission denied
[16:59] <diddledan> try `sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_wmem="4096 16384 512000"`
[17:00] <Gargoyle> permission denied on key... (this is 11.04 on kern 2.6.32 BTW)
[17:01] <diddledan> in that case I'd recommend upgrading to a more recent edition of ubuntu (one that's still supported) and trying again
[17:01] <Gargoyle> diddledan: Yeah. tell me about it.
[17:02] <diddledan> 11.04 is 3.25 years old now
[17:02] <diddledan> we've had two LTS editions since then
[17:02] <Gargoyle> However in the real-world, we sometime have to make old shit work while we prep the new systems.
[17:02] <daftykins> hang on you're futzing with something EOL?
[17:03] <daftykins> now, i speak as a masochist myself... but why would you do that? :)
[17:03] <Gargoyle> Currently my task list is: 1.) fix db backups. 2.) Roll-out new servers. In that order.
[17:05] <Gargoyle> Although, the same command seems to have successfully uploaded stuff yesterday. :(
[17:05] <daftykins> i guess you only know once you restore and test
[17:22] <Gargoyle> ah ha. Seems its a bug in s3cmd...
[17:32] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2af247/gnulinux_survey_to_find_overlap_between_distros/ "interesting" survey
[17:42] <ali1234> popey: was it you that downvoted every arch post?
[17:43] <popey> haha, no
[17:43] <popey> didnt notice the voting
[17:43] <ali1234> i m going to downvote everyone who said the use gnome because lolz
[17:44] <daftykins> and this is why i don't touch reddit
[17:44] <popey> wow, i can think of better reasons not to use reddit
[17:47] <popey> i thought you could see who up/downvoted stuff
[17:48] <ali1234> no
[17:49] <daftykins> popey: i was more going for that pesky people have pesky opinions! :D
[17:49] <popey> oh
[17:50] <ali1234> there, finished
[17:52] <daftykins> troll status increased
[17:57] <ali1234> is anyone here a C++ expert?
[17:57] <diddledan> isn;t the whole point of C++ that nobody is an expert?
[17:57] <ali1234> i dunno
[17:57] <ali1234> if i say to you "placement new" and you know what that is, i'd consider you an expert
[17:57] <diddledan> i.e. it's so complicated noone can rightfully say they know anything about it
[17:58] <ali1234> so if i allocate some memory with ::operator new, how am i supposed to deallocate it?
[17:58] <diddledan> doesn't it deallocate once out of scope? o_O
[17:58] <ali1234> can't be "just call free on it" and delete doesn't make sense either
[17:58] <ali1234> no, this is C++ not C#
[17:59] <ali1234> i would ask in ##C++ but they'll demand to know my life story before helping me
[17:59] <diddledan> lol
[17:59] <diddledan> yeah, thems clever folk *tut*
[18:00] <daftykins> at least you didn't say they'd assume you're doing Uni homework
[18:00] <daftykins> that's always the coding channel classic
[18:00] <diddledan> indeed
[18:00] <diddledan> I usually assume the same when I see coding questions on linkedin
[18:01] <diddledan> like "when should I use $this in php"
[18:01] <diddledan> seriously, there are questions as inane as that
[18:02] <daftykins> that's beyond me, i don't do code
[18:02] <diddledan> if you did you'd probably appreciate that it's standard fare following the same principles in other languages
[18:03] <daftykins> i'd hope so.
[18:03] <daftykins> i fudged my way through Java at Uni but i did so by just looking and hacking rather than truly learning
[18:03] <diddledan> it's an Object-Oriented thing - outside the "object" you refer to it by it's name, but inside you refer to itself as "$this"
[18:03] <daftykins> oic
[18:04] <diddledan> it's kinda like you refer to yourself as me or I
[18:04] <diddledan> $this is the same
[18:04] <daftykins> why's that better than referring by name all the time?
[18:04] <diddledan> scope. inside the object it has no idea what you called it
[18:05] <daftykins> ah
[18:07] <diddledan> objects have two identifiers, see. the first is the "type" of object (apple) and the second is the instance name (fred)
[18:07] <diddledan> so you can have many apples all with different names
[18:07] <diddledan> but they all back onto the same code so the code doesn't know which apple it is
[19:17] <SuperEngineer> Anyone able to helpme recover ubuntu restoredpartion?
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> Had to restore from backup - grub reinstalled but U14.04 not in list
[19:19] <diddledan_> arr, thems be partions of chips, eh?
[19:19] <SuperEngineer> on doing an update grub - where ubuntu should appear in list is "no volume groups found"
[19:19] <diddledan_> :-p
[19:19] <SuperEngineer> m/me thinks he his in a reinstal from scratch :(
[19:20] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: partittions!  :D
[19:20] <diddledan_> :-p
[19:20] <diddledan_> I was being yokel
[19:20] <SuperEngineer> ooo arrr
[19:21] <diddledan_> what's the difference between a city fire engine and a country fire engine?
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> two horses
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> ...but this ain't gettin me booted into ubuntu
[19:22] <diddledan_> nah, a city engine goes NEENAANEENAANEENAA whereas a country one goes "oo arr... oo arr... oo arr.."
[19:22] <SuperEngineer> ...but this ain't gettin me booted into ubuntu
[19:22] <diddledan_> I was deflecting the question because I don't know
[19:22] <SuperEngineer> [guessed]
[19:22] <diddledan_> hopefully someone else can help
[19:23] <SuperEngineer> "no volume groups found" - is the3re a way around this to save a reinstall?
[19:24] <diddledan_> did you install onto LVM?
[19:24] <SuperEngineer> nope
[19:24] <diddledan_> hmm, 'cos that's what it's moaning it can't find
[19:25] <diddledan_> grub has got scary
[19:25] <diddledan_> I used to be able to work 1.x blindfold but 2.x is a mystery to me
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> it was - & is again - on normal primary partition sda2 [with home partition on extended partition]
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> this *should have been safe*  :D
[19:26] <diddledan_> is /dev and /proc and /sys mounted?
[19:27] <diddledan_> grub-update requires those to figure out what's where
[19:27] <diddledan_> I'm assuming you're in the live dvd?
[19:28] <diddledan_> slash usb
[19:28] <SuperEngineer> [I'm currently on netbook]  the mess up is on desktop - inspecting it with reserve op sys [mint 16]
[19:29] <diddledan_> which os do you want to handle grub?
[19:29] <SuperEngineer> ubuntu
[19:29] <diddledan_> ok, mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[19:29] <diddledan_> mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc
[19:29] <diddledan_> mount -t sys sysfs /mnt/sys
[19:29] <diddledan_> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
[19:30] <SuperEngineer> have tried from boot rescue cd, from 999 partition
[19:30] <diddledan_> chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[19:30] <diddledan_> cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab
[19:31] <diddledan_> if you have a separate boot partition mount it with mount /boot
[19:31] <diddledan_> and finally grub-update
[19:31] <diddledan_> or is that update-grub?
[19:31] <diddledan_> try both :-p
[19:31] <diddledan_> there might be a 2 in the name for grub2
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> hmm... "/mnt/proc is a symbolic linkto nowhere"
[19:32] <diddledan_> ooh, that's not right
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> darn right it's not
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> ...reinstal time methinks
[19:32] <diddledan_> it should be an empty folder before it's mounted
[19:34]  * SuperEngineer tries from live cd - tpas fingies will it loads
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> *taps
[19:37]  * SuperEngineer still taps fingies ......
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> [can't help thinking I should have hit "install" instead of "try" :)
[19:39] <diddledan_> lol
[19:41] <SuperEngineer> nah!  still "mount point /mnt/proc is a symbolic link to nowhere"
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> ooo that's not helpful: [live cd] "grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path '/cow'"
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> yuk!
[19:46] <foobarry> wow, too much scrollback since 5pm
[19:50] <diddledan_> moo
[19:54]  * SuperEngineer bits bullet & goes for reinstall :(
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> ...guess I'd better have a beer while it does it's bit ;)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> bits, bullets & beer?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like an American LUG meeting
[20:17] <diddledan_> lol
[20:17] <diddledan_> http://www.opposingviews.com/i/gallery/society/20-hilarious-childrens-spelling-mistakes
[20:20] <diddledan_> I'm sure some of those were either coerced or faked
[23:35] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2d9QZFdW8uQ#t=31
[23:36] <daftykins> Joe 90 theme tune, aww yeah
[23:59] <diddledan_> I've made a thing
[23:59] <diddledan_> :-p
[23:59] <diddledan_> http://diddledan.github.io/banner-bar/ <-- effectively just an encapsulation of div-soup