[00:13] <kubuntard> Can i upgrade from 12.04.4 lts to 14.04 and keep the same kernel ?
[00:35] <tsimpson> kubuntard: the currently running kernel shouldn't be removed, but newer software may depend on a newer kernel to implement certain features
[00:36] <kubuntard> tsimpson: Right now im boned because tw68-v2 driver wont build on newer kernels and 12.04{,.4} my sound doesnt work (but it does on 14.04 where i cant compile the driver i have to have) Sucks.
[00:37] <kubuntard> Either lose my cameras or my audio surveillance. Not good
[02:16] <riano> howdy folks, any xorg heros around? I'm having some very annoying issues with a multihead setup
[02:17] <sithlord48> im no hero.... never was......
[02:17] <sithlord48> whats wrong riano?
[02:19] <riano> ok, so. I've got a Dell XPS15, the l521x. Nvidia optimus. HDMI port that is linked to the intel card, DP port that's hooked to the nvidia port
[02:19] <riano> I've switched to using nvidia-prime (hooray) to get that dp working properly and I'm very merrily chatting away on my new monitor.. The thing here is though, when I move my mouse to the right (laptop screen) my desktop .. moves
[02:20] <riano> the external (DP) monitor and laptop monitor aren't seen as separate screens I think, but for the life of me, I can't figure out whats what with that xorg config file
[02:21] <riano> utter bonuspoints are rewarded for also getting the HDMI port to work as a separate screen rather than a clone of the laptop screen, which is its default behavior when the DP is in use
[02:22] <sithlord48> properitay nvidia driver?
[02:23] <riano> 340 from xorg-edgers, had the 331 but my troubles were even bigger then
[02:25] <sithlord48> well since nvidia-settings is going to make your xorg.conf for you. you may wish to start by trying to set those setting in "nvidia-settings"
[02:25] <riano> done and tried, sadly
[02:25] <riano> it doesn't find my laptop screen
[02:25] <riano> just shows the external monitor
[02:25] <sithlord48> and you have run it as root via something like kdesudo nvidia-settings?
[02:26] <riano> I'm happy to give that a go, been running it as a regular user so far. hold on
[02:26] <riano> no difference
[02:27] <sithlord48> nvidia-settings wants to write you xorg.conf file and in order to have the settings stick you need to be root (at least last time i used it this was true)
[02:30] <riano> the file it generates just has the ext. monitor in it though. I'm assuming its because the laptop screen is hooked up to the intel chip, as well as the HDMI port
[02:31] <sithlord48> that is possible . do you maybe have option(s) to change this behavor in your bios?
[02:31] <riano> I do not :/
[02:31] <sithlord48> and with out the ext monitor what does nvidia settings want to do ?
[02:32] <riano> interesting question
[02:32] <riano> lets try, hold on
[02:32] <riano> heh, no screen at all in nvidia-settings
[02:33] <sithlord48> and you have this display working now ?
[02:33] <riano> the laptop screen? Yes, it was working already, just weirdly
[02:33] <sithlord48> what does System Settings -> display and monitor . show for displays?
[02:34] <riano> shows them both
[02:34] <riano> or just the laptop right now
[02:34] <sithlord48> have you attempted to set it this way ? (it should fail because of your xorg.conf / properitary driver but hey)
[02:35] <riano> set it which way?
[02:35] <sithlord48> system settings
[02:36] <riano> I have, but to no avail. The interface works, but thats about it, the outcome is very flaky, at best
[02:36] <riano> interestingly, when I reconnect my dp cable now both the laptop screen and monitor go into sleep mode
[02:37] <sithlord48> so when you say your desktop moves.. like the ext monitor shuts off then you get the screen on the laptops built in one?
[02:38] <riano> its like, the desktop is too big for the monitor. So when I move the mouse to the right edge, the desktop actually slides left to show whats to the right
[02:39] <sithlord48> can you also give me a link to your xorg.conf http://paste.kde.org
[02:39] <riano> of course, let me restart X though, hoping that'll bring my monitor back online
[02:39] <riano> brb
[02:42] <riano> sithlord48: http://paste.kde.org/p84hoxkxj
[02:42] <riano> I can show you the crazy behavior if I can find an app that will record my desktop..
[02:43] <sithlord48> im guessing the external is a higher resolution then the built in screen..
[02:43] <riano> yup
[02:43] <sithlord48> the external is your main screen? then you are in clone mode and the laptop will pan around to follow the mouse.
[02:44] <riano> ext is main, I have no idea what the rest meant ;)
[02:44] <riano> it's closing in on 5am for me, I'm down to simple words :P
[02:44] <sithlord48> this is normal behavor . for the mode your screens are in.
[02:45] <riano> oh, good!
[02:45] <riano> so how do I get them to behave differently?
[02:45] <sithlord48> nvidia-settings under the section with displays iirc.  or manually in the xorg.conf .
[02:46] <sithlord48> its been awhile since i have had to manually write an xorg.conf or used nvidia-settings so im trying to find the info for you now.
[02:49] <sithlord48> riano:  you should try moving the xinerama option line to the server layout block
[02:49] <riano> wth, the screen recording software doesn't see the screen move
[02:49] <riano> on it
[02:50] <riano> do you know if xorg.conf gets reloaded on logout, or do I need to reboot entirely?
[02:50] <sithlord48> it should restart X when the login screen gets showed.
[02:51] <riano> okidoki, brb again
[02:52] <riano> no difference, sadly :/
[02:52] <sithlord48> riano: you can use 'sudo /etc/init.d/lightDM restart' to force the login manager to restart (that will restart X )
[02:52] <sithlord48> instead of rebooting fully
[02:53] <riano> will that kill kdm as well?
[02:53] <sithlord48> if your replace lightDM with kdm then yes it will stop it then restart it  (you will lose your current loged in session)
[02:54] <riano> alright
[02:55] <sithlord48> while this is not ubuntu it may be still helpfull for xorg info.
[02:55] <sithlord48> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#Multiple_monitors
[02:57] <sithlord48> riano:  this might be even more useful referance for xorg.conf  http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8756/README/appendix-d.html
[02:58] <function9> I'm using a laptop connected to a vga (big screen)
[02:58] <riano> interesting, "If the driver doesn't properly detect a second monitor, you can force it to do so with ConnectedMonitor."
[02:59] <sithlord48> thought you would liek that part riano :D
[02:59] <sithlord48> function9:  do you need help ?? or just saying that you do this ?
[03:00] <riano> they're so close with nvidia-prime now, it's almost out of the box at this point. Alas, almost is never far enough :D
[03:00] <function9> sithlord48: I was going to ask about intel drivers, is that part of the MESA driver from Xorg?
[03:01] <sithlord48> function9: there are only one set of intel drivers for linux . the open source ones.
[03:01] <function9> or SGI rather??
[03:02] <function9> oh ok ty
[03:09] <riano_> no joy :/
[03:10] <sithlord48> sorry riano_ :(
[03:10] <riano_> no worries, appreciate the help!
[03:16] <sithlord48> riano_:  your welcome. i wish i could have been more helpful. i think part of your problems is that hybrid gfx set up .
[03:16] <riano_> probably so!
[03:16] <riano_> I'm gonna go close my eyes for a bit
[03:17] <riano_> thanks again sithlord48 :)
[03:17] <riano_> sithlord48++
[03:17] <riano_> karma ftw
[03:17] <sithlord48> riano_:  good luck and your welcome
[03:17] <sithlord48> riano|afk:   and let me know how it goes here or on kubuntufourms.net
[03:32] <function9> I'm currently testing out the latest kubuntu 64bit, on Vbox. I've been getting the occasional Segfault with Amarok. Also with the USB Start Up Creator, when I click on the close button on the top right corner of the app, it would always Segfaul, but if I click the Quit button, it works fine. I'm doing a system upgrade hopefully this would fix most of the issues. http://i.imgur.com/MnrdkzI.png
[04:18] <function9> well so I did a system upgrade, and that seemed to have fixed all of my segfaults. :) There is one thing when I press Right Ctrl (key) and F(key), to enlarge the screen in vbox, the alt F2 function activates?http://i.imgur.com/dWnWtRn.jpg
[04:18] <function9> I'm not sure what's going on there?
[04:34] <temje> hey folks. just did a fresh install of kubuntu and when i try to change the driver through driver manager nothing happens
[04:34] <temje> it just reloads and shoes nouveau selected
[04:34] <temje> shows*
[04:39] <function9> temje: which gfx card do you have?
[04:40] <temje> nvidia
[04:40] <temje> 9800gtx+
[04:44] <function9> temje: here ya go http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/install-nvidia-geforce-driver-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04-using-ppa/
[04:45] <temje> function9: thanks a mil!
[05:59] <function9> hmm, I tried to install some icons, and it wouldn't install any of the ones I selected, this is on kubuntu 14. anyone else get the same issue?
[06:00] <valorie> install icons?
[06:00] <valorie> not sure exactly what you mean, function9
[06:00] <valorie> can you explain what you did, and what went wrong?
[06:01] <function9> valorie: on system settings/ Application Appearance/ Icons/ Get New Themes
[06:02] <function9> It's not allowing to install any of the themes. I tried several choices, but none is being installed
[06:03] <function9> Icons rather
[06:03] <valorie> ah
[06:03] <valorie> no error messages?
[06:04] <function9> no
[06:05] <function9> I'm just testing kubuntu, to make sure everything is working fine, before I proceed installing it on one of pc's
[06:06] <valorie> ah, if it isn't installed, there is no place to save the icon/theme to
[06:06] <valorie> I just changed contrast, and it worked
[06:06] <function9> ohh ok
[06:30] <function9> valorie: I just checked in /usr/share/icons and it turns out I have a lot of themes saved there, but it's not showing up in the menu to select. So I tried to do a manual install and this is what I get. http://i.imgur.com/VPpzuaW.png
[06:31] <valorie> ah, you are running in a VM
[06:32] <valorie> in that case you should indeed be able to download and save an icon set
[06:32] <function9> valorie: this is my LinuxMint and it works fine http://i.imgur.com/KJzltZZ.png
[06:32] <valorie> however, that doesn't mean that all of them will work -- either because of a bad download, old code, etc.
[06:32] <valorie> I suggest trying another of them
[06:32]  * valorie goes off to watch a movie
[06:33] <valorie> best of luck, function9
[06:33] <function9> thanks
[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:00] <function9> lordievader: hi
[09:00] <lordievader> Hey function9, how are you?
[09:30] <function9> lordievader: yeah, all good, thank you. And yourself?
[09:34] <Gregor3000> hwo do i change the colour of icon and text in the taskbar
[09:34] <Gregor3000> at the moment is' white on whitish background and deosn't loko good at all. i can barely see the clock
[09:36] <Gregor3000> eh.. doesn't look good
[09:39] <lordievader> function9: Doing good, trying to debug an issue with libvirt.
[09:39] <function9> right click on the clock, click on Digital Clock Settings/ Font Color
[09:41] <function9> Gregor3000: there are window themes aswell, that you can install to suite your liking. http://i.imgur.com/Ixk8hwm.png
[09:42] <Gregor3000> i know. i like the default oxygen theme but woudl just like to have indicators and clock in different colour.  i might try and install the opensuse theme that one is also very nice.
[09:44] <function9> Gregor3000: this is the place to be: http://kde-look.org/ :) bbl
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:54] <MichaelP> after apt-get dist-upgrade....
[10:54] <MichaelP> dolphin
[10:54] <MichaelP> dolphin: error while loading shared libraries: libKF5BalooFiles.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:54] <MichaelP> sorrt the 3 lines
[13:16] <MarcoPau> hi, my kubuntu has gotten a little too big, over 10 gigs. do you have any hints in order to re-order it? I have checked some web pages with some how-to's but those didn't help much
[13:25] <MarcoPau> my usr is like 7 gigs... anybody has hints?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  run apt-get autoclean and autoremove periodically
[13:46] <BluesKaj> some users also use apt-get clean
[13:48] <Roey> what'st the difference between clean and autoclean?
[13:48] <Roey> hey all
[13:49] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: I do those simple things often. My problem is mainly the /usr directory which is far too big. I have used deborphan too but still this helped too little
[13:50] <MarcoPau> I assume I have something like at least 2-3 gigs too erase... I think this installation is at least 10 years old... :-)
[13:50] <meriutacornel> MarcoPau install and run bleachbit
[13:51] <MarcoPau> meriutacornel: multumesc :-)
[13:51] <legba> tale, even
[13:52] <BluesKaj> haven't used bleachbit since it broke my setup. That was a while back tho
[13:53] <MarcoPau> Roey: iirc clean will erase deb files, autoclean old dependencies or stuff like that. just google
[13:53] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: wow, nice :)
[13:53] <Roey> thanks MarcoPau
[13:55] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  which deb files ?
[13:55] <MarcoPau> the ones in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[13:58] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  if so then those files weren't needed on my system since all is well atm
[13:58] <daum_> hey guys i just updated yesterday which included a kernel update
[13:58] <daum_> now my sound and wifi doesn't wokr
[13:58] <daum_> it doesn't even see my wifi card
[14:00] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: I don't understand what you mean
[14:00] <meriutacornel> daum, boot from the previous kernel.
[14:01] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  I don't understand what you mean either since whatever deb files are no longer needed won't affect your system
[14:01] <BluesKaj> daum_,  which soundchip in alsamixer and which wifi chip ?
[14:02] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: I was answering Roey to the question about apt-get clean saying that, iirc, it erases those deb files
[14:02] <daum_> BluesKaj, hmm not sure on the ethernet, looks like some intel chip? http://dpaste.com/1NR991S  is my lspci
[14:03] <daum_> c210 for audio it seems
[14:03] <daum_> also noticed that the battery monitor can't start when i start up kde
[14:03] <daum_> and sec - realized when i went to just now run apt-get upgrade that dpkg says it was was interrupted
[14:04] <daum_> so its finishing up will try a reboot after it finishes
[14:05] <daum_> brb
[14:05] <BluesKaj> daum ok if your audio still isn't working , run, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel , there won't be any text output after that command
[14:06] <BluesKaj> too late
[14:09] <daum_> wuwu that worked
[14:16] <BluesKaj> daum_,  so your audio and wifi are ok
[14:17] <daum_> BluesKaj, yep the update must of crashed somewhere and not prperlty finished
[14:18] <daum_> dpkg-configure -a fixed it
[14:18] <BluesKaj> right
[14:22] <function9> guys I tested this kubuntu 14 with superkaramba on a PC, and also on vbox. The superkaramba theme is able to get a readout of my network usuage(upload) and(download) stats. So I know it Kubuntu and Superkaramba works well. So I installed kubuntu on this laptop, and there is no reading at all on my network usuage. :(
[14:23] <function9> I even try to do it manually on the terminal with this command sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | awk '/RX byte/{print $3 $4; print $7 $8}'  result is always 0.0Bytes
[14:23] <function9> anyone know why this is not working?
[14:25] <fuzzywhirlpool> Maybe you don't use network connection at all.
[14:27] <fuzzywhirlpool> Ifconfig has been deprecated. Try 'ip -s link' instead
[14:29] <function9> fuzzywhirlpool, the theme works on my Computer(fresh install), and it also works on VirtualBox, it just doesn't work on this laptop(fresh install).
[14:29] <BluesKaj> fuzzywhirlpool,  ifconfig works fine here
[14:29] <function9> all fresh install
[14:29] <function9> it's something about this laptop
[14:30] <BluesKaj> and I'm running 14.10
[14:32] <function9> just so that you know what I'm talking about. Superkaramba theme is on the right corner with Stats. Network Stats are not working http://i.imgur.com/wO8aig3.png
[14:32] <BluesKaj> function9,  are you on wifi?
[14:32] <function9> BluesKaj, I got both, but I'm using eth0 (network card)
[14:33] <fuzzywhirlpool> function9: you may need to edit the source code of the theme.
[14:33] <function9> fuzzywhirlpool, i'm in the process of doing so. :(
[14:34] <BluesKaj> function9,  have you looked at netstat
[14:35] <fuzzywhirlpool> Is Superkaramba worth using? Is it still being developed or is it just an abandoned project?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> eye candy
[14:40] <function9> sorry guys I was on the phone
[14:40] <function9> BluesKaj, yes netstat works
[14:41] <BluesKaj> maybe netstat can give you the info
[14:44] <function9> brb
[16:12] <kubuntard> Ahoy. I've upgraded my 12.04.4 to 14.04, successfully managing to keep 3.2.0 kernel which i have to have for my video capture device (tw68v2 driver). Problem is, still unable to get any sound out of this machine. analog audio is disabled, trying to use the nvidia hdmi audio that uses snd-hda-intel driver according to google (which is loaded, etc). Mixer controls are spdif out n nothing more, no levels etc
[16:15] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  which audio chip showing in alsamixer?
[16:15] <kubuntard> On 12.04 sound never worked, on 14.04 directly installed it worked out of the box. I'm suspecting the problem sadly comes from using this old kernel still.. Any way i can try different older kernel versions from ubuntu (pae-generic or pae-lowlatency) and try to isolate when it starts failing to build? Idea being get to the newest kernel that still can make it build (tw68-v2 driver for techwell tw6804 chip)
[16:15] <kubuntard> BluesKaj: Card HDA NVidia  | Chip Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI
[16:16] <kubuntard> I wouldnt mind getting to a newer kernel version, i just knew 3.2.0 the driver successfully built. kernel api changes have happened since then which cause the (out-of-tree) driver to fail building
[16:17] <kubuntard> i know somewhere before say 3.6.x it quite building
[16:18] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  run aplay and pastebin the output pls
[16:18] <kubuntard> aplay -l?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> aplay -l
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:19] <kubuntard>  **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[16:24] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  try this, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel.c
[16:26] <kubuntard> BluesKaj: already loaded, only thing relevant really in dmesg is [   33.325674] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:07.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  so it is the intel-hda
[16:28] <BluesKaj> then it should work sinc it looks like it loaded, a commaon bug with intel-hda drivers on kubuntu, won't load after an upgrade
[16:30] <kubuntard> I vaguely remember at one point i had it working something with iecset, but always had issues with sound on this machine until 14.04 -- Wondering if its the snd-hda-intel driver has gotten changes somewhere along the way that fixed it
[16:33] <BluesKaj> think there's much improved linux support on intel's part nowadays
[17:16] <marcovic> ciao
[17:16] <marcovic> sono nuovo nel canale
[17:17] <marcovic> volevo sapere come su fa a scaricare i film qui su mirc
[17:17] <lordievader> !it | marcovic
[19:01] <jignesh> hello people
[19:02] <function9> hi
[19:05] <lordievader> o/
[19:30] <function9> I have a PC, a virtual box guest, both fresh install and works well. But on this laptop(fresh install kubuntu 14.04) when I am watching youtube, and open up a terminal and type this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'RX byte' | awk '{print $3 OFS $4}' I get 0 reading
[19:30] <function9> but on my PC and virtual box guest I get a reading.
[19:31] <function9> what could the cause of this be?
[19:34] <function9> BluesKaj, wb
[19:35] <BluesKaj> thanks function9
[19:35] <function9> BluesKaj, it's not superkaramba, your hunch was right
[19:36] <function9> I have a PC, a virtual box guest, both fresh install and works well. But on this laptop(fresh install kubuntu 14.04) when I am watching youtube, and open up a terminal and type this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'RX byte' | awk '{print $3 OFS $4}' I get 0 reading
[19:36] <function9> but on my PC and virtual box guest I get a reading.
[19:36] <function9> what do you think is the cause?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> function9,  what exactly does that string do if it works, what's the expected output look like ?
[19:43] <function9> it shows how much you are downloading
[19:44] <function9> it works on my PC, and virtual guest both fresh install kubuntu 14.01
[19:45] <function9> err 14.04
[19:47] <luizlinux> hi
[19:47] <function9> hi
[19:48] <luizlinux> I have a laptop with 1GB of ram and 1.80 Ghz processor, Kubuntu will run well?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> function9,  it works on my desktop which uses ethernet , and if I change eth0 to wlan0, then it works with my laptop
[19:50] <function9> yeah, it's my laptop, but what is the cause?
[19:50] <function9> :(
[19:50] <BluesKaj> luizlinux,  it won't be superfast with 1G RAM, but very useable
[19:51] <BluesKaj> function9, change eth0 to wlan0
[19:51] <bprompt> luizlinux:    may want to consider Lubuntu methinks
[19:52] <BluesKaj> or check ifconfig to see what your ethernet designation is
[19:52] <BluesKaj> function9, ^
[19:52] <function9> 0
[19:52] <function9> ifconfig displays eth0 and wlan0
[19:53] <luizlinux>  thanks, I'll try, but I'm even considering using Lubuntu
[19:53] <lordievader> function9: You might want to check out iftop.
[19:53] <function9> internet is working well, I just need to get a reading from those devices
[19:53] <function9> lordievader, I'll check now
[19:54] <bprompt> luizlinux:    you run many kde apps I gather?  or you just want to run Kwin window manager?
[19:54] <function9> lordievader, iftop
[19:54] <function9> interface: eth0
[19:54] <function9> IP address is: 122.108.115.153
[19:54] <function9> MAC address is: 08:60:6e:50:92:97
[19:54] <function9> pcap_open_live(eth0): eth0: You don't have permission to capture on that device (socket: Operation not permitted)
[19:55] <lordievader> function9: You need to run it as root ;)
[19:56] <function9> lordievader, yeah it's reading as root
[19:57] <luizlinux> bprompt:  kwin just the same
[19:58] <bprompt> luizlinux:    hmmm why kwin, if I may ask :)    I mean, there are lots of good and great window managers out there really
[19:59] <bprompt> luizlinux:    I mean, I do run kubuntu and many kde apps, but I use LXDE as my window manager
[20:01] <luizlinux> yes  have very good window managers, but I adapted better to kwin
[20:02] <BluesKaj> I've heard good things about openbox, but never tried it myself
[20:02] <bprompt> BluesKaj:    lxde wm is openbox based
[20:03] <bprompt> luizlinux:     then...  well... depends... I guess... how about getting 1gb more of memory?     ddr2 I assume.....  should be cheap
[20:03] <BluesKaj> kwin has always worked well for me so I haven't bothered changing
[20:04] <bprompt> nothing wrong with it... just pointing out that other window managers will fare better with 1gb of ram, than kwin would, or compiz or unity for that matter
[20:06] <BluesKaj> yes understood ...I did run kwin a few yrs back with just 1G RAM and the speed was a bit slow and ponderous at times
[20:50] <Roey> hi all
[20:51] <Roey> Where are the settings for forcing windows to open in the foreground and not in the background?
[20:55] <MoonUnit`> right click the circle in the top left and select more actions
[22:37] <voa> Hi-Hi
[22:40] <voa> превед
[23:11] <skinux> What is the right command to upgrade when apt-get says there are upgrades available? Is it still 'apt-get upgrade' ?
[23:14] <Chaser> skinux: Yup. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.
[23:15] <em> apt-get update     followed by apt-get dist-upgrade is a little more aggressive.
[23:18] <em> The difference, I think, is that apt-get upgrade will find new packages but it will not do anything if the upgrade requires adding or removing packages. apt-get dist-upgrade will add and/or remove packages in order to get the new stuff.