soeegood morning06:24
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: libkubuntu continues to not be reviewed?06:34
lordievaderGood morning.07:43
Riddellapachelogger: ah yes maybe that's what I want to do this morning08:12
apacheloggeryou know08:16
apacheloggerpointless upgrades really annoy me08:16
apacheloggera lot08:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: is the homerun bzr branch not used anymore? if so, please remove it or something08:19
apacheloggerhello mister Quintasan08:35
apacheloggerScottK: bug 134147308:39
apachelogger  Uploading homerun_1.2.5-0ubuntu0.14.04.1_source.changes: done.08:39
ubottubug 1341473 in homerun (Ubuntu Utopic) "[SRU] homerun 1.2.5" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134147308:39
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.08:39
Riddellvoid Kubuntu::LanguagePrivate::transactionError() 09:14
Riddellauth error reply! 09:14
Riddellapachelogger: my plasma 5 desktop missing something that qapt needs?09:14
apacheloggerRiddell: yes09:16
Riddellmaybe I should just reinstall utopic, could test the locale changes while I'm at it09:17
apacheloggerI cannot find my fix for it though :@09:18
apacheloggerRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7792648/09:19
apacheloggerRiddell: I am actually not sure how to best go about this in kubuntu09:19
apacheloggerwe could possibly force all autostarts to /etc/xdg/autostart, but if they don't have proper onlyshowin=kde that will make them start everywhere (which is a controllable defect, a defect nonetheless)09:20
apachelogger-DKDE4_AUTOSTART_INSTALL_DIR="etc/xdg/autostart" as global option apparently09:22
apacheloggerstill needs a rebuild of the affected packages though09:22
apacheloggerit's a bit of a drag really09:22
apacheloggerupstream didn't want to deal with this, maybe you should poke them with a stick :P09:22
apacheloggerRiddell: http://markmail.org/thread/n7htglbcxjk3qcee09:24
Riddellapachelogger: hmm interesting09:27
Riddellcan we fix ksmserver to just look in the kde 4 dir?09:27
apacheloggerRiddell: we can set that XDG_ env var I mention in the mail09:27
Riddellany downside of that?09:28
apacheloggerthat still leaves the problem of what if we don't want a certain file in plasma509:28
Riddellpackage conflict then surely09:28
apacheloggermaybe, I have not looked what is affected09:28
apacheloggerperhaps the more reasonable approach would be to selectively manually copy/link the autostarts we know we need and want09:29
apacheloggerwhich is what I did with neon, then again neon doesn't have the luxury of conflicting with things, so that's the only reasonable option there ^^09:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: oi10:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: while we took into account multi-arch, we did not take into account lib transitions10:08
shadeslayerand stuff10:08
shadeslayer( re no -data packages )10:08
shadeslayerso now we can't have libkf5auth5 and libkf5auth5abi110:08
shadeslayeror atleast I don't think so10:08
shadeslayerlibkf5auth5 and libkf5auth5abi1 are not co installable because of locales?10:09
apacheloggerare we now dropping data packages for multiarch Oo10:09
apacheloggerlibkf5auth5abi1 cannot happen10:09
shadeslayerwhy not10:09
apacheloggerkauth is a framework and abi stable, if upstream breaks abi there'll be auth610:09
shadeslayerits not like upstream hasn't broken ABI before10:09
shadeslayerand gone yolo10:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: upstream now has CI that detects ABI breakage10:10
apacheloggerat any rate10:10
shadeslayermmm .. not that I know of10:10
apacheloggerwhy are we removing data packages from libs?10:10
yofeldoesn't change the fact that auth5 and auth6 won't be co-installable10:10
apacheloggeryofel: they need to be as they are libsies10:10
* yofel only ever commented on multiarch, locales should never be in libs10:10
yofelapachelogger: right10:10
apacheloggerdata packagaes make sense for libs10:11
apacheloggerthey do not make sense for 99% of application packages10:11
shadeslayer^^ something that I reckon was decided on Friday10:12
shadeslayerso, should I revert?10:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: yofel ^^10:18
shadeslayerlooking at https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers , all of the data packages were dropped10:19
yofelwhy did we drop them again? apachelogger complaining about ETOOMNY packages?10:20
apacheloggerthat was about workspace though, not frameworks10:20
apacheloggereitherway, as I said, there is not supposed to be ABI breakage so I don't think the data packages are strictly necessary10:21
shadeslayerso basically10:23
shadeslayerall of tier 1 has data packages10:23
shadeslayertier 2 most likely doesn't, I haven't checked all of them yet10:23
yofeldidn't you say all were dropped?10:23
shadeslayerseems quite inconsistent10:23
shadeslayernot for tier 110:23
yofeladd them back IMO, at least to the point where libfooX only has 2 files in it10:23
yofelthey're not strictly needed indeed, but I would rather not end up having to add a transitional package like for analitza10:25
shadeslayeralso, sgclark messed up changelogs for tier 1 :(10:25
yofelI get the feeling that she's not using dch..10:26
apacheloggertoo many tools I say10:28
apacheloggertoo many10:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: what's the messup though?10:28
yofelthis *is* linux :P10:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kcompletion/revision/3810:29
shadeslayeryofel: \o/ from last night10:31
shadeslayermuch fun was had10:32
shadeslayereveryone was cheering for Germany at the pub10:32
yofelit was fun how many people had fireworks left in the basement ^^10:32
shadeslayeralso, the pub's name was quite oxymoronic10:33
shadeslayer"The Quiet Man" -> wasn't quite quiet10:33
BluesKaj'Morning folks10:36
shadeslayermuch fun10:38
shadeslayersgclark removed the data package, but not the dep on the data package :p10:38
apacheloggertime for CI? :P10:39
shadeslayeryes plz10:39
yofeltime for making debuild actually fail hard on lintian ^^10:39
shadeslayerthoughts on replacing a build dep on qt5-default with a export QT_SELECT=5 in debian/rules10:55
shadeslayerhurray, kauth tests don't actually run11:08
yofelsure they do, but anything that needs that extra cmake parameter needs a special setup11:10
yofelso most frameworks tests are useless for us11:10
shadeslayerno they don't 11:11
shadeslayerthe second test waits for a dbus interface to be available11:12
shadeslayerand that interface is only provided by the package11:12
shadeslayerand since the package isn't installed11:12
shadeslayerso the dbus interface never comes up11:12
yofelright, works fine if you build it, install it, set it up and run the tests11:12
shadeslayerala autopkgtests :)11:13
yofelpitti will be happy :P11:13
shadeslayer/tmp/buildd/kauth-5.0.0/debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kauth/helper/kauth_helper_plugin.so > that's currently in our bin package, sounds quite wrong11:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: prolly related to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33005811:13
ubottuKDE bug 330058 in general "klocalizedstringtest picks up wrong libKF5I18n.so" [Normal,Confirmed]11:13
* apachelogger wonders whether that bug should be moved to ECM11:13
yofelwhy is a plugin being in -bin wrong?11:13
yofelit's not a lib, so do you want to add an extra -plugins package?11:14
shadeslayerwell, it should be something like qtdeclarative5-kauth11:14
shadeslayeror not?11:14
apacheloggeryofel: most libraries that do work with plugins need at least one plugin to do anything11:14
apacheloggeror well, not crash or qcritical or something11:15
shadeslayerOne would think that -bin only has /usr/bin , /bin or /sbin11:15
apacheloggerso splitting out the plugin into a different package actually doesn't do anything11:15
yofelapachelogger: uh, how did I disagree with that o.O? sure they do11:15
apacheloggeralso, there's a two way ABI linkage there11:16
apacheloggeron the one hand the plugin implements the well defined interface of the lib, so if that changes (which is not part of the lib ABI fwiw) the plugin cannot be loaded anymore, and the other way around the plugin mostly will use the library itself to do stuff and so breakage of the actual lib ABI will also make the plugin unloadable11:17
yofelhm, yeah..11:18
yofelguess it doesn't really matter where they are then11:18
apacheloggerso if you have /plugin/bar.so as a plugin of /lib/foo.so.0 and foo breaks ABI on either end /plugin/bar.so cannot be loaded unless rebuilt against this new version11:19
yofelas long we never SRU a new ABI11:19
apacheloggeryou could split out bar.so but that doesn't do anything but allow foo to be installed11:19
shadeslayeryeah, I'm going to rename -bin to -plugins11:19
apacheloggerassuming bar is essential to foo the library will actually not do anything without bar, so you have a complicated problem anyway11:20
apacheloggerso IMO everyone is better served if a possible libfoo1 then actually conflicts with libfoo0 because when plugins are involved and the plugins actually conflict by name or path you have to do a full archive transition11:21
yofelhence why IMO plugins should have an ABI sub-dir, but nobody does that11:21
apacheloggerthe other option would be to drop the plugins from foo0 (which would then defunct the library) in order to be able to include the plugins of foo111:21
apacheloggerso it's very much a judgement call, what is better.. a library that does nothing and breaks the applications at runtime or a breakage on package level that prevents the applications from getting broken11:22
apacheloggeryofel: phonon does :P11:22
apacheloggerphonon even used to be forwards *and* backwards compatible, you could run a 4.0 backend with a 4.4 library despite the interface definition being divergent and you could run a 4.4 backend with a 4.0 library (as long as you did not use new lib api of course)11:24
shadeslayerthe question is, what does debian think11:24
apacheloggermuch madness had bene had there xD11:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: yofel so what's the situation with the plugin stuff11:35
apacheloggerI'd stuff it in with the lib11:37
sgclarkRiddell: good morning, I am finding some of the changelogs all history seems to be gone, does that seem right?12:20
sgclarkshadeslayer: ^ looks like this occurred when you released, history starts over when released?12:23
ScottKRiddell: It'd be nice to see kapidox out of New.12:52
RiddellScottK: gotcha, in a min13:08
Riddellsgclark: shadeslayer will have tidied up the history to make the changelog reflect the history of the package in the ubuntu archive rather than just in a PPA13:09
Riddellalthough I guess it could point to bzr for the back history13:09
sgclarkRiddell: so all of my hard work never happened? interesting.13:12
Riddellsgclark: of course it did!13:16
Riddellhe should have kept your name in the changelog13:17
Riddellshadeslayer: stop taking all scarlett's glory!13:17
sgclarkRiddell: ok so take a look kguiaddons, even bzr it is being removed13:17
sgclarkI am being erased from kf5 history and I am a very sad panda13:18
ScottKThe history is still there, right?13:19
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RiddellScottK: bzr log  history is still there, shadeslayer is clearing the debian/changelog before the upload to the archive13:21
apacheloggersgclark: http://i.imgur.com/ydHKEyp.png you're still there :)13:22
ScottKsgclark: You can add the packages to https://www.ohloh.net/p/kubuntu-packaging if you want a better sense of it.13:22
Riddellwhich I think is sensible enough, but I can see how it grates13:23
Riddelland he shouldn't take the credit in the changelog13:23
apacheloggeroh my ohloh still exists13:23
apacheloggerRiddell: we should just stop doing changelogs13:23
apacheloggerautogen from bzr13:23
apacheloggerbe done with it13:23
Riddellyes that would be best13:23
RiddellI wonder what the easiest way to do that is13:23
apacheloggerScottK: did someone write a script to set all the branches or how did that happen?13:24
ScottKapachelogger: I was very bored and did a few at at time.13:24
Riddellnot yet13:24
apacheloggerRiddell: expand bzr-buildpackage I guess(tm)13:24
ScottKI didn't get them all done.13:24
sgclarkAll-time Commits: 1 woot! I am rocken... what have I been doing? how do I add there?13:24
apacheloggerScottK: oh :)13:24
apacheloggerI wonder if ohloh has an api13:25
ScottKsgclark: None of the kf5 packages are in there yet.13:25
* ScottK just added kapidox13:27
apacheloggerapparently the ohlohohohlou has api nowadays13:28
apacheloggerhttp://meta.ohloh.net/2014/07/ohloh-will-be-in-read-only-mode-for-a-potentially-long-time/ Oo13:28
Riddelloh oh?13:29
shadeslayersgclark: 1) Purging PPA history was agreed upon by me and Riddell , 2) your contributions are not really lost, you're still there in bzr, 3) regarding your name being dropped from the changelog, that's all dch's fault, since I'm using dch to modify changelogs13:29
Riddellexcuses excuses..13:30
Riddellola dantti, you're the debconf-kde man?13:30
ScottKThat doesn't bode well.13:30
danttiRiddell: yup13:30
apacheloggerohlohohohoh doesn't appreciate my elitist ruby knowledge :'<13:31
Riddelldantti: I hear there's a port ongoing?13:31
shadeslayersgclark: sorry about the changelog messup though13:32
danttiRiddell: well I didn't know but it seems apachelogger has been doing some of it13:32
apacheloggerdantti: it's all done, sorry that I jumped the gun but it was blocking qapt which is blocking everything else ;)13:32
danttiactually I'd like to get rid of kf5 deps as it is basically only using k18n13:32
danttiapachelogger: np, I've been quite busy lately with some other projects13:33
apacheloggerdantti: FWIW I think ki18n is a worthwhile thing, otherwise all users of debconf-kde need to set a qtranslator which I totally see people not doing13:33
shadeslayerI don't want to manually edit every changelog though :(13:34
shadeslayerit's so much more work13:34
danttiapachelogger: well the could do that I think13:34
dantti*the lib13:34
Riddelldantti: the whole point of kf5 is you can use a bit without bringing in the whole of kdelibs, makes sense to use ki18n, it's small and makes translations sane13:34
apacheloggerdrop everything, keep ki18n ;)13:34
* apachelogger tries something13:35
danttiright but I also would like to get rid of all gui it has, so I think not even ki18n would be needed13:35
danttiI say that because of QML13:35
apacheloggerdantti: ah yeah, I have been thinking about that, you'll probably want to coordinate with apol13:37
apacheloggerdantti: fwiw, you could just split the gui bits and put them in libdebconf-kde-widgets (assuming they are actually useful ^^)13:38
danttiwell they would be usefull for I while I guess13:38
apacheloggeralso quick info on the deps KF5TextWidgets could be dropped  other than that only i18n and kdecore remain and i18n deps kdecore, so nothing lost there13:39
danttimaybe creating a new libdebconf-qt repo and have the -kde carry the gui thing13:39
apacheloggerdantti: there's no reason why the gui couldn't live in the same repo, qapt does that13:40
danttiyes, but long term it would be qt only thing13:40
danttiqml users would probably create their own uis13:41
apacheloggerdantti: qapt is qt only, it  just happens to build a bunch more stuff when kdelibs is present13:42
apacheloggeranyway, best talk to apol, as usual I do not comprehend the big picture so I can't really give much input :)13:42
shadeslayerbtw has anyone been working on 4.14?13:45
shadeslayerwe had a new release and stuff13:45
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shadeslayerhow come we have libkf5auth-data and libkf5auth-dev14:10
shadeslayerbut libkf5auth5 and libkf5auth5-dbg14:10
sgclarkthe latter is due to sonames matching lintain, why we remove on debug and dev is not known to me, Riddell?14:12
sgclarkerr data14:12
sgclarkthough data packages are going away14:12
shadeslayerthe data packages have to stay14:12
Riddellshadeslayer: nope, that's a definate TODO14:13
shadeslayersee logs from this morning14:13
sgclarkwould someone enlighten me as to what is going on?14:13
* sgclark feels she is being pushed out14:13
Riddellshadeslayer: libkf5auth5 cos that's the soversion, libkf5auth5-dbg cos nobody knows is the soversion should be in there or not but only opinion I got from debian kde dudes is to have it14:13
Riddelllibkf5auth-dev because you don't need an soversion there unless you expect to have two of the library in the archive at any time14:14
Riddelllikewise -data14:14
Riddellapachelogger: I don't seem to be getting a ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh libkubuntu file when i set language, should I?14:15
apacheloggerRiddell: get kdebug output plz14:15
apacheloggeror well, I think it uses qdebug14:15
apacheloggereitherway, terminal output will tell us more :P14:15
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, this time I do14:16
Riddellapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p11mzecpw  es_US ?14:16
Riddellamerican dialect of spanish?14:17
apacheloggerthat can't be the right libkubuntu14:17
apacheloggeroh actually I don't have spanish14:17
apacheloggerRiddell: please rune locale -a14:17
apacheloggerwho knows, maybe es_US exists xD14:17
apacheloggerbut I doubt it14:17
apacheloggerI rather think you might be having the wrong libkubuntu loaded for some reason14:17
shadeslayersgclark: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/14/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t10:0714:21
Riddellapachelogger: don't think I do http://paste.kde.org/p72i0z21v14:21
shadeslayersgclark: discussion from this morning about -data pacakges14:21
shadeslayer*packages even14:21
apacheloggerRiddell: remove the file then try again14:22
apacheloggerbtw, something I am a bit worried about: if kconf_update can be triggered before the new lib file is actually in place it could try to create a broken setlocale using the old lib14:23
apacheloggerI am not sure that can happen though14:23
apacheloggerRiddell: actually14:23
sgclarkshadeslayer: I messed up changelogs?14:24
apacheloggerRiddell: pmap -p `pidof kcmshell4`14:24
shadeslayersort of14:24
shadeslayerminor stuff really14:24
apacheloggerRiddell: assuming you use kcmshell414:24
apacheloggerRiddell: I am still not convinced that is the right libkubuntu :P14:24
shadeslayersgclark: I released a package -> you made some changes -> added entries to already realeased part14:24
shadeslayerwhat you should have done is run dch -i , then added your modifications there14:25
apacheloggerRiddell: and what's the output of locale -a?14:25
Riddellapachelogger: huh, locale -a does include es_US.utf814:26
apacheloggermy code reigns supreme clearly14:27
apacheloggerI really do wonder what's off with kdelibs/cmake btw14:27
apacheloggerqdebugs are as of late not enabled anymore it appears14:28
apacheloggerRiddell: or did you use ok?14:28
Riddellapachelogger: I did14:29
apacheloggerRiddell: random note of the day: due to kcms being very shitty ok in all kcms that do something more than write a config value will result in undefined behavior because for some reason at least kcmshell does not wait for the kcms to actually return from save()14:29
apacheloggerit's all very weird14:29
apacheloggeryou can also observe this in the phonon kcm for example on some pulseaudio setting or the other14:29
shadeslayerI found the flag to not mess with changelogs14:29
Riddellapachelogger: if I set it to spanish with british english as fallback I get only.. >cat ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh 14:30
Riddellexport LANGUAGE=es:en14:30
apacheloggerperfect then14:30
Riddellapachelogger: so I guess there is no british dialect of spanish14:30
Riddellwhat will I speak when I go home?!14:31
apacheloggermustn't go home clearly 14:31
apacheloggerotherwise you cause a paradox that will make time collapse in on itself :O14:31
RiddellI guess by then I'll be going home to the independent kingdom of scotland and gibralter and we can fix posix locales14:32
Riddellapachelogger: so libkubuntu looks lovely to me14:32
Riddellapachelogger: locales in /usr/share/locale-kdelibs4/ working good too, what did you think needed tested there?14:33
apacheloggerRiddell: can't recall14:44
apacheloggereverything :P14:44
shadeslayerRiddell: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/14/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t10:0714:44
sgclarkshadeslayer: I just want to note, I do use dch, and it would have worked had I not been completeely removed from changelog, I was unaware of this when I was doing all of these packages removing data packages.14:46
shadeslayersgclark: what command did you use?14:47
sgclarkdch as I was told14:47
shadeslayeryeah, thats why, you forgot -i14:47
shadeslayerto increment the version when the package has already been uploaded14:47
shadeslayerRiddell: spotify:track:3QxgOiZSkuyq7hALKV3fJa < much dark14:48
shadeslayerRiddell: http://open.spotify.com/track/3QxgOiZSkuyq7hALKV3fJa14:49
sgclarkshadeslayer: not forget, did not know, I did it the same wway I have been doing it for months, so the difference here is because it in archive or what?14:50
Riddellshadeslayer forgot to tell you14:51
shadeslayerstop blaming me for everything :(14:51
sgclarkI am just trying to learn here, I want to do things properly14:52
Riddellyeah, now for packages in the archive use dch -i  to add a new version after each upload to the archive so 5.0.0-0ubuntu1 gets a new entry for 5.0.0-0ubuntu2 ready for the next upload14:52
shadeslayersgclark: workflow is always : make changes -> upload -> make changes -> bump version -> make more changes -> upload -> repeat14:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: because of you argentina lost, how dare you cause riots like that14:52
* yofel recommends not using -i, dch will figure that out itself14:53
sgclarksee I remember being told that ^14:53
shadeslayerI should henceforth be crowned grand chancellor of deutschland 14:53
shadeslayersomeone tell Merkel that plz ^^14:53
sgclarkand yet I still mess things up 14:53
yofelsgclark: if you used that your last changelog edits should not have been possible...14:54
sgclarkguess that is why I am removed14:54
shadeslayeralso, free tickets to all future futbol matches14:54
yofeldch should not edit the current changelog if it's not UNRELEASED14:54
sgclarkyofel: my last chanelog edit were removed completely, not by me14:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: I think they spell it fütbol14:54
shadeslayerk , fütbol then14:54
shadeslayermy keyboard doesn't do funny accents14:54
apacheloggermine either14:55
yofelsgclark: ah, I meant when you edited old entries. That's for a different reason14:55
shadeslayersue me14:55
apacheloggerhad to google it :S14:55
shadeslayerI am the grand chancellor of deutschland14:55
yofelthe guys just decided to not keep the PPA history for the archive14:55
yofelif you do that all the changelog has on upload is a first entry with "initial upload" in it, that's all14:55
sgclarkright and all of my work is gone. I am rather distrubed by this, but alas14:56
shadeslayerno it's not14:56
shadeslayerthe history is all there in bzr for everyone to see14:57
sgclarkanyway. that is why dch failed, I was aware of all of this changing14:57
yofelit's not gone... it's in bzr. And the first upload changelog is a single line, no matter how much work it was and how many people worked on it14:57
shadeslayerfor eg. Debian will sanitize changelogs too14:57
shadeslayerand remove all the ubuntu ones14:57
apachelogger^ it's why those manually written 1980's changelogs are so very pointless14:58
shadeslayersgclark: I'm trying to preserve the person who did the original package now14:58
shadeslayerthough it's more work 14:58
yofelhow is that work, just edit without using dch -r o.O?14:59
sgclarkwell it felt like a kick in the shins, I guess I am going to have to get used to it then. Now onto other matters..14:59
sgclarkdata packages need to return?14:59
shadeslayeryofel: I have to copy over original author since last author was Riddell15:00
shadeslayerso you still lose the original packager15:00
shadeslayerin order to preserve that ... more work15:00
apacheloggerwrite a scrypt15:00
shadeslayerso much work15:00
apacheloggerscrüpt as the germans would say15:00
apacheloggershadeslayer: how so?15:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: how do you recommend finding original package creator15:01
yofelvery bottom of changelog o.O?15:01
apacheloggershadeslayer: last line of the file?15:01
shadeslayerdoesn't look good at all15:02
apacheloggerIt'S CamElCaSe aLL RiGHt15:02
shadeslayeryofel: apachelogger not necessarily, last line is sometimes also a carriagereturn :p15:03
sgclarkcan someone please confirm data packages need to be restored?15:04
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^^15:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: well, I dunno15:08
apacheloggermake a poll on some poll site and poll15:08
Riddellgosh no15:08
shadeslayerI've already uploaded tier 2 with -data15:08
shadeslayerkeep them I say15:08
Riddellyes I think -data packages are needed for libraries15:08
apacheloggeras far as I am conerned the entire pile should be generated automagically from one single packaging branch15:09
shadeslayerthere, it's decided15:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: cam15:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: can't be15:09
apacheloggersure it can15:09
shadeslayertests and other shizzle need fancy setup15:09
apacheloggerso you need different rules15:09
yofelapachelogger: scripts welcome15:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: lets work this out at randa15:09
shadeslayerautomate all the things15:09
apacheloggeryou don't need 3000 manually maintained changelogs, nor 3000 compat files doing the same, nor 3000 control files doing the same nor 3000 source dirs doing same...15:10
yofelplease do it in a way that debile will still consider sane ^^15:10
yofelerm... debian15:10
shadeslayerroger roger15:10
apacheloggerit's why debian package is frowned upon, because there's so much pointless shit no one gives a rats ass about15:10
shadeslayerthere's no .so in kdocbook15:12
shadeslayerso we have to install libKF5XsltKde.a15:12
shadeslayeryeah, it's a static lib15:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: doctools you mean?15:13
shadeslayersrc/CMakeLists.txt:add_library(KF5XsltKde STATIC xslt.cpp xslt_kde.cpp)15:13
shadeslayer^083a5dc tier2/kdoctools/src/CMakeLists.txt (Jenkins CI            2013-12-18 00:45:18 +0000  24) add_library(KF5XsltKde STATIC xslt.cpp xslt_kde.cpp) > ofcourse15:14
shadeslayerthanks jenkins CI15:14
apacheloggerwhy ever would that install a static lib15:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: file a bug or something15:15
shadeslayerif only we had sensible history15:15
apacheloggerthat's le bad15:15
apacheloggerit likely was made static for tests or something but installing a static lib is just rubbish15:16
apacheloggerthat even predates the repo15:17
ubottuKDE bug 337442 in general "kdoctools only builds a static lib" [Normal,Unconfirmed]15:17
shadeslayerkubotu: np15:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdelibs.git&a=commit&h=a0400773e0d4dd5f9099934ecdd06f9783956c0315:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: tell apol he made that15:18
shadeslayerhe be talking to d_ed , will let him know15:19
Riddellshadeslayer: kdbusaddons failed?15:19
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shadeslayerRiddell: builds fine on my machine15:23
Riddellshadeslayer: builds fine on i38615:24
Riddellbut not anything else15:24
Riddellis there something arch dependent?15:24
shadeslayerstill fails when rebuilding15:24
shadeslayernot really15:24
shadeslayerit's failing when running tests15:24
Riddellnope, nothing arch dependent15:25
shadeslayer 1/2 Test #2: kdbusservicetest .................***Failed 0.01 sec15:25
Riddelldoes override_dh_auto_test: need an export for dbus-launch ?15:26
shadeslayerI'll have a look at it tomorrow15:26
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shadeslayerTier 2 all up16:00
sgclarkI reverted all of my data removals, I am sure I messed it up  somehow, I have to step away though to clear my head. I will see you all tomorrow.16:01
Riddellthanks a lot sgclark, sorry for the conflicting advises16:02
Riddellsgclark: hope you find something nice and relaxing to do now16:03
kubotufeed branches-next had 9 updates, showing the latest 616:46
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Riddelldpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/sddm_0.1.0~git20140624-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.freedesktop.DisplayManager.conf', which is also in package lightdm 1.11.4-0ubuntu117:13
Riddellshadeslayer: ↑ still an issue17:13
lordievaderWhat is the support channel for Project Neon5? Is that #kubuntu or #project-neon?17:14
Riddelllordievader: either, I guess #project-neon is usually quiet though17:21
lordievaderCheck, I figured #kubuntu was only for 'stock' Kubuntu.17:25
Riddelllordievader: yes I think officially it is but no point being too fussy if there's nowhere better17:26
* Riddell rolls drums18:06
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RiddellTier 2 accepted into the archive!18:06
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ochosihey ScottK 20:01
ScottKHello ochosi 20:01
ochosixubuntu project lead here, was following the discussion in -meeting20:01
ScottKI didn't have anything specific in mind.20:01
ochosiso i thought i'd stop by about the "lessons learnt about trello"20:01
ScottKJust wanted to make sure you knew.20:01
ochosiyeah, we actually looked at your board when discussing whether to use trello20:01
ScottKFYI everyone, Xubuntu is using trello too.20:02
ochosiwe also have a trellobot20:02
ochosiif that is of interest to you20:02
ochosi(for irc)20:02
ScottKapachelogger: trellobot?20:07
DalekSecIt's been mentioned, the result was that since the trello gem/module is ruby, it'd be more useful to rewrite it for kubotu.20:09
apacheloggerinsomnia, insomnia, oh my precious insomnia23:09
apacheloggerochosi: what's the trellobot do?23:10
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: going to upload libkubuntu to utopic, does one of you want to handle the sru?23:12
ochosiapachelogger: for now it mostly reads trellocards23:12
ochosifeel free to ask Unit193 for more, he's maintaining it23:13
apacheloggerwhy I am too shy for that (:23:19
apacheloggerScottK: what feature exactly are you looking for?23:22
ScottKIt might be nice to see the trello changes in channel like the commits.23:23
ScottKIt would save me the trouble of reading my mails.23:23
apacheloggerthat hardly seems worth writing an rbot plugin for TBH23:24
ScottKIt would certainly be easier for me if you did it.23:25
ScottKBesides, I figure for a Ruby god such as yourself, it's a 5 minute job.23:25
DalekSecapachelogger: ruby-trello23:26
DalekSecIt supports webhooks.23:27
apacheloggerflattery aint going to help there, because one would need to store stuff in the cache and the last time I tried to do things with the rbot cache some kittens died xD23:27
* ScottK wonders if they were delicious?23:31
apacheloggerScottK: quite possibly23:45

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