[16:23] <fares> hi all
[16:24] <fares> i want to install lubuntu in a server  and install  server package in it  how?
[16:26] <fares> help plz
[16:29] <melodie_> fares
[16:29] <melodie_> hummm
[16:29] <fares> ?
[16:29] <melodie_> what about installing Ubuntu server, and from there install lubuntu-desktop?
[16:29] <melodie_> lubuntu-desktop is a meta package
[16:30] <melodie_> fares well tell me what kind of server you need, maybe the other way around might be alright
[16:31] <fares> i want a sever to setup  a erp software in it  for my company
[16:32] <fares> melodie_
[16:36] <melodie_> fares which erp software have you chosen? I have had recent experiments with two of them, if I can help
[16:37] <fares> erpnext
[16:41] <melodie_> I don't know this one
[16:42] <melodie_> what are the requirements? LAMP? Else? Posgres?
[16:43] <fares> apatche     mariadb
[16:45] <fares> this is install script  https://github.com/frappe/frappe-bench/blob/master/install_scripts/install_ubuntu.sh
[16:53] <phillw> fares: if you install server, tasksel will invite you install LAMP, mailserver, ssh etc etc. you will also be able to install a desktop system. Having browsers on a server is not really recommended.
[16:57] <fares> phillw :  i need the browseres  for local use  only
[16:58] <fares> what is your advise
[16:59] <phillw> fares: then ufw can block the ports for you. You may find installing lubuntu-core is a better way forward if you don't need the word-processor / spreadheet / music / video applications?
[16:59] <phillw> you will have access to a basic GUI system and then add just what you want.
[17:00] <phillw> You need to roll your sleeves up, as it is command line stuff to begin with :)
[17:14] <fares> install core from ubuntu desktop cd  or server cd
[17:18] <fares> phillw   : thank your  for your help
[17:18] <fares> melodie_   : thank your  for your help
[17:22] <melodie_> fares no problem, if phillw can help you better I am happy about it
[17:23] <fares> no  i mean   agreat thanks  for you  about  answer  my q
[17:24] <phillw> fares: install from server cd. Add in LAMP (you waid you wanted that) and also SSH if you ever want to log in from a remote system also add lubuntu core (you can do this by arrowing down the tasksel list and pressing the space bar to put an '*' in the box. Once done, press Tab key and tell it to get on with it :)
[17:25] <phillw> s/waid/said/
[17:27] <fares> do you mean type it in the command line after finish the ubuntu server install
[17:30] <fares> oh   yah  in the install
[17:30] <fares> sorry
[17:31] <fares> did the  optional package need internet  connection
[17:31] <phillw> fares: the server install trips in something called tasksel.. it looks like this... http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119
[17:32] <phillw> fares: yes, it will need internet as it will be downloading what you have asked for.
[17:32] <phillw> on that area, it is adding LAMP to a desktop system... but the instructions and added details are the same.
[17:33] <fares> if  i have  internet connection  need to open the browser to enter user and pass to  connect  how can i do it?
[17:37] <phillw> you do not use a browser for server, you use terminal (CLI)
[17:41] <fares> i will take you advise   ,thank you
[20:19] <Tonio> bonjour,
[20:20] <Tonio> ya t il une personne pour m'aider ?
[20:20] <rafaellaguna> sorry, do you speak english?
[20:20] <Tonio> a little ...
[20:21] <Tonio> i need help for Lubuntu
[20:21] <rafaellaguna> tell me, if I can help you
[20:21] <Tonio> i have just to install Lubuntu
[20:21] <rafaellaguna> yes
[20:21] <Tonio> i have one problem
[20:21] <Tonio> i can't to connect in my session
[20:21] <rafaellaguna> can you see the connection applet?
[20:22] <rafaellaguna> at the panel
[20:22] <Tonio> yess i see
[20:22] <Tonio> when
[20:22] <Tonio> but the name
[20:22] <Tonio> is not my login name but the pc name
[20:22] <Tonio> and when i type the good passaword
[20:22] <rafaellaguna> oh, you mean your session
[20:23] <Tonio> they are no connection
[20:23] <rafaellaguna> no internet connection under your session / login?
[20:23] <Tonio> when i type a wrong password pc say "the password is wrong"
[20:23] <rafaellaguna> normal :)
[20:23] <phillw> Tonio: what country are you from?
[20:23] <Tonio> france
[20:23] <rafaellaguna> Tonio, you should look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[20:24] <rafaellaguna> there're specific French IRC channels
[20:24] <Unit193> !fr | Tonio
[20:24] <rafaellaguna> ubottu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[20:24] <Tonio> hooo ok sorry !
[20:24] <phillw> Tonio: aussie http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-fr/
[20:24] <rafaellaguna> don't worrie :)
[20:25] <rafaellaguna> I'd like to help you more
[20:26] <Tonio> sorry but i dont know to join  a french channel ...
[20:26] <Tonio> :'(
[20:26] <rafaellaguna> the same way you joined this
[20:26] <Tonio> i had cliked in a web page
[20:26] <Tonio> a try
[20:27] <rafaellaguna> do you have xchat app?
[20:28] <rafaellaguna> open it and follow the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[20:36] <phillw> tonio_: melodie should be here any moment
[20:37] <rafaellaguna> tonio_, et elle parle mieux le français que moi
[20:54] <melodie_> tonio_
[20:54] <melodie_> quoi ?
[20:54] <phillw> melodie_:  ill
[20:54] <melodie_> tonio_ viens sur #linuxvillage
[20:55] <melodie_> tonio_ si tu n'attends pas trop longtemps je pourrais tenter de te dépanner, sauf que là il est tard
[21:54] <tertu> how do i convince my stupid desktop to be 1366x768
[21:54] <tertu> i had a multiple-monitor setup going and it keeps assuming i want to keep it
[22:03] <phillw> tertu: it is possibly an X entry, else look into xandr
[22:04] <tertu> it's some crap in my xorg.conf i think
[22:05] <tertu> as this time arandr and xrandr, at least the options i know about, seem to be doing nothing about it
[22:08] <tertu> The program that caused this mess, Catalyst, is too stupid to realize it did it
[22:08] <tertu> and now nothing works
[22:09] <phillw> tertu: please
[22:09] <phillw> why do I bother
[22:09] <ikonia> does that translate to "go to hell, stop bothering me"
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> lmao ikonia
[22:10] <tertu> aaanyways if i ever do use a dual-monitor setup again, and i probably won't
[22:10] <ikonia> I don't think it does
[22:10] <ikonia> but apparantly it does
[22:11] <phillw> ikonia: no, it means please await while I get bodhi_zazen on board to help.... what is your issue?
[22:11] <ikonia> phillw: "why do I bother" means please wait ?
[22:11] <ikonia> that seems an odd way to say "please wait"
[22:11] <phillw> ikonia: it can do
[22:11] <ikonia> I don't think so
[22:11] <ikonia> I don't see any form of english that "why do I bother" translates to "please wait while I get someone else"
[22:12] <phillw> just depends if it is your mentor....
[22:12] <ikonia> no, I don't think it does
[22:12]  * ianorlin thinks it means *phillw is frustrated
[22:12] <ikonia> good job this channels logged
[22:12]  * ikonia goes off to compose an email 
[22:12] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: (20:18:33) ikonia: can't be bothered
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> what video card are we playing with and which driver ?
[22:12] <phillw> it was he
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> and can we xrandr | pastebinit
[22:16] <phillw> tertu: ^^
[22:16] <ianorlin> xrandr |pastebinit is a good idea
[22:16] <phillw> I've asked for a professional to assist you.
[22:17] <phillw> ooh... 2 professionals!!! hiyas ianorlin
[22:17] <tertu> it's back to normal now
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo ianorlin
[22:17] <tertu> and really, that wouldn't have been helpful
[22:18] <tertu> xrandr was displaying the same stuff then
[22:19] <tertu> all that changed in my xorg.conf, though, was the second monitor getting disabled
[22:19] <tertu> so i guess that's it
[22:19] <bodhi_zazen> bad xorg.conf ?
[22:20] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: there is no 'bad' xorg.conf....... just one that needs tweaking :D
[22:21] <ikonia> of course there is a bad one
[22:21] <ikonia> ones that are configured wrong
[22:21] <phillw> ikonia: : there is no 'bad' xorg.conf....... just one that needs tweaking :D
[22:22] <ikonia> of course there is a bad one
[22:22] <ikonia> if one is configured wrong it will stop your xorg from even starting up
[22:22] <phillw> continue to read it until it has been fixed
[22:22] <ikonia> continue to read what ?
[22:22] <phillw> ikonia: nope, just fire nomodeset to grub...
[22:22] <ikonia> err that won't do anything to xorg
[22:23] <ikonia> if it's ocnfiugred wrong,
[22:25] <phillw> ikonia: grub is boss.... http://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode And I can go find you many more....
[22:26] <ikonia> ???
[22:26] <ikonia> disabling X does not fix a badly configured X server
[22:26] <ikonia> do you even understand what you're telling people ?
[22:26] <ianorlin> phillw his problem is his resoultion is wrong
[22:26] <phillw> do not mess with grub,
[22:26] <ikonia> phillw: you have no idea what you are saying
[22:27] <phillw> ianorlin: his problem is his attitude is wrong. nomodeset will give you a basic system.
[22:27] <ikonia> his attitude is wrong ???
[22:27] <phillw> nothing fancy.
[22:27] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[22:27] <ikonia> he has a duff xorg from the propritary driver install
[22:27] <phillw> who has?
[22:27] <ikonia> he wants to get it working again with 2 screens
[22:28] <ikonia> and you're offering advice such as "there is no such thing as a bad config" and "use nomodeset" and "grub is king"
[22:28] <phillw> echo...
[22:28] <ianorlin> tertu what sizes are your two different monitors and what resolution do you want to set each one at and mirrored or on the side of each other?
[22:29] <tertu> the resolutions are fine
[22:29] <tertu> my other monitor is not hooked up right now
[22:30] <tertu> the problem is, after i disconnected my second monitor, it was stuck in dual-monitor mode
[22:30] <phillw> tertu: that is a know issue for lxandr
[22:30] <tertu> so i had a 2646x1024 desktop with a 1366x768 monitor
[22:31] <tertu> is lxandr the LXDE component that handles that or is it a configuration utility
[22:31] <ianorlin> yes
[22:31] <tertu> if it's the latter i didn't use it
[22:31] <ianorlin> ah you used arnandr right
[22:31] <tertu> initially i didn't know about arandr
[22:31] <tertu> so i used Catalyst to set it up but, of course, Catalyst kinda fucked it up
[22:32] <tertu> i used arandr to fix it later
[22:32] <tertu> this time arandr didn't work so i ended up using catalyst
[22:32] <tertu> which DID fix the problem but only after it hosed up my X session and i needed to reboot
[22:32] <phillw> tertu:when you switch between having monitor and not, you need to boot with the 2nd monitor powered up and connected, and also have it disconncted.
[22:32] <tertu> all to flip one goddamn boolean in xorg.conf
[22:33] <tertu> okay.
[22:33] <phillw> aranrdr may be be better for 'hot plugging' but it uses more resources for any one who has lubuntu. We have to keep it low resource.
[22:34] <tertu> makes sense.
[22:34] <tertu> i could run ku on this laptop or xu definitely so resources aren't that much of an issue
[22:34] <ikonia> how much of a difference are the resources
[22:34] <ikonia> between the two tools
[22:35] <tertu> lxrandr's basically just a resolution control tool, arandr's a bit smarter than that so it's probably slower on something like an early 2000s dell
[22:35] <tertu> or some such
[22:35] <phillw> ikonia: when the difference for live RAM is in the 10's of MB... enough
[22:35] <ikonia> for live ram ?
[22:35] <ikonia> what is live ram
[22:35] <phillw> ikonia: go have a try :)
[22:35] <tertu> i think that means memory usage
[22:35] <ikonia> phillw: I don't know, hence why I'm asking
[22:35] <ikonia> what's live ram
[22:36] <ikonia> in use ? active ?
[22:36] <ianorlin> ram in live session?
[22:36] <tertu> in use
[22:36] <phillw> LiveCD is the highest RAM usage...
[22:36] <ikonia> of course it is
[22:36] <ikonia> because it holds the file system in ram
[22:36] <ikonia> but that what's my quesiton
[22:36] <ikonia> what is "live ram"
[22:37] <phillw> Even with zram, and two of the little critters, LiveCD is a maximum push for lubuntu.
[22:37] <ikonia> can you please answer the question
[22:37] <ikonia> not random responses
[22:37] <ikonia> what is "live ram"
[22:38] <phillw> ikonia: it is zram
[22:38] <ikonia> live ram is zram ?
[22:38] <phillw> it is ram that is compressed
[22:38] <ianorlin> I don't end up swaping on some comps with lubuntu just by running arandr
[22:38] <ikonia> what ???
[22:38] <ikonia> "live ram" is copressed ram
[22:38] <ikonia> where are you getting this stuff ???
[22:39] <bodhi_zazen> night
[22:39] <phillw> ikonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram it is included in lubuntu
[22:39] <ikonia> phillw: I know what zram is
[22:39] <ikonia> phillw: again, I didn't ask what zram was
[22:40] <phillw> so, why asking the q?
[22:40] <ikonia> phillw: I asked what "live ram" is and for some reason you think "live ram" is compressed ram
[22:40] <ikonia> phillw: because what you said makes no sense
[22:40] <ikonia> so I'm asking for clarification
[22:40] <phillw> live ram is also comprssed into two zram devices
[22:40] <ikonia> what is live ram ??
[22:40] <ikonia> you keep referencing live ram as "something"
[22:40] <ikonia> but you won't say what that thing is
[22:41] <ikonia> it is ram thats in use ? allocated ? what ?
[22:41] <ikonia> what is the definition of live ram that you keep referencing
[22:41] <wxl> phillw: i think ikonia is referring to http://rollingjackass.com/
[22:41] <wxl> ooops wrong paste!
[22:41] <wxl> 1535 < phillw:#lubuntu> ikonia: when the difference for live RAM is in the 10's of MB... enough
[22:41] <phillw> lubuntu has ram .. that is "live' --- real RAM actually compressed as opposed to swap space on a hard disk
[22:42] <ianorlin> so why not just say zram?
[22:44] <phillw> because his 'live' ram of, say 512Mb can appear to be 648 Mb.... So.. what is 'Live RAM' ? :)
[22:44] <ikonia> whos ?
[22:44] <ikonia> who is "his" ?
[22:46] <phillw> have a scroll back, and you may notice that he understood zram before you decided to pull out an extended explanation from me, when if you had simply said you did not understand I could have given you a link.
[22:46] <ikonia> ?????
[22:47] <ikonia> I asked you "what is live ram"
[22:47] <ikonia> it can't get any more clear than that
[22:47] <ikonia> YOU said "live ram" - I didn't understand and asked you "what is live ram" and you seem to be unable to explain the words you use
[22:48] <wxl> phillw: when you say "live ram" do you not mean the ram used when using a live cd?
[22:48] <ikonia> you appear to make phraes/solutions up then when asked what you mean give cryptic answers to hide the fact that you have just made something up / hav eno idea wha tyou've said
[22:49] <phillw> ikonia: it is actually a well known phrase... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions_that_run_from_RAM
[22:49] <ikonia> phillw: it is when you explain what it is
[22:49] <ikonia> rather than giving cyrptic answers
[22:49] <phillw> you really ought to check up on what we old timers use L)
[22:49] <wxl> ikonia: the ram that the live cd is loaded into. is that clear?
[22:49] <ikonia> wxl: couldn't be easier could it
[22:50] <phillw> wxl: not to me, it could not....
[22:50] <ikonia> phillw: no, you should perhaps not talk nonsense and just state clearly what you mean
[22:50] <wxl> ikonia: ok so now that we got that out of thw ay, how can we help you?
[22:50] <ikonia> I was asking the difference betweeen the two Xorg configuration tools resource wise that phillw had hilighted
[22:51] <wxl> phillw: i agree that it's a bit ambiguous, especially given it's not really ram excactly, but it suffices for now :)
[22:51] <wxl> ikonia: so do you ahve your answer now?
[22:51] <ikonia> wxl: no, not at all
[22:51] <ianorlin> oh you mean executable size on the live cd?
[22:51] <ikonia> no, in general
[22:51] <ikonia> what is the resource differences
[22:52] <ikonia> has it got a bigger memory foot print, bigger size on disk, does it waste cpu cycles etc
[22:52] <ikonia> WHAT is the difference that phillw is referencing
[22:52] <wxl> ikonia: i can't find them in the mess of the backlog. which two?
[22:52] <ianorlin> arnadr and lxrandr
[22:52] <ikonia> lrandr arandr
[22:52] <ikonia> thank you
[22:52] <wxl> !info lxrandr
[22:53] <wxl> !info arandr
[22:53] <wxl> so you can see lxrandr takes up less space
[22:53] <ikonia> yes but we are talking kb
[22:53] <wxl> indeed we are
[22:53] <ikonia> phillw: said you cant have one on the system because it is too resource heavy
[22:53] <phillw> ikonia: arandr uses more resources in memory and cpu
[22:53] <ikonia> hence my asking in what way
[22:53] <ikonia> and not getting an answer
[22:53] <ikonia> phillw: how much more ? why ?
[22:54] <wxl> arandr appears to use python
[22:54] <phillw> ikonia: you can have what ever application you want on your system.
[22:54] <wxl> both use gtk
[22:54] <ikonia> phillw: I didn't ask that
[22:54] <ianorlin> would you really have the graphics capability on one of those older machines to run the two monitors?
[22:54] <Unit193> ikonia: lxrandr is in C++/C or some compiled language, arandr is python.  Memory usage will be affected by that fact alone.
[22:54] <ikonia> phillw: can you please answer the questions I ask - rather than something I didn't ask
[22:55] <wxl> i would suspect that you'd be better off with lxrandr which is in a lower level language (c)
[22:55] <ikonia> Unit193: there we go, so it's the language/dependencies
[22:55] <ikonia> Unit193: really easy
[22:55] <ikonia> no need for cyrptic responses
[22:55] <wxl> ikonia: you know, i don't know that this is clear, but phillw WAS trying to help you.
[22:55] <Unit193> wxl: Ah, thanks.  Didn't know/remember what it was in.  Qt version is C++ I'd expect.
[22:55] <wxl> Unit193: prolly, but that's not here yet so shhhh before the mailing list starts getting filled up with questions about qt again :)
[22:56] <ikonia> wxl: just looked like random inexperienced responses trying to dodge the question because he didn't know the answer
[22:56] <ikonia> hence why I had to ask 10 times
[22:56] <wxl> ikonia: well that would be where you'd be grossly misguided.
[22:56] <wxl> ikonia: we all tend to be very quiet if we don't know the answer to something and certainly don't make blanket statements about something we're not sure about.
[22:56] <ikonia> doesn't look like it
[22:57] <ikonia> wxl: see above then
[22:57] <ianorlin> yep the Qt version (lxqt-config-randr) is in C++
[22:57]  * wxl facepalms
[22:58] <phillw> ianorlin: we're not allowed the children to play with them yet.... Be a good boi!
[22:58] <wxl> ikonia: i'm going to tell you this straight up. everyone here is a volunteer. we're all trying to help you. phillw was trying to help you to the best of his abilities. he's got many years of experience in lubuntu and many other linucies. the fact that you were having a miscommunication was not because he had subversive intentions.
[22:59] <ikonia> wxl: I don't doubt it was subversive intentions.
[22:59] <ikonia> I just believe it was lack of knowledge
[22:59] <wxl> ikonia: it was neither, os be nice
[22:59] <ikonia> wxl: I'm allowed to believe it was lack of knowledge based on the poor answers I've seen
[23:00] <wxl> ikonia: and as volunteers we're allowed to go back to what we're doing, which i think i'm going to do.
[23:00] <ikonia> of course
[23:00] <ikonia> I don't actually need help, I was watching someone else get bad information
[23:00] <ikonia> which is why I asked the question
[23:00] <phillw> ikonia: and I'm allowed to make an official complaint for the same reason :)
[23:00] <ikonia> go for it
[23:02] <wxl> ikonia: so you were trying to help?
[23:02] <ikonia> totally
[23:02] <wxl> ikonia: and were you successful?
[23:02] <ikonia> not %100
[23:02] <phillw> and, that is the incorrect answer, which will be stated... the correct answer is "why don't we have a chat". But this channel is logged and you should have tried to defuse.... ces't la vie
[23:02] <ikonia> the guy pretty much figured out most of it on his own
[23:03] <wxl> ikonia: so then maybe you might consider abandoning impractical actions.
[23:03] <ikonia> phillw: you brought it up phillw not me
[23:03] <ikonia> phillw: you raised it - should have ignored it to difuse
[23:03] <ikonia> wxl: what was impractical ?
[23:03] <wxl> ikonia: this conversation, for one.
[23:03] <ikonia> wxl: you're the one talking
[23:03] <ikonia> I'm answering
[23:04] <Unit193> wxl, ikonia: Don't you think this arguing has perhaps gone on long enough?
[23:04] <wxl> 'twas the point.
[23:04] <ikonia> I'm unclear to the issue
[23:04] <ikonia> i've raised questions, been unable to get answers until wxl and Unit193 clarified, I got the answers, job done
[23:05] <phillw> I'm bored of it... but he has no idea of #ubuntu+17
[23:05] <phillw> -7
[23:05] <wxl> #ubuntu+10?
[23:29]  * ianorlin thinks phillw meant #ubuntu+1
[23:31]  * wxl knows he did :)
[23:34] <phillw> ianorlin: you know what I meant :D