[03:36] <fmarier> so did anybody upgrade successfully from 12.04 to 14.04 recently?
[03:37] <ajmitch_> yep
[03:37] <ajmitch_> well, maybe a couple of months ago on my laptop
[03:37] <fmarier> ajmitch_: and you didn't run into anything major?
[03:38] <ibeardslee> only issue I really had was the apache2 configs
[03:38] <ajmitch_> it seemed to work out alright
[03:38] <ajmitch_> the only thing was I switched back to the free radeon driver before upgrading, iirc
[03:39] <fmarier> ibeardslee: yeah, i saw that upgrading from wheezy to jessie as well
[03:39] <ajmitch_> since I knew fglrx wouldn't support it in 14.04 & the free driver is much better now
[03:39] <fmarier> my experience upgrading to 14.04 was truly miserable though
[03:39] <fmarier> i can no longer log into unity/gnome-shell/xfce :(
[03:39] <ajmitch_> does X start at all?
[03:40] <fmarier> and i can't figure out where it's going wrong
[03:40] <fmarier> ajmitch_: yeah, X works fine. if i use kdm, i can get a gnome-terminal using the failsafe mode and then start gnome-shell from there
[03:40] <ajmitch_> no weird permissions in $HOME ?
[03:41] <fmarier> however, if i log into a xfce/unity/gnome session directly, it accepts my password, blanks the screen, then goes right back to lightdm/gdm/kdm
[03:41] <fmarier> i tried creating a new user and it does the same thing
[03:41] <ajmitch_> ~/.xsession-errors would usually help, I remember I'd have issues like that when the disk was full
[03:41] <fmarier> it's a truly frustrating bug
[03:42] <ajmitch_> but I doubt the upgrade would have completed if that was the case
[03:42] <fmarier> yeah, my .xession-errors is bitching about an error in /usr/bin/lightdm-something but it's not exactly verbose
[03:43] <fmarier> it's also bitching about xmodmap not being able to find a file
[03:43] <fmarier> i'm wondering what actually gets run when lightdm starts a gnome or unity session
[03:43] <ajmitch_> pastebin it
[03:44] <fmarier> ajmitch_: the error?
[03:44] <ajmitch_> yeah, if you can
[03:45] <ajmitch_> someone might have a clue :)
[03:45] <fmarier> i don't have that computer with me here and the upgrade apparently also broke fwknopd :(
[03:45] <ajmitch_> ah
[03:45] <fmarier> though that's not surprising as it went from 1.x to 2.x, i probably need to redo its config
[04:19] <ibeardslee> hmm that sounds like a problem I'd seen with the .Xauthority file .. somehow root owned it, and the user couldn't write to it.
[04:24] <ajmitch_> ibeardslee: yeah, hence me asking about weird permissions
[04:26] <ibeardslee> ahh, yeah.  for some reason it was the only file that was 'mangled'
[04:29] <ajmitch_> I couldn't remember which of the files it would have been
[04:36] <fmarier> ibeardslee: that (or a stray .xsession) is what i suspected, but create a brand new user account didn't help
[04:37] <fmarier> i wonder what's different between a kdm failsafe session and a normal one
[08:26] <fmarier> is trusty still using upstart or has it moved to systemd already?
[08:28] <fmarier> it looks like my session problems are due to the PATH not being set properly
[08:29] <fmarier> the error from ~/.xsession-errors: /usr/sbin/lightdm-session: 5: exec: init: not found
[08:29] <fmarier> with the full command line being: exec init --user
[08:30] <fmarier> where "init --user" is set by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99upstart (which assumes that /sbin/ is in the path)
[09:12] <G> fmarier: I think it's still using upstart
[09:12] <G> no trusty boxes handy to be atm I don't think
[09:13] <G> oh wait, I updated this box...
[09:15] <G> I appear to have a mix of upstart and systemd on this box :S PID 1 is /sbin/init provided by 'upstart' (dpkg -S /sbin/init) though
[09:16] <fmarier> yeah, there are bits of systemd in 14.04, but apparently the full switch is scheduled for 16.04 (according to the interwebs at least)
[09:17] <G> 2016(!)  oh I bet Lennout(sp?) is laughing at that :P
[09:18] <G> (I just happen to remember the way SystemD was pushed as the best next thing in Fedora/etc)
[20:09] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:11] <hads> morning
[20:19] <Atamira> morena
[20:35] <ajmitch_> morning