[07:03] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:04] <elfy> o/
[07:05] <ochosi> ali1234: i think for the average joe snapping and preventing overlapping are good things
[07:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, that merge-request makes sense
[10:15] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi, and not sure if you saw, but I got several new packages in the xubuntu-staging ppa over the weekend
[10:23] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[10:23] <ochosi> sorry, was away all weekend, returned last night, then watched the game and now i'm @work...
[10:23] <ochosi> in short: not yet :}
[10:24] <ochosi> i read something in the backlog about properly preventing light-locker from autostarting in the guest session?
[10:25] <bluesabre> whiskermenu 1.4, mousepad daily, xfce4-settings daily
[10:25] <ochosi> nice
[10:25] <ochosi> i'll check that out
[10:25] <bluesabre> yeah, light-locker should not be enabled for guest session, seems there may be a way to disable it for guest users
[10:26] <ochosi> that sounds desirable
[10:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: so you went with "n. " for the numbering
[10:30] <bluesabre> yup
[10:31] <bluesabre> looked the best at the time, and you had gone to bed
[10:31] <bluesabre> ;)
[10:31] <ochosi> hehe
[10:31] <bluesabre> also, looks best in the combobox
[10:31] <ochosi> does it really help in vbox or other contexts?
[10:31] <bluesabre> it helps in several contexts
[10:31] <ochosi> alrighty
[10:31] <bluesabre> 4 monitors side by side will all ellipsize
[10:31] <bluesabre> and you will still see the number
[10:31] <bluesabre> since it is the first letter
[10:32] <ochosi> i'm thinking we could better position the number though
[10:32] <ochosi> in the monitor-widget
[10:32] <ochosi> so that it's never ellipsized
[10:32] <ochosi> e.g. as a separate label
[10:34] <bluesabre> possibly, we can continue to experiment with it
[10:34] <bluesabre> I need to go and get ready now
[10:35] <bluesabre> launchpad keeps timing out, or I would try to get a new version of xubuntu-default-settings moving for 14.04.1
[10:35] <bluesabre> so suppose I'll do that this evening
[10:35] <ochosi> nice, thanks!
[10:35] <ochosi> btw, don't forget to set your alarm clock
[10:35] <ochosi> i mean for tomorrow ;)
[10:36] <bluesabre> and today
[10:36] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[10:36] <bluesabre> 1900 UTC
[10:36] <bluesabre> hopefully I can get an IRC connection
[10:36] <ochosi> indeed
[10:37]  * ochosi keeps his fingers crossed for bluesabre 
[10:37] <bluesabre> bbl
[10:39] <ochosi> ttyl bluesabre 
[16:17] <rkean> Hi everyone. I'm new to developing light-locker and (x)ubuntu in general. What brought me here was LP bug 1306917. From what I understand, the issue is that light-locker-settings thinks the default for --lock-after-screensaver is 0, while it actually is 5.
[16:18] <rkean> My question is twofold: Should one fix light-locker or -settings? And, given that it should be a simple fix and I'd like to get my feet wet with launchpad, could you let me try suggesting a fix there instead of doing it on your own? :)
[17:07] <rkean> Would it maybe better to ask in a mailing list? If yes, which one?
[17:08] <ochosi> rkean: sry, no, here is fine
[17:08] <ochosi> i haven't had time to really reply yet
[17:08] <ochosi> lderan, bluesabre ^
[17:09] <ochosi> i guess we should fix this in lls
[17:09] <ochosi> and ofc a patch would be very welcome!
[17:10] <lderan> hello :)
[17:10] <ochosi> rkean: thing is i could never reproduce that problem, so if you can and if you can propose a fix that'd be great :)
[17:11] <lderan> indeed it would be great :)
[17:15] <ochosi> bbl
[17:16] <rkean> Okay, great to hear. :)
[17:29] <rkean> Okay, it doesn't seem like I will have time to do that today, and I'm unsure about the next three days. So, please feel free to disregard my previous request to let me try on my own, and fix it yourself if you feel like it. Otherwise I'll try to do it when I have time.
[17:31] <rkean> Thanks for helping me out. :)
[19:09] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Good luck!
[19:10] <bluesabre0> Thanks!
[19:21] <ochosi> bluesabre0: has it started yet?
[19:21] <ochosi> and in what channel
[19:21] <bluesabre0> #ubuntu-meeting
[19:21] <bluesabre0> not yet
[19:21] <ochosi> righty
[19:21]  * ochosi watches
[19:21] <bluesabre0> waiting... should start soon
[19:22] <ochosi> heh, some glitches there
[19:29] <elfy> bluesabre0: good luck :)
[19:29] <bluesabre0> thanks elfy
[19:43] <elfy> bluesabre0: we ran it for QA last cycle and are trialling it for this cycle only team - we're not kubuntu, scottk is - kubuntu trello is opem
[19:43] <elfy> and it's more or less completely new to all of us
[19:44] <bluesabre0> thanks elfy
[19:44] <elfy> :)
[19:49]  * elfy is rather concerned that's going completely off track and nothing to do with what your there for
[19:50] <ochosi> yeah
[19:50] <ochosi> i was considering to mention that in -meeting
[19:50] <elfy> I can't 
[19:50] <ochosi> but let's give them a moment
[19:50] <ochosi> why?
[19:50] <elfy> it'll be like the Community Council wading in 
[19:50] <ochosi> hm right, i guess i could do that as xpl
[19:51] <ochosi> but as stgraber is already changing the subject, i can hold back a few more minutes :)
[19:51] <elfy> yea :)
[19:52] <bluesabre0> :)
[20:00] <Unit193> bluesabre0: dpkg -L ubuntu-dev-tools | grep bin  to give you a quick idea.
[20:00] <ochosi> uuuh, cheating... :)
[20:00] <Unit193> Nono, he already got the answer.
[20:02] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Also, since they've moved on, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/ has the proposed migration (some reasons why something is stuck in proposed), transitions tracker, and all.
[20:03] <ochosi> congrats bluesabre0 
[20:03] <bluesabre0> yay
[20:03] <ochosi> \o/
[20:03] <bluesabre0> party at my place
[20:03] <ochosi> weee
[20:03]  * ochosi rushes to the airport
[20:03] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Congrats!  Also, we're here to help too.
[20:04] <bluesabre0> ofc
[20:04] <elfy> bluesabre0: was there an end to -meeting? 
[20:04]  * elfy missed it :(
[20:04] <Unit193> elfy: Yeah, he got it.
[20:05] <elfy> bluesabre0: woohoo - well done \0/
[20:05] <ochosi> meh, elfy's head is bigger than mine
[20:05] <ochosi> elfy: i guess you didn't see my \o/
[20:06] <ochosi> bluesabre0: so now what's next in the process?
[20:06] <Unit193> ochosi: He knows about xubutrello.
[20:06] <elfy> ochosi: nope :)
[20:06] <bluesabre0> ochosi: good question... :D
[20:08] <elfy> well I appear to have gone 1 btter than the freeze when deleting from the desktop for ~30 seconds I had
[20:08] <elfy> it now freezes for ages lol
[20:08] <bluesabre0> I need to stop tethering to my phone now, bbl ;)
[20:08]  * elfy suspects a clean install is in his near future
[20:08] <elfy> cya bluesabre0 
[20:14] <elfy> ochosi: so what is the xubuntu team ppa - can't find it ... 
[20:16] <Unit193> Which?  Daily builds or other?
[20:16] <ochosi> elfy: staging?
[20:16] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging - https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa - https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras
[20:16] <elfy> ochosi: yea
[20:17] <elfy> the one we've got bluesabre using
[20:17] <ochosi> Unit193: i'd wanna get skippy-xd into extras too btw
[20:17] <Unit193> ochosi: Well sure, you're an admin.
[20:17] <ochosi> i think there's a PPA already, i could theoretically just copy the package (i've tested it previously), would you mind taking a look whether there's anything fishy packaging-wise?
[20:18] <elfy> I thought the plan was to move away from all these odd ppa's 
[20:19] <ochosi> no, staging and extras are quite good actually
[20:19] <ochosi> they are different things
[20:19] <ochosi> staging is for stuff that is from xfce development, extras is for stuff that is not from any "trusted source"
[20:20] <ochosi> or at least something that isn't already in the ubuntu repos
[20:20] <elfy> ok 
[20:20] <elfy> so - staging is the one I need
[20:20] <ochosi> yup
[20:20] <elfy> okey doke
[20:21] <ochosi> this one https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa is used for things we test for releases
[20:21] <ochosi> so basically those patches/fixes that havent been backported yet
[20:21] <elfy> bluesabre: re the stuff on staging - did you mail the list about the stuff needing testing?
[20:21] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so what I want I guess is the stuff that needs testing 
[20:22] <Unit193> Sooooo.  I don't really get why there's "Things to test" with "Daily builds" in the same place, but that may just be me.
[20:24] <elfy> no good asking me about which ppa - I'm completely confused :)
[20:27] <skellat> Congratulations to bluesabre for getting PPU rights to the Xubuntu packageset
[20:27] <elfy> hi skellat 
[20:28] <skellat> Hi, finally read through some backscroll today
[20:29] <skellat> Having been disappeared for 7 months working for nasty people doesn't help with my being able to participate effectively
[20:29] <elfy> such is life skellat - and just like for all of us - real life takes front stage :)
[20:29] <ochosi> wb skellat 
[20:29] <elfy> mmm
[20:30] <ochosi> Unit193: well some of those things to test are in active development
[20:30] <elfy> ochosi: any reason that xfce power manager data should be held back from this ppa that you know of?
[20:30] <ochosi> being on top of things and not having to manually update the ppa is convenient
[20:30] <ochosi> elfy: not really, no
[20:30] <ochosi> but i dunno, maybe a packaging problem
[20:30] <ochosi> i saw the i386 version had problems building
[20:30] <elfy> ok - bluesabre - if you could look ^^ when you're about - thanks
[20:31] <elfy> ok
[20:31] <elfy> ochosi: oh yes - seeing that 
[20:32] <ochosi> Unit193: any clue what's up with that ^ ?
[20:35] <Unit193> What?  The 386 build failure?  Not really paying much attention to that, but can't tell you anything without a buildlog.
[20:37] <Unit193> Last archive upload is still held up in NEW.
[20:39] <elfy> I'll leave upgrading for the moment 
[20:39] <Unit193> elfy: Normally apt will tell you why, no luck?
[20:40] <elfy> I've not looked tbh Unit193 - still catching up on a lack of sleep 
[20:40] <elfy> upgrade just says it's held back obviously
[21:10] <ochosi> Unit193: mind to add the ubuntu online summit dates (nov 4-6) to the team calendar?
[21:11] <ochosi> just so that we keep this on the radar someho
[21:11] <ochosi> w
[21:14] <Unit193> I'll add more detail to the description when it appears.
[21:17] <ochosi> ty
[21:19] <ochosi> Unit193: for some reason the dropbox plugin failed for saucy
[21:19] <ochosi> but yeah, i guess that's not a huge deal...
[21:19] <ochosi> as long as we have trusty and utopic
[21:21] <Unit193> Hmm?  Where?  For what?  Logs?
[21:21] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Congrats on upload rights. Is DM or MOTU next?
[21:21] <ochosi> Unit193: the copying failed
[21:23] <Unit193> ochosi: Do you really care enough to?  I could add it, but I see no reason to.
[21:23] <Unit193> !saucy
[21:27] <jessejazza> was there a reason for switching to 9 month for intermediate releases. I find LTS too out of date in the 2nd year. Yet six month too frequent. an annual release is about right and I always wonder why it hasn't been considered.
[21:31] <ochosi> jessejazza: we're mostly following ubuntu's release model
[21:31] <Unit193> That's part of the Ubuntu core project, not under our control.
[21:36] <jessejazza> I thought that. i wasn't being critical. just wondering. these days I keep a separate disk for work files and leave the system on the main disk. It's just that for a release every six months it seems a lot of work. 
[21:36] <Unit193> jessejazza: So, do you believe that they wouldn't become outdated in that one year time?
[21:39] <jessejazza> During the first year there are updates but when into the second year there are very much more. Just seems an annual release is about right but i'm happy to admit I'm wrong.
[21:40] <jessejazza> Ubuntu talk about a rolling release which I think would result in lack of stability
[21:41] <jessejazza> It's only fedora that do the six month release i think (apart from *buntu derivatives)
[21:41] <Unit193> Mhmm, would break a lot for Xubuntu too, so not a great idea.  I like the Debian model, where it filters down to "testing" though.
[21:43] <jessejazza> xubuntu to me is still the best distro. i don't want the bloat or fancy stuff. It's just right.
[21:46] <jessejazza> i wonder if some folk don't like the six month release cycle. I tried a few xfce distros a few months ago and xubuntu is by far the best - yet distrowatch doesn't reflect this
[21:49] <Unit193> Distrowatch isn't really a good way to track distro usage.  I use Xubuntu, I never visit the Xubuntu page on Distrowatch because I'm not "shopping", so I'd presume same for many others.
[21:50] <jessejazza> so how can one promote xubuntu more
[21:50] <ochosi> i guess what we really need is contributors, not primarily users
[21:51] <ochosi> (that's what i'd be most interested in anyway)
[21:52] <Noskcaj> jessejazza, We have t-shirts, mugs, and flyers, if that's what you mean promote
[21:53] <ochosi> folks, have any of you tried this? http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/xubuntu-how-to-put-maximized-windows.html
[21:53] <Noskcaj> Also most major social media things, a blog that you could make an article for, and (i think) a youtube channel somewhere
[21:54] <Noskcaj> ochosi, ew, webupd8
[21:59] <ochosi> Unit193: could you take a peek at the packaging there? http://ppa.launchpad.net/eugenesan/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfce4-windowck-plugin/
[21:59] <ochosi> could be interesting for -extras
[22:03] <Noskcaj> ochosi, It's missing a long description, and theres a few thing that just don't need to be in there.
[22:03] <Noskcaj> Could i have access to the xuubntu-dev PPAs?
[22:05] <ochosi> i guess the only way you can get access is via being added to xubuntu-dev
[22:05] <ochosi> we can discuss that at tomorrow's meeting with bluesabre 
[22:05] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:06] <Unit193> ochosi: There'd be several things to fix.
[22:07] <ochosi> Noskcaj: anyway, the way we did things with Unit193 for now was that he built the packages in his PPA, then they were tested and then copied over
[22:07] <Noskcaj> only 2.5 months till i can apply for MOTU again. sigh
[22:08] <ochosi> it's a bit more work that way, but not too much and it works for now
[22:08] <Unit193> Yep, works fine.
[22:09] <ochosi> Noskcaj: 2.5 months is not too bad, that's basically "after the summer" :)
[22:09] <Noskcaj> *winter
[22:10] <Unit193> ochosi: Remember, weird aus.
[22:11] <ochosi> oh, whooops
[22:12] <Noskcaj> I'm going to upload whiskermenu and a few other xfce apps straight to ubuntu, since corsac is unresponsive
[23:08] <bluesabre> looks like a list was left for me :)
[23:13] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[23:13] <ochosi> and congrats again :)
[23:13] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[23:14] <bluesabre> thanks
[23:16] <bluesabre> seems like the buildbots fail fairly frequently without a good reason
[23:17] <ochosi> humm :/
[23:17] <bluesabre> telling the builds to try again :)
[23:19] <bluesabre> elfy, yeah, I had mailed the lists, but somehow the packages never made it to -proposed, investigating
[23:25] <ochosi> night everyone
[23:31] <bluesabre> night ochosi