[00:15] ScottK: well, I looked into it, not worth it really [00:15] to do this properly one would have to dump card objects into the registry and then compare all cards ever against what the registry contains to then deduce changes [00:43] Yucl. [00:43] Yuck even. [01:19] ScottK: oh, actually I just found a way to possibly do this without much hassle [01:19] still some work [01:19] anyway, I am off to bed [08:03] ochosi: hola xubuntu! [08:03] ochosi: have you seen our trello board? [08:04] hey Riddell [08:04] yes we have [08:05] we did take a look at it when evaluating trello at the beginning of the cycle [08:05] in fact our QA team was using it internally already in 14.04 [08:06] any specific experience or intel that you'd wanna share? [08:10] nah not really [08:10] we set up an epics board recently for stuff which doesn't need to be done in one cycle [08:11] I'm actually just about to look at http://kanboard.net/downloads as an open alternative [08:11] never know when trello will start charging or taking away features [08:11] yeah [08:11] actually the best thing (imo) would be to improve launchpad [08:12] it sucks a bit that trello has no launchpad integration [08:12] makes a lot of steps that could be automatic manual [08:12] ochosi: what does your irc bot do? [08:12] it reads out cards [08:12] it could also write cards [08:12] but then it [08:13] 'd need a separate account [08:14] probably it could also do other things, Unit193 is the one maintaining it [08:55] ScottK: could you please look at ksnakeduel in utopic-proposed? It needs the ktron binary removed [10:06] apachelogger: KDE SC/KF5 version updated not very elegant http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=sysadmin%2Frelease-tools.git&a=blob&h=deb57e0274bb59b55eb25dc51bea185bccbf5d35&hb=9bdfc339307d09b9d9efc22efd5fe16c980d88dd&f=UPDATING_VERSIONS [10:07] what the [10:08] I did say :) [10:09] apachelogger: but turns out I need the create_sources_inc script from there, I'm sure a souces-inc-me would work nicer of course [10:10] Riddell: what does that do? [10:12] apachelogger: makes http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/info/source-plasma-5.0.0.inc?view=log [10:16] Riddell: and that's generated by the release script Oo [10:17] apachelogger: no by this simple bash script http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=sysadmin%2Frelease-tools.git&a=blob&f=create_sources_inc [10:22] * apachelogger squints at the madness [10:23] Riddell: I'll put it on my todo [10:23] waaattt [10:23] what happeend to bugzilla [10:23] apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337442#c3 [10:24] KDE bug 337442 in general "kdoctools only builds a static lib" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] [10:24] ah disabled [10:27] shadeslayer: if they say so [10:31] shadeslayer: the updated theme ben installed broke things so he had to revert back to default [10:31] right [10:50] feed branches-next had 8 updates, showing the latest 6 [10:59] 'Morning folks [11:19] Riddell: is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7798047/really needed [11:19] for kdewebkit [11:20] shadeslayer: um is that a patch in the package? [11:21] yes [11:21] in kdewebkit [11:21] scrap it then, obsolete [11:21] compiles fine without [11:21] roger [11:50] feed branches-next had 10 updates, showing the latest 6 [12:01] ScottK: ^ that what you had in mind? [12:12] oh god no, kubotu still uses bdb -.- [12:14] tsimpson: ping please install libtokyocabinet-dev on ubottu [12:15] on a related note I am looking into transiting to a $HOME based ruby install to allow automated gem control [12:17] Riddell: good morning, what needs working on. [12:17] hi sgclark! [12:17] hi :) [12:18] sgclark: red bits here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html [12:18] probably plasma-workspace just needs a retry [12:18] plasma-desktop missing some files [12:18] Riddell: on it [12:22] apachelogger: installed [12:24] apachelogger: Nice. [12:24] tsimpson: thank you [12:28] pft [12:28] tsimpson: and tokyocabinet-bin please [12:29] Riddell: ^ there bin packages always make more work :P [12:30] done [12:32] tsimpson: and libbz2-dev [12:32] also done :) [12:35] tsimpson: thanks I think it's all there now ^^ [12:43] apachelogger: how so? [12:43] because the bins are not there when they should be there [12:44] you mean they don't get depended on magically by shlibs? [12:44] recommends works, needs things added to symbols files to be sure [12:44] recommends works as long as recommends are installed [12:47] just fyi apparently the kubuntu kf5 packages are being imported in debian [12:49] ooh? [12:50] extra-cmake-modules was uploaded to unstable and I presume it's waiting in NEW [12:50] ooh, exciting [12:51] and git repos for karchive and kdoctools were created [12:51] sgclark: more taking over the world! ↑ [12:51] no changes except for Vcs and maintainers field and such so far [12:52] Riddell: nice :) [12:55] ** Plasma 5.0 is out! https://dot.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5.0 [12:56] so today debian's became kubuntu's downstream [12:56] santa_: not really [12:56] yes [12:56] sgclark: please take care of copyright files in the future : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kconfigwidgets/revision/40 [12:56] nah, they're sucking it back up (in a good way) [12:56] ^^ [12:57] santa_: one of the core ideals in ubuntu is to push packaging back into Debian [12:57] it's less upstream/downstream, more like a whirlpool [12:58] hottub! [13:00] shadeslayer: sorry I don't understand.. something needs to fixed or ? [13:01] sgclark: no, I already fixed it [13:01] just thought I'd point it out for the future :) [13:01] the copyright wasn't in the right format [13:01] sgclark: he means it's tidying up the bits where the script says -? next to a file it doesn't know the licence for [13:01] Riddell: and the license stub as well [13:01] shadeslayer: ahh I see, yeah that was my first days of copyright helper, I have gotten better, will look out [13:01] cheerio [13:04] Riddell: would that be a good project today for me? clean up all the copyrights? [13:05] sgclark: sure would, if you can manage so much fun :) [13:06] lol [13:06] the reds should be green when the post [13:06] s/the/they/ [13:09] sgclark: fwiw all those tests that used dh_installwm openbox, don't actually run https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179563259/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.kiconthemes_5.0.0a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_UPLOADING.txt.gz [13:09] so I've converted those to autopkgtests [13:11] ohm [13:11] trello meets IRC :D [13:12] ScottK: done, polls every 30 seconds, also only a handful of the more useful events (card movement, comments, creation) [13:12] Sounds perfect. [13:12] In Ubuntu, if an IRC bot doesn't notice it, it didn't happen. [13:13] shadeslayer: ahh ok, we needed to switch to autopkgtests anyway right? [13:13] yes and no [13:14] http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/trello.rb [13:14] clear as mud! [13:14] :P [13:14] sgclark: some of the tests are still run after build time [13:14] if someone feels that an important event is missing feel free to add handling 'case action.type' is where the magic happens [13:14] some are on autopkgtest [13:16] sgclark: to answer your question, I'm converting tests which have different runtime deps for tests [13:16] for eg. openbox etc [13:16] so as to decouple build deps from test deps [13:16] shadeslayer: ok, is there a link to autopkgtest info I can study [13:16] makes sense [13:17] well, look at kwindowsystem for a simple example [13:18] ok [13:18] * Riddell yet to learn about autopkgtest [13:18] Riddell: your link does noti work https://dot.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5.0 [13:19] works for me [13:19] now it worked [13:19] :) [13:19] it caches somehow [13:19] magic ;o [13:20] packages for kubuntu are available already ? [13:20] not yet, just fixing up some bits, will be shortly [13:22] or, just use neon [13:22] bah, neon is old school, all the cool kids use the real packages now [13:22] nah, i have unicorn with plasma-5 rc installed as aprimarty system so i need just an upgrade :) [13:24] apachelogger: have the kde-i18n coders had any opinion on libkubuntu? [13:28] Riddell: plasma-desktop/workspace are done, does milou need a package rename? [13:29] sgclark: for "W: plasma-widget-milou-kf5: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libmilou5" [13:29] nah just override that lintian error [13:30] sgclark: I uploaded libmm-qt, because it has a different version number it won't be on build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html but you can check over the build log to make sure everything is good [13:31] ok [13:32] uh oh, build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html broke [13:32] that thing badly needs bugfixes [13:36] * BluesKaj reinstalled default desktop... plasma5 wasn't working for me [13:38] Riddell: not really other than the previous mapping logic for lang being insufficient [13:38] apachelogger: I wonder what they would make of it [13:39] manchicken! come to try out Plasma 5.0! [13:40] Riddell: Is it stable enough to perform job-related work on? [13:40] This is my work machine. [13:40] (ThinkGeek, Inc. uses Kubuntu, btw. You're welcome :P ) [13:40] cool :) [13:40] We have three Dell lappies using Kubuntu here. [13:41] does that mean we could get a dozen kubuntu baseball shirts? [13:41] Riddell: what would they? it's distro nonesense :P [13:42] manchicken: cos I still haven't replied to this e-mail, we could get our own softball team http://paste.kde.org/pdromcrra [13:42] for plasma5 we'll need to reinvent the wheel upstream anyway, we haven't really talked details but pretty much agreed that apachelogger needs to come up with distro hooking capabilities [13:43] apachelogger: who's "we"? [13:43] Nice. [13:44] Riddell: Is Plasma 5 good for regular use? [13:44] If so I'll upgrade now. [13:44] (I'd need the PPA though) [13:44] I need to learn this new framework that people keep talking about that Harald has been porting qapt to. [13:45] Riddell: chusslove jlayt and I [13:45] manchicken: give it a few hours packages still compiling, but yes if you don't mind a few rough edges you can use it for sure, it's pretty stable [13:45] Cool. I wonder how hard it would be to switch back and forth. [13:46] not tried that, it's not currently supported, but would be interesting to know what it would take [13:46] probably not much, just switch which meta package is installed [14:37] apachelogger or anyone, you may be interested in this test kanboard, AGPL replacement for trello [14:37] kanboard.kubuntu.co.uk test/plasma5 [14:37] ochosi: ↑ [14:38] not as slick but shows promise [14:38] Riddell: Does it have an easy way to publish any changes you make to the code? AGPL compliance is a real PITA if the structure for it isn't built into the system. [14:39] Riddell: shadeslayer: ok, so kfilemetadata needs fix to resolve file conflict on install, which I did, but now when I try to buildpackage-ppa I get Distribution is not UNRELEASED. What do I do? [14:39] your changelog sounds wrong [14:39] either you didn't add a new changelog entry, or you already released it [14:40] sgclark: pastebin : head debian/changelog [14:40] if latter, just use 'bzr builddeb -S' [14:40] hmm I last edited kfilemetadata [14:40] I may have done it wrong [14:40] -kfilemetadata (4:5.0.0a-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium [14:40] +kfilemetadata (5.0.0a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1) utopic; urgency=medium [14:41] sgclark: yes I committed the changelog which one should not do for a PPA package generally [14:41] sgclark: please fix it for me, remove ~ version and set to UNRELEASED [14:41] ok thank you === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [14:42] uhm, also, sgclark: please be a bit more verbose for changelog entries... 'add new lib' -> which one? 'Add Replace -data' -> to what? [14:42] sure all is tracked in bzr... but I don't really want to *have to* look at bzr to find out what changed [14:43] yofel: ok will work on improving that [14:44] feel free to read some of the kde sc package changelogs, plenty of examples there :) [14:44] will do, thank you [14:46] ScottK: nope don't think so [14:47] Then being AGPL, don't change anything. [14:48] sgclark: FWIW, how I work is: edit what I want, write the changelog for it, run bzr commit (which internally calls debcommit) so the bzr commit message is pre-filled with my changelog entries so I can just submit that [14:49] that way I'm also not tempted to write junk commit messages ^^ [14:49] Riddell: more importantly, does it have a rest api with ruby client lib :P [14:49] otherwise feature loss [14:50] probably not [14:51] yofel: ok. I am watching closer as to what dch is doing, this seems to be where my problem is. I am running just dch without switches but not getting the results as everyone else. Anyway, working on that and will improve my overall message. [14:51] * yofel notes that down. If you don't want to use $new_software, use random feature of $software that's missing in $new_software so the switch causes a regression :D [14:51] Riddell: well the slickness is only a bit of css and icons, that can be improved (or even branded for each flavor). the main question from my side would be whether launchpad connections could be made more easily and where it could be hosted [14:52] yofel: also I have been using -m with bzr commit, will stop doing that. [14:53] sgclark: I like using that too, but with packages the debcommit behavior is just nicer [14:54] Riddell: that being said, needs wiring with identity.kde I guess [14:54] at the very least [14:55] yes [14:55] I think the docs said it can do other login types so that should be do-able [15:11] ScottK: ooh konversation has a frameworks branch, could this be the trigger to switch back? [15:13] ooh, I use konversation [15:20] whee, konv frameworks for the win [15:22] cool [15:23] Riddelll: latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-version on kfilemetadata now [15:24] * sgclark thinks it is something with epoch on 4.13.2 [15:24] sgclark: yes I think that's just because I removed the epoch [15:24] which I did incase kfilemetadata goes into frameworks at some point [15:24] so ignore it [15:24] ok [15:32] Good afternoon. [15:34] almost evening, but hi :) [15:34] do the spanish even have an evening? [15:34] ;) [15:34] it's just tardes goes into noches no? [15:34] tardes is evening isn't it [15:35] * yofel is having dr. withdrawal symptoms and read tardis [15:36] * sgclark is too [15:36] new dr who trailer [15:36] http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p022sxks [15:36] That's what I read too.. [15:36] \o/ [15:37] * lordievader clicks link :D [15:39] Awesome :D [15:40] malcom tucker will make a great doctor, the scottish doctors are always the best [15:41] Riddell: baloo-kf5... I am rather confused, doesn't match bazaar and it is all sorts of broken on install [15:41] oh more of my breakage? [15:42] * Riddell looks [15:42] Riddelll: yes, changed from 5 to 1 on libs and trying to overwrite errors [15:43] sgclark: commited my changes, sorry [15:43] no worries [15:45] Riddell: plasma-desktop.desktop [15:45] plasma-desktop: /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop [15:54] sgclark: ok if I install plasma-desktop to rebuild with new baloo? [15:54] if I upload rather [15:54] \-- -f=d [15:54] (sorry, child's ferret found my keyboard to walk on) [15:54] rdieter: having troubles with your Plasma 5 install are you? [15:54] ah, same difference :) [15:55] Riddell: baloo is still building [15:56] will wait till that publishes then [16:04] Riddell: I am stumped on this one: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package libkf5filemetadata-bin [16:04] sgclark: oh I added that into by editing the .symbols file [16:04] so now anything which depends on the lib will also depend on the -bin [16:04] bit of an experiment [16:04] ahh ok, so ignore? [16:04] yep [16:08] Riddell: ok everything I can fix for builds is done, baloo posting soon. I need to take my walk before it gets too hot, will work on copyrights and add stable to plasma watch files when I get back. [16:09] Riddell: re Konversation, I think Quassel will have a frameworks version as well (they already have Qt5 support in trunk), so I don't think so. Of course if you're looking for an excuse, meh - whatever. [16:09] Is quassel KDE? [16:09] sgclark: great, I hope that when I upload this plasma-desktop rebuild that means kubuntu-plasma5-desktop will install and run [16:09] and then I'll write a nice big release blog :) [16:10] although I'm going out to talk spanish for a couple of hours [16:10] :) post a link I will share [16:10] no worries I will be gone a bit as well [16:10] sgclark: Quassel has both Qt and KDE versions. We provide both. [16:10] sgclark: slightly controvertial that one, quassel has a version which uses kdelibs but isn't itself part of the community [16:10] ScottK: oh cool, I will check it out :) [16:11] sgclark: we changed from konversation to quassel because there was no kde4 version at the time and haven't had a reason to change back [16:11] Right. It's KDE using software, but not a KDE project. [16:11] Whereas Konversation is both. [16:15] BluesKaj: what did you do to go back to plasma 4? did anything break as a result? [16:16] Riddell, I reinstalled the whole OS to /...all is fine [16:16] ah, boring [16:17] far more breakage if you don't [16:18] :) [16:43] Riddell: everything uploaded from tier 3 except kxmlgui and plasma [16:43] too tired to do those [16:44] so incase anyone wants to finish off tier 3, those 2 are left ^^ [18:16] how sthe work on plasma5 going ? :) [18:21] soee: putting in another file conflict fix [18:21] ;o [18:21] what conflict exactly ? [18:22] plasma-nm - building now [18:22] the data package was removed and needed a replaces [18:24] othe -data packages also have been removed, they are not needed ? [18:34] soee: nah that were put back, Riddell removed from plasma-nm though, I am guessing it wasn't needed. [19:08] soee: plasma is ready for install/testing :) [19:08] sgclark: next ppa ? [19:10] yeah [19:10] soee: ^ [19:14] hola [19:15] dependency errors [19:15] plasma-desktop : Wymaga: plasma-desktop-data (= 4:5.0.0a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa3) ale 4:5.0.0a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 jest zainstalowany [19:16] i did forceoverwrite [19:16] hope it wont break anything :) [19:16] haave no idea what that says sorry [19:17] well I got a kwin-x11 has stopped working :( [19:18] brb logout, if i wont go back, something is wrong :) [19:19] hmm, plasma did not start [19:20] had to do it manually [19:20] uh oh [19:21] I think I made a mistake by making the meta package have a new name, now you need to install the meta package and dist-upgrade [19:21] I am having issues too, everything piling in corner, no kicker, all my settings gone [19:21] oh, ok will try that [19:22] what meta package ? [19:23] kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [19:23] Riddell: nothing to upgrade [19:24] I did install kubunut-plasma5-desktop [19:24] oh wait, I am having dbus issue [19:25] nevermind, I don't know issue I am having [19:25] brb reboot [19:25] aside from this not usable :( [19:27] ok plasma starts now :) [19:29] uhm bu i have no icons in system settings [19:31] none? [19:31] none :D [19:33] got oxygen-icon-theme installed? [19:33] i did select the breeze [19:33] and ended up with http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/15/plasmanextsyssettings.png :) [19:35] hmm, I have a window manager but no plasma [19:35] saame [19:37] hmm what's plasmashell missing [19:38] oh I have plasmashell running, but it only shows the menu in the top left [19:39] KServiceTypeTrader: serviceType "Plasma/LayoutTemplate" not found [19:39] that sounds important [19:40] Riddell: I have stuff piled in the top left. But I can't do anything. Is that the same issue? [19:41] nah I can add panels and widgets [19:42] ahh, that I cannot. hmm [19:43] :) [19:43] looks likeim the lucky one [19:43] whee, got it now [19:43] install breeze [19:43] killall plasmashell; rm ~/.config/plasma*; plasmashell [19:44] looking good now [19:44] i have this packages marked as not needed: libkf5auth-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkonq6 libprison-dev plasma-nm-data plasma-workspace-data [19:45] should be fine [19:45] Riddell: this config removel as you posted is required ? [19:46] soee: dunno but it made it work for me [19:46] worrying if it is required [19:46] but it's all been unreleased until this afternoon so I guess it's ok [19:52] Riddell: breeze and your command worked :) looks great! [19:54] soee: hmm , my systemsettings has icons. not sure there [19:55] sgclark: i have 3 entries on icons list atm, Breeze, Bryza (translated to polsih Breeze and oxygen) [19:55] i have selected Bryza, systemsettings missing only Shortcuts icons but ll context menus etc dont have any now [19:56] oh, this is a translations/locales issue I think. I am not going to be helpful there :( Riddell? [19:57] um, wibble, no idea sorry [20:01] meta package uploaded with breeze added [20:13] eek plasma-workspace-wallpapers wasn't in the archive! [20:13] * Riddell fixes [20:16] :) [20:17] Riddell: don't think libmm-qt is either [20:17] not sure how important that is [20:18] umm.. but I did [20:18] yeah it's there https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next/+packages?field.name_filter=libmm&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= [20:18] ok cool [20:19] right, time to blog [20:21] twitt :) [20:32] * Riddell blogs https://blogs.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5-here-all-ready-eat-your-babies [20:41] * sgclark giggles [21:32] hello Riddell, I can't find kfilemetadata in kde's ftp, is this omission intended? [21:33] santa_: check download.kde.org? [21:35] shadeslayer: as expected doesn't have the tar either. if it's not in the ftp... [21:35] not necessarily [21:35] ftp is deprecated [21:35] not sure why they don't just shoot it in the head [21:37] yay [21:37] ftr I mean kfilemetadata from frameworks [21:37] right [21:40] santa_: http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.0.0/ [21:40] it's right there [21:40] 4th from the top [21:42] shadeslayer: ok, still not available in the ftp [21:42] see my statements above [21:42] ftp is deprecated [21:43] whatever, is still used for pre-release tarballs [21:43] no it's not [21:43] why they are available in depot.kde.org then? [21:43] everyone migrated to depot.kde.org [21:43] depot.kde.org is not ftpmaster [21:44] whatever, I acces it via sftp [21:44] again, *different* things [21:44] that's what I meant [21:44] basically workflow is : upload to depot.kde.org , make it available on download.kde.org [21:45] please don't use ftpmaster.kde.org [21:45] and I don't, I got the corresponding mail time ago [21:46] ftpubuntu@depot:~$ ls -l stable/plasma/5.0.0/kfilemetadata-5.0.0.tar.xz [21:46] -rw-r--r-- 1 ftpadmin packager 85372 Jul 11 11:22 stable/plasma/5.0.0/kfilemetadata-5.0.0.tar.xz [21:46] santa_: ^^ [21:46] ah, damn [21:46] it's from plasma, not frameworks [21:46] nevermind [21:46] yes, because it isn't a framework, yet [21:47] oh god [21:47] stupid bzr [21:49] git ftw [21:49] git-bzr ftw [21:49] well, I'll use bzr till such time I can figure out git build-package :p [22:03] exciting day, congratulations to all of you who made this happen [22:10] ty valorie, assuming your talking about plasma lol [22:11] and the frameworks which are the foundation [22:11] you've made a huge contribution, sgclark [22:12] * valorie goes off to run [22:16]