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vasilQUESTION:Will the SDK be ported to other systems that use unix software i.e MAC13:36
ChloeWolfieGirl_MEWTH!13:36
fatah_QUESTION : please i want to install ubuntu on an external hard disk drive. who can explain me what to do ?13:38
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mohamed_how to install lotus nots & how to make user can't use usb flash on his pc13:39
quickhathahaha.. i thought this online terminal.. thats why i tried to issue ls command13:40
mohamed_is there a program can control all pc in network like netsupport13:41
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quickhathey guys watsup13:42
swandikai cant see the streaming video13:42
swandikawhat shoul i do13:42
fatah_i think that it's not a streaming video13:43
swandikail try reload the page13:44
fatah_it was made on 2014-7-1013:44
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mhall119today's live stream starts at 1500 UTC, or in about 45 minutes14:15
AgentXxhello14:39
earplugHowdy folks14:42
GranadoEspandaola14:43
canyousmellhey14:46
* DanChapman waves14:47
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helloworld_how are you guys?14:49
earplugwhen does this start?14:51
balloons10 mins :-)14:51
GranadoEspandaIs this common ?14:51
balloonshey everyone14:51
earplugdo you think they will talk about the ubuntu phone?14:51
balloonsevery week at this time we hold a live Q and A14:52
Shwetankhello everyone'14:52
Shwetank10 minutes?14:52
earplugUbuntu phone? hummm?14:53
* DanChapman taps balloons "Hey there stranger" :-)14:53
balloonshey DanChapman !14:53
balloonsdoing well I trust?14:53
SHARPhi14:54
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tangim_hi all14:54
nogueirahello!?14:54
Guest85360114:54
DanChapmanballoons, yes doing well thanks :-) How about you?14:55
dpmhi everyone! o/14:55
dpmgetting ready for kick off in about 5 mins14:56
nabihi14:56
dpmhi nabi14:56
nabihi14:56
hakanx1912hi14:56
nabidpm14:56
BlekyHi14:56
mhall119everybody please refresh the ubuntuonair.com page,the previous video link was broken14:59
balloonsDanChapman, feeling better today. I've had houseguests for 3 weeks15:00
dpmok, about to start now!15:00
EarplugIT'SS  ALIVE15:01
EarplugI hear ya loud and clear!15:02
dpmplease prepend QUESTION like that15:04
dpmhi all! o/15:04
Piotrek_Hello15:05
richieQUESTION: Are there any plans for bigger changes/features for the next Ubuntu 14.10 desktop edition?15:05
hakanx1912?15:06
tangimhi15:07
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: Do you feel canonical is spreading itself to gin with Ubuntu 14.10, Mir, Unity 8, Desktop, Tablet and phone?15:07
dshimerSuggestion for guests, how about getting folks from non-canonical but related companies or industries to come chat and field questions.  For example companies that use Ubuntu (or Linux in general) as an active part of their business plan, hardware companies who try to support Linux or who offer employees time to be active in development or community, or folks from projects that are closely tied to or really popular in Ubuntu15:07
Piotrek_Question: I'd like to ask aobut Ubuntu touch - there is almost nothing new in internet... Also no news about Mir - i have an impression that those plans has lost their initial vigor. Is there a plan to release them quickly?15:08
tangimi have complain about code names of last 2 ubuntu releases15:09
mhall119Piotrek_: did you see the Mir 0.3 and 0.4 announcements?15:09
NagainQUESTION; will there be any chance that Ubuntu Touch support iphone 415:09
balloonshere's the link to the cd images for unity8 live session: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/15:10
balloonshave a look at this page as well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8DesktopIso15:10
Piotrek_mhall199: yes, but it was originally anonunced to be a part of Ubuntu in 2013 ... but still is not. Also i don't think it will e a part of 14.1015:10
balloonsdshimer, interesting suggestion, I'll note it. Anyone you'd like to see personally?15:11
mhall119Piotrek_: that plan was to use Mir as system compositor, and Xmir (modified Xorg) to run Unity 7 + Compiz15:11
mhall119that all worked, and I actually ran it for almost a year15:11
mhall119but the Xmir bit had some regressions, so it was decided not to enable that setup by default15:11
trafficjamWhat are your plans to be even more felt and embraced in the corporate scene esp. 3rd world countries? Thanks15:13
AgentXxhello15:13
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: When will Ubuntu be the No1 used OS?15:13
balloonshttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone15:13
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ChloeWolfieGirl_While creating Unity8 are you looking at other possible devices so that you won't have to create a completely new GUI if you ever make a Console or Watch version of Ubuntu?15:14
dshimerballoons: Dell, HP, Nvidia, Hosting services who us it, Google, Gimp, LibreOffice, Mozilla (examples of a long list), I have heard all these names on one context or another and would love to hear thoughts, use cases, plans....... etc.15:15
Piotrek_thanks :)15:15
balloonsporting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting15:16
EarplugIt already is !!!15:18
trafficjamWhat are your plans to be even more felt and embraced in the corporate scene esp. 3rd world countries? Thanks15:18
mhall119ChloeWolfieGirl_: you forgot to use QUESTION on your second one15:18
trafficjamwoops15:19
mhall119trafficjam: yeah, you too :)15:19
trafficjamQUESTION: What are your plans to be even more felt and embraced in the corporate scene esp. 3rd world countries? Thanks15:19
ChloeWolfieGirl_mhall119: thank you ^-^,15:19
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: While creating Unity8 are you looking at other possible devices so that you won't have to create a completely new GUI if you ever make a Console or Watch version of Ubuntu?15:19
EarplugIs Ubuntu working to get more native support for things such as Netflix, Amazon Prime, and other on demand content?15:20
vipor29question: how long have you guys been in the linux scene for and do you still use windows or totally linux15:20
mhall119Earplug: start your questions with QUESTION in all caps15:21
RPi_AwesomenessYeah, I like vipor's question. To expand on it, have you found software that replaces most of your needed software on Windows15:21
mhall119vipor29: 100% linux, RPi_Awesomeness yes15:22
RPi_AwesomenessNice :)15:22
mhall119then again, I was a software dev, so finding *nix tools was easier than finding them for windows15:22
dazzaCan we maybe go through creating tests from scratch and a tutorial on how to contribute?15:23
RPi_Awesomeness_I see...nice :D15:23
dazzaI can read the online docs, but seeing it in action would be nice too.15:23
mhall119dazza: start it with QUESTIOn, also he may have a video on that already15:23
EarplugQUESTION Is Ubuntu working to get more native support for things such as Netflix, Amazon Prime, and other on demand content?15:23
vipor29i found that video editing software was alot easier in linux than in windows,everything is way out of reach for windows15:24
dazzaQUESTION: can we see a walkthrough of the QA contribution process? Like starting and contributing a test from scratch.15:24
dshimerdpm: Just to be clear, that llist wasn't a question, I was just replying to "who would I like to see as guests".  Just and expansion of my earlier suggestion.15:25
RPi_AwesomenessQUESTION: Is there any plans to bring Ubuntu stores that sell Ubuntu gear to the USA?15:26
RPi_Awesomeness*Are there15:26
RPi_AwesomenessWoo hoo! Go Google!15:26
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: With Ubuntu Touch are people within canonical working with people who make desktop apps for Canonical to create Ubuntu Touch apps such as Firefox, the people who make Venom/Tox, IRC clients, VLC, etc to make sure Ubuntu Touch keeps getting more community support and better Ubuntu Touch apps?15:28
RPi_Awesomeness^^15:28
JoshyMcD 15:29
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: Will mir do anything for end users, will it make things look and feel smoother on the desktop, etc?15:29
ChloeWolfieGirl_Thats petty awesome15:30
sonumand will it be more stable?15:30
RPi_Awesomeness^^ Agreed15:30
mhall119nik90_: I'm still not tired of watching Flashback's convergence :)15:31
RPi_Awesomenesswhat was that app called again?15:33
RPi_Awesomeness:P15:33
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: Why would a developer who are making Android and Iphone apps, make an Ubuntu Touch app?15:33
RPi_AwesomenessWhere did that question come from? It's not here...twitter?15:33
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ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: I meant like over just keeping those two, looking at WP and Blackberry who are failing and looking at Firefox and Sailfish who may also take up developing time, why would they choose Ubuntu Touch?15:35
trafficjamthank you!15:35
nik90_mhall119: :)15:36
RPi_AwesomenessYou-buntu? I thought it was pronounced oo-boontoo15:37
openMDPgood question15:37
RPi_Awesomenesslol15:39
mp151what are the smallest computing platforms (for example, raspberry pi, humming board, etc) that ubuntu is tested and can run?15:40
sonumQUESTION: why ubuntu doesn't belive in that if something works, its better to leave it that way instead of changing everything for a better outline? I mean, every system upgrade makes my system unstable. Debian is not my thing, as hardware is not well supported. It isn't a way of just keeping things stable and increase hardware compatibility?15:41
RPi_AwesomenessRunning up-to-date Ubuntu on Raspberry Pi is currently impossible, as there is no ARMv6 port (the arch the RPi's CPU is) for Ubuntu.15:41
RPi_AwesomenessJust an FYI15:42
mhall119sonum: LTS is what you want to use15:42
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: After Meizu and BQ release the first Ubuntu Touch Phones, whats next, or should I ask who? Sony, Black berry, Nokia, dare I say Apple, will Apple be shipping iPhones with Ubuntu Touch on it? (Dreams)15:42
RPi_AwesomenessApple. Hah!15:42
RPi_AwesomenessI think Sony would probably be the next15:42
sonumyes, I have tried LTS, but it doesn't stay as it was at the beginning. Some important changes are made. Its true that is more stable than mainline, but I reckon that is not enoughly stable15:43
mhall119ChloeWolfieGirl_: keep dreaming :)15:43
RPi_AwesomenessBlackberry and Nokia are too proprietary15:43
ChloeWolfieGirl_RPi_Awesomeness: I could see Sony making an Ubuntu Touch phone, but the only problem would be what canonical has already said, and aligning expectations software wise with users!15:43
ChloeWolfieGirl_mhall119: SPOILER ALERT xD <315:44
ChloeWolfieGirl_RPi_Awesomeness: especially with what they could do with the Scopes!15:44
mhall119It would be a major change for Blackberry to ship someone else's OS, and Nokia is still restricted by their MS agreement on what phones they can ship15:44
RPi_AwesomenessEspecially seeing as Nokia is owned by Microsoft. Yeah, they did Android, but that's not a full-fledged desktop OS like Ubuntu is that could challenge Windows15:44
Stian_so Google Hangout works fine with Ubuntu?15:45
RPi_AwesomenessChloeWolfieGirl_: Agreed15:45
mhall119RPi_Awesomeness: MS only bought the Lumia business, not all of Nokia15:45
mhall119Stian_: yup15:45
RPi_Awesomenessmhall119: Oh, I see15:45
sonummhall119: yes, I have tried LTS, but it doesn't stay as it was at the beginning. Some important changes are made. Its true that is more stable than mainline, but I reckon that is not enoughly stable15:45
RPi_AwesomenessStian_: That's handy15:45
mhall119sonum: what updates have caused you problems on an LTS?15:46
sonumubiquity, i have problems with repositories also15:46
sonumI have uploaded to launchpad also15:47
mhall119ubiquity the installer?15:47
sonumyes15:47
mhall119why are you re-running the installer?15:47
sonumbecause I reinstall ubuntu on a PC15:47
sonumwith the last CD iso15:48
RPi_AwesomenessI was meaning more regarding US-based *online* stores, but okay. Good to know that stores selling pre-installed Ubuntu are coming :D15:48
mhall119so your problems were not an update on an installed system15:48
sonumfor ubiquity no15:48
mhall119I don't think ubiquity gets many changes after a release15:48
mhall119I'd be surprised if it got any, tbh15:49
sonumi didn't think so, but it stroke me15:49
Bogdan__The romanian translations for Ubuntu Touch are not reviewed. I translated some expresions, but no one looked on them...15:50
vasilQUESTION:Will ubuntu make a competetor for the google web api15:51
danielquisbert:D15:51
RPi_AwesomenessThat's an interesting idea15:52
ChubfishHello! Is there any plans to change the layout/look of Ubuntu Software Center? A more Unity feel/look to it ?15:52
sonumChubfish: why change Ubuntu Software Center? better to make ir smoother and faster15:54
Chubfishsonum sure, just feels a bit outdated, the look that is15:54
mhall119Chubfish: start your questions with QUESTION so they see it15:55
Chubfishthanks mhall11915:55
ChubfishQUESTION Hello! Is there any plans to change the layout/look of Ubuntu Software Center? A more Unity feel/look to it ?15:55
sonumthanks!15:55
RPi_Awesomeness*dramatic music ...15:57
RPi_AwesomenessI can't confirm any names15:58
balloonshehe15:58
mhall119we need a software senator15:58
ChubfishCool, thank you15:58
ChubfishSTATEMENT: You're awesome ;)15:59
HuffQuestion: Will Ubuntu ever come preloaded with both Unity and the basic desktop layouts?15:59
asease42hello why ubuntu is to slowly for gpu ?15:59
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mhall119Huff: we have different flavors for different desktop environments, including Gnome 3, KDE, Xfce and LXDE16:00
mhall119there's also work to make Cinnamon and MATE available to install16:00
RPi_AwesomenessQUESTION: Will a future project be installing software from the dash?16:00
HuffOk.16:00
* mhall119 started using Evernote syncing, so happy to have that :)16:01
balloonsdazza, hey, glad to hear your interest in writing tests. Are you able to make it today @ 1900?16:02
jjbehroozx16:02
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balloonsRPi_Awesomeness, more or less that will be the future16:02
balloonshttp://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic16:03
balloonshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hackfest/20140715 has the details. Hope everyone interested can make it at 1900 UTC today :-016:04
ChloeWolfieGirl_Its been awesome :316:05
RPi_AwesomenessSweet! I'll try!16:05
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: You sure no Apple uPhone? xD16:05
stian_Great HD stream there16:05
stian_good to see a Ubuntu performing this16:06
openMDPthanks!16:06
ChloeWolfieGirl_bah bah xD16:06
RPi_AwesomenessChloeWolfieGirl_: hah16:06
RPi_AwesomenessThat would be interesting looking16:06
stian_ok bye16:06
RPi_Awesomenesso/16:06
ChloeWolfieGirl_RPi_Awesomeness: I don't even want an apple phone, it'd just be awesome to see Apple presenting Ubuntu Touch as there next phone xD16:07
dshimerThanks guys16:07
RPi_AwesomenessThat would Lol16:07
balloonslol16:07
supersebhello when is there going to be back in the hdmi sound options for amd graphics card16:35
xnoxmhall119: ubiquity get's a ton of changes in point releases of LTS. Intermediate releases have no way to get updated ubiquity, as no media is re-released for those.17:20
jajahahahello17:25
Stresssand what about unity?17:25
StresssI think Debian made the right decision to use xfce as default desktop17:27
Stressswith some work i think they will make the perfect desktop17:27
giampierodNope17:29
mhall119xnox: thanks, it still seemed like an odd thing to complain about destabilizing an exisitng isntall though17:31
xnoxmhall119: yeah.17:31
shookeeshi18:00
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mrrpchello guys18:21
shookeeshey, so hackfest's up in around 10 minutes, right?18:48
balloonsshookees, yep that's right18:53
balloonswe'll be starting in about 10 mins18:53
shookeesballoons, are there any prereqs apart from python;autopilot?18:53
balloonsshookees, no. for the automated tests, autopilot will be used. For manual tests, you just need to be able to read and write english :-)18:54
balloonshello everyone.. We'll be starting in about 4 mins18:56
rogercarderGood evening all, Roger18:58
elfyhi rogercarder18:58
balloonswe're live19:00
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balloonshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hackfest/2014071519:01
elfyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/134035519:04
balloonsremember any questions, feel free to shout out with QUESTION :-)19:04
balloonshttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests19:06
balloonsfor those new to bzr and launchpad, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Launchpad19:10
shookeesQuestion: what elfy did was create a new branch?19:13
shookeesyes, thanks19:15
rogercarderI think I need to watch a month of tutorials.....19:17
elfyrogercarder: as far as manual test writing goes - it's really a lot easier than you might think19:18
elfyas balloons said - I managed :)19:18
balloonsrogercarder, the beauty is, since we're here, you don't have to watch all those tutorials ;-) Give it a whirl and ask questions19:20
elopiohttp://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/autopilot/emulator/ubuntuuitoolkit.html#ubuntuuitoolkit.emulators.QQuickListView19:20
elopiohttp://pad.ubuntu.com/contributing-toolkit-helpers19:22
balloonsthis part Leo is covering deals with the automated side of writing testcases19:22
balloonsif you are wanting to write manual tests, feel free to watch the first half with elfy explaining things. Grab a bug from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize and give it a try19:26
* elfy is hanging about waiting for any questions re that19:27
balloonsshookees, or rogercarder care to give it a try?19:28
shookeesQuestion: is it necessary to use the newest staging instead of the autopilot from default repos?19:28
shookeesballoons, yes I'm checking it out19:28
balloonsshookees, for the autopilot tests, you'll need to be on utopic, as we target the development version of the framework as it's still evolving. Autopilot, the toolkit, the sdk, etc, everything will be up to date for you if you are on utopic19:29
shookeesah, understood19:30
balloonsyou can run utopic in a vm if you wish.. for the manual tests, it's also helpful, but not required19:30
balloonsdazza, glad to see you made it. hope this helps answer your questions, but if not, feel free to ask19:32
elfyif someone wants to fix one of the manual bugs - there is an easy one to work through :)19:33
* balloons notes is holding out some long-hanging fruit19:33
balloons*elfy is holding19:33
elfyheh19:33
elfyforgive me if it's an Xubuntu one ;)19:33
elopioThe autopilot tutorial: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html19:36
shookeesSo an optimal option would be running utopic vm and sshing from host?19:38
balloonsshookees, that's a totally viable option.19:38
rogercarderThankyou.19:39
balloonsshookees, some folks like to just run a vm and even full screen it to one of there workspaces19:39
elopioballoons and everybody else, I'll be working on the slider helper.19:39
elopiolet me know if you need a hand with python, bzr, autopilot or the toolkit.19:39
balloonsthe list of helpers to work on is on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hackfest/20140715 page. Here's the direct link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bugs?field.tag=autopilot-helper19:39
balloonsFor manual tests, here's the direct link to the bitesize tests to work on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize19:40
balloonsthanks everyone.. Time to hack. If you are interested in contributing, feel free to speak up. This time is for us to help you get started :-)19:41
shookeesthanks, I might try some on helpers tomorrow, since it's quite late at my place, thanks again for a fast intro :)19:41
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