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MooDoomorning all06:01
mappshi06:02
mapps24 finale06:02
mappsomg06:02
mapps:D06:02
mappsjust finished watching06:02
MooDoonot watched it, so no spoilers :D06:02
mapps;D06:02
mappstime for under the dome..new series started too called the strain06:02
mappswill watch that later06:02
MooDoomapps: watched that last night, didn't rate it...might give it another try06:03
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DJonesNon operator mobile phone shops must get a hell of a kickback from the operators, same phone, same minutes, texts and data plans are £10-£15 cheaper using the 3rd party sellers08:02
awilkinsThe biggest thing they make money on is phone insurance I think08:08
awilkinsMy ex ignored my exortation to set a reminder to cancel the insurance on the last phone she bought, I think she's paid out over £1,500 for insurance on a phone she's still got08:09
DJonesJust reading up on why, also looks like they use part of the commission from the operator to keep prices lower08:09
dogmatic69awilkins:  a £200 phone?08:09
awilkinsHTC Desire Z, not sure what it cost08:10
DJonesSo I guess that means I'll be upgrading through carphonewarehouse rather than directly with vodafone08:10
awilkinsBut she could have bought quite a few Nexus phones for that money...08:10
dogmatic69I have never had phone insurance, been ok so far (~ 15 years)08:10
Myrttidoesn't the home owners insurance cover that?08:11
Myrttiit does in Finland in most cases08:11
dogmatic69Myrtti:  generally not things you carry round, you got to specify them08:11
Myrttis/home owners/home/08:11
dogmatic69which makes the price higher08:11
awilkinsI think mine covers it08:12
awilkinsBut in any case, the savings I've made not buying it more than cover replacement phones08:12
awilkinsIn general I seem to be pretty careful with phones, never had one lost or stolen, only dropped my Razr (and that was fairly durable)08:13
awilkinsMay have dropped my N900 but it's always been in a mild steel framed leather coated case08:13
dogmatic69self insure is the way to go if you are not to bad at looking after them08:13
MooDoowhy is it that when you're working your notice period, everything goes sooooooooooooooo slow08:22
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Gummi Worm Day! :-D08:24
SuperMattoooh, I could go for some gummi worms08:24
foobarryjelly snakes08:25
SuperMattGove has been given more power. I fear for us all.08:28
JamesTaitThe mother of my son's tee partner on Sunday shared a pack with us as we were going round the course.  Seemed like an apt celebration.08:29
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:41
awilkinsWhat did Gove get?08:42
foobarryjelly snakes08:42
brobostigona kick up the bum.08:42
awilkinsChief Whip.08:42
awilkinsThat's like being Francis Uruqhart08:43
DJonesNext prime minister then?08:48
foobarryany of you surrey types ever been to http://www.wingsandwheels.net/ at the top gear circuit in dunsfold? popey ?08:49
popeyi have been08:53
popeywas fun08:54
JamesTaitNew job, MooDoo?08:55
foobarrypopey: recommend it?08:56
foobarryis getting to the event ok?08:57
foobarryin-laws live in guildford so thinking about taking the boy and father-in-law08:57
popeyYeah, it's worth going to if you like cars and planes ☻08:58
foobarryi like planes08:58
popeysomeone called "Harry Potter" complained about me posting videos of planes on G+ last night08:58
popeyhow odd08:58
foobarrythey prefer black cats?09:00
foobarryi prefer planes although passenger jets bore me09:00
awilkinsBrooms. He wants to see more brooms.09:00
foobarryi was searching microserver and popey.com/blog was link number 509:01
popeyheh09:01
foobarrypopey sounded rather green in 2010 :P09:01
popeywell, I'm still running the same microserver09:01
foobarryi installaed ubuntu! oh noes i did grub on the usb stick! oh yay it works !09:01
foobarry:D09:01
popeyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXV24en7emE09:01
popeylooks like 'fun'09:02
foobarryif you don't look back and see how far you've come you aren't learning new stuff.09:02
popeyhow profound09:02
bashrcwe were all noobs once09:06
foobarryare you backing up your android devices to the microserver09:07
foobarryi have 3TB drives from different manufacturers :S09:08
popeyno09:13
popeyi dont backup android devices09:13
DJonesAren't phone backups what the NSA/GCHQ are for09:14
MartijnVdSDJones: they're picky about who they share those backups with :|09:17
DJonesMartijnVdS, I wouldn't worry, they'll get leaked and end up on piratebay09:18
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:32
DJonesHow do, hows the holiday going09:34
* MooDoo wants a holiday09:36
DJonesMooDoo, Did I see right that you're working your notice period?09:36
MyrttiI wonder what kind of temporary insanity lead me to wash yesterdays three machinefuls of laundry with Persil ;________; I put a shirt on that I washed yesterday, on this morning and the smell is doing my head in09:37
MooDooDJones: yes09:37
DJonesHow long have you got and can you say where you're going?09:38
MooDooDJones: 8 days here, and I'm going to work at the health store, it's a wholesaler for health product, i'm sys admin at their head offices09:39
DJonesSounds like that'll be quite a change09:39
MooDooDJones: just a tad.09:39
DJones:)09:39
MooDooDJones: exciting though, no customers as such just internal ones.09:40
Myrttioh oh oh, talking of health products! I finally found a multivitamin that doesn't have vitamin K in it09:40
Myrttibogstandard Tesco one ;___;09:40
DJonesMyrtti, Vitamin K.. Potasium? rings a bell anyway, my wife has just been told that her levels of potasium are too high and she's got to cut her vitamin supplements and stop eating bananna's09:41
MyrttiDJones: no, the actual vitamin K, the one produced in the colon by bacteria anyway, found also in leafy green vegetables09:42
Myrttiassists in blood clotting09:42
popeythanks ali1234 ! https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/5oBTpcSVrTp09:42
MooDoolol09:43
Myrttisomeone needs to stop me from drooling over saucepans09:43
Myrttihttp://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-saucepan-rocket-scientist-heat-efficient-20140710-story.html09:44
dwatkinsMyrtti: have a look at furniture instead? That's what I'm doing.09:44
DJonesMyrtti, Ah, for some reason I had it mind that vitamin K was a potasium rich one09:44
mgdmK is the chemical symbol for potassium, which is probably why09:45
DJonesmgdm, Thats probably what I was thinking about09:45
dwatkins...that pan does look rather nice, though...09:45
bigcalmAfter the cruise, I don't mind if I don't see another drink for a very long time10:59
bigcalmException being 2nd August10:59
bigcalmOtherwise it will be an odd evening10:59
mgdmbirthday?11:00
mgdmor other anniversary?11:00
bigcalm!rat11:02
lubotu3rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/11:02
mgdmoooh11:02
mgdmyeah11:02
bigcalm:D11:02
mgdmI should really go to one of those one day11:02
MooDoomight have a spare ticket to the RAT11:03
foobarryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlRl5V7lgs4 vulcan hired for private flypast. :-|11:23
popeyMooDoo: you not coming?11:34
DJonesI like this, supposedly a real bank robbery caught on film in Detroit https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=679706208756991&set=vb.100001528540358&type=2&theater11:36
DJonesAlthough appears to be an advert for a Chevy Malibu11:37
foobarryone more microserver question...sorry...is it hardware raid, fakeraid, or you guys just do linux sw raid?11:49
popeyi do sw raid11:54
popeywell, ♥ btrfs, so raid-like11:54
popeybut at that price, it's not real raid11:54
bigcalmfoobarry: I do sw raid111:55
bigcalmOn the microserver11:56
foobarryso don't tell the ms anthing, and configure within linux?11:57
MartijnVdS yup11:58
foobarry"no, this is not a full raid. Unfortunately this is only a fake raid only supporting raid levels 0 and 1. However it is one of the better implementations."11:58
MartijnVdSthat's also easiest to recover from if some part dies11:58
foobarryyes11:58
foobarryand also because i may have slightly differing disks11:58
foobarrybigcalm: are you botting from disk or usb?11:59
bigcalmfoobarry: disk11:59
foobarry14.04 contains trim now ?11:59
bigcalm?11:59
foobarrytrim is not usb though11:59
foobarrytrim support for wear levelling SSD11:59
bigcalmMy microserver is 12.04 running 2 x madam raid112:00
foobarryooo madan12:00
bigcalm4 HDDs, not SSD12:00
foobarrythink i prefer a usb stick running ubuntu server, then HDDs for data12:01
foobarrynot sure if good idea or not.12:01
popeyi have 5 drives in mine12:04
popeyssd for root in the optical bay, and 4 drives in the 4 bays12:04
foobarryi heard there's a comunity modified bios12:05
popeyit has an internal USB port so you could put the OS on that12:05
popeyyes, there is, I'm too scared to install it though12:05
foobarry8gb should be OK for ubuntu server12:05
bigcalmpopey: you've added an additional SATA port or is it eSATA?12:05
foobarryjust trying to find what the new bios does12:05
popeyfaster IO i think foobarry12:05
foobarryalways nice12:05
popeyand maybe enables PM on the on-board eSATA port12:05
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foobarryscary though12:06
popeybigcalm: i have an extra eSATA card12:06
foobarrythis is my precious data after all12:06
bigcalmAh12:06
bigcalmfoobarry: off-site backups12:06
foobarryglacier12:06
foobarryexcept i'm also planning to do dvd rips12:06
foobarrywhich are too ££ to backup12:06
foobarrybut will take me ages12:07
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/7798200/ disks in my microserver12:08
foobarrya plethora12:09
* popey plays Light for a bit12:09
* bigcalm tinkers with FTB12:10
bigcalmWhy is it always night when I connect to my own server? :(12:13
foobarryhow do you install onto usb?12:13
foobarryi suppose i could get a dvd and choose the usb as the target during install12:14
foobarryhttp://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5752-performance-improvement-on-odd-sata-port-contributed-by-bios-mod/12:15
DJonesfoobarry, 2 usb sticks & 2 usb ports, create liveusb on one, then boot with that stick & install to 2nd stick12:23
foobarryheh, so similar method12:24
foobarryi thought there was another kung fu way12:24
brobostigona chap on the tv just now, was wearing a tshirt i like, a black tshirt with the following on the front, "if found return to the pub"12:49
foobarryhow old was he?12:55
brobostigonlate 30's maybe 40's i suspect.12:56
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popeyhttp://www.dabs.com/products/crucial-256gb-m550-sata-6gb-s-2-5--7mm--with-9-5mm-adapter--solid-state-drive-99QZ.html?src=313:08
popey"deal of the day"13:08
popey104 quid for 256GB SSD13:08
foobarrywow13:08
SuperMattoooh nice13:08
foobarryi was just looking at a 32gb one for £3013:08
SuperMattstill waiting for 500G SDDs and then that's most of my games sorted13:08
brobostigonsdd's, have i misssed something? :)13:09
popeyooh, A380 goes up in 20 mins13:09
popeyhttp://imgur.com/8ytU6Y913:10
popeytodays flying schedule13:10
* SuperMatt glowers at brobostigon 13:11
* foobarry notices that ebuyer are on quidco13:19
foobarry2% cashback better than a kick in the nads13:19
* SuperMatt kicks foobarry in the nads to test the theory13:22
popeyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhZl9LjCKuU13:22
popeybfq ..13:22
AzelphurFor anyone who is bored...I'm not sure if this makes me a terrible person: http://blog.azelphur.com/node/297 xD13:52
foobarryarrgh ebuyer takes 5 days to deliver :(13:52
Azelphurfoobarry: they have next day delivery option don't they?13:52
foobarryyes but moneys13:55
foobarry12 quid13:55
Azelphurindeed13:55
foobarrydidn't realise until i made the decision and added to basket13:55
daftykinsi've come up against  complete brick wall with what to do to nuke someones important data from this Kingspec PATA ZIF SSD :/13:56
daftykins+a13:56
foobarryon the product page it says "order in next few hours to receive tomorrow"13:56
daftykins(lso my keybord keeps dropping letters :/ )13:56
foobarrythen i remembered why i hate eubyer13:56
popeyAzelphur: i thought you might cross reference which people got all of them right13:56
popeyAzelphur: i guess you can't?13:56
daftykinsebuyer are great \o/13:56
Azelphurpopey: that's actually a good idea13:56
Azelphurpopey: sure I can, I have an SQL database full of singles in my area \o/13:56
popeyperfect partner13:56
popeysome sql joins required ☻13:56
Azelphurhehe13:57
popeyyou should update the blog post with that data, would be fun13:57
popeysee the numbers come down13:57
Azelphurdaftykins: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/drivetonuke ?13:57
diploAzelphur, did you read about another guy that did that in the states13:57
diplo?13:57
Azelphurpopey: yea, I was also interested in doing a larger sample size, perhaps scanning a 25m radius of London.13:57
Azelphurdiplo: yea13:57
popeyyeah, good call13:57
foobarryi also hate quidco for the hoops and hurdles13:58
daftykinsAzelphur: it would seem due to the nature of dynamic wear levelling in SSDs that you can't get away with dd13:58
popeyyou can if you fill it daftykins13:58
popeycreate a file rather than dd over the device13:58
daftykinsyou certainly can't dd zero though :D13:59
daftykinsannoyingly this drive appears to lack secure erase13:59
popeyi would just create a very large file using dev/urandom13:59
daftykinsalso - hdparm doesn't even come up with the 'Security' field on the drive? what's that all about?13:59
diploAzelphur, did you do it with your login details? I believe they scan for people doing that sort of stuff13:59
daftykins"hdparm -I /dev/sda"13:59
Azelphurdiplo: I did, yes13:59
Azelphurokcupid seem to be cool with it13:59
Azelphuras long as you aren't doing anything nefarious such as mass messaging14:00
Azelphuror hammering the crap outta the site (I queried relatively slowly, non-threaded)14:00
daftykinsugh i think my USB is dying14:01
Azelphurpopey: the main interesting thing I learned is that STALE is to STEAL question is a crappy metric of intelligence14:02
popeyhaha14:02
Azelphurbecause so many people fuck it up, even understanding the question14:02
daftykinslanguage sir14:02
Azelphursorry :x14:02
daftykinsit's as bad as IQ tests really isn't it14:02
Azelphurdaftykins: yea, IQ tests aren't so bad because you have a much larger question set14:03
diployeah I got fed up answering some of the stupid questions14:06
daftykinsi think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all14:15
mgdmI was surprised by Amazon's approach to hard drives used on their AWS stuff14:16
mgdmOnce a hard drive enters a building, it cannot leave unless it's been shredded14:17
mgdmFor SSDs they basically turn it to dust14:17
daftykinsi find that wasteful14:17
daftykinsbut then the man hours of nuking disks properly... i can understand14:17
mgdmthey see it as the only way to guarantee no customer data gets leaked14:17
mgdmsure, it's wasteful, and it means they can never RMA a disk, but that's their decision14:18
daftykinsmy old College over here, where i've taught at as well as be a student yada yada - often get donated computers from banks and so on that are doing refreshes14:18
daftykinsthey'll even be getting dual core things in of late which is great for their labs... but pretty much all come diskless14:19
daftykinsit's a real pain because it leaves them using old ghetto disks to try and run these things14:19
diploWe used to do the same at work, either charge them and nuke the disk or tell them to pay us to get a new disk for them14:19
daftykinsi took a lot of hardware sessions when teaching, i was dealing with disk failure after disk failure :|14:20
daftykinsdiplo: that's not too bad, local electricity company invited them to bring a busload of kids to do the disk nuking recently and let them keep drives :D14:20
popeydaftykins: why not just write a big file to it?14:23
diploThat's one way of doing it14:23
diplopopey, in our case just time spent doing it14:23
daftykinspopey: is this back on the other topic of this SSD i was talking about?14:23
popeyyeah, i saw 15:15:57 < daftykins> i think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all14:24
daftykinsah right14:24
daftykinsyeah, thing is it's not a modern machine at all14:24
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/ls2xfifyc9nk0zp/AADi5v6nyO5ruH0VZedlXH3La14:25
daftykins:D14:25
MartijnVdSlooks a bit like my vaio14:25
MartijnVdSwhich is 5-ish years old now I think?14:25
daftykinscore 2 duo 1.2GHz ULV, 2GB RAM - came with Vista originally (eww)14:26
popeyshould be fine to run a live cd and dd surely?14:26
daftykinsoriginal drive was one of the Toshiba MK1214GAH iPod style ones14:26
MartijnVdSoh wow, at least mine came with 7 :P14:26
popeyeww14:26
popeyi still have one of those my desk to recover one day14:26
daftykinspopey: well i don't dispute that dd would work, but you're not supposed to do that to SSDs... this one doesn't support TRIM too so performance will degrade14:26
daftykinsbit of a sucky situation14:27
popeywhy shouldn't you do that to SSDs?14:27
daftykinsbecause it's all about minimising writes14:27
popeydding the whole drive will write to every cell once, surely?14:28
daftykinsnot necessarily14:28
popeyif you fill it, how would it not?14:29
foobarrydd is a rather even write14:30
foobarryits heavy writes on the same blocks that are bad surely14:30
daftykinswell, for one SSDs often overprovision, so there's actually more NAND than the available space of the drive shows14:30
Azelphurpopey: to answer your question, 37 people answered all 3 questions, only 15 got them all right :P14:32
daftykinsAzelphur: time to message the 15 ;)14:32
AzelphurI thought that number would be way lower14:32
Azelphurclearly14:32
Azelphurdaftykins: amusingly, I recognise most of these names from my high match percentages14:33
daftykinsso their system works!?14:33
Azelphurdaftykins: I tested that the other day, I got my best friend to sign up to see what percentage it'd give us14:33
AzelphurAnswer: 96% match (It's guy loooove)14:34
Azelphurobligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0 for those who don't get the reference :)14:35
daftykins8D14:35
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foobarryAzelphur: maybe get your ideal unobtainable woman to think of the questions15:29
foobarryyou thought of a load of man questions and will just get your own double15:30
foobarrysimilar to the awesome husband quiz on facebook. the quiz is lame because it assumes every woman just wants a mate to go shoe shopping with15:31
foobarryalso, aren't you intrigued to meet who said the earth was bigger?15:32
popeyfoobarry: http://www.dabs.com/products/synology-ds415play-4-bay-desktop-nas-9LP2.html15:48
popey400 quid nas that does 1080p transcoding15:49
popeyif that's not "DVD/BD ripper in a box" I don't know what is ☻15:49
DJoneswoot...Fibre.....yay16:59
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mappsyay17:25
mappsalright for some17:25
mappsim still waiting17:25
mapps=[17:26
mapps5 weeks now!17:26
mappsYAY17:33
mapps2 days 17th and my fibre gets activated17:33
mapps:D17:33
foobarryanyone tried kde5?18:56
foobarrylooks like the kde4 update that was needed19:00
popeynope.19:03
foobarryshame i've seen 3 articles with the same screenshot19:07
foobarrypopey: already clicked buy on the N54L..19:08
foobarrythe synology looks great though out of my budget19:09
popeyyeah, bit OTT19:09
* smittix ties MooDoo's laces together19:29
diddledansmittix:! that's evil!19:31
diddledanbut oh so naughtily fun19:31
* diddledan has a go19:31
smittixheh19:34
* popey is watching http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament19:34
diddledananything interesting, popey ?19:35
popeyvoting on an amendment to DRIP19:35
diddledanaah19:35
diddledanI've had a slew of emails about that "emergency" from the EFF or similar people19:36
diddledanhmm, and bbc iplayer thinks I'm not in the uk19:37
popeybah19:37
diddledanthis is why geoblockinbg is a Bad Idea™19:39
diddledanlove that there's about 5 people there19:49
diddledanso much for an "emergency" bill19:49
foobarryworst kind of weather is one where you have to take a rainjacket but the rest of the day is s o hot andmuggy that you need to put it ina bag20:13
foobarryi think thats the next few days20:13
foobarrydefrosting the freezer is such a tiresome tasks20:13
diddledanergh20:16
foobarryugh, forgot i hadn't watched the last half hour of "internets own boy"20:16
foobarrychromecast ftw20:16
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diddledan+120:18
diddledanI love my chromecast20:18
diddledanbest 30£ spent in the last year20:19
foobarry2nd best after last fridays chinese takeaway20:19
foobarryits not £30 for me because i will now finally buy a nas20:19
foobarryits chromecasts fault20:20
diddledanlol20:20
diddledanyeah I want a nas20:20
diddledanI'm thinking I want a normal pc to do it though rather than an embedded device - like a microserver vs synology20:22
foobarryit was a very close call20:25
foobarryhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378232716/inkcase-plus-e-ink-screen-for-android-phone20:36
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