[06:01] morning all [06:02] hi [06:02] 24 finale [06:02] omg [06:02] :D [06:02] just finished watching [06:02] not watched it, so no spoilers :D [06:02] ;D [06:02] time for under the dome..new series started too called the strain [06:02] will watch that later [06:03] mapps: watched that last night, didn't rate it...might give it another try === Oli`` is now known as Oli === Moon is now known as Guest67717 [08:02] Non operator mobile phone shops must get a hell of a kickback from the operators, same phone, same minutes, texts and data plans are £10-£15 cheaper using the 3rd party sellers [08:08] The biggest thing they make money on is phone insurance I think [08:09] My ex ignored my exortation to set a reminder to cancel the insurance on the last phone she bought, I think she's paid out over £1,500 for insurance on a phone she's still got [08:09] Just reading up on why, also looks like they use part of the commission from the operator to keep prices lower [08:09] awilkins: a £200 phone? [08:10] HTC Desire Z, not sure what it cost [08:10] So I guess that means I'll be upgrading through carphonewarehouse rather than directly with vodafone [08:10] But she could have bought quite a few Nexus phones for that money... [08:10] I have never had phone insurance, been ok so far (~ 15 years) [08:11] doesn't the home owners insurance cover that? [08:11] it does in Finland in most cases [08:11] Myrtti: generally not things you carry round, you got to specify them [08:11] s/home owners/home/ [08:11] which makes the price higher [08:12] I think mine covers it [08:12] But in any case, the savings I've made not buying it more than cover replacement phones [08:13] In general I seem to be pretty careful with phones, never had one lost or stolen, only dropped my Razr (and that was fairly durable) [08:13] May have dropped my N900 but it's always been in a mild steel framed leather coated case [08:13] self insure is the way to go if you are not to bad at looking after them [08:22] why is it that when you're working your notice period, everything goes sooooooooooooooo slow [08:24] Good morning all; happy Gummi Worm Day! :-D [08:24] oooh, I could go for some gummi worms [08:25] jelly snakes [08:28] Gove has been given more power. I fear for us all. [08:29] The mother of my son's tee partner on Sunday shared a pack with us as we were going round the course. Seemed like an apt celebration. [08:41] morning boys and girls. [08:42] What did Gove get? [08:42] jelly snakes [08:42] a kick up the bum. [08:42] Chief Whip. [08:43] That's like being Francis Uruqhart [08:48] Next prime minister then? [08:49] any of you surrey types ever been to http://www.wingsandwheels.net/ at the top gear circuit in dunsfold? popey ? [08:53] i have been [08:54] was fun [08:55] New job, MooDoo? [08:56] popey: recommend it? [08:57] is getting to the event ok? [08:57] in-laws live in guildford so thinking about taking the boy and father-in-law [08:58] Yeah, it's worth going to if you like cars and planes ☻ [08:58] i like planes [08:58] someone called "Harry Potter" complained about me posting videos of planes on G+ last night [08:58] how odd [09:00] they prefer black cats? [09:00] i prefer planes although passenger jets bore me [09:00] Brooms. He wants to see more brooms. [09:01] i was searching microserver and popey.com/blog was link number 5 [09:01] heh [09:01] popey sounded rather green in 2010 :P [09:01] well, I'm still running the same microserver [09:01] i installaed ubuntu! oh noes i did grub on the usb stick! oh yay it works ! [09:01] :D [09:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXV24en7emE [09:02] looks like 'fun' [09:02] if you don't look back and see how far you've come you aren't learning new stuff. [09:02] how profound [09:06] we were all noobs once [09:07] are you backing up your android devices to the microserver [09:08] i have 3TB drives from different manufacturers :S [09:13] no [09:13] i dont backup android devices [09:14] Aren't phone backups what the NSA/GCHQ are for [09:17] DJones: they're picky about who they share those backups with :| [09:18] MartijnVdS, I wouldn't worry, they'll get leaked and end up on piratebay [09:32] Good morning peeps :) [09:34] How do, hows the holiday going [09:36] * MooDoo wants a holiday [09:36] MooDoo, Did I see right that you're working your notice period? [09:37] I wonder what kind of temporary insanity lead me to wash yesterdays three machinefuls of laundry with Persil ;________; I put a shirt on that I washed yesterday, on this morning and the smell is doing my head in [09:37] DJones: yes [09:38] How long have you got and can you say where you're going? [09:39] DJones: 8 days here, and I'm going to work at the health store, it's a wholesaler for health product, i'm sys admin at their head offices [09:39] Sounds like that'll be quite a change [09:39] DJones: just a tad. [09:39] :) [09:40] DJones: exciting though, no customers as such just internal ones. [09:40] oh oh oh, talking of health products! I finally found a multivitamin that doesn't have vitamin K in it [09:40] bogstandard Tesco one ;___; [09:41] Myrtti, Vitamin K.. Potasium? rings a bell anyway, my wife has just been told that her levels of potasium are too high and she's got to cut her vitamin supplements and stop eating bananna's [09:42] DJones: no, the actual vitamin K, the one produced in the colon by bacteria anyway, found also in leafy green vegetables [09:42] assists in blood clotting [09:42] thanks ali1234 ! https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/5oBTpcSVrTp [09:43] lol [09:43] someone needs to stop me from drooling over saucepans [09:44] http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-saucepan-rocket-scientist-heat-efficient-20140710-story.html [09:44] Myrtti: have a look at furniture instead? That's what I'm doing. [09:44] Myrtti, Ah, for some reason I had it mind that vitamin K was a potasium rich one [09:45] K is the chemical symbol for potassium, which is probably why [09:45] mgdm, Thats probably what I was thinking about [09:45] ...that pan does look rather nice, though... [10:59] After the cruise, I don't mind if I don't see another drink for a very long time [10:59] Exception being 2nd August [10:59] Otherwise it will be an odd evening [11:00] birthday? [11:00] or other anniversary? [11:02] !rat [11:02] rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/ [11:02] oooh [11:02] yeah [11:02] :D [11:02] I should really go to one of those one day [11:03] might have a spare ticket to the RAT [11:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlRl5V7lgs4 vulcan hired for private flypast. :-| [11:34] MooDoo: you not coming? [11:36] I like this, supposedly a real bank robbery caught on film in Detroit https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=679706208756991&set=vb.100001528540358&type=2&theater [11:37] Although appears to be an advert for a Chevy Malibu [11:49] one more microserver question...sorry...is it hardware raid, fakeraid, or you guys just do linux sw raid? [11:54] i do sw raid [11:54] well, ♥ btrfs, so raid-like [11:54] but at that price, it's not real raid [11:55] foobarry: I do sw raid1 [11:56] On the microserver [11:57] so don't tell the ms anthing, and configure within linux? [11:58] yup [11:58] "no, this is not a full raid. Unfortunately this is only a fake raid only supporting raid levels 0 and 1. However it is one of the better implementations." [11:58] that's also easiest to recover from if some part dies [11:58] yes [11:58] and also because i may have slightly differing disks [11:59] bigcalm: are you botting from disk or usb? [11:59] foobarry: disk [11:59] 14.04 contains trim now ? [11:59] ? [11:59] trim is not usb though [11:59] trim support for wear levelling SSD [12:00] My microserver is 12.04 running 2 x madam raid1 [12:00] ooo madan [12:00] 4 HDDs, not SSD [12:01] think i prefer a usb stick running ubuntu server, then HDDs for data [12:01] not sure if good idea or not. [12:04] i have 5 drives in mine [12:04] ssd for root in the optical bay, and 4 drives in the 4 bays [12:05] i heard there's a comunity modified bios [12:05] it has an internal USB port so you could put the OS on that [12:05] yes, there is, I'm too scared to install it though [12:05] 8gb should be OK for ubuntu server [12:05] popey: you've added an additional SATA port or is it eSATA? [12:05] just trying to find what the new bios does [12:05] faster IO i think foobarry [12:05] always nice [12:05] and maybe enables PM on the on-board eSATA port === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:06] scary though [12:06] bigcalm: i have an extra eSATA card [12:06] this is my precious data after all [12:06] Ah [12:06] foobarry: off-site backups [12:06] glacier [12:06] except i'm also planning to do dvd rips [12:06] which are too ££ to backup [12:07] but will take me ages [12:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7798200/ disks in my microserver [12:09] a plethora [12:09] * popey plays Light for a bit [12:10] * bigcalm tinkers with FTB [12:13] Why is it always night when I connect to my own server? :( [12:13] how do you install onto usb? [12:14] i suppose i could get a dvd and choose the usb as the target during install [12:15] http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5752-performance-improvement-on-odd-sata-port-contributed-by-bios-mod/ [12:23] foobarry, 2 usb sticks & 2 usb ports, create liveusb on one, then boot with that stick & install to 2nd stick [12:24] heh, so similar method [12:24] i thought there was another kung fu way [12:49] a chap on the tv just now, was wearing a tshirt i like, a black tshirt with the following on the front, "if found return to the pub" [12:55] how old was he? [12:56] late 30's maybe 40's i suspect. === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:08] http://www.dabs.com/products/crucial-256gb-m550-sata-6gb-s-2-5--7mm--with-9-5mm-adapter--solid-state-drive-99QZ.html?src=3 [13:08] "deal of the day" [13:08] 104 quid for 256GB SSD [13:08] wow [13:08] oooh nice [13:08] i was just looking at a 32gb one for £30 [13:08] still waiting for 500G SDDs and then that's most of my games sorted [13:09] sdd's, have i misssed something? :) [13:09] ooh, A380 goes up in 20 mins [13:10] http://imgur.com/8ytU6Y9 [13:10] todays flying schedule [13:11] * SuperMatt glowers at brobostigon [13:19] * foobarry notices that ebuyer are on quidco [13:19] 2% cashback better than a kick in the nads [13:22] * SuperMatt kicks foobarry in the nads to test the theory [13:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhZl9LjCKuU [13:22] bfq .. [13:52] For anyone who is bored...I'm not sure if this makes me a terrible person: http://blog.azelphur.com/node/297 xD [13:52] arrgh ebuyer takes 5 days to deliver :( [13:52] foobarry: they have next day delivery option don't they? [13:55] yes but moneys [13:55] 12 quid [13:55] indeed [13:55] didn't realise until i made the decision and added to basket [13:56] i've come up against complete brick wall with what to do to nuke someones important data from this Kingspec PATA ZIF SSD :/ [13:56] +a [13:56] on the product page it says "order in next few hours to receive tomorrow" [13:56] (lso my keybord keeps dropping letters :/ ) [13:56] then i remembered why i hate eubyer [13:56] Azelphur: i thought you might cross reference which people got all of them right [13:56] Azelphur: i guess you can't? [13:56] ebuyer are great \o/ [13:56] popey: that's actually a good idea [13:56] popey: sure I can, I have an SQL database full of singles in my area \o/ [13:56] perfect partner [13:56] some sql joins required ☻ [13:57] hehe [13:57] you should update the blog post with that data, would be fun [13:57] see the numbers come down [13:57] daftykins: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/drivetonuke ? [13:57] Azelphur, did you read about another guy that did that in the states [13:57] ? [13:57] popey: yea, I was also interested in doing a larger sample size, perhaps scanning a 25m radius of London. [13:57] diplo: yea [13:57] yeah, good call [13:58] i also hate quidco for the hoops and hurdles [13:58] Azelphur: it would seem due to the nature of dynamic wear levelling in SSDs that you can't get away with dd [13:58] you can if you fill it daftykins [13:58] create a file rather than dd over the device [13:59] you certainly can't dd zero though :D [13:59] annoyingly this drive appears to lack secure erase [13:59] i would just create a very large file using dev/urandom [13:59] also - hdparm doesn't even come up with the 'Security' field on the drive? what's that all about? [13:59] Azelphur, did you do it with your login details? I believe they scan for people doing that sort of stuff [13:59] "hdparm -I /dev/sda" [13:59] diplo: I did, yes [13:59] okcupid seem to be cool with it [14:00] as long as you aren't doing anything nefarious such as mass messaging [14:00] or hammering the crap outta the site (I queried relatively slowly, non-threaded) [14:01] ugh i think my USB is dying [14:02] popey: the main interesting thing I learned is that STALE is to STEAL question is a crappy metric of intelligence [14:02] haha [14:02] because so many people fuck it up, even understanding the question [14:02] language sir [14:02] sorry :x [14:02] it's as bad as IQ tests really isn't it [14:03] daftykins: yea, IQ tests aren't so bad because you have a much larger question set [14:06] yeah I got fed up answering some of the stupid questions [14:15] i think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all [14:16] I was surprised by Amazon's approach to hard drives used on their AWS stuff [14:17] Once a hard drive enters a building, it cannot leave unless it's been shredded [14:17] For SSDs they basically turn it to dust [14:17] i find that wasteful [14:17] but then the man hours of nuking disks properly... i can understand [14:17] they see it as the only way to guarantee no customer data gets leaked [14:18] sure, it's wasteful, and it means they can never RMA a disk, but that's their decision [14:18] my old College over here, where i've taught at as well as be a student yada yada - often get donated computers from banks and so on that are doing refreshes [14:19] they'll even be getting dual core things in of late which is great for their labs... but pretty much all come diskless [14:19] it's a real pain because it leaves them using old ghetto disks to try and run these things [14:19] We used to do the same at work, either charge them and nuke the disk or tell them to pay us to get a new disk for them [14:20] i took a lot of hardware sessions when teaching, i was dealing with disk failure after disk failure :| [14:20] diplo: that's not too bad, local electricity company invited them to bring a busload of kids to do the disk nuking recently and let them keep drives :D [14:23] daftykins: why not just write a big file to it? [14:23] That's one way of doing it [14:23] popey, in our case just time spent doing it [14:23] popey: is this back on the other topic of this SSD i was talking about? [14:24] yeah, i saw 15:15:57 < daftykins> i think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all [14:24] ah right [14:24] yeah, thing is it's not a modern machine at all [14:25] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ls2xfifyc9nk0zp/AADi5v6nyO5ruH0VZedlXH3La [14:25] :D [14:25] looks a bit like my vaio [14:25] which is 5-ish years old now I think? [14:26] core 2 duo 1.2GHz ULV, 2GB RAM - came with Vista originally (eww) [14:26] should be fine to run a live cd and dd surely? [14:26] original drive was one of the Toshiba MK1214GAH iPod style ones [14:26] oh wow, at least mine came with 7 :P [14:26] eww [14:26] i still have one of those my desk to recover one day [14:26] popey: well i don't dispute that dd would work, but you're not supposed to do that to SSDs... this one doesn't support TRIM too so performance will degrade [14:27] bit of a sucky situation [14:27] why shouldn't you do that to SSDs? [14:27] because it's all about minimising writes [14:28] dding the whole drive will write to every cell once, surely? [14:28] not necessarily [14:29] if you fill it, how would it not? [14:30] dd is a rather even write [14:30] its heavy writes on the same blocks that are bad surely [14:30] well, for one SSDs often overprovision, so there's actually more NAND than the available space of the drive shows [14:32] popey: to answer your question, 37 people answered all 3 questions, only 15 got them all right :P [14:32] Azelphur: time to message the 15 ;) [14:32] I thought that number would be way lower [14:32] clearly [14:33] daftykins: amusingly, I recognise most of these names from my high match percentages [14:33] so their system works!? [14:33] daftykins: I tested that the other day, I got my best friend to sign up to see what percentage it'd give us [14:34] Answer: 96% match (It's guy loooove) [14:35] obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0 for those who don't get the reference :) [14:35] 8D === xyz_ is now known as HashMap [15:29] Azelphur: maybe get your ideal unobtainable woman to think of the questions [15:30] you thought of a load of man questions and will just get your own double [15:31] similar to the awesome husband quiz on facebook. the quiz is lame because it assumes every woman just wants a mate to go shoe shopping with [15:32] also, aren't you intrigued to meet who said the earth was bigger? [15:48] foobarry: http://www.dabs.com/products/synology-ds415play-4-bay-desktop-nas-9LP2.html [15:49] 400 quid nas that does 1080p transcoding [15:49] if that's not "DVD/BD ripper in a box" I don't know what is ☻ [16:59] woot...Fibre.....yay === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:25] yay [17:25] alright for some [17:25] im still waiting [17:26] =[ [17:26] 5 weeks now! [17:33] YAY [17:33] 2 days 17th and my fibre gets activated [17:33] :D [18:56] anyone tried kde5? [19:00] looks like the kde4 update that was needed [19:03] nope. [19:07] shame i've seen 3 articles with the same screenshot [19:08] popey: already clicked buy on the N54L.. [19:09] the synology looks great though out of my budget [19:09] yeah, bit OTT [19:29] * smittix ties MooDoo's laces together [19:31] smittix:! that's evil! [19:31] but oh so naughtily fun [19:31] * diddledan has a go [19:34] heh [19:34] * popey is watching http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament [19:35] anything interesting, popey ? [19:35] voting on an amendment to DRIP [19:35] aah [19:36] I've had a slew of emails about that "emergency" from the EFF or similar people [19:37] hmm, and bbc iplayer thinks I'm not in the uk [19:37] bah [19:39] this is why geoblockinbg is a Bad Idea™ [19:49] love that there's about 5 people there [19:49] so much for an "emergency" bill [20:13] worst kind of weather is one where you have to take a rainjacket but the rest of the day is s o hot andmuggy that you need to put it ina bag [20:13] i think thats the next few days [20:13] defrosting the freezer is such a tiresome tasks [20:16] ergh [20:16] ugh, forgot i hadn't watched the last half hour of "internets own boy" [20:16] chromecast ftw === rubytor_ is now known as Guest79430 [20:18] +1 [20:18] I love my chromecast [20:19] best 30£ spent in the last year [20:19] 2nd best after last fridays chinese takeaway [20:19] its not £30 for me because i will now finally buy a nas [20:20] its chromecasts fault [20:20] lol [20:20] yeah I want a nas [20:22] I'm thinking I want a normal pc to do it though rather than an embedded device - like a microserver vs synology [20:25] it was a very close call [20:36] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378232716/inkcase-plus-e-ink-screen-for-android-phone === rubytor_ is now known as Guest80913 === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away