[06:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:02] <mapps> hi
[06:02] <mapps> 24 finale
[06:02] <mapps> omg
[06:02] <mapps> :D
[06:02] <mapps> just finished watching
[06:02] <MooDoo> not watched it, so no spoilers :D
[06:02] <mapps> ;D
[06:02] <mapps> time for under the dome..new series started too called the strain
[06:02] <mapps> will watch that later
[06:03] <MooDoo> mapps: watched that last night, didn't rate it...might give it another try
[08:02] <DJones> Non operator mobile phone shops must get a hell of a kickback from the operators, same phone, same minutes, texts and data plans are £10-£15 cheaper using the 3rd party sellers
[08:08] <awilkins> The biggest thing they make money on is phone insurance I think
[08:09] <awilkins> My ex ignored my exortation to set a reminder to cancel the insurance on the last phone she bought, I think she's paid out over £1,500 for insurance on a phone she's still got
[08:09] <DJones> Just reading up on why, also looks like they use part of the commission from the operator to keep prices lower
[08:09] <dogmatic69> awilkins:  a £200 phone?
[08:10] <awilkins> HTC Desire Z, not sure what it cost
[08:10] <DJones> So I guess that means I'll be upgrading through carphonewarehouse rather than directly with vodafone
[08:10] <awilkins> But she could have bought quite a few Nexus phones for that money...
[08:10] <dogmatic69> I have never had phone insurance, been ok so far (~ 15 years)
[08:11] <Myrtti> doesn't the home owners insurance cover that?
[08:11] <Myrtti> it does in Finland in most cases
[08:11] <dogmatic69> Myrtti:  generally not things you carry round, you got to specify them
[08:11] <Myrtti> s/home owners/home/
[08:11] <dogmatic69> which makes the price higher
[08:12] <awilkins> I think mine covers it
[08:12] <awilkins> But in any case, the savings I've made not buying it more than cover replacement phones
[08:13] <awilkins> In general I seem to be pretty careful with phones, never had one lost or stolen, only dropped my Razr (and that was fairly durable)
[08:13] <awilkins> May have dropped my N900 but it's always been in a mild steel framed leather coated case
[08:13] <dogmatic69> self insure is the way to go if you are not to bad at looking after them
[08:22] <MooDoo> why is it that when you're working your notice period, everything goes sooooooooooooooo slow
[08:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Gummi Worm Day! :-D
[08:24] <SuperMatt> oooh, I could go for some gummi worms
[08:25] <foobarry> jelly snakes
[08:28] <SuperMatt> Gove has been given more power. I fear for us all.
[08:29] <JamesTait> The mother of my son's tee partner on Sunday shared a pack with us as we were going round the course.  Seemed like an apt celebration.
[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:42] <awilkins> What did Gove get?
[08:42] <foobarry> jelly snakes
[08:42] <brobostigon> a kick up the bum.
[08:42] <awilkins> Chief Whip.
[08:43] <awilkins> That's like being Francis Uruqhart
[08:48] <DJones> Next prime minister then?
[08:49] <foobarry> any of you surrey types ever been to http://www.wingsandwheels.net/ at the top gear circuit in dunsfold? popey ?
[08:53] <popey> i have been
[08:54] <popey> was fun
[08:55] <JamesTait> New job, MooDoo?
[08:56] <foobarry> popey: recommend it?
[08:57] <foobarry> is getting to the event ok?
[08:57] <foobarry> in-laws live in guildford so thinking about taking the boy and father-in-law
[08:58] <popey> Yeah, it's worth going to if you like cars and planes ☻
[08:58] <foobarry> i like planes
[08:58] <popey> someone called "Harry Potter" complained about me posting videos of planes on G+ last night
[08:58] <popey> how odd
[09:00] <foobarry> they prefer black cats?
[09:00] <foobarry> i prefer planes although passenger jets bore me
[09:00] <awilkins> Brooms. He wants to see more brooms.
[09:01] <foobarry> i was searching microserver and popey.com/blog was link number 5
[09:01] <popey> heh
[09:01] <foobarry> popey sounded rather green in 2010 :P
[09:01] <popey> well, I'm still running the same microserver
[09:01] <foobarry> i installaed ubuntu! oh noes i did grub on the usb stick! oh yay it works !
[09:01] <foobarry> :D
[09:01] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXV24en7emE
[09:02] <popey> looks like 'fun'
[09:02] <foobarry> if you don't look back and see how far you've come you aren't learning new stuff.
[09:02] <popey> how profound
[09:06] <bashrc> we were all noobs once
[09:07] <foobarry> are you backing up your android devices to the microserver
[09:08] <foobarry> i have 3TB drives from different manufacturers :S
[09:13] <popey> no
[09:13] <popey> i dont backup android devices
[09:14] <DJones> Aren't phone backups what the NSA/GCHQ are for
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> DJones: they're picky about who they share those backups with :|
[09:18] <DJones> MartijnVdS, I wouldn't worry, they'll get leaked and end up on piratebay
[09:32] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:34] <DJones> How do, hows the holiday going
[09:36]  * MooDoo wants a holiday
[09:36] <DJones> MooDoo, Did I see right that you're working your notice period?
[09:37] <Myrtti> I wonder what kind of temporary insanity lead me to wash yesterdays three machinefuls of laundry with Persil ;________; I put a shirt on that I washed yesterday, on this morning and the smell is doing my head in
[09:37] <MooDoo> DJones: yes
[09:38] <DJones> How long have you got and can you say where you're going?
[09:39] <MooDoo> DJones: 8 days here, and I'm going to work at the health store, it's a wholesaler for health product, i'm sys admin at their head offices
[09:39] <DJones> Sounds like that'll be quite a change
[09:39] <MooDoo> DJones: just a tad.
[09:39] <DJones> :)
[09:40] <MooDoo> DJones: exciting though, no customers as such just internal ones.
[09:40] <Myrtti> oh oh oh, talking of health products! I finally found a multivitamin that doesn't have vitamin K in it
[09:40] <Myrtti> bogstandard Tesco one ;___;
[09:41] <DJones> Myrtti, Vitamin K.. Potasium? rings a bell anyway, my wife has just been told that her levels of potasium are too high and she's got to cut her vitamin supplements and stop eating bananna's
[09:42] <Myrtti> DJones: no, the actual vitamin K, the one produced in the colon by bacteria anyway, found also in leafy green vegetables
[09:42] <Myrtti> assists in blood clotting
[09:42] <popey> thanks ali1234 ! https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/5oBTpcSVrTp
[09:43] <MooDoo> lol
[09:43] <Myrtti> someone needs to stop me from drooling over saucepans
[09:44] <Myrtti> http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-saucepan-rocket-scientist-heat-efficient-20140710-story.html
[09:44] <dwatkins> Myrtti: have a look at furniture instead? That's what I'm doing.
[09:44] <DJones> Myrtti, Ah, for some reason I had it mind that vitamin K was a potasium rich one
[09:45] <mgdm> K is the chemical symbol for potassium, which is probably why
[09:45] <DJones> mgdm, Thats probably what I was thinking about
[09:45] <dwatkins> ...that pan does look rather nice, though...
[10:59] <bigcalm> After the cruise, I don't mind if I don't see another drink for a very long time
[10:59] <bigcalm> Exception being 2nd August
[10:59] <bigcalm> Otherwise it will be an odd evening
[11:00] <mgdm> birthday?
[11:00] <mgdm> or other anniversary?
[11:02] <bigcalm> !rat
[11:02] <mgdm> oooh
[11:02] <mgdm> yeah
[11:02] <bigcalm> :D
[11:02] <mgdm> I should really go to one of those one day
[11:03] <MooDoo> might have a spare ticket to the RAT
[11:23] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlRl5V7lgs4 vulcan hired for private flypast. :-|
[11:34] <popey> MooDoo: you not coming?
[11:36] <DJones> I like this, supposedly a real bank robbery caught on film in Detroit https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=679706208756991&set=vb.100001528540358&type=2&theater
[11:37] <DJones> Although appears to be an advert for a Chevy Malibu
[11:49] <foobarry> one more microserver question...sorry...is it hardware raid, fakeraid, or you guys just do linux sw raid?
[11:54] <popey> i do sw raid
[11:54] <popey> well, ♥ btrfs, so raid-like
[11:54] <popey> but at that price, it's not real raid
[11:55] <bigcalm> foobarry: I do sw raid1
[11:56] <bigcalm> On the microserver
[11:57] <foobarry> so don't tell the ms anthing, and configure within linux?
[11:58] <MartijnVdS>  yup
[11:58] <foobarry> "no, this is not a full raid. Unfortunately this is only a fake raid only supporting raid levels 0 and 1. However it is one of the better implementations."
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> that's also easiest to recover from if some part dies
[11:58] <foobarry> yes
[11:58] <foobarry> and also because i may have slightly differing disks
[11:59] <foobarry> bigcalm: are you botting from disk or usb?
[11:59] <bigcalm> foobarry: disk
[11:59] <foobarry> 14.04 contains trim now ?
[11:59] <bigcalm> ?
[11:59] <foobarry> trim is not usb though
[11:59] <foobarry> trim support for wear levelling SSD
[12:00] <bigcalm> My microserver is 12.04 running 2 x madam raid1
[12:00] <foobarry> ooo madan
[12:00] <bigcalm> 4 HDDs, not SSD
[12:01] <foobarry> think i prefer a usb stick running ubuntu server, then HDDs for data
[12:01] <foobarry> not sure if good idea or not.
[12:04] <popey> i have 5 drives in mine
[12:04] <popey> ssd for root in the optical bay, and 4 drives in the 4 bays
[12:05] <foobarry> i heard there's a comunity modified bios
[12:05] <popey> it has an internal USB port so you could put the OS on that
[12:05] <popey> yes, there is, I'm too scared to install it though
[12:05] <foobarry> 8gb should be OK for ubuntu server
[12:05] <bigcalm> popey: you've added an additional SATA port or is it eSATA?
[12:05] <foobarry> just trying to find what the new bios does
[12:05] <popey> faster IO i think foobarry
[12:05] <foobarry> always nice
[12:05] <popey> and maybe enables PM on the on-board eSATA port
[12:06] <foobarry> scary though
[12:06] <popey> bigcalm: i have an extra eSATA card
[12:06] <foobarry> this is my precious data after all
[12:06] <bigcalm> Ah
[12:06] <bigcalm> foobarry: off-site backups
[12:06] <foobarry> glacier
[12:06] <foobarry> except i'm also planning to do dvd rips
[12:06] <foobarry> which are too ££ to backup
[12:07] <foobarry> but will take me ages
[12:08] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7798200/ disks in my microserver
[12:09] <foobarry> a plethora
[12:09]  * popey plays Light for a bit
[12:10]  * bigcalm tinkers with FTB
[12:13] <bigcalm> Why is it always night when I connect to my own server? :(
[12:13] <foobarry> how do you install onto usb?
[12:14] <foobarry> i suppose i could get a dvd and choose the usb as the target during install
[12:15] <foobarry> http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5752-performance-improvement-on-odd-sata-port-contributed-by-bios-mod/
[12:23] <DJones> foobarry, 2 usb sticks & 2 usb ports, create liveusb on one, then boot with that stick & install to 2nd stick
[12:24] <foobarry> heh, so similar method
[12:24] <foobarry> i thought there was another kung fu way
[12:49] <brobostigon> a chap on the tv just now, was wearing a tshirt i like, a black tshirt with the following on the front, "if found return to the pub"
[12:55] <foobarry> how old was he?
[12:56] <brobostigon> late 30's maybe 40's i suspect.
[13:08] <popey> http://www.dabs.com/products/crucial-256gb-m550-sata-6gb-s-2-5--7mm--with-9-5mm-adapter--solid-state-drive-99QZ.html?src=3
[13:08] <popey> "deal of the day"
[13:08] <popey> 104 quid for 256GB SSD
[13:08] <foobarry> wow
[13:08] <SuperMatt> oooh nice
[13:08] <foobarry> i was just looking at a 32gb one for £30
[13:08] <SuperMatt> still waiting for 500G SDDs and then that's most of my games sorted
[13:09] <brobostigon> sdd's, have i misssed something? :)
[13:09] <popey> ooh, A380 goes up in 20 mins
[13:10] <popey> http://imgur.com/8ytU6Y9
[13:10] <popey> todays flying schedule
[13:11]  * SuperMatt glowers at brobostigon 
[13:19]  * foobarry notices that ebuyer are on quidco
[13:19] <foobarry> 2% cashback better than a kick in the nads
[13:22]  * SuperMatt kicks foobarry in the nads to test the theory
[13:22] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhZl9LjCKuU
[13:22] <popey> bfq ..
[13:52] <Azelphur> For anyone who is bored...I'm not sure if this makes me a terrible person: http://blog.azelphur.com/node/297 xD
[13:52] <foobarry> arrgh ebuyer takes 5 days to deliver :(
[13:52] <Azelphur> foobarry: they have next day delivery option don't they?
[13:55] <foobarry> yes but moneys
[13:55] <foobarry> 12 quid
[13:55] <Azelphur> indeed
[13:55] <foobarry> didn't realise until i made the decision and added to basket
[13:56] <daftykins> i've come up against  complete brick wall with what to do to nuke someones important data from this Kingspec PATA ZIF SSD :/
[13:56] <daftykins> +a
[13:56] <foobarry> on the product page it says "order in next few hours to receive tomorrow"
[13:56] <daftykins> (lso my keybord keeps dropping letters :/ )
[13:56] <foobarry> then i remembered why i hate eubyer
[13:56] <popey> Azelphur: i thought you might cross reference which people got all of them right
[13:56] <popey> Azelphur: i guess you can't?
[13:56] <daftykins> ebuyer are great \o/
[13:56] <Azelphur> popey: that's actually a good idea
[13:56] <Azelphur> popey: sure I can, I have an SQL database full of singles in my area \o/
[13:56] <popey> perfect partner
[13:56] <popey> some sql joins required ☻
[13:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:57] <popey> you should update the blog post with that data, would be fun
[13:57] <popey> see the numbers come down
[13:57] <Azelphur> daftykins: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/drivetonuke ?
[13:57] <diplo> Azelphur, did you read about another guy that did that in the states
[13:57] <diplo> ?
[13:57] <Azelphur> popey: yea, I was also interested in doing a larger sample size, perhaps scanning a 25m radius of London.
[13:57] <Azelphur> diplo: yea
[13:57] <popey> yeah, good call
[13:58] <foobarry> i also hate quidco for the hoops and hurdles
[13:58] <daftykins> Azelphur: it would seem due to the nature of dynamic wear levelling in SSDs that you can't get away with dd
[13:58] <popey> you can if you fill it daftykins
[13:58] <popey> create a file rather than dd over the device
[13:59] <daftykins> you certainly can't dd zero though :D
[13:59] <daftykins> annoyingly this drive appears to lack secure erase
[13:59] <popey> i would just create a very large file using dev/urandom
[13:59] <daftykins> also - hdparm doesn't even come up with the 'Security' field on the drive? what's that all about?
[13:59] <diplo> Azelphur, did you do it with your login details? I believe they scan for people doing that sort of stuff
[13:59] <daftykins> "hdparm -I /dev/sda"
[13:59] <Azelphur> diplo: I did, yes
[13:59] <Azelphur> okcupid seem to be cool with it
[14:00] <Azelphur> as long as you aren't doing anything nefarious such as mass messaging
[14:00] <Azelphur> or hammering the crap outta the site (I queried relatively slowly, non-threaded)
[14:01] <daftykins> ugh i think my USB is dying
[14:02] <Azelphur> popey: the main interesting thing I learned is that STALE is to STEAL question is a crappy metric of intelligence
[14:02] <popey> haha
[14:02] <Azelphur> because so many people fuck it up, even understanding the question
[14:02] <daftykins> language sir
[14:02] <Azelphur> sorry :x
[14:02] <daftykins> it's as bad as IQ tests really isn't it
[14:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, IQ tests aren't so bad because you have a much larger question set
[14:06] <diplo> yeah I got fed up answering some of the stupid questions
[14:15] <daftykins> i think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all
[14:16] <mgdm> I was surprised by Amazon's approach to hard drives used on their AWS stuff
[14:17] <mgdm> Once a hard drive enters a building, it cannot leave unless it's been shredded
[14:17] <mgdm> For SSDs they basically turn it to dust
[14:17] <daftykins> i find that wasteful
[14:17] <daftykins> but then the man hours of nuking disks properly... i can understand
[14:17] <mgdm> they see it as the only way to guarantee no customer data gets leaked
[14:18] <mgdm> sure, it's wasteful, and it means they can never RMA a disk, but that's their decision
[14:18] <daftykins> my old College over here, where i've taught at as well as be a student yada yada - often get donated computers from banks and so on that are doing refreshes
[14:19] <daftykins> they'll even be getting dual core things in of late which is great for their labs... but pretty much all come diskless
[14:19] <daftykins> it's a real pain because it leaves them using old ghetto disks to try and run these things
[14:19] <diplo> We used to do the same at work, either charge them and nuke the disk or tell them to pay us to get a new disk for them
[14:20] <daftykins> i took a lot of hardware sessions when teaching, i was dealing with disk failure after disk failure :|
[14:20] <daftykins> diplo: that's not too bad, local electricity company invited them to bring a busload of kids to do the disk nuking recently and let them keep drives :D
[14:23] <popey> daftykins: why not just write a big file to it?
[14:23] <diplo> That's one way of doing it
[14:23] <diplo> popey, in our case just time spent doing it
[14:23] <daftykins> popey: is this back on the other topic of this SSD i was talking about?
[14:24] <popey> yeah, i saw 15:15:57 < daftykins> i think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all
[14:24] <daftykins> ah right
[14:24] <daftykins> yeah, thing is it's not a modern machine at all
[14:25] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ls2xfifyc9nk0zp/AADi5v6nyO5ruH0VZedlXH3La
[14:25] <daftykins> :D
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> looks a bit like my vaio
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> which is 5-ish years old now I think?
[14:26] <daftykins> core 2 duo 1.2GHz ULV, 2GB RAM - came with Vista originally (eww)
[14:26] <popey> should be fine to run a live cd and dd surely?
[14:26] <daftykins> original drive was one of the Toshiba MK1214GAH iPod style ones
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> oh wow, at least mine came with 7 :P
[14:26] <popey> eww
[14:26] <popey> i still have one of those my desk to recover one day
[14:26] <daftykins> popey: well i don't dispute that dd would work, but you're not supposed to do that to SSDs... this one doesn't support TRIM too so performance will degrade
[14:27] <daftykins> bit of a sucky situation
[14:27] <popey> why shouldn't you do that to SSDs?
[14:27] <daftykins> because it's all about minimising writes
[14:28] <popey> dding the whole drive will write to every cell once, surely?
[14:28] <daftykins> not necessarily
[14:29] <popey> if you fill it, how would it not?
[14:30] <foobarry> dd is a rather even write
[14:30] <foobarry> its heavy writes on the same blocks that are bad surely
[14:30] <daftykins> well, for one SSDs often overprovision, so there's actually more NAND than the available space of the drive shows
[14:32] <Azelphur> popey: to answer your question, 37 people answered all 3 questions, only 15 got them all right :P
[14:32] <daftykins> Azelphur: time to message the 15 ;)
[14:32] <Azelphur> I thought that number would be way lower
[14:32] <Azelphur> clearly
[14:33] <Azelphur> daftykins: amusingly, I recognise most of these names from my high match percentages
[14:33] <daftykins> so their system works!?
[14:33] <Azelphur> daftykins: I tested that the other day, I got my best friend to sign up to see what percentage it'd give us
[14:34] <Azelphur> Answer: 96% match (It's guy loooove)
[14:35] <Azelphur> obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0 for those who don't get the reference :)
[14:35] <daftykins> 8D
[15:29] <foobarry> Azelphur: maybe get your ideal unobtainable woman to think of the questions
[15:30] <foobarry> you thought of a load of man questions and will just get your own double
[15:31] <foobarry> similar to the awesome husband quiz on facebook. the quiz is lame because it assumes every woman just wants a mate to go shoe shopping with
[15:32] <foobarry> also, aren't you intrigued to meet who said the earth was bigger?
[15:48] <popey> foobarry: http://www.dabs.com/products/synology-ds415play-4-bay-desktop-nas-9LP2.html
[15:49] <popey> 400 quid nas that does 1080p transcoding
[15:49] <popey> if that's not "DVD/BD ripper in a box" I don't know what is ☻
[16:59] <DJones> woot...Fibre.....yay
[17:25] <mapps> yay
[17:25] <mapps> alright for some
[17:25] <mapps> im still waiting
[17:26] <mapps> =[
[17:26] <mapps> 5 weeks now!
[17:33] <mapps> YAY
[17:33] <mapps> 2 days 17th and my fibre gets activated
[17:33] <mapps> :D
[18:56] <foobarry> anyone tried kde5?
[19:00] <foobarry> looks like the kde4 update that was needed
[19:03] <popey> nope.
[19:07] <foobarry> shame i've seen 3 articles with the same screenshot
[19:08] <foobarry> popey: already clicked buy on the N54L..
[19:09] <foobarry> the synology looks great though out of my budget
[19:09] <popey> yeah, bit OTT
[19:29]  * smittix ties MooDoo's laces together
[19:31] <diddledan> smittix:! that's evil!
[19:31] <diddledan> but oh so naughtily fun
[19:31]  * diddledan has a go
[19:34] <smittix> heh
[19:34]  * popey is watching http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
[19:35] <diddledan> anything interesting, popey ?
[19:35] <popey> voting on an amendment to DRIP
[19:35] <diddledan> aah
[19:36] <diddledan> I've had a slew of emails about that "emergency" from the EFF or similar people
[19:37] <diddledan> hmm, and bbc iplayer thinks I'm not in the uk
[19:37] <popey> bah
[19:39] <diddledan> this is why geoblockinbg is a Bad Idea™
[19:49] <diddledan> love that there's about 5 people there
[19:49] <diddledan> so much for an "emergency" bill
[20:13] <foobarry> worst kind of weather is one where you have to take a rainjacket but the rest of the day is s o hot andmuggy that you need to put it ina bag
[20:13] <foobarry> i think thats the next few days
[20:13] <foobarry> defrosting the freezer is such a tiresome tasks
[20:16] <diddledan> ergh
[20:16] <foobarry> ugh, forgot i hadn't watched the last half hour of "internets own boy"
[20:16] <foobarry> chromecast ftw
[20:18] <diddledan> +1
[20:18] <diddledan> I love my chromecast
[20:19] <diddledan> best 30£ spent in the last year
[20:19] <foobarry> 2nd best after last fridays chinese takeaway
[20:19] <foobarry> its not £30 for me because i will now finally buy a nas
[20:20] <foobarry> its chromecasts fault
[20:20] <diddledan> lol
[20:20] <diddledan> yeah I want a nas
[20:22] <diddledan> I'm thinking I want a normal pc to do it though rather than an embedded device - like a microserver vs synology
[20:25] <foobarry> it was a very close call
[20:36] <foobarry> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378232716/inkcase-plus-e-ink-screen-for-android-phone