| rick_h__ | greg-g: not sure which 'big trucks' you refer. | 00:32 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h__ | I've actually found the small trucks have gotten bigger, just bigger frames sitting up higher | 00:32 |
| rick_h__ | the f150s I sweat must be as tall and broad as a f250 used to be | 00:32 |
| greg-g | big pickamup trucks | 00:37 |
| greg-g | but yeah, that | 00:37 |
| greg-g | and those F250s/other "3/4 ton" trucks are HUGE now | 00:37 |
| greg-g | and they're made to look so intimidating | 00:37 |
| dzho | yup. | 01:57 |
| dzho | and not just trucks. | 01:57 |
| dzho | subarus too | 01:57 |
| dzho | probably all the things | 01:57 |
| greg-g | dzho: yeah, probably :/ | 03:09 |
| mrgoodcat | .echo test | 03:49 |
| bookiebot | test | 03:49 |
| mrgoodcat | ha he didn't die | 03:49 |
| mrgoodcat | dzho: not sure if i consider a subaru intimidating... | 03:50 |
| mrgoodcat | our f150 is for sure much bigger than the old ones though. With the big front grill it is really a monster | 03:50 |
| greg-g | mrgoodcat: what kind of milage do you get? | 04:38 |
| mrgoodcat | around 17 | 05:40 |
| mrgoodcat | more on the highway | 05:40 |
| mrgoodcat | but the digital readout says 16 is the average | 05:41 |
| mrgoodcat | 2012 lariat ecoboost if you were wondering | 05:41 |
| mrgoodcat | by far the nicest interior i've ever seen in a pickup too | 05:42 |
| mrgoodcat | and it tows like nobody's business, which is saying a lot since we got it to replace an F-250 Superduty Turbo Diesel | 05:43 |
| mrgoodcat | time for bed now | 05:43 |
| dzho | mrgoodcat: I was going with the "bigger" part rather than the "intimidating" part, but ok. | 11:34 |
| dzho | it's not just appearances--I fit in 2012 and later Imprezas, but not earlier. | 11:34 |
| dzho | and I opened the hood to this outback and . . . I'm thinking about putting a couch, a big screen TV and my game console in there. | 11:35 |
| dzho | I mean, there's just so much clear space around it all. | 11:36 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 11:59 |
| cmaloney | I swear, everyone in the GSoC that I've received addresses from has sent me addresses that look more like driving directions. | 12:08 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 12:12 |
| cmaloney | "Please send me an address that a simple American can enter into an even more simple shipping program." :) | 12:34 |
| mrgoodcat | dzho: ah yes. they are certainly bigger | 12:45 |
| brousch | All cars get bigger. Each new model of a car is larger than the previous. When a company's compact car grows to midsized, they introduce a new compact | 12:52 |
| cmaloney | heh | 13:04 |
| cmaloney | http://trustrum.com/copyright-myths/ | 15:48 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/mLoMcW - 403 Forbidden | 15:48 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: ^^ | 15:48 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: they're just growing up | 15:57 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: have you run into any of these myths? | 16:06 |
| jrwren | I'm saying DUH to each of these. | 16:06 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: I've seen the "mail your stuff to yourself" myth | 16:38 |
| cmaloney | Actually, I've seen every one of them | 16:39 |
| cmaloney | http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=523%3Apalladium-booksr-internet-policy&catid=47%3Asubmission-info&Itemid=183 | 16:39 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/ej2VtK - PALLADIUM BOOKS® INTERNET POLICY | 16:39 |
| cmaloney | ^^ This one got me to ask Kevin Seimbeida about it personally. | 16:39 |
| cmaloney | (when he was at Penguicon) | 16:39 |
| cmaloney | Specifically the Derivative Works portion | 16:40 |
| greg-g | yeah, the mail your thing one is common | 16:40 |
| greg-g | I didn't read the full article, but derivatives are complicated | 16:41 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, and fair use is also complicated | 16:41 |
| cmaloney | If you want to make anyone interested in copyright law groan, just say "fair use" | 16:41 |
| greg-g | ;) | 16:42 |
| cmaloney | The problem is copyright is conflated with trademark law | 16:42 |
| cmaloney | so people will shout "fair use" for trademarked items. | 16:43 |
| cmaloney | which isn't quite the same as copyrighted works. | 16:43 |
| cmaloney | e.g.: if I make a poster of Darth Vader and sell it at a convention I might run afoul of trademark, but not of copyright. | 16:43 |
| cmaloney | though Disney will likely throw both books at me for good measure. | 16:44 |
| brousch | This is why Detroit can't have nice things http://www.10news.com/entertainment/around-the-web/photos-woman-catches-relative-of-piranha-testicle-eating-pacu-fish-in-michigan-lake07142014 | 17:36 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/B0yRKL - PHOTOS: Woman catches relative of Piranha, testicle-eating Pacu fish, in Michigan lake - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego | 17:36 |
| cmaloney | nope nope nope nope nope | 18:15 |
| brousch | cmaloney: I'm gonna have to ask you to stay on your side of the Go board. I don't like your boys getting up in my bidnis | 18:31 |
| cmaloney | Heh | 18:32 |
| cmaloney | If you'd stop giving me things to put into Atari I'll gladly comply. :) | 18:33 |
| greg-g | what's the term for drawing more attention to something by trying to get rid of it? | 18:35 |
| greg-g | Techdirt uses it all the time... | 18:35 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: streisand effect | 18:36 |
| cmaloney | Damn fingers. | 18:36 |
| cmaloney | ^^ | 18:36 |
| rick_h__ | hmm, not heard it called dammned fingers before :P | 18:36 |
| greg-g | that one | 18:36 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:36 |
| cmaloney | I meant I couldn't type it fast enough. | 18:36 |
| greg-g | see also: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/wikimedia-foundation-offers-assistance-to-named-defamation-editors/ | 18:37 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/u9a9dq - Wikimedia Foundation offers assistance to Wikipedia editors named in U.S. defamation suit — Wikimedia blog | 18:37 |
| greg-g | guy objects to some stuff on a *TALK PAGE*, not the article itself | 18:37 |
| brousch | cmaloney: I also don't like your perforations. I don't know what to do about them | 18:42 |
| cmaloney | brousch: Best way to deal with those would be to surround them and somehow wall them off | 18:43 |
| brousch | They spread too quickly | 18:43 |
| cmaloney | They're not a particularly strong formation | 18:43 |
| cmaloney | I've had similar formations decimated by GnuGo. | 18:44 |
| cmaloney | http://www.dragongoserver.net/show_games.php?uid=73785 | 18:46 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/AVT8km - DGS - Dragon Go Server | 18:46 |
| brousch | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mco.prj.srv.bwgnugo | 18:47 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/y8hpM2 - BW-GnuGo - Android Apps on Google Play | 18:47 |
| brousch | Do you use that one? I couldn't get it to work | 18:47 |
| cmaloney | yeah, though the interface is a little tricky. | 18:47 |
| cmaloney | Select the "hand" icon and select the "gnu" | 18:48 |
| cmaloney | it's also not a stand-alone app. You'll need bwgo | 18:48 |
| cmaloney | https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Marc+Oldenhof | 18:48 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/5FmKgi - Marc Oldenhof - Android Apps on Google Play | 18:48 |
| brousch | gah, that did it | 18:49 |
| brousch | I had go free, but could not figure out how to find gnu in the game | 18:49 |
| cmaloney | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lrstudios.games.ego.lite | 18:49 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/ypYRd4 - ElyGo Lite (Go Game) - Android Apps on Google Play | 18:49 |
| cmaloney | This is also a pretty straightforward one. I picked it up last night | 18:49 |
| cmaloney | (the paid version) | 18:49 |
| cmaloney | has IGS support instead of Dragon Go Server. | 18:50 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: This guy sounds awesome. | 18:52 |
| cmaloney | Definitely someone I want managing my investments | 18:53 |
| greg-g | totes | 18:54 |
| * greg-g kicks himself | 18:54 | |
| greg-g | stupid CA speak | 18:54 |
| cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb21lsCQ3EM | 18:56 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/SqAJHl - Moon Zappa Valley Girl - YouTube | 18:56 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 19:00 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's last track - Dolphin Escape by AndrewPlusJohn on Sonic Embrace [15 Jul 2014, 13:03] | 19:00 |
| cmaloney | Ah, not scrobbling radio tracks | 19:01 |
| cmaloney | Probably for the better. | 19:01 |
| mrgoodcat | For you PC builders out there http://pangoly.com/en/ | 22:08 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/X65pLK - Pangoly - Build your shiny new PC, Gaming PCs, Parts Configurator | 22:08 |
| cmaloney | http://pangoly.com/en/review/plextor-m6e-256gb-pci-express-px-ag256m6e/5fbc3b15-40ee-e311-9409-00155d0f1804 <- da fuq? | 22:23 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/8mW0MW - Plextor M6e 256GB PCI Express PX-AG256M6e Review - Pangoly | 22:23 |
| cmaloney | The "for gamers" tag on this card makes no sense. | 22:24 |
| cmaloney | https://plus.google.com/+SndChaser/posts/iadrhB1rj3G | 22:28 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/wu0zQs - 10 Netlabels To Follow -… | 22:28 |
| mrgoodcat | where do you see said tag | 22:30 |
| mrgoodcat | ? | 22:30 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: See description | 22:30 |
| cmaloney | I understand that a good SSD will give you better overall performance, but calling it "gamer" is kinda silly | 22:33 |
| cmaloney | Like saying your equipment rack is "audiophile": http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/steve_blinn_designs_3_shelf.htm | 22:33 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/CL24Lf - Home Theater & Sound Equipment Review -- Steve Blinn Designs 3-Shelf Extra-Wide Equipment Rack (7/2008) | 22:33 |
| cmaloney | http://boingboing.net/2014/05/28/10000-audiophile-ethernet-ca.html | 22:38 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/v7KLai - $10,000 audiophile ethernet cable - Boing Boing | 22:38 |
| mrgoodcat | lol audiophile ethernet cable | 22:39 |
| mrgoodcat | read an article where "professionals" listened using different cables. They were unable to distinguish monster cables from a taken apart coathanger. looking for the source now | 22:39 |
| mrgoodcat | http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger | 22:41 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/hRek - Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. a Coat Hanger | 22:41 |
| mrgoodcat | not professionals then | 22:41 |
| mrgoodcat | but still | 22:41 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, it's been pretty well documented that the only thing an audiophile is sensitive isn't music. | 22:42 |
| greg-g | :) | 22:42 |
| greg-g | "The 3-Shelf Extra-Wide Equipment Rack brought clarity and definition to the upper registers. The decays of cymbal and piano notes sounded more realistic." | 22:43 |
| greg-g | wtf | 22:43 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Exactly. | 22:43 |
| cmaloney | The only thing I see this thing improving is if you're in a dwelling that has vibration outside the tolerances of your equipment | 22:44 |
| cmaloney | eg: a CD player with no dampeners. | 22:45 |
| cmaloney | or a turntable | 22:45 |
| cmaloney | That whole article is nothing but a sign post saying "now leaving: sanity" | 22:47 |
| mrgoodcat | http://ckon.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/php-5-7-twice-as-fast/ | 22:52 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/sVKJaF - PHP NG now nearly TWICE as fast as PHP 5.6 | _ck_ says... | 22:52 |
| mrgoodcat | clickbait title | 22:52 |
| mrgoodcat | but actually kinda cool if you're at all interested in the PHP NG project | 22:52 |
| greg-g | bah, hhvm or nothing | 23:04 |
| greg-g | we're switching to HHVM | 23:04 |
| greg-g | we're even special enough to get a FB developer to join our team for a month, full-time | 23:04 |
| greg-g | :) :) | 23:04 |
| greg-g | to help us transition | 23:04 |
| mrgoodcat | thats cool | 23:09 |
| mrgoodcat | php ng is just nice because it's supposed to be completely compatible with current php | 23:10 |
| mrgoodcat | no "help us transition" | 23:10 |
| greg-g | yeah | 23:10 |
| mrgoodcat | just works way faster | 23:10 |
| mrgoodcat | still allows you to write string cheese shit code though | 23:10 |
| greg-g | we're going to get on the order of magnitude of 10x faster with HHVM | 23:10 |
| mrgoodcat | s/allows/encourages | 23:10 |
| greg-g | official stats to come, of course | 23:10 |
| mrgoodcat | of course | 23:11 |
| mrgoodcat | where are you seeing the greatest speedups? | 23:11 |
| mrgoodcat | what types of code | 23:11 |
| greg-g | type as in? | 23:12 |
| mrgoodcat | db code, float point maths, stream processing, etc... | 23:13 |
| greg-g | to give you more info: we're going to be switching our jobrunners to HHVM by the end of the month, because that is a bunch of stuff that takes a while (hence being an offloaded job), and it can be gradually phased in (we have many different job queues) | 23:13 |
| greg-g | not sure if any specific area | 23:13 |
| mrgoodcat | what sort of batch jobs? data analysis? | 23:14 |
| mrgoodcat | s/batch// | 23:14 |
| greg-g | search related, image related, etc | 23:15 |
| greg-g | here are our queues, which will give you an idea: http://paste.debian.net/110018/ | 23:15 |
| mrgoodcat | lol one of them is gigantic | 23:16 |
| mrgoodcat | compared to the others | 23:16 |
| mrgoodcat | so updating search indexes and html caches and such | 23:16 |
| mrgoodcat | and transcoding | 23:16 |
| mrgoodcat | wtf is this one? ParsoidCacheUpdateJobOnDependencyChange: 264971 queued; | 23:17 |
| greg-g | yeah, that's a copy/paste from when we were diagnosing that, and really, that one isn't too bad that it's clogged, as long as it is not getting bigger constantly | 23:17 |
| greg-g | parsoid == new parser backend | 23:17 |
| greg-g | cache update job = cache update job | 23:17 |
| mrgoodcat | wiki -> html? | 23:17 |
| greg-g | on dependency change == when a page changes that would affect other pages (inclusion) | 23:18 |
| mrgoodcat | i got it | 23:18 |
| mrgoodcat | ok | 23:18 |
| * greg-g nods | 23:18 | |
| mrgoodcat | so its ok if that one is a bit slow | 23:18 |
| mrgoodcat | since it doesn't affect the page being edited directly | 23:18 |
| greg-g | yeah, mostly because parsoid is only used for our new VisualEditor | 23:18 |
| mrgoodcat | oh got it | 23:18 |
| greg-g | parsoid converts wikitext to annotated html5 which the VisualEditor then edits | 23:18 |
| mrgoodcat | then back to wikitext? or just left as HTML? | 23:19 |
| greg-g | yeah, wikitext is currently the canonical version | 23:19 |
| greg-g | in the future the plan is to make the annotated html5 canonical and generate the wikitext from that | 23:20 |
| greg-g | they have an immense round-trip testing infrastructure | 23:20 |
| greg-g | "they" == the parsoid team | 23:20 |
| mrgoodcat | got it. so the do wikitext1 > html > wikitext2, then test wikitext1 == wikitext2 | 23:21 |
| greg-g | yah | 23:22 |
| mrgoodcat | well this is fucked http://easycount.mjec.net/ | 23:40 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/Hz5uWL - FOI request for EasyCount | 23:40 |
| mrgoodcat | the australian government won't release the source code for the software used to count votes because it contains an algorithmic trade secret | 23:40 |
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