[00:32] greg-g: not sure which 'big trucks' you refer. [00:32] I've actually found the small trucks have gotten bigger, just bigger frames sitting up higher [00:32] the f150s I sweat must be as tall and broad as a f250 used to be [00:37] big pickamup trucks [00:37] but yeah, that [00:37] and those F250s/other "3/4 ton" trucks are HUGE now [00:37] and they're made to look so intimidating [01:57] yup. [01:57] and not just trucks. [01:57] subarus too [01:57] probably all the things [03:09] dzho: yeah, probably :/ [03:49] .echo test [03:49] test [03:49] ha he didn't die [03:50] dzho: not sure if i consider a subaru intimidating... [03:50] our f150 is for sure much bigger than the old ones though. With the big front grill it is really a monster [04:38] mrgoodcat: what kind of milage do you get? [05:40] around 17 [05:40] more on the highway [05:41] but the digital readout says 16 is the average [05:41] 2012 lariat ecoboost if you were wondering [05:42] by far the nicest interior i've ever seen in a pickup too [05:43] and it tows like nobody's business, which is saying a lot since we got it to replace an F-250 Superduty Turbo Diesel [05:43] time for bed now [11:34] mrgoodcat: I was going with the "bigger" part rather than the "intimidating" part, but ok. [11:34] it's not just appearances--I fit in 2012 and later Imprezas, but not earlier. [11:35] and I opened the hood to this outback and . . . I'm thinking about putting a couch, a big screen TV and my game console in there. [11:36] I mean, there's just so much clear space around it all. [11:59] Good morning [12:08] I swear, everyone in the GSoC that I've received addresses from has sent me addresses that look more like driving directions. [12:12] lol [12:34] "Please send me an address that a simple American can enter into an even more simple shipping program." :) [12:45] dzho: ah yes. they are certainly bigger [12:52] All cars get bigger. Each new model of a car is larger than the previous. When a company's compact car grows to midsized, they introduce a new compact [13:04] heh [15:48] http://trustrum.com/copyright-myths/ [15:48] http://goo.gl/mLoMcW - 403 Forbidden [15:48] greg-g: ^^ [15:57] brousch: they're just growing up [16:06] cmaloney: have you run into any of these myths? [16:06] I'm saying DUH to each of these. [16:38] jrwren: I've seen the "mail your stuff to yourself" myth [16:39] Actually, I've seen every one of them [16:39] http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=523%3Apalladium-booksr-internet-policy&catid=47%3Asubmission-info&Itemid=183 [16:39] http://goo.gl/ej2VtK - PALLADIUM BOOKS® INTERNET POLICY [16:39] ^^ This one got me to ask Kevin Seimbeida about it personally. [16:39] (when he was at Penguicon) [16:40] Specifically the Derivative Works portion [16:40] yeah, the mail your thing one is common [16:41] I didn't read the full article, but derivatives are complicated [16:41] Yeah, and fair use is also complicated [16:41] If you want to make anyone interested in copyright law groan, just say "fair use" [16:42] ;) [16:42] The problem is copyright is conflated with trademark law [16:43] so people will shout "fair use" for trademarked items. [16:43] which isn't quite the same as copyrighted works. [16:43] e.g.: if I make a poster of Darth Vader and sell it at a convention I might run afoul of trademark, but not of copyright. [16:44] though Disney will likely throw both books at me for good measure. [17:36] This is why Detroit can't have nice things http://www.10news.com/entertainment/around-the-web/photos-woman-catches-relative-of-piranha-testicle-eating-pacu-fish-in-michigan-lake07142014 [17:36] http://goo.gl/B0yRKL - PHOTOS: Woman catches relative of Piranha, testicle-eating Pacu fish, in Michigan lake - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego [18:15] nope nope nope nope nope [18:31] cmaloney: I'm gonna have to ask you to stay on your side of the Go board. I don't like your boys getting up in my bidnis [18:32] Heh [18:33] If you'd stop giving me things to put into Atari I'll gladly comply. :) [18:35] what's the term for drawing more attention to something by trying to get rid of it? [18:35] Techdirt uses it all the time... [18:36] greg-g: streisand effect [18:36] Damn fingers. [18:36] ^^ [18:36] hmm, not heard it called dammned fingers before :P [18:36] that one [18:36] :) [18:36] I meant I couldn't type it fast enough. [18:37] see also: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/wikimedia-foundation-offers-assistance-to-named-defamation-editors/ [18:37] http://goo.gl/u9a9dq - Wikimedia Foundation offers assistance to Wikipedia editors named in U.S. defamation suit — Wikimedia blog [18:37] guy objects to some stuff on a *TALK PAGE*, not the article itself [18:42] cmaloney: I also don't like your perforations. I don't know what to do about them [18:43] brousch: Best way to deal with those would be to surround them and somehow wall them off [18:43] They spread too quickly [18:43] They're not a particularly strong formation [18:44] I've had similar formations decimated by GnuGo. [18:46] http://www.dragongoserver.net/show_games.php?uid=73785 [18:46] http://goo.gl/AVT8km - DGS - Dragon Go Server [18:47] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mco.prj.srv.bwgnugo [18:47] http://goo.gl/y8hpM2 - BW-GnuGo - Android Apps on Google Play [18:47] Do you use that one? I couldn't get it to work [18:47] yeah, though the interface is a little tricky. [18:48] Select the "hand" icon and select the "gnu" [18:48] it's also not a stand-alone app. You'll need bwgo [18:48] https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Marc+Oldenhof [18:48] http://goo.gl/5FmKgi - Marc Oldenhof - Android Apps on Google Play [18:49] gah, that did it [18:49] I had go free, but could not figure out how to find gnu in the game [18:49] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lrstudios.games.ego.lite [18:49] http://goo.gl/ypYRd4 - ElyGo Lite (Go Game) - Android Apps on Google Play [18:49] This is also a pretty straightforward one. I picked it up last night [18:49] (the paid version) [18:50] has IGS support instead of Dragon Go Server. [18:52] greg-g: This guy sounds awesome. [18:53] Definitely someone I want managing my investments [18:54] totes [18:54] * greg-g kicks himself [18:54] stupid CA speak [18:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb21lsCQ3EM [18:56] http://goo.gl/SqAJHl - Moon Zappa Valley Girl - YouTube [19:00] .np squeekyhoho [19:00] squeekyhoho's last track - Dolphin Escape by AndrewPlusJohn on Sonic Embrace [15 Jul 2014, 13:03] [19:01] Ah, not scrobbling radio tracks [19:01] Probably for the better. [22:08] For you PC builders out there http://pangoly.com/en/ [22:08] http://goo.gl/X65pLK - Pangoly - Build your shiny new PC, Gaming PCs, Parts Configurator [22:23] http://pangoly.com/en/review/plextor-m6e-256gb-pci-express-px-ag256m6e/5fbc3b15-40ee-e311-9409-00155d0f1804 <- da fuq? [22:23] http://goo.gl/8mW0MW - Plextor M6e 256GB PCI Express PX-AG256M6e Review - Pangoly [22:24] The "for gamers" tag on this card makes no sense. [22:28] https://plus.google.com/+SndChaser/posts/iadrhB1rj3G [22:28] http://goo.gl/wu0zQs - 10 Netlabels To Follow -… [22:30] where do you see said tag [22:30] ? [22:30] mrgoodcat: See description [22:33] I understand that a good SSD will give you better overall performance, but calling it "gamer" is kinda silly [22:33] Like saying your equipment rack is "audiophile": http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/steve_blinn_designs_3_shelf.htm [22:33] http://goo.gl/CL24Lf - Home Theater & Sound Equipment Review -- Steve Blinn Designs 3-Shelf Extra-Wide Equipment Rack (7/2008) [22:38] http://boingboing.net/2014/05/28/10000-audiophile-ethernet-ca.html [22:38] http://goo.gl/v7KLai - $10,000 audiophile ethernet cable - Boing Boing [22:39] lol audiophile ethernet cable [22:39] read an article where "professionals" listened using different cables. They were unable to distinguish monster cables from a taken apart coathanger. looking for the source now [22:41] http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger [22:41] http://goo.gl/hRek - Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. a Coat Hanger [22:41] not professionals then [22:41] but still [22:42] Yeah, it's been pretty well documented that the only thing an audiophile is sensitive isn't music. [22:42] :) [22:43] "The 3-Shelf Extra-Wide Equipment Rack brought clarity and definition to the upper registers. The decays of cymbal and piano notes sounded more realistic." [22:43] wtf [22:43] greg-g: Exactly. [22:44] The only thing I see this thing improving is if you're in a dwelling that has vibration outside the tolerances of your equipment [22:45] eg: a CD player with no dampeners. [22:45] or a turntable [22:47] That whole article is nothing but a sign post saying "now leaving: sanity" [22:52] http://ckon.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/php-5-7-twice-as-fast/ [22:52] http://goo.gl/sVKJaF - PHP NG now nearly TWICE as fast as PHP 5.6 | _ck_ says... [22:52] clickbait title [22:52] but actually kinda cool if you're at all interested in the PHP NG project [23:04] bah, hhvm or nothing [23:04] we're switching to HHVM [23:04] we're even special enough to get a FB developer to join our team for a month, full-time [23:04] :) :) [23:04] to help us transition [23:09] thats cool [23:10] php ng is just nice because it's supposed to be completely compatible with current php [23:10] no "help us transition" [23:10] yeah [23:10] just works way faster [23:10] still allows you to write string cheese shit code though [23:10] we're going to get on the order of magnitude of 10x faster with HHVM [23:10] s/allows/encourages [23:10] official stats to come, of course [23:11] of course [23:11] where are you seeing the greatest speedups? [23:11] what types of code [23:12] type as in? [23:13] db code, float point maths, stream processing, etc... [23:13] to give you more info: we're going to be switching our jobrunners to HHVM by the end of the month, because that is a bunch of stuff that takes a while (hence being an offloaded job), and it can be gradually phased in (we have many different job queues) [23:13] not sure if any specific area [23:14] what sort of batch jobs? data analysis? [23:14] s/batch// [23:15] search related, image related, etc [23:15] here are our queues, which will give you an idea: http://paste.debian.net/110018/ [23:16] lol one of them is gigantic [23:16] compared to the others [23:16] so updating search indexes and html caches and such [23:16] and transcoding [23:17] wtf is this one? ParsoidCacheUpdateJobOnDependencyChange: 264971 queued; [23:17] yeah, that's a copy/paste from when we were diagnosing that, and really, that one isn't too bad that it's clogged, as long as it is not getting bigger constantly [23:17] parsoid == new parser backend [23:17] cache update job = cache update job [23:17] wiki -> html? [23:18] on dependency change == when a page changes that would affect other pages (inclusion) [23:18] i got it [23:18] ok [23:18] * greg-g nods [23:18] so its ok if that one is a bit slow [23:18] since it doesn't affect the page being edited directly [23:18] yeah, mostly because parsoid is only used for our new VisualEditor [23:18] oh got it [23:18] parsoid converts wikitext to annotated html5 which the VisualEditor then edits [23:19] then back to wikitext? or just left as HTML? [23:19] yeah, wikitext is currently the canonical version [23:20] in the future the plan is to make the annotated html5 canonical and generate the wikitext from that [23:20] they have an immense round-trip testing infrastructure [23:20] "they" == the parsoid team [23:21] got it. so the do wikitext1 > html > wikitext2, then test wikitext1 == wikitext2 [23:22] yah [23:40] well this is fucked http://easycount.mjec.net/ [23:40] http://goo.gl/Hz5uWL - FOI request for EasyCount [23:40] the australian government won't release the source code for the software used to count votes because it contains an algorithmic trade secret