[00:32] <rick_h__> greg-g: not sure which 'big trucks' you refer.
[00:32] <rick_h__> I've actually found the small trucks have gotten bigger, just bigger frames sitting up higher
[00:32] <rick_h__> the f150s I sweat must be as tall and broad as a f250 used to be
[00:37] <greg-g> big pickamup trucks
[00:37] <greg-g> but yeah, that
[00:37] <greg-g> and those F250s/other "3/4 ton" trucks are HUGE now
[00:37] <greg-g> and they're made to look so intimidating
[01:57] <dzho> yup.
[01:57] <dzho> and not just trucks.
[01:57] <dzho> subarus too
[01:57] <dzho> probably all the things
[03:09] <greg-g> dzho: yeah, probably :/
[03:49] <mrgoodcat> .echo test
[03:49] <bookiebot> test
[03:49] <mrgoodcat> ha he didn't die
[03:50] <mrgoodcat> dzho: not sure if i consider a subaru intimidating...
[03:50] <mrgoodcat> our f150 is for sure much bigger than the old ones though. With the big front grill it is really a monster
[04:38] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: what kind of milage do you get?
[05:40] <mrgoodcat> around 17
[05:40] <mrgoodcat> more on the highway
[05:41] <mrgoodcat> but the digital readout says 16 is the average
[05:41] <mrgoodcat> 2012 lariat ecoboost if you were wondering
[05:42] <mrgoodcat> by far the nicest interior i've ever seen in a pickup too
[05:43] <mrgoodcat> and it tows like nobody's business, which is saying a lot since we got it to replace an F-250 Superduty Turbo Diesel
[05:43] <mrgoodcat> time for bed now
[11:34] <dzho> mrgoodcat: I was going with the "bigger" part rather than the "intimidating" part, but ok.
[11:34] <dzho> it's not just appearances--I fit in 2012 and later Imprezas, but not earlier.
[11:35] <dzho> and I opened the hood to this outback and . . . I'm thinking about putting a couch, a big screen TV and my game console in there.
[11:36] <dzho> I mean, there's just so much clear space around it all.
[11:59] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:08] <cmaloney> I swear, everyone in the GSoC that I've received addresses from has sent me addresses that look more like driving directions.
[12:12] <rick_h__> lol
[12:34] <cmaloney> "Please send me an address that a simple American can enter into an even more simple shipping program." :)
[12:45] <mrgoodcat> dzho: ah yes. they are certainly bigger
[12:52] <brousch> All cars get bigger. Each new model of a car is larger than the previous. When a company's compact car grows to midsized, they introduce a new compact
[13:04] <cmaloney> heh
[15:48] <cmaloney> http://trustrum.com/copyright-myths/
[15:48] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mLoMcW - 403 Forbidden
[15:48] <cmaloney> greg-g: ^^
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> brousch: they're just growing up
[16:06] <jrwren> cmaloney: have you run into any of these myths?
[16:06] <jrwren> I'm saying DUH to each of these.
[16:38] <cmaloney> jrwren: I've seen the "mail your stuff to yourself" myth
[16:39] <cmaloney> Actually, I've seen every one of them
[16:39] <cmaloney> http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=523%3Apalladium-booksr-internet-policy&catid=47%3Asubmission-info&Itemid=183
[16:39] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ej2VtK - PALLADIUM BOOKS® INTERNET POLICY
[16:39] <cmaloney> ^^ This one got me to ask Kevin Seimbeida about it personally.
[16:39] <cmaloney> (when he was at Penguicon)
[16:40] <cmaloney> Specifically the Derivative Works portion
[16:40] <greg-g> yeah, the mail your thing one is common
[16:41] <greg-g> I didn't read the full article, but derivatives are complicated
[16:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, and fair use is also complicated
[16:41] <cmaloney> If you want to make anyone interested in copyright law groan, just say "fair use"
[16:42] <greg-g> ;)
[16:42] <cmaloney> The problem is copyright is conflated with trademark law
[16:43] <cmaloney> so people will shout "fair use" for trademarked items.
[16:43] <cmaloney> which isn't quite the same as copyrighted works.
[16:43] <cmaloney> e.g.: if I make a poster of Darth Vader and sell it at a convention I might run afoul of trademark, but not of copyright.
[16:44] <cmaloney> though Disney will likely throw both books at me for good measure.
[17:36] <brousch> This is why Detroit can't have nice things http://www.10news.com/entertainment/around-the-web/photos-woman-catches-relative-of-piranha-testicle-eating-pacu-fish-in-michigan-lake07142014
[17:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/B0yRKL - PHOTOS: Woman catches relative of Piranha, testicle-eating Pacu fish, in Michigan lake - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego
[18:15] <cmaloney> nope nope nope nope nope
[18:31] <brousch> cmaloney: I'm gonna have to ask you to stay on your side of the Go board. I don't like your boys getting up in my bidnis
[18:32] <cmaloney> Heh
[18:33] <cmaloney> If you'd stop giving me things to put into Atari I'll gladly comply. :)
[18:35] <greg-g> what's the term for drawing more attention to something by trying to get rid of it?
[18:35] <greg-g> Techdirt uses it all the time...
[18:36] <rick_h__> greg-g: streisand effect
[18:36] <cmaloney> Damn fingers.
[18:36] <cmaloney> ^^
[18:36] <rick_h__> hmm, not heard it called dammned fingers before :P
[18:36] <greg-g> that one
[18:36] <greg-g> :)
[18:36] <cmaloney> I meant I couldn't type it fast enough.
[18:37] <greg-g> see also: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/wikimedia-foundation-offers-assistance-to-named-defamation-editors/
[18:37] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/u9a9dq - Wikimedia Foundation offers assistance to Wikipedia editors named in U.S. defamation suit — Wikimedia blog
[18:37] <greg-g> guy objects to some stuff on a *TALK PAGE*, not the article itself
[18:42] <brousch> cmaloney: I also don't like your perforations. I don't know what to do about them
[18:43] <cmaloney> brousch: Best way to deal with those would be to surround them and somehow wall them off
[18:43] <brousch> They spread too quickly
[18:43] <cmaloney> They're not a particularly strong formation
[18:44] <cmaloney> I've had similar formations decimated by GnuGo.
[18:46] <cmaloney> http://www.dragongoserver.net/show_games.php?uid=73785
[18:46] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/AVT8km - DGS - Dragon Go Server
[18:47] <brousch> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mco.prj.srv.bwgnugo
[18:47] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/y8hpM2 - BW-GnuGo - Android Apps on Google Play
[18:47] <brousch> Do you use that one? I couldn't get it to work
[18:47] <cmaloney> yeah, though the interface is a little tricky.
[18:48] <cmaloney> Select the "hand" icon and select the "gnu"
[18:48] <cmaloney> it's also not a stand-alone app. You'll need bwgo
[18:48] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Marc+Oldenhof
[18:48] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/5FmKgi - Marc Oldenhof - Android Apps on Google Play
[18:49] <brousch> gah, that did it
[18:49] <brousch> I had go free, but could not figure out how to find gnu in the game
[18:49] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lrstudios.games.ego.lite
[18:49] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ypYRd4 - ElyGo Lite (Go Game) - Android Apps on Google Play
[18:49] <cmaloney> This is also a pretty straightforward one. I picked it up last night
[18:49] <cmaloney> (the paid version)
[18:50] <cmaloney> has IGS support instead of Dragon Go Server.
[18:52] <cmaloney> greg-g: This guy sounds awesome.
[18:53] <cmaloney> Definitely someone I want managing my investments
[18:54] <greg-g> totes
[18:54]  * greg-g kicks himself
[18:54] <greg-g> stupid CA speak
[18:56] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb21lsCQ3EM
[18:56] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/SqAJHl - Moon Zappa Valley Girl - YouTube
[19:00] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[19:00] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's last track - Dolphin Escape by AndrewPlusJohn on Sonic Embrace [15 Jul 2014, 13:03]
[19:01] <cmaloney> Ah, not scrobbling radio tracks
[19:01] <cmaloney> Probably for the better.
[22:08] <mrgoodcat> For you PC builders out there http://pangoly.com/en/
[22:08] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/X65pLK - Pangoly - Build your shiny new PC, Gaming PCs, Parts Configurator
[22:23] <cmaloney> http://pangoly.com/en/review/plextor-m6e-256gb-pci-express-px-ag256m6e/5fbc3b15-40ee-e311-9409-00155d0f1804 <- da fuq?
[22:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/8mW0MW - Plextor M6e 256GB PCI Express PX-AG256M6e Review - Pangoly
[22:24] <cmaloney> The "for gamers" tag on this card makes no sense.
[22:28] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+SndChaser/posts/iadrhB1rj3G
[22:28] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/wu0zQs - 10 Netlabels To Follow -…
[22:30] <mrgoodcat> where do you see said tag
[22:30] <mrgoodcat> ?
[22:30] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: See description
[22:33] <cmaloney> I understand that a good SSD will give you better overall performance, but calling it "gamer" is kinda silly
[22:33] <cmaloney> Like saying your equipment rack is "audiophile": http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/steve_blinn_designs_3_shelf.htm
[22:33] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/CL24Lf - Home Theater & Sound Equipment Review -- Steve Blinn Designs 3-Shelf Extra-Wide Equipment Rack (7/2008)
[22:38] <cmaloney> http://boingboing.net/2014/05/28/10000-audiophile-ethernet-ca.html
[22:38] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/v7KLai - $10,000 audiophile ethernet cable - Boing Boing
[22:39] <mrgoodcat> lol audiophile ethernet cable
[22:39] <mrgoodcat> read an article where "professionals" listened using different cables. They were unable to distinguish monster cables from a taken apart coathanger. looking for the source now
[22:41] <mrgoodcat> http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger
[22:41] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/hRek - Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. a Coat Hanger
[22:41] <mrgoodcat> not professionals then
[22:41] <mrgoodcat> but still
[22:42] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's been pretty well documented that the only thing an audiophile is sensitive isn't music.
[22:42] <greg-g> :)
[22:43] <greg-g> "The 3-Shelf Extra-Wide Equipment Rack brought clarity and definition to the upper registers. The decays of cymbal and piano notes sounded more realistic."
[22:43] <greg-g> wtf
[22:43] <cmaloney> greg-g: Exactly.
[22:44] <cmaloney> The only thing I see this thing improving is if you're in a dwelling that has vibration outside the tolerances of your equipment
[22:45] <cmaloney> eg: a CD player with no dampeners.
[22:45] <cmaloney> or a turntable
[22:47] <cmaloney> That whole article is nothing but a sign post saying "now leaving: sanity"
[22:52] <mrgoodcat> http://ckon.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/php-5-7-twice-as-fast/
[22:52] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/sVKJaF - PHP NG now nearly TWICE as fast as PHP 5.6 | _ck_ says...
[22:52] <mrgoodcat> clickbait title
[22:52] <mrgoodcat> but actually kinda cool if you're at all interested in the PHP NG project
[23:04] <greg-g> bah, hhvm or nothing
[23:04] <greg-g> we're switching to HHVM
[23:04] <greg-g> we're even special enough to get a FB developer to join our team for a month, full-time
[23:04] <greg-g> :) :)
[23:04] <greg-g> to help us transition
[23:09] <mrgoodcat> thats cool
[23:10] <mrgoodcat> php ng is just nice because it's supposed to be completely compatible with current php
[23:10] <mrgoodcat> no "help us transition"
[23:10] <greg-g> yeah
[23:10] <mrgoodcat> just works way faster
[23:10] <mrgoodcat> still allows you to write string cheese shit code though
[23:10] <greg-g> we're going to get on the order of magnitude of 10x faster with HHVM
[23:10] <mrgoodcat> s/allows/encourages
[23:10] <greg-g> official stats to come, of course
[23:11] <mrgoodcat> of course
[23:11] <mrgoodcat> where are you seeing the greatest speedups?
[23:11] <mrgoodcat> what types of code
[23:12] <greg-g> type as in?
[23:13] <mrgoodcat> db code, float point maths, stream processing, etc...
[23:13] <greg-g> to give you more info: we're going to be switching our jobrunners to HHVM by the end of the month, because that is a bunch of stuff that takes a while (hence being an offloaded job), and it can be gradually phased in (we have many different job queues)
[23:13] <greg-g> not sure if any specific area
[23:14] <mrgoodcat> what sort of batch jobs? data analysis?
[23:14] <mrgoodcat> s/batch//
[23:15] <greg-g> search related, image related, etc
[23:15] <greg-g> here are our queues, which will give you an idea: http://paste.debian.net/110018/
[23:16] <mrgoodcat> lol one of them is gigantic
[23:16] <mrgoodcat> compared to the others
[23:16] <mrgoodcat> so updating search indexes and html caches and such
[23:16] <mrgoodcat> and transcoding
[23:17] <mrgoodcat> wtf is this one? ParsoidCacheUpdateJobOnDependencyChange: 264971 queued;
[23:17] <greg-g> yeah, that's a copy/paste from when we were diagnosing that, and really, that one isn't too bad that it's clogged, as long as it is not getting bigger constantly
[23:17] <greg-g> parsoid == new parser backend
[23:17] <greg-g> cache update job = cache update job
[23:17] <mrgoodcat> wiki -> html?
[23:18] <greg-g> on dependency change == when a page changes that would affect other pages (inclusion)
[23:18] <mrgoodcat> i got it
[23:18] <mrgoodcat> ok
[23:18]  * greg-g nods
[23:18] <mrgoodcat> so its ok if that one is a bit slow
[23:18] <mrgoodcat> since it doesn't affect the page being edited directly
[23:18] <greg-g> yeah, mostly because parsoid is only used for our new VisualEditor
[23:18] <mrgoodcat> oh got it
[23:18] <greg-g> parsoid converts wikitext to annotated html5 which the VisualEditor then edits
[23:19] <mrgoodcat> then back to wikitext? or just left as HTML?
[23:19] <greg-g> yeah, wikitext is currently the canonical version
[23:20] <greg-g> in the future the plan is to make the annotated html5 canonical and generate the wikitext from that
[23:20] <greg-g> they have an immense round-trip testing infrastructure
[23:20] <greg-g> "they" == the parsoid team
[23:21] <mrgoodcat> got it. so the do wikitext1 > html > wikitext2, then test wikitext1 == wikitext2
[23:22] <greg-g> yah
[23:40] <mrgoodcat> well this is fucked http://easycount.mjec.net/
[23:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Hz5uWL - FOI request for EasyCount
[23:40] <mrgoodcat> the australian government won't release the source code for the software used to count votes because it contains an algorithmic trade secret