[00:00] <schultza> Docky and Cairo.. are those the only two?
[00:00] <Geo> Can I slide a bootable HD from machine A into machine B, knowing its /dev/path is different, and expect it to boot on its own?
[00:01] <ObrienDave> if you replace drives, i would suppose it would work
[00:01] <daftykins> Geo: /etc/fstab is populated with UUID values, so it should be fine - unless you've modified this by hand
[00:02] <schultza> Be back.
[00:02] <xangua> schultza: there is also avant
[00:02] <Geo> so the /dev/path doesnt matter at all for boot then
[00:03] <daftykins> Geo: nope
[00:04] <Geo> cool. thanks
[00:12] <cuddylier> Is there a way to stop the 'find' command being recurrsive?
[00:12] <Geo> daftykins: it didnt work
[00:13] <Geo> it could be because the HD was SCSI, and the computer has SATA ports, but I'm pretty sure this is your bad advice's fault.
[00:13] <daftykins> Geo: a little bit more detail may be useful here :)
[00:13] <daftykins> i hope that's your ide of humour
[00:13] <daftykins> *idea
[00:13] <Geo> it *cant* be mine
[00:13] <daftykins> SAS and SATA?
[00:13] <Geo> oh, thought ide was more hard drive humor :(
[00:13] <daftykins> or actual many-pins SCSI vs. SATA
[00:14] <Geo> many pins. Never bothered to check when I brought this stupid thing home. sigh. heh
[00:14] <daftykins> hah
[00:14] <daftykins> so what was your original task?
[00:14] <daftykins> what were you really trying to achieve
[00:15] <stonner> is that possible to build ubuntu from scratch?
[00:15] <Geo> just upgrading to a new box is all. Never thought to check the connectors. And I don't have any SATAs laying aronud. oh well, task for someone else to order some drives
[00:16] <rww> cuddylier: add the -maxdepth 0 parameter
[00:16] <Bashing-om> stonner: Sure ! .. see: Linux From scratch (LFS) .
[00:16] <daftykins> stonner: you can do an install from the mini.iso and install only packages you want...
[00:16] <daftykins> LFS != ubuntu ?
[00:17] <Bashing-om> daftykins: uhh, yeah .. nope, that (LFS) would not be 'ubuntu' ...
[00:19] <ken_> Anyon3 know of an onscreen  keyboard fo9r Linux Mate 17 the 32 bit version'
[00:19] <rww> !mintsupport
[00:20] <ken_>  Ok how about a debian onscreen keyboard for ubuntu then?
[00:20] <rww> ken_: Use the support channel for your distribution, please.
[00:21] <ken_> exit
[00:21] <schultza> whats avant?
[00:21] <ken_> quit
[00:21] <stonner> Bashing-om, thanks
[00:21] <stonner> daftykins, thanks
[00:23] <Keba> hi there
[00:23] <Keba> Is there a command which tells me *when* I have upgraded a package?
[00:24] <ObrienDave> like a 'history'?
[00:25] <Keba> yes, but I don‘t need a complete history, a "The last time you upgraded $foo was two days ago" would be fine enough
[00:25] <stonner> if i block incoming at wan interface (on my rouuter), my computers are safe?
[00:25] <nng> stonner: like with a firewall?
[00:26] <stonner> nng, yes, i use openwrt as my router distro, an i blocked incoming traffic
[00:26] <stonner> nng, wan traffic
[00:26] <ObrienDave> Keba, not sure. i run update every day. i know all my installed packages are fresh
[00:26] <roadtrip> printer problem.
[00:26] <Keba> /var/log/dpgk.log shows the information of the last two weeks
[00:27] <stonner> nng, are my computers safe. no backdoor has effect?
[00:27] <roadtrip> "rendering completed" but it won't print.  Any idea? it was working fine last time.
[00:27] <nng> stonner: yeah I am wondingering if you are doing it with a physical firewall.
[00:27] <nng> if so you should be all set
[00:28] <stonner> nng, my physical router has firewall funtion
[00:28] <stonner> nng, function
[00:28] <stonner> nng, are my computers protected against backdoor?
[00:29] <nng> stonner: that works. Unless you forward some ports no one should be to connect directly to your computers.
[00:29]  * Geo LOVES the backdoor.
[00:29] <nng> stonner: a back door would be if someone intentially left a way in.
[00:30] <stonner> nng, but, if my computers run some backdoor, is it protected?
[00:30] <nng> guys correct me if I'm wrong. I am rapidly getting to a point where I don't want to give bad advice.
[00:30] <Geo> to say you're protected againt malware by preventing incoming connections would be incorrect
[00:31] <Geo> There are tons of attack vectors that can be used, not all of which depend on someone connecting to your computer
[00:31] <stonner> Geo, against backdoor
[00:31] <Geo> if you are worried, disconnect your computer from the internet.
[00:31] <Geo> 'backdoor' isnt a specific thing, thats a concept
[00:31] <OerHeks> stonner, a backdoor is never safe, why?
[00:32] <stonner> Geo, i am not worried, but i work with network security
[00:33] <stonner> OerHeks, i think if my firewall on router prevents incoming connections my computers are safe
[00:34] <cuddylier> find . -name -maxdepth 2 "launcher"
[00:34] <stonner> the firewall will block all incoming coneections
[00:34] <cuddylier> Anyone any idea what is incorrect about that syntax?
[00:34] <cuddylier> The . is meant to mean the current directory
[00:35] <rww> cuddylier: put -maxdepth 2 before -name
[00:35] <nng> stonner: are you worried about malware on your system or just someone nasty scraping the tubes for unprotected machines?
[00:38] <xmos> Hey guys. I've been using setxkbmap to switch between keyboard layouts. It has stopped working after upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04. setxkbmap de works, but the toggle option (i.e., switching between us and de) doesn't. Anyone experienced similar issue?
[00:38] <Geo> stonner: what I'm telling you is that is a horrible assumption
[00:39] <stonner> nng, i am searching for ways to avoid backdoor activitites on my system
[00:39] <Geo> and if you work in network security, that is even worse :/
[00:42] <profmike> Hey guys...I want to start to get involved with Ububtu development...where do I start?
[00:42] <stonner> profmike, me too
[00:43] <rww> ubottu: getinvolved
[00:54] <treehug88> hi everyone, I'm running a laptop with ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS, and I just got a message about my HEW going out of support. What are the pros/cons of updating the HWE vs upgrading to 14.04?
[00:54] <edgar_> hello
[00:54] <treehug88> note: this is a machine I don't want to mess around with; it's used for production uses
[00:55] <treehug88> (which is why I chose LTS)
[00:56] <daftykins> treehug88: "HEW" ? "HWE" ?
[00:56] <rww> hardware enablement stack, i assume
[00:59] <treehug88> daftykins, rww: yes, HWE, not HEW - that was a typo
[01:00] <treehug88> rww: any input on this topic?
[01:00] <daftykins> which are you running? the quantal or raring HES?
[01:01] <treehug88> how can I tell? lsb_release -a says "Ubuntu 12.04.4 LST, Codename: precise"
[01:01] <treehug88> LTS
[01:02] <daftykins> good question.
[01:05] <treehug88> any experienced ubuntu people here have input? I'm normally a redhat guy
[01:05] <daftykins> kinda the wrong time to ask i think
[01:06] <daftykins> treehug88: try grepping "dpkg -l" with each release name that has a HES
[01:06] <treehug88> seems that way, daftykins  :)
[01:07] <treehug88> daftykins: HES?
[01:07] <daftykins> hardware enablement stack
[01:07] <treehug88> I thought that acronym was HWE
[01:08] <daftykins> the one you said seemed to illogical to the words that i made one up
[01:08] <treehug88> yeah, HWE is what my system calls it
[01:09] <Guest83680> a
[01:11] <isthisreallife> hey, im trying to upgrade Ubuntu version to the newest but got this error
[01:11] <isthisreallife> http://pastie.org/9390926
[01:13] <edition> ive set my kernel limit to unlimited, how to undo this?
[01:13] <treehug88> hmmmmm. I did what the Update Manage suggested, and it's not complaining any more, but I'm still on 12.04.4
[01:13] <treehug88> edition: which kernel limit are you talking about?
[01:13] <edition> realtime
[01:13] <isthisreallife> so what can i do now? can i fix it somehow? thanks:)
[01:13] <edition> figured it wasn't a good idea...
[01:13] <treehug88> isthisreallife: looks like your system doesn't know where to install mongodb from
[01:14] <treehug88> maybe uninstall that package, upgrade, then reinstall it
[01:14] <treehug88> I assume you have backups
[01:14] <treehug88> edition: lemme see if I can answer that for you
[01:14] <isthisreallife> i dont
[01:14] <xangua> treehug88: if you are upgradin from precise, why does it says saucy¿
[01:15] <treehug88> xangua: when did I say it said saucy?
[01:15] <xangua> File "/tmp/ubuntu-release-upgrader-hfyxft/saucy", line 10, in
[01:15] <treehug88> (I didn't)
[01:15] <treehug88> xangua: that's not me.
[01:16] <treehug88> I mean, that pastie wasn't from me
[01:16] <xangua> ooh sorry gor lines mix up
[01:16] <edition> 0_o
[01:16] <isthisreallife> http://pastie.org/9390944,  treehug88, how can i delete it?
[01:17] <treehug88> isthisreallife: from the command line, try 1) dpkg --list | grep mongo
[01:18] <treehug88> that will give you the package name(s)
[01:18] <treehug88> then do
[01:18] <treehug88> sudo apt-get --purge remove (packages)
[01:18] <isthisreallife> http://pastie.org/9390955
[01:19] <isthisreallife> treehug88 ^
[01:19] <treehug88> isthisreallife: cool, do this now:
[01:19] <treehug88> sudo apt-get --purge mongodb-10gen robomongo
[01:19] <treehug88> again, I ASSUME YOU HAVE BACKUPS of your mongodb data
[01:19] <isthisreallife> E: Invalid operation mongodb-10gen
[01:20] <daftykins> sudo apt-get remove --purge ...
[01:20] <isthisreallife> i dont have any mongodb data
[01:20] <treehug88> daftykins: yes, thanks for that correction
[01:20] <treehug88> isthisreallife: sudo apt-get remove --purge  mongodb-10gen robomongo
[01:20] <daftykins> my pleasure
[01:20] <isthisreallife> E: The package mongodb-10gen needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[01:21] <isthisreallife> still same error
[01:21] <treehug88> no, that's a different error isthisreallife
[01:21] <isthisreallife> oh
[01:21] <feesh> oh me
[01:21] <feesh> my
[01:22] <Guest30787> how do you change your name?
[01:22] <treehug88> isthisreallife: I'm sorry, I misread your original paste. I don't know how to resolve that issue
[01:22] <treehug88> perhaps try the #mongodb channel isthisreallife  ?
[01:23] <isthisreallife> yes ill try there:) thanks
[01:23] <treehug88> edition: can you restate what you're trying to change clearly in one sentence please?
[01:24] <edition> realtime priority (i think)?
[01:24] <edition> its for Jack
[01:24] <edition> but i no longer need it.
[01:24] <treehug88> google this "ubuntu disable realtime priority"
[01:28] <Froodle> I'm trying to find and possibly update my video card driver.  I opened "additional drivers" which shows two unactivated drivers and one activated but unused driver.  Nothing else.  I'm doing this in order to troubleshoot YouTube screen tearing.  Using 12.04 (until 14.04.1 comes out).  Can anyone tell me where to find/fix/upgrade the drivers?
[01:29] <daftykins> Froodle: browser? flash version? tried HTML5 instead?
[01:29] <daftykins> you're also going to want to give us a small clue... what graphics hardware you're using.
[01:31] <Froodle> daftykins, Firefox 30, Flash 11.2.202.378.  I don't know how to set to HTML5.  Radeon 5830.
[01:35] <isthisreallife> daftykins, perhaps you can help me?
[01:35] <Blue1> is there away to make the print screen button work in ubuntu 14.04?
[01:36] <axiom> question, i have an desktop computer that I don't use and would like to turn it into a server for backing up my labtop. I'm mainly doing this for experimenting and learning. I would like to use linux for the os for I'm trying to part ways with Windows. What all area's do I need to research besides backups to be able to do this?
[01:36] <treehug88> yes... depending on what you want to make it do, Blue1
[01:36] <treehug88> axiom: backup software
[01:37] <treehug88> or samba, to make your desktop do file sharing for your laptop to back up onto
[01:37] <treehug88> (or, both)
[01:37] <axiom> treehug88, I was looking into bacula for the backup software
[01:38] <treehug88> axiom I've never used that myself
[01:38] <Blue1> treehug88: I just want it to call up the print screen image like it used to do.
[01:38] <treehug88> Blue1: google "print screen ubuntu"
[01:38] <stonner> richard stalman said ubuntu has spyware, is it true?
[01:39] <treehug88> I suspect he's talking about something that sends ubuntu information about what packages you use
[01:39] <Blue1> treehug88: I have been looking at that for about 30 minutes which is why I asked.
[01:39] <axiom> I'm going to be moving here soon in acouple of month's and looking to starting a rackmount setup eventually for vm's and what not. I just want to get my foot in the door with learning the server side of things.
[01:40] <stonner> treehug88, so, it's true!?
[01:40] <treehug88> stonner: don't know, google "ubuntu spyware stallman"
[01:40] <pl1x> i can install ubuntu on a MBP, right? would you replace osx with ubuntu?
[01:40] <stonner> treehug88, ok
[01:40] <treehug88> pl1x: i would not, osx is far more polished -- but that's my opinion
[01:40] <treehug88> but I think you _can_
[01:40] <nng> isnt ubuntu usually pretty good about asking if you want to send them usage info?
[01:41] <treehug88> nng: I was just guessing that was the issue, I don't know myself
[01:41] <hualet_deepin> stonner: i think stallman regards all software that can access to the internet spywares ;)
[01:41] <stonner> hualet_deepin, maybe :)
[01:41] <jsherm> quick question for anyone: I'm trying to add a cron on Ubuntu 14.04 to run screen and execute a program inside that screen with the @reboot value, but it doesn't do anything upon reboot, even though the shell script I'm linking it to in cron works fine when I execute it
[01:41] <hualet_deepin> pl1x: definately not
[01:42] <Guest32849> ?
[01:42] <pl1x> treehug88: well my main problem why i don't switch 100% to linux (had that on my windows machine too) that i need some dev tools that aren't available for it
[01:42] <treehug88> jsherm: screen needs a terminal to be connected to, I think - I don't think it'll work under cron
[01:42] <pl1x> e.g. unity3d
[01:42] <treehug88> plus, you want to cron a reboot? Just do that -- though it sounds weird
[01:43] <stonner> ubuntu should provide a installation way like osx, very easy
[01:43] <treehug88> stonner: it does
[01:43] <hualet_deepin> pl1x: i thought unity3d is available under linux
[01:43] <stonner> treehug88, how?
[01:43] <Blue1> treehug88: I am using xubuntu fwiw
[01:43] <treehug88> download the ISO of the install CD, then boot the machine you want to install to from that CD
[01:43] <stonner> treehug88, osx, mount, drag and drop
[01:44] <jsherm> treehug88 what would be the alternative then? Long story short I want the shell script to run upon reboot so it can restart a server that needs to run in a terminal
[01:44] <stonner> treehug88, more easy, impossible
[01:44] <treehug88> stonner: that's software install, not OK install
[01:44] <treehug88> s/OK/OS
[01:44] <pl1x> hualet_deepin: not the actual editor as far as i know
[01:44] <treehug88> jsherm: don't understand what you're saying
[01:44] <stonner> treehug88, i still preffer osx installation
[01:44] <treehug88> I think you're talking about init scripts though
[01:45] <treehug88> if you want to start a server software at boot time
[01:45] <pl1x> hualet_deepin: i tried it with playonlinux once but it's buggy
[01:45] <jsherm> I see
[01:45] <treehug88> stonner: 'prefer" is different than "easy"
[01:46] <hualet_deepin> pl1x: well...
[01:46] <treehug88> jsherm: I think you wat the UbuntuBootupHowto page
[01:46] <treehug88> (want)
[01:46] <stonner> treehug88, ubuntu software center si good, like apple store, but individual installation file i think apples way is better
[01:46] <treehug88> stonner: no doubt
[01:46] <treehug88> but you're comparing (cough) apples to ubuntus
[01:47] <jsherm> ^^ lol
[01:47] <treehug88> :)
[01:47] <jsherm> can't compare apt-get to \library\applications
[01:47] <treehug88> FORWARD SLASH
[01:47] <treehug88> not backslash :)
[01:47] <jsherm> whoops
[01:47] <stonner> treehug88, lol
[01:47] <pl1x> hualet_deepin: the thing is that i need unity for my full time job. someone at unity technologies should push along that they have to do a linux editor
[01:48] <treehug88> plus it's just /Applications
[01:48] <treehug88> in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king!
[01:49] <stonner> treehug88, and we can create a Applications directory on user /Users/username directory
[01:50] <treehug88> stonner: it's already there
[01:50] <stonner> treehug88, its on /Applications
[01:50] <treehug88> no, both are already there
[01:50] <stonner> treehug88, different of /Users/username/Applications
[01:50] <treehug88> yes
[01:50] <hualet_deepin> pl1x: maybe someday ;P
[01:51] <stonner> treehug88, good, if you intend to make sandbox
[01:51] <stonner> treehug88, perfect
[01:51] <stonner> treehug88, :)
[01:51] <treehug88> sigh... it's a LONG WAY from a sandbox
[01:51] <backslash> :-)
[01:52] <stonner> treehug88, root directory / is less safe to do a sandbox
[01:52] <jsherm> treehug88 on a sidenote trying to run the bash script from inside /etc/rc.local also does not work. Is this the same issue that screen wouldn't work there?
[01:52] <stonner> treehug88, confine a program
[01:53] <treehug88> jsherm: no, different reason. Running a bash script there should work; you'll need to make sure it's executable via chmod
[01:53] <jsherm> +ux right?
[01:53] <treehug88> chmod +x filename.sh
[01:53] <jsherm> thanks
[01:53] <treehug88> I AM THE ONE EYED MAN :)
[01:54] <treehug88> yw
[01:54] <stonner> treehug88, so you are a pirate
[01:54] <stonner> treehug88, lol
[01:54] <treehug88> arrrrr
[01:54] <LostNva> I have a quick script question if anyone can help please
[01:55] <treehug88> LostNva: ask your question clearly so we can answer clearly
[01:55] <jsherm> treehug88 Just made the shell script executable. added "bash /path/to/script.sh" in rc.local and.... nothing. Any advice?
[01:55] <LostNva> not a script problem really, but how do you do keyboard commands in console, whats the command method
[01:56] <treehug88> EQUESTIONNOTUNDERSTOOD
[01:56] <treehug88> :]
 + <alt> if I wanted to command that from console
[01:56] <juliadazoo>  /server irc.rizon.net
[01:57] <Argo_Berserk> good night, sorry I could give any assistance (in Spanish)
[01:57] <Argo_Berserk> translated with google
[01:57] <LostNva> i'm trying to make a scripts for compiz-fusion, to demo during a video
[01:59] <treehug88> LostNva: I don't know how youd' script the console to act as if you'd typed CNTRL-ALT
[01:59] <treehug88> what are you trying to accomplish via that key sequence, LostNva ?
[02:00] <LostNva> while making a video of compiz, I want a script to demo things it does, so I only talk
[02:00] <LostNva> its all keyboard commands
[02:01] <daftykins> you do realise you can just do this by video editing instead?
[02:01] <treehug88> google "cntrl-alt compiz", or what daftykins said
[02:01] <daftykins> trying to do it the way you intend is just adding unnecessary complication
[02:01] <LostNva> yeah, i just want to learn basics of scripts, I only made small ones so far
[02:01] <daftykins> that's fine, but have sane tasks to do so with
[02:02] <treehug88> LostNva: that sounds hard to script that way, perhaps there's an actual supportd command-line way to do what you want
[02:02] <LostNva> yeah it doesnt sound easy for a beginner at scripts for sure
[02:02] <treehug88> I'd ask in a compiz room LostNva
[02:03] <LostNva> ok ty, I just get a thought, and usually work on it for months lol
[02:04] <treehug88> LostNva: I admire that
[02:04] <treehug88> though, I suggest work a day or two, THEN ask around
[02:04] <LostNva> cool ok
[02:04] <treehug88> doing exactly what you ask sounds nigh impossible
[02:05] <daftykins> or just do it the sane way, write a list of things, do the things in the video, then create an audio track timed to the video.
[02:05] <treehug88> perhaps there's some command-line tool that will accomplish the same effect
[02:05] <treehug88> daftykins has good ideas too
[02:06] <LostNva> yeah I made a list, its just awkward looking at a cheat sheat of commands i dont remember yet
[02:07] <kmitchell> hey i'm on 14.04 and having dependency problems with panda3d. "libavcodec53 and libavcodec-extra-53... I seem to have 54...
[02:08] <cornell> Hi, a little help with bash scripting, please.  I've set a variable to the result of whoami.  I want to test if the result ends with a certain string, and if so do one thing, otherwise another.  How can I do: if [ $username = "wildcardedString"]
[02:08] <daftykins> i believe there's a BASH channel.
[02:08] <cornell> I know, but I was here, and usually there's a bunch of helpful knowledgable folks., daftykins
[02:10] <treehug88> I'm not a bash person, but I think a single = is assignment
[02:10] <treehug88> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[02:11] <treehug88> read this cornell : http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html
[02:14] <syntroPi> cornell how about something like          [[ "blubb-blah" =~ ^.*blah$ ]] && echo yea || echo nay
[02:14] <syntroPi> in bash
[02:14] <treehug88> you want to use regex in bash?
[02:14] <treehug88> hahahah
[02:14] <treehug88> ok look at grep
[02:14] <syntroPi> why?
[02:14] <treehug88> the command. I don't think bash will do regexes (though I don't know)
[02:14] <syntroPi> try it out
[02:15] <treehug88> you try it out ! :)
[02:15] <syntroPi> very helpfull
[02:16] <treehug88> syntroPi: I learn something every day
[02:17] <treehug88> syntroPi: apologies, I confused you with cornell
[02:27] <roadtrip>  I am having printer problem. nothing is printing but i got this message.
[02:27] <roadtrip> Idle - Rendering completed
[02:27] <someNewbie> I have just deleted my windows partition and resized my ubuntu partition to take the extra space. I now have /dev/sda4 an extended partition containing /dev/sda5 swap and /dev/sda6 the ext4 root partition.  I understand that I need to reinstall the MBR after this so I have chrooted into the install via a live CD and run 'grub-install --recheck /dev/sda'. I reboot annnnnnd "no operation system found" anyone
[02:27] <someNewbie> got any clues? The bios settings should be fine as everything worked before the resizing.
[02:28] <roadtrip> What would that mean? "Idle - Rendering completed"
[02:29] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: EFI or MBR for the booting method ? Makes a difference.
[02:30] <someNewbie> Uhhh I never had to specify, Is there a default? Ill try and findout
[02:31] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: Nope no default, just the way the disk partitoning was done ( MBR = legacy ) .. to see, try terminal command -> sudo fdisk -lu <- see what results.
[02:35] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: fdisk doesnt seem to tell me directly but isnt extended partitions specific to MBR
[02:35] <rom> kontrul
[02:38] <rom> sudo apt  get intall
[02:38] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: That 'extended' is correct to be the legacy partitioning // 'fdisk' also to tell ya that the partitons are in place, and no errors. Then I have in mind an alternate command to try and re-install grub.
[02:40] <rom> main void  () chat()
[02:40] <gas-sho> in 14.04 i keep hearing this sound that makes itself heard at random
[02:40] <gas-sho> like a piano
[02:41] <rom> retur  ()
[02:43] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: So I figured out that you probably meant gdisk instead fdisk because gdisk tells me that it is MBR only
[02:43] <No_one_at_all> Hi, I have an issue with a "custom" hardware set-up. I've got an old NTFS-formatted IDE hard drive, and an old USB optical drive enclosure which has an IDE interface. It apparently does not have LBA support. When I connect it in either Windows or OS X, it works fine (the first 127 GB of it are readable and writeable). However, Ubuntu refuses to mount it. Any ideas?
[02:44] <rom> {
[02:44] <Jzz> Hi. I have a ssh session into my Ubuntu 14.04 machine from home. Anyway to change Unity to Gnome from command line?
[02:45] <rom> usb virus  escantf
[02:48] <Ten-Eight> is it possible to install libSDL2 on 10.04 LTS and it work?
[02:49] <someNewbie> Bashing-Om: gdisk also says "found invalid GPT and valid MBR; converting MBR to GPT format in memory" which seems important
[02:50] <rom> sudu  apt  get  cd  intall
[02:55] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: IF you are satisfied that the partitioning is good try from the liveDVD : -> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt , sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt /dev/sda , sudo umount /mnt . Reboot into the install and run -> sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda , sudo update-grub .// This installs grub to the MBR of drive sda.
[02:57] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: Seen your last after my last posting // yeah, seems there is a problem. Pastebin the outputs of -> sudo parted -l, sudo fdisk -lu , sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda <- .
[02:59] <No_one_at_all> Hi, I have an issue with a "custom" hardware set-up. I've got an old NTFS-formatted IDE hard drive, and an old USB optical drive enclosure which has an IDE interface. It apparently does not have LBA support. When I connect it in either Windows or OS X, it works fine (the first 127 GB of it are readable and writeable). However, Ubuntu refuses to mount it. Any ideas?
[02:59] <stonner> anyone knows RENDESVOUS service?
[02:59] <No_one_at_all> (sorry to repost my question so soon, but it looked like it got lost in the massive netsplit)
[03:00] <edition> how can i find which program is using  /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio2?
[03:01] <No_one_at_all> sudo lsof | grep freedesktop ?
[03:01] <No_one_at_all> :D I dunno if that will work at all, but you could give it a try.
[03:01] <No_one_at_all> wait, no, that will only tell you that it is open, won't it.
[03:02] <No_one_at_all> oh, yeah, that should give you its process name.
[03:02] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: Ok, give me a sec.
[03:09] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: pastebin.com/TNAN2Tgr Thanks.
[03:10] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: Looking at your TNAN2Tgr.
[03:13] <Cog> Hello... anyone available to help a new user?
[03:13] <edition> suer
[03:13] <edition> sure
[03:14] <kbw> time4netsplit
[03:15] <Cog> I just installed 14.04 LTS.  I set my password during install, using the method I normally use for passwords (unique salt and personal info I have memorized) and now when I tried to log in to my user account on first bootup, it's saying wrong password
[03:15] <Cog> anything I can do short of a full 3 hour reinstall?
[03:15] <Rustic> Cog: the password is netsplit
[03:15] <Cog> Rustic... not sure what you mean.
[03:15] <Rustic> Cog: it was a joke sorry
[03:15] <Cog> I guessed, but was unsure.
[03:16] <Cog> Brand new Windows dual-booter her.
[03:16] <Cog> here
[03:17] <someNewbie> there are definitely ways, so dont bother reinstalling.
[03:17] <Cog> I partitioned my drive to /, /home, a small fat32 /windows and a swap partition... I'm just wondering if there's any way I can avoid redownloading all updates during a long install.
[03:17] <Cog> I'm logged in as a guest right now.
[03:18] <Cog> someNewbie, do you have advice, or edition?
[03:18] <edition> i wiped by disk.
[03:18] <edition> got rid of windows 7 :)
[03:19] <Cog> I also couldn't install an IRC client, because I'm not root, and when I tried to reach #ubuntu normally, it said it couldn't reach mibbet on the web or something.
[03:19] <Cog> So I had to find a web IRC client.
[03:19] <someNewbie> theres something called 'chroot' which you can use from the live cd to 'become' the ubuntu installed on the HDD.
[03:19] <Cog> okay, so boot from the disk, use chroot, and change the password?
[03:19] <someNewbie> from there you can use the passwd command to change anyones password
[03:19] <someNewbie> yup
[03:20] <Cog> I see.  If I were to encrypt my home directory, presumably that wouldn't work... but I didn't.
[03:20] <Cog> Nothing top secret on this machine.
[03:20] <someNewbie> yeah it probably wouldnt work
[03:20] <Cog> Okay.  Presumably if I have trouble, I can come back here from the live boot.  Thanks
[03:21] <rom> { main  (void)  sprinf
[03:21] <Olimpiata> l
[03:22] <rom> usb torret
[03:23] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: There is also this "Partition table holds up to 128 entries" which is I think - reading the GPT partition table. What does 'fdisk' have to say ?
[03:24] <someNewbie> fdisk was included in the pastebin
[03:29] <rom> {{{{{   main randon
[03:29] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: I have looked 4 times, I do not see what I recognize as an 'gdisk' output. (??) .. Hey I can still be out in left field.
[03:29] <UBuxuBU> Input/output error during read on/dev/sda                   says this while trying to boot and install???
[03:30] <meatshank187> whats going on ?
[03:30] <UBuxuBU>  Input/output error during read on/dev/sda
[03:30] <No_one_at_all> srsly wtf is wrong with this rom dude
[03:31] <No_one_at_all> is he trying to flood, but getting throttled by his client?
[03:31] <meatshank187> dont know haha
[03:31] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: o.0 Your right sorry about that, let me grab that for you.
[03:31] <sydney> ubwhat kind of error is it? what does it say?ect...
[03:31] <sydney> UBuxuBU: what kind of error is it? what does it say?ect..
[03:32] <rom> {{{{{{ %d %f
[03:32] <No_one_at_all> somebody set rom +q, for god's sake
[03:33] <rom> sprinft %f > %d
[03:36] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: pastebin.com/UQ3A9Dbi
[03:37] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: looki'n at your pastebin.com/UQ3A9Dbi
[03:47] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: TBH if it were me, I would RE-partition the disk.. of no value to have that extended partition expanded to the entire hard drive, and the old GPT partitioning does bother me. However, that is not to say will not work as is. 'fdisk' seems happy and no errors are reported from fdisk. We can try and install grub to the MBR of sda and see what results.
[03:47] <someNewbie> ok yeah I would like to try.
[03:48] <someNewbie> Its using an SSD and im cautious of needlessly rewriting large amounts of data
[03:48] <kbw> I hated the fear and the precations I made when I had an SSD
[03:48] <kbw> Either way it only lasted a couple months
[03:49] <kbw> I loved it though, and i want to go back with something not cheap
[03:49] <Guest86444> Error mounting /dev/sda2 at /media/cesar/Dados: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sda2" "/media/cesar/Dados"' exited with non-zero exit status 12: Failed to read last sector (1953517567): Invalid argument
[03:49] <Guest86444> HINTS: Either the volume is a RAID/LDM but it wasn't setup yet,
[03:49] <Guest86444>    or it was not setup correctly (e.g. by not using mdadm --build ...),
[03:49] <Guest86444>    or a wrong device is tried to be mounted,
[03:49] <Guest86444>    or the partition table is corrupt (partition is smaller than NTFS),
[03:49] <Guest86444>    or the NTFS boot sector is corrupt (NTFS size is not valid).
[03:49] <unopaste> Guest86444 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:51] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: OK, from the liveDVD: -> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt , sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt /dev/sda , sudo umount /mnt <- . Reboot into the install -> sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda , sudo update-grub <-. Let's see what happens.
[03:55] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: SSD device the advisements I have seen is get 'swap' off the SSD .. sure more prompting to RE-partition adding an additional hard drive to the system.
[03:56] <someNewbie> Its a laptop so sadly I cant do that, I have however disabled Hibernate and my ram usage is allways about 400MB out of 4GM so not too much of an issue.
[03:57] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: I ran the first two commands and it says Installation finished. No error reported.
[03:58] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: rebooting now
[04:00] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: ok I reboot and the bios says Operation System not found
[04:04] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: UnGood ..OK .. The system came with Windows, there is a SSD drrive installed ->> are we talking UEFI here ? such that MBR booting is not an option ? ( some laps tops I have observed do not have that option) .
[04:05] <someNewbie> There were no options in the bios related to booting
[04:06] <someNewbie> Its the Dell XPS 13 if that helps.
[04:06] <cfhowlett> Bashing-om it's its win8 = uefi
[04:06] <someNewbie> It had win7 before
[04:06] <someNewbie> If it was UEFI I wouldnt be able to boot from USB right?
[04:07] <cfhowlett> !uefi|someNewbie not true.  it would just take a bit of tinkering
[04:08] <Bashing-om> cfhowlett: someNewbie :: Thanks heaps ! UEFI = GPT = EFI = no workie with MBR booting, so far as I know.
[04:09] <cfhowlett> Bashing-om happy2help
[04:09] <rubbertoe> Hello, I am running Xubuntu on an ancient laptop. I installed pipelight, and it works on firefox, however it does nothing in chrome. I need to use it in chrome for some plugins. Thanks in advance for any advice
[04:09] <someNewbie> Ahhh ok thankyou very much :D I'll start working on that.
[04:12] <function9> someNewbie: good luck with :)
[04:13] <rom> sofwares ubuntu serve   intall
[04:17] <_1_wedemboyz> hey
[04:19] <White_Light> is rhythmbox still developed?
[04:19] <White_Light> it chokes on my mid sized music collection
[04:19] <White_Light> and gapless playback doesn't work properly
[04:19] <White_Light> on 14.04
[04:20] <cfhowlett> !info rhythmbox
[04:20] <White_Light> it can't even display the quality of lossless tracks
[04:20] <White_Light> it just says ??? instead of the bitrate
[04:22] <White_Light> also the default hotkeys just plain do not work
[04:26] <LonelyDanbo> I tried to create a symbolic link to a folder, and there were spaces in the folder I was linking to so it didn't work right, and now I can't change/delete it. sudo rm [folder link name] doesn't work. "rm: cannot remove 'installed': Is a directory"
[04:27] <LonelyDanbo> unlink: cannot unlink 'installed': Is a directory
[04:28] <LonelyDanbo> ah. it must have made links within the folder and then I couldn't delete it because it wasn't empty.
[04:30] <someNewbie> Bashing-om: Sooooo turns out my computer doesnt support EFI after all. the /sys/firmware/efi file does not exist and there are no settings in the bios for it.
[04:31] <LonelyDanbo> uhg. I don't get it. It's empty and I still can't delete it.
[04:31] <LonelyDanbo> why is it making a link inside a folder instead of making the folder the link? I don't want to go through two folders, just one.
[04:32] <LonelyDanbo> whatever. managed to make it. I'll just leave that glitchy failure to sit there forever.
[04:33] <^cheeky> hello, i just installed wine using apt-get command, then i followed this link which says sc2 will require these dependencies so i executed this command winetricks droid fontfix fontsmooth-rgb gdiplus gecko vcrun2008 vcrun2005 allfonts d3dx11_43 win7 ie6 , i do get a connection time out to certain ftp connection : /could some give me some insight pls
[04:33] <^cheeky> this is the error i get http://pastie.org/9391496
[04:33] <^cheeky> its on the 11 try now
[04:34] <LonelyDanbo> you try #winehq ? They're not as active but more on the mark for your problem.
[04:34] <^cheeky> LonelyDanbo: i will thank you
[04:35] <LonelyDanbo> might also try winehq's website if you aren't already.
[04:37] <LonelyDanbo> ^cheeky: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20882
[04:40] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: I am at a loss as to what to do, as you have moved partitions I am verry reluctant to spare off the super block. What might be done - very involved - is to do a Full CHange Root into the install from that liveDVD and purg/reinstall grub. But I am about done in for this session. Will ask ya to wait till my morrow.
[04:41] <someNewbie> ok, thanks for your time, one last question, the live usb is using version 13.10 and the install is using version 14.04 could this be an issue?
[04:43] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: Yeah, it could be ! // 13.10 I believe runs version 1.99 of grub and 14.04 runs 2.0. There have been changes in grub in 14.04.
[04:43] <someNewbie> ok
[04:45] <rom> draiver   broadcom  no  intall
[04:45] <Bashing-om> someNewbie: Would not take much to burn a copy of 14.04 and try the install routine once more and see if there is a difference.
[04:48] <rom> red broadcom  wifi  intall   paquete  no   soportado  ubuntu
[04:51] <edition> pardon, no hablo espanol
[04:51] <friendlyfascism> rom, Can you clearly state the issue in english?
[04:58] <rom> yo poco  ingles
[05:01] <edition> can i practise my spanish?
[05:01] <edition> rom?
[05:01] <lxh112210> 这个是一个中文ubuntu IRC吗
[05:03] <rom> com explicaciones  de  fuente  interpreto javascript
[05:05] <edition> la javascript. si...
[05:05] <edition> ah, fuente means source
[05:06] <edition> la css?
[05:07] <mandeep> Please Help, I am getting a problem. When I press the power button to start the laptop (hp 15 r015tu), I can't see anything for 20 seconds. Even Boot screen is not shown. Nothing appears for 20 seconds. After 20 seconds, the bootup starts. Then there is "Esc for pause startup" shown after 20 sec. Please help.
[05:08] <RahulAN> 123
[05:08] <friendlyfascism> mandeeptry shift
[05:09] <mandeep> friendlyfascism: No button works, before that.
[05:09] <mandeep> :(
[05:10] <mandeep> I'd recently called Hp support center, and they advised me to talk to ubuntu.
[05:10] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, The only pause would e if you saw grub and stopped it shift would show grub if you only have ubuntu installed, start tapping it as soon as you power on.
[05:11] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, nothing shows up for 20 seconds, even grub doesn't show. After 20 sec. grub shows for 10 seconds.
[05:11] <rom> (:
[05:12] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, this a dual boot? If so with what exactly?
[05:12] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, yes ubuntu 14.04 with windows 8.
[05:13] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, So a uefi, When did this start?
[05:13] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, after dual boot.
[05:13] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, Do you mean after the ubuntu install?
[05:14] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, yes.
[05:14]  * edition doesn't like fascism
[05:14]  * edition thinks its horrible
[05:14] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, First boot after.
[05:15] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, yes.
[05:15] <friendlyfascism> !ot | edition
[05:15] <edition> sorry
[05:15] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, Was windows completely shut down when you installed ubuntu?
[05:16] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, yes I think.
[05:16] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, Hard to say, not many here are up on uefi issues, I would use the ubuntu forums as well.
[05:17] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, what should I do now? can you please suggest some way
[05:17] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, It would be a guess if I did.
[05:18] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, It may be helpful.
[05:19] <friendlyfascism> mandeep, I gave you an option, and stated the channels knowledge in this area, that is your best help from me.
[05:21] <edition> is there a command to reset jack completely, to a clean reinstall? :D
[05:22] <edition> apt-get purge/remove doesn't seem to get the job done.
[05:22] <tej911> you mean audio jack? does your audio stopped working in a dualbott system?
[05:22] <tej911> dualboot*
[05:23] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, thank you.
[05:23] <friendlyfascism> edition, before you make stupid comments on the channel try looking for some context of a nick. http://www.worldcat.org/title/friendly-fascism-the-new-face-of-power-in-america/oclc/6194562?page=citation
[05:24] <edition> ah. i agree with your point. sorry for the stupid comments :)
[05:24] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, it means I have to contact ubuntu forums?
[05:25] <tej911> Not every person is a pro like you bro @friendly -_-
[05:25] <friendlyfascism> tej911, and your even dumber lol.
[05:26] <mandeep> friendlyfascism, should I contact Ubuntu forums now?
[05:27] <edition> cant figure out why freedesktop is locking the audio, and not letting Jack use it
[05:27] <mandeep> ping : friendlyfascism
[05:28] <tej911> edition i a;ready asked you a question whether you are in dual boot?
[05:28] <edition> no.
[05:28] <edition> heck no.
[05:28] <edition> I left windows many weeks ago.
[05:29] <tej911> ok you are using only ubuntu?
[05:29] <edition> xubuntu, why?
[05:30] <edition> you use jack?
[05:30] <edition> the audio toolkit
[05:30] <saiteja_> I had similiar problem during using dualboot. rectified with a tweak now. Do you want try that?
[05:31] <saiteja_> yea i use audio jack for my headset. I dont know about toolkit
[05:32] <Abhijit> how can i disable dhcp and only enable static network in preseed for ubuntu?
[05:33] <saiteja_> This issue may be a problem in pulseaudio. I managed to get it to work as expected by replacing the line
[05:33] <saiteja_> load-module module-device-restore
[05:33] <saiteja_> in /etc/pulse/default.pa with#load-module module-device-restore
[05:34] <tej911> If the solution of saiteja didnt worked,  try this
[05:34] <edition> never heard it before! ill give it a go :)
[05:34] <edition> should I logout?
[05:34] <tej911> in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils: # mute_and_zero_levels "$TARGET_CARD" || EXITSTATUS=1
[05:36] <edition> ah, try pasteall
[05:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> what are the ubottu's using as a backend? Supybot?
[05:39] <Abhijit> can i automate ubuntu installs from centos server?
[05:39] <Abhijit> or does it needs ubuntu server only?
[05:39] <Abhijit> Aki-Thinkpad, #ubuntu-bot
[05:39] <Aki-Thinkpad> thanks
[05:40] <edition> jeesh, please NOBODY pm please. Its really annoying.
[05:40] <john38> Can somebody help me with some hardware help??
[05:40] <cfhowlett> !ask|john38
[05:41] <tej911> @edition seriously bro? I thought i m helping you. Good luck with attitude
[05:41] <edition> sorry.
[05:41] <edition> i just don't like PM.
[05:42] <edition> i don't mind online paste :)
[05:42] <cfhowlett> !pm
[05:42] <john38> i'm thinking of getting a EVGA geforce gtx 780 card, intel core-i7 and 32gb ram how much power would i need for PSU????
[05:42] <edition> thankyou
[05:42] <cfhowlett> john38 ??? custom build?
[05:42] <john38> cfhowlett, yes
[05:43] <john38> cfhowlett, intel core-i7 6 core
[05:43] <cfhowlett> john38 there's undoubtedly a channel/forum for such calculations.  sadly, this ain't it.  try #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:43] <john38> ok
[05:43] <tej911> min 650W, just for space for overclock  i would recommend 1000W @john38
[05:43] <john38> tej911, thanks
[05:45] <elinux1_> Hi ubuntu..
[05:46] <elinux1_> Gd Mrg to all..
[05:47] <tej911> Can we also ask questions regarding Ubuntu based builds like Pinguy, Zorin, LinuxMint etc?
[05:47] <elinux1_> I have one doubt on the ubuntu..
[05:47] <elinux1_> how to print tamil fonts in linux
[05:52] <fwaokda> i found a command I'm wanting to run to check cpu temp, but not sure what i need to install. the command is, "vcgencmd measure_temp"... anyone know of the package i'd need for this?
[05:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> vcgencmd?
[05:54] <fwaokda> yea i've used it on my raspberrypi, but now I'm on ubuntu guest through vbox. perhaps it's not a package but something on the pi? idk
[05:56] <meganerd> on my Haswewll nook I needed lm-sensors to run the sensors program to get at the CPU temps
[05:56] <meganerd> that should be Haswell NUC
[05:56] <geirha> fwaokda: ''dpkg -S "$(type -P vcgencmd)"''  ->  ''libraspberrypi-bin: /usr/bin/vcgencmd''
[05:56] <Loshki> geirha: wow!
[05:59] <fwaokda> idk what that even means x-/
[06:01] <Ali_M_Ahmed> quick question guys... how i can see my ip address from gnome terminal
[06:01] <Ali_M_Ahmed> quick question guys... how i can see my ip address from gnome terminal ?
[06:01] <meganerd> ip addr
[06:02] <Loshki> Ali_M_Ahmed: try /sbin/ifconfig
[06:02] <Ali_M_Ahmed> meganerd, Thanks so much it did work :D
[06:03] <meganerd> ifconfig is just a wrapper around ip addr
[06:03] <meganerd> if you are starting out you may as well do it right :)
[06:03] <Loshki> meganerd: cool...
[06:04] <meganerd> ifconfig is very old school and was initially deprecated more than a decade ago in Linux.
[06:04] <Ali_M_Ahmed> Thanks dear @Loshki, the first command did work perfectly :D
[06:04] <meganerd> ifconfig will also work, but you really want to get familiar with the ip command
[06:05] <meganerd> lartc.org
[06:05] <Loshki> meganerd: bingo. I'm old-school...
[06:05] <meganerd> so am I
[06:05] <geirha> fwaokda: It means it is raspberrypi specific, so it's probably not available for ubuntu
[06:05] <Abhijit> elinux1_, install ttf-indic-fonts package and then restart libreoffice
[06:06] <Abhijit> elinux1_, for country specific help tyr #ubuntu-in or ##linux-india next time
[06:06] <Abhijit> try
[06:06] <Loshki> meganerd: that howto at lartc.org will take me while to get through...
[06:06] <Abhijit> tej911, no
[06:06] <meganerd> Loshki: I have not done everything in that guide and I first came across it almost a decade ago
[06:06] <luminous> hello! is there a way to list the PPA repos a host has added with add-apt-repository?
[06:07] <meganerd> Loshki: it is a great place to start if you are doing something related to networking
[06:08] <Loshki> meganerd: looks like fun, but far more than I need. And I have other fish to fry...
[06:09] <meganerd> Loshki: absolutely, just keep it bookmarked for when you do need it :)
[06:09] <Loshki> meganerd: perfect, thanks!
[06:09] <meganerd> Loshki: the trafffic control section is very handy, even on a home network
[06:09] <luminous> meganerd: could you repaste that, out of curiosity :)
[06:10] <meganerd> http://lartc.org
[06:10] <luminous> thanks@
[06:10] <electroglue> can someone tell me where I can find parport.o?
[06:11] <electroglue> Do I have to rebuild the whole kernel for it?
[06:11] <Loshki> luminous: Also, a reminder that this channel is archived if you miss something: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <luminous> Loshki: that ought to be noted in topic
[06:13] <luminous> but maybe I did not look close enough at irc info
[06:13] <luminous> either way, thanks for pointing out
[06:13] <luminous> anyone familiar enough with add-apt-repository to know if you can list the ppa?
[06:13] <luminous> manpage hasn't been helpful there
[06:13] <meganerd> I wrote a script to do that
[06:13] <luminous> maybe I should be looking in /etc/apt somewhere?
[06:14] <Loshki> luminous: I must've read it in one of the docs. I don't think it's a secret. But I agree, it should be in the topic
[06:14] <luminous> ikonia: maybe link to irc logs could be added to /topic ?
[06:14] <martin1969> hello. i need some help. whenever i boot my computer, i'm getting An error occurred while mounting /media/Datas. Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery.
[06:14] <meganerd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7797022/
[06:14] <luminous> meganerd: thanks!
[06:14] <martin1969> if i press S, it would boot up normally.
[06:15] <meganerd> luminous: NP
[06:15] <meganerd> erm np
[06:15] <Loshki> luminous: if you're talking about repos you've added, they're all under /etc/apt. It's a mixture of file & directories so look carefully...
[06:16] <Abhijit> ubuntu is not following the networking settings in preseed file. help
[06:17] <h8> Abhijit: disconnect your interfaces and reconnect them
[06:17] <Abhijit> h8, please check the details of issue here http://askubuntu.com/questions/497609/ubuntu-do-not-follow-preseed-file-for-network-settings
[06:18] <h8> I have no knowledge of Cobbler
[06:18] <meganerd> good night all
[06:18] <Loshki> In fact, why is /etc/apt such a (messy) mixture of files & directories?
[06:18] <Loshki> night meganerd
[06:20] <Abhijit> h8, sorry for my english. but the issue is with ubuntu + preseed. not with cobbler. kindly read properly.
[06:21] <Abhijit> i mentioned cobbler just to explain the scenario. i never said its cobbler issue.
[06:21] <h8> Abhijit: and even then, never heard of preseed, so, I can not help you. I'm sorry.
[06:22] <Abhijit> yeah. this is okey.
[06:22] <elinux1_> Hi any one please help me.how to write type tamil in ubuntu..
[06:23] <Abhijit> elinux1_, can you read me?
[06:25] <bipul> Ok I have a question. I have changed the password of a normal user in my ubuntu 13.04 But I am unable to get a GUI mode login access. Need a help
[06:25] <ikonia> luminous: pardon ?
[06:26] <Abhijit> bipul, restart os?
[06:27] <bipul> Abhijit, Good morning. Yes i did  that, Between  i have changed it from a grub mode.
[06:27] <Abhijit> bipul, changed what from grub mode?
[06:27] <bipul> Sorry it's a recovery mode.
[06:28] <Abhijit> bipul, so what does login manager says?
[06:28] <bipul> Password was changed successfully. But i am not able to get access a GUI Mode.
[06:29] <Abhijit> bipul, you type username is gui login manage. then you type password in gui login manager. then you press enter. what does happne now? what does login manager says now? what error message you get now?
[06:29] <bipul> When ever i am login , my screen is blinking and it again through me out at the login screen.
[06:29] <Abhijit> that was quick.
[06:29] <Abhijit> elinux1_, are you a bot?
[06:31] <elichai2> 09:29 < elichai2> hey
[06:31] <elichai2> 09:29 < elichai2> i'm trying to get my volume up, and i still hear it very very low
[06:31] <elichai2> 09:29 < elichai2> Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31  Mono: Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
[06:31] <elichai2> 09:29 < elichai2> any idea?
[06:31] <catNode> I'm having an issue with my Thinkpad X220 running Ubuntu 14.04LTS. Something is constantly triggering the same command that would prompt a reboot or shutdown if you pressed the power button. It isn't due to a keyboard fault as I just replaced the keyboard with a new one. I remember there being something I could run i terminal that detects when that command is triggered, whether I have pressed the power button or not... would anybody know what that
[06:31] <catNode>  terminal application is?
[06:32] <ikonia> catNode: you're getting a popup on screen asking if you want to shutdown/reboot
[06:32] <ikonia> catNode: is that what's happening /
[06:33] <catNode> yes, randomly. i try to quickly escape out of it, but after a while it will beat me and just shut down the computer itself. it's the same behaviour as if i were to press and hold down the power button on the laptop
[06:34] <catNode> i just remembered it was acpi_listen - i'm going to fire that up and see what's happening
[06:34] <ikonia> catNode: if you press and hold the powerbutton on a laptop it will just shutdown, no popup or anything
[06:35] <Abhijit> do we have channel for preseed?
[06:35] <catNode> ikonia - oh. maybe i'm wrong. i definitely do get random shutdown/reboot prompts though, every few minutes, usually the second or third one will turn off the computer suddenly even after I've escaped out of it.
[06:36] <catNode> I'm running acpi_listen now so I'm just waiting for it to trigger again
[06:36] <ikonia> catNode: that sounds most odd, you're sure there are no updates pending ?
[06:36] <catNode> ikonia - all up to date.
[06:36] <Abhijit> catNode, may be the powerbottom is mulfunctioning such that its automatically getting pressed? due to bad spring / bad button lock?
[06:37] <Abhijit> button
[06:37] <ikonia> Abhijit: then it wouldn't be random
[06:37] <ikonia> it would be consistant
[06:37] <catNode> Abhijit - that was my initial thought, but I've replaced the keyboard with a new one, which has the power button on it
[06:37] <Abhijit> it can be. happen with my old keyboard. ikonia
[06:37] <catNode> so it's not that
[06:37] <ikonia> Abhijit: oh, so your power button did this too ?
[06:37] <Abhijit> catNode, i thought the powerbutton is on computer and not on keyboard.
[06:37] <Abhijit> ikonia, never.
[06:38] <ikonia> Abhijit: right, so again, "it wouldn't happan that way"
[06:38] <catNode> Abhijit - on the X220, it's apart of the keyboard. which i have replaced.
[06:38] <Abhijit> :-)
[06:41] <TJ-> catNode: "I've just replaced the keyboard" - if that coincides with this issue beginning, I'd suspect the fitting, placement, or integrity of the new part... check for trapped or partially damaged ribbon cables (especially where they fold)
[06:41] <catNode> TJ- - it has been happening pre and post keyboard replacement
[06:41] <TJ-> catNode: Did you also replace the ribbon cable(s) ?
[06:41] <swws> hi dear
[06:42] <catNode> i *think* the ribbon cable is attached to the keyboard
[06:43] <TJ-> catNode: I've seen many, many, laptop/notebooks that had strange key issues because of breaks/shorts at the creases/folds of the ribbon cables, or where the cable isn't connected correctly at each end by the ribbon insert-and-clamp socket
[06:43] <TJ-> catNode: I'd be inspecting the folds with a magnifier now
[06:44] <velkin> ?
[06:44] <eruditas> Does anyone know how to solve an issue with laptop going to sleep when watching flash on chromium? Caffeine is not an option and lightson script doesn't work.
[06:45] <TJ-> catNode: According to several posts on the Lenovo forums this is a common issue for the X220 (search "random shutdown / power up" )
[06:45] <TJ-> catNode: Have you recently upgraded the BIOS ?
[06:45] <catNode> "button/power PWRF 00000080 00000001"
[06:45] <catNode> I'm pretty sure this is what's triggering the prompt
[06:46] <catNode> that pops up in acpi_listen when I get the prompt
[06:46] <TJ-> catNode: Correct, that's the ACPI message saying the key is pressed
[06:48] <catNode> TJ- i haven't updated the bios since I got this laptop
[06:49] <gshmu> waiting Ubuntu phone...
[06:51] <TJ-> catNode: The issue, from what I'm reading, sounds like a corrupted NVRAM for the BIOS, which can also be triggered by a BIOS update if the BIOS settings are reset to factory defaults. If possible, it is worth powering off completely (including removing the battery and holding the power button pressed for ~20 seconds to ensure all components are fully discharged), and then powering up into the BIOS setup and doing "Load factory defaults" or however it is described,
[06:51] <TJ->  reboot, and then re-apply customised settings if you have any
[06:51] <catNode> this won't break my Ubuntu install at all?
[06:53] <Abhijit> catNode, you can remove the harddisk while you setup bios?
[06:53] <TJ-> catNode: It won't touch the operating system. It may change the system hardware configuration depending on if you've applied custom settings. You can always go through all the BIOS setup options and record the settings before doing the Factory Reset.
[06:54] <TJ-> catNode: There is a known issue with static discharge and Thinkpads, one symptom of which can be corrupted NVRAM - and some settings saved in NVRAM cannot be changed via the BIOS Setup, so a Factory Reset is the only way to clear all settings back to known-good values
[06:55] <catNode> ok, trying to fireup the BIOS menu now. I pressed F1 on boot up, it gives me the Intel(R) Boot Agent GE
[06:55] <catNode> oh no. wait. got it now
[06:56] <catNode> "Load Setup Defaults"
[06:56] <TJ-> catNode: That'd be the one
[06:58] <catNode> alright. saving and exiting
[06:58] <catNode> Hmm. that's interesting.
[06:59] <TJ-> catNode: Unfortunately the web is littered with the same reports about the X220 in particular, with very few concrete solutions (aside from having the mainboard replaced)
[06:59] <catNode> now it won't boot into Ubuntu
[07:00] <TJ-> catNode: Check the (reset) boot order in the BIOS - if you've got, say, a USB thumb drive plugged in, the system may be trying to boot from USB instead of hard disk first
[07:01] <catNode> mm yeah I went to the boot menu to select the hard drive, but it just kept trying it, then failing, then asking me again
[07:01] <catNode> brb
[07:02] <TJ-> catNode: OK, check the hard disk controller (maybe titled SATA mode) setting. It may have options such as "IDE" "AHCI" ... you probably need that flipping, SATA usually use "AHCI" mode, although that shouldn't stop the boot loader being found
[07:04] <catNode> TJ- i can see SATA Controller Mode Option
[07:05] <catNode> which is currently at AHCI, and can be switched to compatibility
[07:06] <TJ-> catNode: OK, which would flip it to "IDE" mode ... worth a try, although I doubt that will affect the boot-loader. Am I correct in interpreting what you said, that you aren't even seeing the GRUB messages or boot menu, but the BIOS keeps looking for the boot device?
[07:06] <catNode> one moment
[07:07] <catNode> Here's what happens during boot-up.
[07:08] <catNode> Turn On. Diagnostics Menu. Intializing Boot Agent. Initializing and establishing link. Media test failure, check cable.
[07:08] <catNode> Then it takes me to a boot menu and asks me to choose between ATA HDD0: ST320LT007-9ZV142 or PC LAN: IBA GE Slot etc.
[07:08] <TJ-> catNode: OK "Intel Boot Agent" is the network boot device agent
[07:08] <catNode> I choose the HDD, assuming that's the correct one, nothing happens, then it asks me again.
[07:09] <TJ-> catNode: OK, right... is the X220 a UEFI system?
[07:09] <Guest22311> hi
[07:09] <catNode> i believe so. I saw UEFI in the bios menu
[07:09] <TJ-> catNode: If so, I'm guessing that the 'BIOS' - actually UEFI - setup has an option to enable "CSM" or Compatibility Support module", or "Legacy BIOS"
[07:10] <catNode> UEFI/Legacy Boot
[07:10] <TJ-> catNode: I'm guessing that Ubuntu was installed in Lagacy BIOS mode which won't be found by a pure EFI boot sequence. Enable the CSM support in the UEFI firmware and it should boot.
[07:11] <catNode> I can choose, both (which it's currently set to), UEFI only or Legacy Only
[07:11] <TJ-> catNode: Try it with "Legacy Only" if only to prove/disprove this theory
[07:11] <catNode> i think it's booting in legacy anyway, because UEGI/Legacy Boot is set to both, and Legacy has first priority
[07:11] <catNode> alright. giving it a go
[07:12] <TJ-> catNode: usually EFI boot sequence looks for an EFI ESP first, and only if that is absent does it try a legacy MBR boot
[07:13] <catNode> so this Boot Agent shouldn't even be happening?
[07:13] <catNode> (still not working)
[07:13] <TJ-> catNode: "Boot Agent" is fine ... that message is just letting you know it is initialising itself
[07:14] <catNode> Network Boot is irrelevant I assume
[07:15] <TJ-> catNode: OK, the next thing I'd do is to switch back to UEFI/Legacy "Both", then at boot-time I'd want to open the UEFI Shell (which most UEFI should provide) which provides a command-line environment where you can explore the system, including listing directories in the EFI System Partition on the hard-disk, if it has one
[07:15] <catNode> do you know how I'd reach that?
[07:15] <TJ-> catNode: Correct - that option is for doing PXE boots from a BOOTP/PXE server
[07:16] <TJ-> catNode: Usually it is an option on the boot-menu where the boot devices are listed, but sometimes you can only enter it from the UEFI Setup's 'boot options' menus
[07:18] <TJ-> catNode: Check in the UEFI Setup, that "Secure Boot" isn't enabled - that could be the culprit... should have thought about that earlier
[07:18] <catNode> TJ- - i've put it into UEFI only... booted up, on the screen where it asks to choose what to boot from, only gives me ATA HDD0 as option, which of course doesn't work, and that's about it
[07:19] <catNode> i don't see any options re: secure boot
[07:20] <TJ-> catNode: does that X220 have a sub-model number, I'm trying to find a manual for the UEFI so I can see what it has
[07:21] <catNode> TJ- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHVFOfweYVs - this is hte only thing I can find that vaguely shows everything in the BIOS
[07:21] <catNode> there's no sub model as far as I'm aware. it's x220
[07:22] <TJ-> catNode: Thanks
[07:24] <TJ-> catNode: This may be it: page 181 (PDF 199) of http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/user_guides/x220_x220i_x220tablet_x220itablet_ug_en.pdf
[07:25] <catNode> yep that looks it to me
[07:30] <TJ-> catNode: It doesn't seem to show any sign of a UEFI shell, which complicates things. Is that PC dual-boot with Windows?
[07:31] <bipul> I am getting this error messages when ever i am trying to update . kindly please help.
[07:32] <bipul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7797217/
[07:34] <catNode> TJ- it had Windows 7 when I got it. I replaced it with ubuntu, so it's only a single boot
[07:34] <catNode> standard ubuntu install. nothing fancy
[07:35] <TJ-> catNode: OK ... I'm trying to deduce how the thing will be configured in a way that would prevent it booting like this!
[07:35] <catNode> TJ- i appreciate your help
[07:36] <catNode> considering we started with a totally different isuue, lol
[07:36] <TJ-> catNode: This seems to be caused by the factory default reset, which suggests it was previously configured with some non-standard option that allowed booting when default options don't - and that's the weird part
[07:36] <catNode> TJ- yeah, its very odd
[07:36] <TJ-> catNode: yeah... it hasn't spontaneously powered down yet, then?
[07:36] <catNode> nope
[07:37] <TJ-> catNode: Because I saw many comments saying the power-down can happen at any time, even in the firmware setup
[07:37] <catNode> its a ubuntu problem for sure. it didnt do it when it orig had windows
[07:37] <catNode> never had it happen during bios menu either
[07:38] <catNode> there's another menu available to me here
[07:38] <catNode> Intel Management Engine BIOS Extension
[07:39] <TJ-> catNode: The power-down problem will develop if the NVRAM settings get corrupted by a bit-flip of some sensitive setting, from what I've read. Apparently it *can* be related to certain battery (types) and their current charge-holding state (they get tired and send erroneous I-am-about-to-run-out-of-power messages which the system then uses as a trigger to power down immediately)
[07:39] <catNode> TJ-, basically, I should throw this laptop out the window
[07:39] <TJ-> catNode: nah, it's teaching you things you never knew you needed to know :)
[07:40] <catNode> i can't get into this Management Engine BIOS Extention menu cause it requires a password that I don't know
[07:40] <TJ-> catNode: Do you have a bootable live ISO on USB or CD/DVD to hand? A live-boot from external media would at least let us explore the hard disk, figure out how the boot loader is configured
[07:40] <catNode> one moment
[07:43] <catNode> ok I got the install USB
[07:43] <catNode> Try ubuntu without installing?
[07:43] <TJ-> catNode: Yes, that will help immensely
[07:44] <catNode> alright i'm in
[07:44] <TJ-> catNode: If you can also connect it you your local network, we can easily send diagnostic reports to the pastebin
[07:45] <catNode> alright, got that too
[07:46] <TJ-> catNode: OK, which Ubuntu release is it, Trusty?
[07:46] <catNode> 14.04 LTD
[07:46] <catNode> LTS
[07:46] <TJ-> catNode: Start a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T I think)
[07:47] <catNode> yep
[07:47] <TJ-> catNode: Then do "sudo lsblk | pastebinit" to begin with
[07:48] <TJ-> catNode: That is LSBLK (LiStBLocK devices)
[07:48] <catNode> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7797269
[07:49] <TJ-> catNode: OK that looks like sda has an EFI ESP partition. Let's check with "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[07:49] <catNode> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7797272
[07:50] <TJ-> catNode: Also, lets find out if the live ISO booted in EFI or Legacy mode: "find /sys/class/firmware | pastebinit"
[07:51] <catNode> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7797278
[07:51] <TJ-> catNode: OK, so Ubuntu is installed in UEFI mode. So, when the firware loaded its defaults it wiped out all the saved boot menu entries, so looks like we need to replace them
[07:52] <TJ-> catNode: That's a shame, the ISO booted in legacy mode so we can't add the EFI boot menu entry easily
[07:52] <catNode> we can't load the live boot in UEFI?
[07:53] <TJ-> catNode: This is a pain, but can you try rebooting the USB, and at the boot menu checking carefully for an alternate boot entry for the USB device that would be the EFI option? If there isn't one, try going into UEFO setup and switching the UEFI boot options to "UEFI only" ... if you can still boot the USB after that do so and hopefully it'll start in UEFI mode. With that, we can fix the missing boot menu entry.
[07:54] <catNode> one moment
[07:54] <TJ-> catNode: Usually, UEFI boot menus will list a device twice (once for UEFI boot and once for Legacy boot) depending on if the device has an EFI System Partition on it.
[07:55] <catNode> there was definitely only one option to boot the USB, so I'll go into the BIOS and set boot to UEFI only
[07:55] <TJ-> catNode: OK. Last time I checked the ISO images are built to boot from UEFI or Legacy, so it is up to the motherboard firmware as to which it uses by default
[07:56] <catNode> ok I'm in the live boot again after setting the BIOS boot to UEFI only, can we check to see if it has booted into UEFI?
[07:57] <TJ-> catNode: "find /sys/class/firmware" - you should see some "efi" entries if it is
[07:58] <catNode> it has returned two entries - /sys/class/firmware and /sys/class/firmware/timeout
[07:58] <TJ-> catNode: Grrrr, it doesn't want to play nice does it?!
[07:59] <TJ-> catNode: I think the USb device is being treated as a hard disk rather than as a ATAPI (DVD) device so it is using legacy boot mode
[07:59] <TJ-> catNode: OK, let's do the sneaky thing instead :)
[07:59] <TJ-> catNode: (sorry for all this hassle!)
[08:00] <catNode> no worries
[08:00] <TJ-> catNode: What I had *hoped* we could do is have the system start in EFI mode, and use Ubuntu's own tools to add its entry to the firmware boot menu
[08:01] <TJ-> catNode: To do that, it needs to write EFI variables, but the EFI interface is not available in legacy mode
[08:02] <TJ-> catNode: So, the sneaky method is for us to try directly installing the Intel Tianocore EFI shell executable into the EFI System Partition and *hopefully* get the firmware boot manager to load it from the disk
[08:02] <catNode> sounds tricky
[08:02] <Nuk3> hey
[08:05] <TJ-> catNode: For it to work the firmware boot manager needs to scan the ESP (EFI System Partition) for a particular EFI boot-loader. On removable devices it is always at "/efi/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI" ... if this trick works, we can have that file be the UEFI shell, which then gives command-line control in order to boot the system to Ubuntu correctly, from where you can simply redo the boot menu entry
[08:06] <TJ-> catNode: So, this will depend on the firmware scanning for "/efi/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI" on the hard disk
[08:06] <catNode> alright. what should i run in terminal
[08:06] <kasiisomi> hi all
[08:06] <TJ-> catNode: first, let's mount the ESP to somewhere useful. Go into interactive root user shell with "sudo -i"
[08:06] <catNode> ypu
[08:06] <catNode> yup
[08:07] <kasiisomi> hello
[08:07] <TJ-> catNode: create a directory where we can mount the ESP: "mkdir -p /mnt/efi"
[08:07] <catNode> yup
[08:07] <TJ-> catNode: "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/efi"
[08:07] <catNode> yup
[08:07] <TJ-> catNode: "find /mnt/efi | pastebinit" should report several directories and files
[08:08] <kasiisomi> looking for recovery tool  cuz testdisk fails  to recover the drive
[08:08] <TJ-> kasiisomi: what kind of recovery tool?
[08:09] <kasiisomi> TJ-,  from the command line  TESTDISK
[08:09] <catNode> TJ- - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7797348
[08:10] <kasiisomi> TJ-,  first i root then apt-get install testdisk
[08:10] <TJ-> catNode: Great, that is what the original "grub-install" put in place, so the only missing piece is the firmware's boot-menu entry to point to that
[08:11] <kasiisomi> looking for recovery tool  cuz testdisk fails  to recover the drive
[08:11] <kasiisomi> looking for recovery tool  cuz testdisk fails  to recover the drive
[08:11] <TJ-> catNode: OK, let's create the standard path for 'simple' UEFI boot: "mkdir -p /mnt/efi/BOOT"
[08:12] <catNode> yup
[08:13] <kasiisomi> TJ-,   do i  have to  still wait for that  recovery AID  from you
[08:14] <TJ-> catNode: and then download the Intel Tianocore shell v2 and install it "wget https://svn.code.sf.net/p/edk2/code/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi  -O /mnt/efi/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI"
[08:14] <TJ-> catNode: Sorry for the pauses, I'm testing commands here
[08:15] <catNode> TJ- done
[08:15] <TJ-> catNode: Now unmount that file-system "umount /mnt/efi"
[08:15] <TJ-> catNode: And now you can do a reboot. Remove the USB device, keep the firmware set to "UEFI only" and try the HDD0 boot device again
[08:16] <catNode> No command 'unmount' found
[08:16] <catNode> oh sorry
[08:16] <catNode> umount
[08:16] <catNode> alright, that's done
[08:16] <catNode> rebooting
[08:17] <robynata> :-D
[08:17] <catNode> HDD0 won't boot
[08:18] <catNode> you select it, but it instantly comes back to the boot selection menu
[08:18] <TJ-> catNode: Grrr, that firmware is *really* annoying... the specification requires implementations to provide a basic shell at least but so many break that to stop users 'interfering'
[08:19] <TJ-> catNode: The entire point of the shell, is when this kind of issue occurs, you have a way to recover
[08:19] <kasiisomi> looking for recovery tool  cuz testdisk fails  to recover the drive
[08:20] <catNode> TJ- bummer. i appreciate your help, a lot. I'll have to be back shortly, dinner is served. back soon
[08:20] <TJ-> kasiisomi: You've still not told us what kind of recovery tool you're looking for, and what's wrong with testdisk
[08:20] <TJ-> catNode: OK... it's early here, I have to nip out and sort a combine harvester out... will be back soonish :)
[08:22] <nick07> anyone any idea how to download firefox for windows from the official website using a linux machine?
[08:22] <nathanbbb> how would I make unattended-upgrades run at different times on different servers ?
[08:22] <nick07> I always get redirected to a deb version
[08:22] <Abhijit> nathanbbb, cron
[08:23] <nathanbbb> Abhijit how do u run unattended-upgrades manually ?
[08:23] <TJ-> nick07: see https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/
[08:24] <nick07> great! thanks, how did you get there?
[08:24] <Abhijit> nathanbbb, apt-get upgrade -y
[08:24] <Abhijit> nathanbbb, add that do cron.
[08:24] <TJ-> nick07: "https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/new/" and then the "Download a fresh copy" link
[08:24] <nick07> great thx
[08:24] <nathanbbb> I just want to do security updates
[08:25] <Abhijit> nathanbbb, man apt-get
[08:25] <nathanbbb> should i worry about APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval
[08:28] <beta> I installed Ubuntu 14.0.4 yesterday and it is very laggy and sluggish. When a window is opened and closed it can take 1-2 seconds. This is not acceptable. During install I used nomodeset. What can the issue be and how can I fix it?
[08:33] <beta> what is fglrx?
[08:35] <laserluca> Hallo :)
[08:36] <beta> How do I find out if I have ATI radeon or ATI FireGL video adapters?
[08:38] <bekks> beta: you can take a look at "sudo lspci -k"
[08:44] <beta> bekks: ty. So I have some radeon stuff. Should I install the drivers for fglrx then? This will speed up my ubuntu?
[08:48] <beta> where can i check the size of my harddrive?
[08:49] <isthisreallife> please help me delete mongodb http://pastie.org/9392443
[08:50] <TheM4ch1n3> beta: hdparm -i /dev/sda or -I
[08:56] <beta> http://askubuntu.com/questions/290913/ubuntu-running-slow-on-my-good-machine
[08:56] <beta> I don't have an /etc/X11 folder, is that because I missed to do something?
[09:03] <priuon> hello. How can I set default file permission flags? UMASK did not have the desired effect and corrupts the xfce-login in certain cases (I think it's 2XX).
[09:16] <pcoder> Hi, I am on 12.04.4 LTS, and I am having issues with resolvconf, whenever I change a network, the resolvconf still keeps the old dns settings. Isn't it supposed to remove the old settings and overwrite it with the newer settings?
[09:17] <Abhijit> pcoder, it will when you do service networking restart
[09:20] <case_> Hello, everytime  I start tor browser in ubuntu 14.04 i need to open a terminal and type " sh 'path_to_start-tor-browser' . I am using gnome, in kde i just needed to double click the icon. How can I do the same on gnome ?
[09:22] <taraduffy> test
[09:28] <Lost_x> good day guys
[09:28] <Roukh> yup
[09:28] <Roukh> nobody seems to have ubunty problems
[09:28] <Lost_x> i need help with my ubuntu installation in my lappy with previous os w7
[09:29] <etronik> nickserv identify Shampoo12
[09:29] <k1l_> etronik: change passwords
[09:30] <etronik> oops
[09:30] <etronik> damm it
[09:30] <Roukh> everybody fails sometimes
[09:31] <etronik> can't find my "other" window... for nickserv msgs
[09:31] <etronik> err new to x-chat
[09:31] <priuon> brb.
[09:32] <k1l_> etronik: just make it a "/msg nickserv identify password"
[09:32] <k1l_> etronik: but best is to set the nickserv password as the server password in the server-list. so x-chat does that for you
[09:33] <ubnoobtu> Hey all. I am using Ubuntu 12.04, and I am having problems with slow internet. My wireless card is saying I have 36 mbs to my router, so I dont think its an issue with my adapter (WUSB54G v2) so it has to be something else.
[09:33] <etronik> yeah, now where the heck is that server list window....
[09:33] <k1l_> etronik: ctrl +s
[09:33] <ubnoobtu> Also, I am only receiving 2 DL 2 UP, so its really freaking irrating not getting the fastst I should have
[09:34] <etronik> k1l_, nah thats save log as
[09:34] <k1l_> etronik: then take a own look into the menue
[09:37] <ubnoobtu> any suggestions?
[09:37] <ubnoobtu> I've gogled a whole bunch and I've tried various things, but to no avail
[09:37] <k1l_> etronik: are you on xchat or xchat-gnome?
[09:39] <etronik> ok, thats done
[09:39] <etronik> now my question...
[09:40] <etronik> I have downloaded fortinets VPN client... what's the correct  place to install downloaded software ?
[09:42] <hiuf_> I got a server running 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin).  I need to install a newer package of puppet. what would be best practice doing this on ubuntu? Can I "backport" it with ease from a newer release?
[09:42] <xflame> da tevine
[09:42] <tevin> hi
[09:44] <k1l_> hiuf_: use a PPA
[10:04] <ubnoobtu> Wolfium: Thats just the wireless signal, from my wireless adapter, to my router, not my speed
[10:04] <ubnoobtu> Wolfium: But on my other computers, using wireless, I am getting the full speed. At this moment, I am receiving 2 mbs on this conputer and this is the only one powered on on the network
[10:05] <etronik> what the heck was that ?
[10:05] <Ben64> etronik: irc servers re-linking after a netsplit. nothing to worry about
[10:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> etronik, someone tripped over the server cord at freenode and accidently unplugged it
[10:06] <Ben64> ubnoobtu: right, which is why you need to eliminate some variables
[10:06] <etronik> stuck at the workspace switching windows... mouse was being ignored by apps, but not keyboard and only alt+F10 got me back to workspace 1 at full screen
[10:06] <ubnoobtu> Ben64:  Like either my NIC is working, or if my dapater is screwed.
[10:07] <ubnoobtu> Ben64: Given my options, I am stuck with. I am pretty sure, my adapter isnt working correctly, or something is happening with after the data goes through the wireless
[10:08] <Wolfium> too many people over at freenode :P
[10:09] <ubnoobtu> and this happened maybe only a week ago
[10:09] <Ben64> ubnoobtu: seriously, just try a wired connection
[10:10] <ubnoobtu> Ben64: I am in a living situation where I cant.
[10:10] <Ben64> if that works, try wireless in like a 5' range
[10:10] <Ben64> how can you not? do you not have an ethernet cable?
[10:10] <ubnoobtu> I like ain a 8 x 8 room
[10:10] <Laurenceb_> hi
[10:10] <ubnoobtu> and on the otherside of this level, is the router,
[10:11] <Laurenceb_> can anyone help me setup a bluetooth-serial module?
[10:11] <Laurenceb_> i need it to be connected as /dev/rfcomm10
[10:11] <Laurenceb_> atm it only works intermittently
[10:11] <Laurenceb_> i dont know what the problem is
[10:11] <Laurenceb_> most of the time i cant connect to the device
[10:11] <Ben64> ubnoobtu: ok? i don't see the problem
[10:12] <ubnoobtu> Ben64: The problem is physical limitations!
[10:12] <ubnoobtu> This is too frustrating
[10:12] <Ben64> do you have an ethernet port? do you have an ethernet cord? if the answer to both is yes, then just try it!
[10:13] <ubnoobtu> I have an ethernet port, I do not have a enthernet cord, that can go 20 meters
[10:13] <Ben64> then... move the computer closer to test this
[10:14] <ubnoobtu> i cant, its in someones private room./
[10:15] <ubnoobtu> even if I could connect to the router physically, It doesnt help me, when I need to use my wireless.
[10:16] <Ben64> this is part of troubleshooting
[10:17] <cristian_c> lol
[10:18] <ubnoobtu> it justn seems unnessacary,
[10:26] <habibiz> Can I use CubieBoard widthout hdmi cable? (with lan network connection)
[10:29] <system5> ghuj
[10:30] <system5> ghj
[10:34] <MACscr> habibiz: of course
[10:35] <habibiz> @MACscr Can you tell me, how can I do that? Or how can I find a tutorial?
[10:36] <cyandrod> hi
[10:38] <helionsb3n> hi i am trying to set grub password,but the hashed password is not working only plain text is working
[10:39] <MACscr> habibiz: pxe boot it
[10:39] <persistentusb> hi guys.  I'm trying to set up a persistent live ubuntu environment, but I can't get it to work.  When I boot, I'm told I have a persistence file, and I enable persistence in the kernel options, but when I reboot my computer, nothing persists.  any thoughts?
[10:39] <MACscr> which im assuming you can do. im not 100% sure though
[10:39] <persistentusb> fyi, I'm using a loopback file
[10:41] <persistentusb> some sites I've found online have advised adding a persistence flag to grub.cfg, but my installation (14.04) doesn't have a grub.cfg file
[10:41] <cfhowlett_> persistentusb that is the OLD grub IIRC.  for new grub you do ... something different
[10:42] <Firefly67> how can I make the default editor emacs (instead of gedit) while opening a file?
[10:42] <Firefly67> also, is there any kind of tabbed emacs?
[10:43] <persistentusb> cfhowlett_ can you think of any keywords I might google?
[10:43] <cfhowlett_> persistentusb grub 2.0 edit
[10:43] <cfhowlett_> !grub
[10:43] <persistentusb> cfhowlett_ thanks
[10:43] <cfhowlett_> persistentusb happy2help
[10:47] <john_rambo> The offtopic channel doesnt exist anymore ?
[10:47] <cfhowlett_> !ot
[10:48] <ivan_> canale italiano?
[10:49] <Ben64> #ubuntu-it
[10:49] <cfhowlett_> !it | ivan
[10:49] <ivan_> thank you
[10:49] <jpentland> What's the simplest way to compress all files in a directory, so that file1.txt, file2.txt become file1.txt.tar.bz2, file2.txt.tar.bz2 etc?
[10:49] <ivan_>  /join #ubuntu-it
[10:50] <system5> asd
[10:51] <ivan_>  ./join #ubuntu-it
[10:51] <ivan_> bo
[10:51] <dextor> Hello, I am unable to install synpatic in my ubuntu 13.04 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7797934/
[10:52] <cfhowlett_> !13.04|dextor 13.04 is end of life.  upgrade to a supported version
[10:53] <zamba> is 14.04.1 ready?
[10:54] <cfhowlett_> zamba not yet
[10:54] <zamba> cfhowlett_: you know an ETA for it?
[10:54] <cfhowlett_> zamba I don't - sorry.
[10:54] <zamba> cfhowlett_: hehe, don't be :)
[10:55] <ivan__> italian channel?
[10:55] <cfhowlett_> !italian | ivan_
[10:55] <Chris_hubu> #ubuntu-it
[10:56] <Chris_hubu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[10:56] <hoppfull> hello?
[10:57] <ObrienDave> hello
[10:57] <cfhowlett_> hoppfull ask your questions
[10:57] <dextor> cfhowlett_: Thank you, for letting me know :) Other wise i will struck my head inside with 13.04
[10:57] <ivan_> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l
[10:57] <hoppfull> I don't know if it's inappropriate to talk in here. Or if there is a special etiquette.
[10:58] <cfhowlett_> dextor 12.04 and 14.04 are both supported.  Go wild.
[10:58] <cfhowlett_> !ask|hoppfull
[10:59] <Chris_hubu> !thanks|ubottu
[10:59] <Chris_hubu> !thanks|whoever_created_ubottu
[11:00] <Abhijit> Chris_hubu, do /msg ubutto !test
[11:00] <hoppfull> Fascinating.
[11:00] <Chris_hubu> haha Abhijit thanks
[11:01] <ObrienDave> hoppfull, if the question is Ubuntu SUPPORT related, please ask. if not, please don't
[11:18] <mpourhadi> hey guys how can i install tomahawk from the source i dont wanna go by apt-addrepo ,,,
[11:18] <cfhowlett_> !compile| mpourhadi
[11:19] <k1l> mpourhadi: its in the repos since 13.04. which ubuntu you got?
[11:21] <ivan_> versione xubuntu 14.10 come togliere il portachiavi?
[11:21] <ivan_> come mettere uno scrren saver
[11:21] <cfhowlett_> !utopic
[11:22] <RahulAN> I cant use wifi hotspot in lubuntu 14.04
[11:22] <ObrienDave> !italian | ivan_
[11:22] <schoenemann> Hi, I have a Lenovo ThinkPad T440p with 2 graphic cards (NVidia and Intel) and I'm trying to get the Nvidia graphic card to run using the prime infrastructure (Ubuntu 12.04)
[11:23] <schoenemann> lspci lists both cards but "xrandr --listproviders" does not. what am I missing to get it work
[11:23] <Ben64> schoenemann: check this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[11:24] <Galaxor> I am trying to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 using do-release-upgrade.  It says "No new release found".  What do I do?
[11:25] <schoenemann> Ben64: thanks but this page is only listing the closed source drivers
[11:25] <ObrienDave> you cant upgrade until 14.04.1 is released
[11:25] <DJones> Galaxor, THe upgrades from 12.04 to 14.04 only become available once 14.04.1 is released, which from memory still has another few days before its released
[11:25] <cfhowlett_> Galaxor torrent the ISO, set it as a software source and uprade
[11:25] <cfhowlett_> *upgrade*
[11:25] <Rory>     Upgrades between LTS releases are not enabled by default until the first point release, 14.04.1, scheduled for July. It is recommended that most LTS users wait until then before upgrading to 14.04.
[11:25] <Ben64> schoenemann: yep, thats how prime is supported
[11:26] <Rory> If you choose to upgrade before then, you can pass the -d option to the upgrade tool, running do-release-upgrade -d or update-manager -d
[11:26] <mpourhadi> k1l, 11.4  my PC is  a bit old
[11:27] <Galaxor> DJones, cfhowlett_ : Okay, thanks.
[11:27] <k1l> mpourhadi: oh my. 11.04 is way out of security updates. first make sure to update your system. you are a security issue
[11:27] <k1l> !eol | mpourhadi
[11:27] <Galaxor> Rory: Akso thanks.  I think I might do this one.
[11:27] <schoenemann> Ben64: that page (http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hybrid-Grafikkarten/Prime?redirect=no) explains the usage of the open source drivers (nouveau). but it does not list the nvidia card for me (sorry but I don't know if there is an english version of that page)
[11:29] <Galaxor> I'm upgrading a vm I just spawned, so it's pretty low-stakes.  I'll take my chances with do-release-upgrade -d
[11:29] <ikonia> I strongly advise against it
[11:29] <ikonia> if you've just made a VM - install 14.04
[11:29] <ikonia> if you've installed 12.04 - wait for 14.04.1 and use the official upgrade
[11:31] <Galaxor> ikonia: Okay.  I shall start over.
[11:33] <Galaxor> ikonia: Hm, I want to use lxc rather than virtualbox.  Does the iso have debootstrap on it or something?
[11:33] <ikonia> I don't think so
[11:33] <ikonia> lxc = bad
[11:34] <Galaxor> ikonia: in what way is lxc = bad?
[11:34] <cfhowlett_> this ^^^
[11:34] <ikonia> they are basically just chroots
[11:35] <ikonia> shared kernals,
[11:35] <ikonia> no real physical device mappping
[11:35] <CatKiller> ikonia: They most certainly are not
[11:35] <ikonia> sorry, I disagree
[11:35] <CatKiller> they leverage netspaces, namespaces
[11:35] <ikonia> if you like them - use them
[11:35] <CatKiller> they have root remapping (so your LXC root maps to a dummy user)
[11:36] <ikonia> I know how they work, I'm being over simplistic saying "chroot"
[11:36] <CatKiller> so you can even share devices with them (virtual NICs etc)
[11:36] <CatKiller> well it's also wrong. If you tell somebody they're chroot you'd scare people away for the wrong reasons
[11:36] <CatKiller> LXC is the future in my humble opinion
[11:36] <ikonia> yes, thats was a bad phrase and over simplistic
[11:37] <ikonia> and I don't think it's the future
[11:37] <ikonia> but yes, chroot was over simplistic and an unfair description
[11:37] <ikonia> even the webpage describes it as "a chroot on steroids"
[11:38] <CatKiller> On the other hand, if someone wanted Ubuntu desktop that's definitely not what they should try
[11:38] <CatKiller> Works well for small contained jobs like webservers etc
[11:38] <CatKiller> and with Docker it's quite nice to use
[11:38] <ikonia> yes, farm deployments
[11:38] <ikonia> where full pve is not required
[11:39] <CatKiller> ikonia: Yep
[11:42] <Galaxor> Aha.  I can specify what release to install when using lxc-create.  lxc-create -n sandbox1 -t ubuntu -- -r trusty
[11:42] <CatKiller> Galaxor: Give it a shot but you'll notice it's not quite a "generic" Ubuntu install
[11:42] <MACscr> ok, i have two ubuntu systems with one being the dhcp server (isc-dhcp-server) and the other being the dhcp client. For some reason the clients /etc/resolv.conf is only being assigned a nameserver entry of 127.0.0.1 even though i have "option domain-name-servers  192.168.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4;" in my dhcpd.conf file on my server. Any suggestions?
[11:42] <mpourhadi> k1l, when i use latest version of any linux my monitor goes all noisy and i cant do anything only one of the debian distro with MATE desktop worked for me thats y i cant update
[11:42] <CatKiller> Galaxor: More like a lightweight server
[11:43] <CatKiller> Galaxor: Many tools won't be there (because they're not required)
[11:43] <ikonia> MACscr thts how dnsmasq works
[11:43] <ikonia> MACscr: it's fine
[11:44] <MACscr> ikonia: it would be fine if my host could actually do dns lookups =P
[11:44] <ikonia> that's a different matter
[11:44] <MACscr> nor did i manually instally dnsmasq
[11:44] <ikonia> it's part of the distro
[11:44] <ikonia> it's ubuntu's default resolver setup
[11:45] <Galaxor> CatKiller: Yepp, then I just install the stuff I wanna mess with.  It'll be great.
[11:46] <MACscr> ikonia: but then shouldnt /etc/dnsmasq.conf exist?
[11:46] <ikonia> isn't it /etc/resolv.conf.d or something like that
[11:46] <ikonia> I've not got an ubuntu box to verify that path though
[11:46] <Pici> !resolvconf
[11:47] <ikonia> thank you Pici
[11:47] <MACscr> no, resolve confs would onyl point to the dnsmasq server
[11:47] <MACscr> that wouldnt control the actual dnsmasq settings
[11:47] <ikonia> MACscr: check the link ubottu just sent you
[11:47] <ikonia> it explains the setup
[11:48] <TJ-> Trusty, x86_64, whilst creating a new guest VM libvirt is reporting "qemu-system-x86_64: -chardev pty,id=charserial0: Failed to create chardev" ... this is an apparmor issue (DENIED for execute of "/usr/lib/pt_chown") and I'm sure I've seen/dealt with this before, but I cannot find any bug reports dealing with this particular denial or a fix. Any ideas?
[11:48] <ikonia> TJ-: I've hit this too, isn't it when you change the default path of where the guests files are stored ?
[11:48] <Pici> ikonia: np :)
[11:49] <uki> Is there anyway I can easily have gdb with python2 support on ubuntu 13/14 instead of python3?
[11:49] <uki> All my gdb scripts are broken as the newer gdb uses python3
[11:49] <Exx> Hi
[11:51] <Exx> My computer is acting up all crazy, it's all of a sudden super slow. I couldn't open any file and/or it was really slow. So I went to reinstall Ubuntu, but that turned out also to be slow, I had it running for several hours and it hardly progressed. So I checked "disk for defects" but that didn't show anything. What other tools can I use to see what's wrong?
[11:51] <cfhowlett_> Exx open a terminal and run this command        free
[11:52] <cfhowlett_> Exx how much ram is available/used
[11:52] <TJ-> ikonia: Hmmm, that may be it, I configure a new storage pool... I'd have thought libvirt would add a dynamic rule for that... although... the apparmor DENIED message is specific to the chardev
[11:52] <fidel_> Exx: the cmd 'top' or 'htop' might help as well showing you some general informations about what your computer is actually doing
[11:52] <TJ-> ikonia: I'll try that
[11:52] <MACscr> ikonia: they dont mention dnsmasq
[11:53] <MACscr> the resolvconf.d/original file actually has the correct dns entries
[11:53] <Exx> cfhowlett_: I run free. What should I look for?
[11:53] <MACscr> also, on my servers, i dont see that dnsmasq is installed
[11:53] <cfhowlett_> Exx report the output
[11:53] <TJ-> ikonia: no, can't be the storage-pool location - I accidentally created the volumes in the default pool :)
[11:54] <MACscr> also, neither of those articles mention that dnsmasq is used by default
[11:54] <ikonia> TJ-: damn
[11:54] <ikonia> MACscr: they should explain the dns setup though
[11:54] <ikonia> MACscr: eerrr it says it clear title
[11:54] <ikonia> MACscr: did you actually read the articales
[11:55] <ikonia> massive heading section " Using dnsmasq as local resolver by default on desktop installations"
[11:55] <MACscr> and as i clearly mentioned, these are servers
[11:55] <ikonia> no you didn't
[11:55] <ikonia> you said " I have 2 ubuntu systems"
[11:56] <MACscr> MACscr
[11:56] <MACscr> also, on my servers, i dont see that dnsmasq is installed
[11:56] <ikonia> because it's not
[11:56] <MACscr> ok, so back to why its not working then =P
[11:57] <ikonia> read the document
[11:57] <ikonia> it explains the setup
[11:57] <ikonia> then you can see where yours is failing
[11:57] <MACscr> which one? Since i am using dhcp, there shouldnt be any configuration needed on the client
[11:57] <philinux> Exx;~ open a terminal > free -m |pastebinit
[11:58] <ikonia> MACscr: read them both
[11:58] <ikonia> they explain the dns setup
[11:58] <MACscr> i have. Thus why i am trying to find out where you think i am missing something
[11:58] <ikonia> then you can see how yours differs and then work through the problem of why
[11:58] <philinux> Exx;~ http://corlewsolutions.com/articles/article-6-understanding-the-free-command-in-ubuntu-and-linux
[11:58] <ikonia> MACscr: ok, so where is the resolver not getting set
[11:59] <Exx> cfhowlett_: Hey, sorry for the delay. Are you still here?
[11:59] <cfhowlett_> Exx yes
[12:00] <MACscr> ikonia: my point is that my resolvconf.d/original (the only file in that directory that has nameserver settings) has the correct info assigned by the dhcpd server, but the generated /etc/resolv.conf does not match that info
[12:01] <Exx> How do I write | in the terminal?
[12:01] <ikonia> so the so either the resolvconf script is not working or the hook is not reading from there and looking for the optional data in the interfaces file
[12:01] <philinux> Exx;~ alt gr +button under escape or just use copy and paste from here
[12:01] <ObrienDave> Exx, it's a key on your keyboard
[12:02] <ObrienDave> shift \
[12:02] <philinux> ^^ that too
[12:03] <ObrienDave> oh, DOH they typed it already LOL
[12:03] <ObrienDave> i'll go back to sleep now ;P
[12:03] <philinux> lol indeed
[12:05] <Exx> So I run free http://paste.ubuntu.com/7798186/ -- This is what it shows.
[12:06] <cfhowlett_> Exx so you've got about 12 gigs of ram  - nice.  your slowdown is not caused byram limitations
[12:07] <cfhowlett_> Exx someone else can advise about SWAP = 0 though
[12:08] <philinux> Exx;~ with 12 gig ram swap not needed unless you intend to use hibernate
[12:09] <Exx> cfhowlett_: It's an ASUS ROG G750JW laptop
[12:09] <Exx> philinux: I don't even know what that is, so you have any suggestion what I should do?
[12:10] <cfhowlett_> Exx you've got enough ram = no /swap needed.  shutdown firefox and test your speed
[12:10] <philinux> Exx;~ do you intend to use hibernate https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate
[12:11] <Amaze-balls> Can somebody please help me with a good solid explaination of umask
[12:11] <Amaze-balls> I simply dont get it
[12:11] <cfhowlett_> !info umask
[12:11] <Exx> philinux: Nope, not really.
[12:12] <Amaze-balls> Ive been reading that (im learning for an LPI exam) but I dont get it
[12:12] <philinux> Exx;~ then your fine without swap
[12:12] <Amaze-balls> it sets permissions on file creation
[12:12] <Amaze-balls> but doesnt that always happen
[12:12] <Exx> philinux: Right. But that's not the issue tho I guess, thanks for the help.
[12:12] <rypervenche> Amaze-balls: Yes, because your umask has already been set in your /etc/profile probably.
[12:12] <Exx> philinux: The thing is that the computer is running ultra super slow. Again I tried to reinstall Ubuntu, but that also turned out to take forever. So I run from the live cd now.
[12:13] <Exx> philinux: I was asked to check free. Now I don't know what to do..
[12:13] <Amaze-balls> so if I touch a file name a certain set of permissions will be used
[12:13] <philinux> Exx;~ process of elimination, memory fine so thats that sorted
[12:13] <fidel_> Exx: if its not the memory - checked if your cpu is busy?
[12:13] <pixelboy_> hey guys i have a stupid question of anyway has any time for me :D
[12:13] <rypervenche> Amaze-balls: If that file has not yet been created, then yes, touch will create it using the umask to determine the correct permissions.
[12:14] <fidel_> Exx: iotop might be helful as well
[12:14] <mjayk> pixelboy_: just state the question :)
[12:14] <pixelboy_> i have this annoying notification from ubuntu that i have to update something
[12:14] <Amaze-balls> Ok thanks I think I get it now. Its weird though when a user creates a file you can automatically change the permissions to the superadmin
[12:14] <pixelboy_> but then i open it
[12:14] <pixelboy_> nothing
[12:14] <Amaze-balls> rendering the file useless for writing for the user right ?
[12:15] <ObrienDave> pixelboy_, and what does it want to update?
[12:15] <pixelboy_> no idea, if i just open terminal and sudo  apt-get update/sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:16] <pixelboy_> it sais all good
[12:16] <rypervenche> Amaze-balls: How so?
[12:16] <rypervenche> Amaze-balls: Whoever creates the file is the file's owner.
[12:16] <pixelboy_> but that small atention mark in the upper corner is still there
[12:16] <ObrienDave> pixelboy_, try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:16] <Amaze-balls> just trying to imagine it functionality... with a wrongly setup umask, if the user creates a file and the permissions in umask are set only to write for the admin then the user can create  a file but not write in it is that correct ?
[12:17] <pixelboy_> 0 / 0 / 0 to install or anything
[12:17] <nichlas> Amaze-balls: users can always chmod files they own
[12:18] <rypervenche> Amaze-balls: I think you need to understand ownership better. There are three permissions, owner, group, and other. You can't create a file that is then owned by someone else. However, you can, with umask, make it so that when someoen creates a file they don't even have permissions to it.
[12:18] <Exx> fidel_: I can't find a package called iotop, I tried to install it
[12:18] <rypervenche> Amaze-balls: I can't think of any use case for that though.
[12:18] <Exx> I'll see what's wrong..
[12:18] <ObrienDave> pixelboy_, try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:19] <pixelboy_> i tried
[12:19] <pixelboy_> it said nothing to install
[12:21] <Exx> Well I can't seem to be able to install iotop, also did apt-get update
[12:22] <Exx> fidel_: Any other software I could check my cpu?
[12:22] <pixelboy_> ObrienDave: when i launch that command it said nothing to do
[12:23] <pixelboy_> ObrienDave: i will send you a small screen shot if you want to see
[12:23] <ObrienDave> no, that's ok
[12:23] <ntz> hello
[12:24] <cfhowlett_> pixelboy_
[12:24] <pixelboy_> ObrienDave: yap
[12:24] <cfhowlett_> !apt-lock
[12:24] <ntz> I'd guess that 20GB is far enough for lvm root volume ? (separate home and boot)
[12:24] <cfhowlett_> !aptlock
[12:24] <ntz> for a workstation
[12:24] <pixelboy_> cfhowlett_: command not found
[12:25] <rypervenche> Amaze-balls: See private message.
[12:27] <fidel_> Exx: top - which shows the cpu-usage and the currently running processes and some additional more general infos
[12:28] <banisterfiend> how do i setup a VPN?
[12:30] <nichlas> banisterfiend: hard work. Go look for a howto. This is not a simple question.
[12:30] <ObrienDave> banisterfiend, i use VPNbook
[12:30] <cfhowlett_> !vpn | banisterfiend
[12:32] <Exx> Exx: I tried running top with pastebinit, but it seems to just work forever. What should I look for?
[12:32] <Exx> fidel_*
[12:34] <philinux> Exx;~ that laptop is an expensive gaming laptop - does windows run fine on it
[12:36] <fidel_> Exx: yes it runs forever - as long as you stop it. you could check how your process situation looks like and what load the system currently has. both only helpful if you know what you are looking for
[12:36] <Exx> philinux: Windows was just fine on it. Ubuntu was as well, then yesterday all of a sudden the computer was super slow. I've had zero problems for many months.
[12:36] <cfhowlett_> Exx that is why I suspected your ram may have gone bad but ... not so.
[12:36] <fidel_> ueber-random-guess: graphic driver? ;)
[12:36] <fidel_> might result in a slow system as well
[12:37] <ntz> I'd guess that 20GB is far enough for lvm root volume ? (separate home and boot), right ?
[12:37] <ntz> for a workstation
[12:37] <juliano> hi
[12:38] <juliano> algum brasileiro ai
[12:38] <cfhowlett_> !brazil| julianwa
[12:38] <Guest84632> algum brasileiro ai
[12:38] <TJ-> ntz: Yes. I usually split it so rootfs is 10GB and a separate /var/ of 10GB
[12:38] <arussel> how do you install postgres 9.1 on trusty ?
[12:38] <Exx> cfhowlett_: Well running from the Live CD seems to work decently. When I was running the installed Ubuntu, it was so slow it was impossible to use. So I still have a feeling it's something wrong with the disk. Yet the "check disk for defects" option didn't find anything..
[12:38] <ntz> TJ-: thanks
[12:39] <cfhowlett_> Exx dual booting?  how does windows act ...
[12:39] <Exx> cfhowlett_: I don't have Windows, I removed it entirely when I installed Ubuntu.
[12:39] <nichlas> Exx: ubuntu also have a windows-like resource manager if that helps
[12:40] <philinux> arussel;~ not sure how old this is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostgreSQL
[12:40] <TJ-> Exx: did you check "/var/log/kern.log" for disk I/O errors or similar - that is where kernel/hardware issues are going to get reported, if there are any
[12:41] <arussel> philinux: I know how to install postgres, my problem is to find the 9.1 package (this is now 9.3 on 14.04)
[12:41] <philinux> arussel;~ ah so yo want an older version
[12:41] <Exx> TJ-: Can't find kern.log in /var/log/
[12:41] <arussel> philinux: yes
[12:42] <TJ-> Exx: Bad sign!
[12:42] <Exx> TJ-: There are other logs in there, just not that one.
[12:42] <TJ-> Exx: are you using the live ISO right now, or the installed instance?
[12:43] <Exx> TJ-: I'm running from the CD.
[12:43] <philinux> arussel;~ someone else might know then
[12:43] <TJ-> Exx: well that'd explain it! The "/var/log/kern.log" of the *installed slow-as-treacle" instance is the one you need
[12:44] <Exx> TJ-: Alright! So I can't access that from the CD?
[12:44] <TJ-> Exx: You'd need to create a mount-point and the mount the *installed* file-system to that mountpoint, then you can read the files from it
[12:45] <TJ-> Exx: E.g. if the *installed* system is in /dev/sda3 you might do from the Live environment: "sudo mkdir -p /mnt/target && sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/target" and then you can browse the *installed* root file-system starting from "/mnt/target/"
[12:46] <knob> Good morning everyone.   Odd question:  I have 14.04 installed.    I have two monitors.  Whenever the mouse crosses from one monitor to another, it gets "stuck" ... Not as in the processors/computer thinking about it.   Stuck as in, if the mouse cursor was looking to interact with the edges of the screen.
[12:47] <TJ-> knob: does the pointer escape if you move the mouse violently?
[12:47] <backSlasher> Do SSD get tr
[12:47] <popey> knob: there's an option in system-settings -> appearance to configure that.
[12:47] <backSlasher> Anyone knows if  SSDs get TRIM automatically on 14.04?
[12:48] <nichlas> arussel: "apt-cache showpkg <package-name>" to see which versions exist
[12:48] <backSlasher> According to mount manpage they don't
[12:48] <popey> knob: sorry, system-settings -> display
[12:48] <popey> knob: it's called "sticky edges"
[12:48] <bcvery> !trim | backSlasher
[12:48] <nichlas> arussel: and "sudo apt-get install <package-name>=<package-version-number>" to install specific version
[12:49] <backSlasher> bcvery, how do I verify it? because the manpage says it doesn't. And doesn't it degrade performance?
[12:49] <Exx> TJ-: Thanks for the help. Now it says unknown filesystem type "crypto_LUKS". Perhaps because the disk is encrypted.
[12:49] <philinux> backSlasher;~ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/trim-ssd-support-enabled-ubuntu-14-04
[12:50] <backSlasher> philinux, I read it, but I still can't find any actual evidence
[12:50] <Exx> TJ-: Do you know how I mount an encrypted disk? I'll see if I find something online..
[12:51] <TJ-> Exx: Yes, use cryptsetup, as in "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 crypt_root" which, once the slot is opened, will give you a device-mapper node "/dev/mapper/crypt_root", then you can do "sudo mount /dev/mapper/crypt-root /mnt/target"
[12:52] <vlt> Exx: I can tell you the non-GUI way: "cryptsetup luksOpen <your_crypted_device> <a_target_name>"
[12:53] <knob> TJ-, yes
[12:53] <knob> popey, on myw ay to check that out.  Thank you.
[12:54] <philinux> backSlasher;~ google foo finds this https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/checkiftrimonext4isenabledandworking
[12:55] <Exx> TJ-: When I run that first command to open it, it says "Cannot use device /dev/sda3 which is in use (already mapped or mounted)"
[12:55] <backSlasher> philinux, yeah I saw that. I might resort to that - right now I'm rummaging through the mount source code to see the defaults
[12:56] <leeyaa> hello
[12:56] <leeyaa> is there a ppa with gitlab available ?
[12:57] <Exx> TJ-: I did open the system using GUI before, perhaps that's the reason.
[13:02] <neo1691> Hello, I am in an organization and they only have 12.04 LTS here, so I got a system with freshly installed 12.04, I went ahead and ran apt-get update. Here are the errors
[13:02] <neo1691> W: GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com precise InRelease: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message
[13:03] <neo1691> W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_source_Sources  Encountered a section with no Package: header
[13:03] <neo1691> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/i18n/Index  No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_i18n_Index
[13:03] <neo1691> I have tried running sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[13:04] <philinux> backSlasher;~ have you seen the man page for fstrim also interesting stuff here http://askubuntu.com/questions/443761/how-is-trim-enabled
[13:04] <neo1691> but still no help. I also changed the server to download to main server, it was my countries server before
[13:04] <neo1691> Also ubuntu software center crashes as soon as I start it
[13:06] <backSlasher> philinux, yeah, just found it. Apperantly it's implemented using fstrim and not "discard"
[13:11] <philinux> neo1691;~ cannot the Organization you work at not help?
[13:11] <BedrettinEkim> türk olan var mı
[13:13] <CatKiller> Hi there! I'm trying to set the default umask for SFTP connections on Ubuntu 12.04 using sshd_config: I tried "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -u 0007" as well as "Subsystem sftp /bin/sh -c 'umask 0002; exec /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server'"
[13:13] <CatKiller> However, even after a SSH service restart ("sudo service ssh restart")
[13:14] <CatKiller> my SFTP connection sstill manage to create files with perms rw-rw-r
[13:15] <CatKiller> Anything else I should set>?
[13:16] <CatKiller> However, even after a SSH service restart ("sudo service ssh restart") all SFTP clients still manage to create files with "all" set to read
[13:16] <CatKiller> whoops
[13:17] <kendrick_> hi, which repositories hold extcalc in them?
[13:17] <billautos> hi
[13:18] <billautos> libre
[13:18] <fosser_josh1> does anyone worked with tsql?
[13:18] <billautos> me
[13:18] <Pici> !info concalc | kendrick_
[13:19] <fosser_josh1> I am trying to connect to MS SQL server. But i am getting error saying login failed
[13:19] <Pici> fosser_josh1: Does this question have anything to do with Ubuntu?
[13:19] <kendrick_> Pici, concalc isn't extcalc though
[13:19] <fosser_josh1> Msg 18456 (severity 14, state 1) from WIN-UB62T4CDJ2S\SQLEXPRESS Line 1: "Login failed for user 'sqladmin'." Error 20002 (severity 9): Adaptive Server connection failed. There was a problem connecting to the server
[13:19] <fosser_josh1> Pici: not really
[13:20] <philinux> kendrick_;~ it not in 14.04
[13:20] <Pici> fosser_josh1: Then perhaps you should ask in something like #sql, not #ubuntu
[13:20] <fosser_josh1> but i am not able to find answer so thought someone must have worked with tsql whi can help me
[13:20] <Pici> kendrick_: ah.. I see that now.
[13:20] <kendrick_> philinux, yes I know. Do I just compile from source?
[13:20] <philinux> kendrick_;~ possibly - last version was for 12.10
[13:21] <kendrick_> philinux, yeah that's what I figured out. I figured it had to have another repository that wasn't directly supported by ubuntu.
[13:21] <kendrick_> alright I get it.. w/e
[13:22] <philinux> kendrick_;~ the default calc does have an advanced mode
[13:24] <kendrick_> philinux, i need a graphics calculator
[13:27] <cfhowlett_> kendrick_ ubuntu can't do everything.  in this instance, your trusty ti_85 might be the more useful tool
[13:27] <jergru> ext-calc might do the trick, but agreed a dedicated graphics calculator may be the way to go
[13:28] <kendrick_> cfhowlett_, i see. Yeah I'll have to get one.
[13:31] <etfb> Upgraded to 14.04, now (for the first time in years) suspend won't work.  I'm getting errors from nouveau, but the nvidia drivers have the same problem (plus a whole pile of others) so I think that's a red herring.  Anyone got any recent experience that might help?
[13:33] <TJ-> etfb: check "/var/log/kern.log" for clues as the system tries to suspend devices
[13:33] <philinux> kendrick_;~ http://linuxappfinder.com/scientificandengineering/math
[13:33] <etfb> I've been exclusively using Ubuntu in one version or another since Edgy, but this might be irritating enough to convince me to try out a different distro, so this is really my last-ditch attempt to find an answer...
[13:34] <etfb> TJ-: booting up the machine in question to try that now...
 Battery is also malfunctioning, so now I plug it in and reboot AGAIN...
[13:38] <philinux> kendrick_;~ you could run debian iunstable n a vm to get extcalc
[13:39] <philinux> kendrick_;~ ah see this for deb http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=357191
[13:40] <paqs> siva
[13:40] <Siva> hi
[13:40] <etfb> It appears to suspend properly, but a second after it all powers off it resumes itself.  Perfectly flawless shutdown and startup, except for the bit where I didn't want it to start up...
[13:40] <paqs> hi
[13:42] <kendrick_> i let ubuntu install itself. how do I tell how much swap I have?
[13:43] <etfb> kendrick_: use gparted and look at what's allocated.
[13:43] <cfhowlett_> kendrick_ during partitionidng, that info will be displaye
[13:43] <Alric> Is there supposed to be a cloud-archive section for trusty?
[13:43] <philinux> kendrick_;~ free -m from terminal
[13:44] <etfb> philinux wins - that's a much quicker solution.
[13:44] <kendrick_> philinux, hey how do I add more swap?
[13:44] <kendrick_> I want like 4 gigs of swap and I only have 1...
[13:44] <etfb> Although free -mh will tell you in human-readable numbers.
[13:45] <cfhowlett_> kendrick_ you can also use gparted to modify partitions, i.e. increase /swap
[13:45] <philinux> kendrick_;~ you'll have to do some partition resizing, backup backup backup
[13:46] <philinux> kendrick_;~ do you intend to hibernate?
[13:47] <amanthakur> Hi guys, i am trying to install pip's package but i am not able to so on Ubuntu. Please help. I am getting this error http://pastebin.com/ReTGn9F5
[13:47] <TJ-> etfb: That is interesting, I once had a notebook that did that, it was something in the NVRAM saved settings of the BIOS
[13:49] <cihhan> How can I pass >> sign to a program as a parameter? What I mean is I want the following work: myprogram >> 1 -- Here I don't want to append my output but instead pass it as a parameter.
[13:49] <kendrick_> philinux, hibernate?
[13:50] <philinux> kendrick_;~ i.e. suspend to disk
[13:50] <helmut_> hi
[13:52] <amanthakur> cihhan, tried ">>" ?
[13:54] <cihhan> amanthakur, let me try :)
[13:56] <amanthakur> ok
[13:58] <cihhan> amanthakur, yep, u r right. thanks a lot
[13:59] <amanthakur> no problem
[13:59] <amanthakur> Hi guys, i am trying to install pip's package but i am not able to so on Ubuntu. Please help. I am getting this error http://pastebin.com/ReTGn9F5
[14:00] <etfb> cihhan: use single quotes instead of double if you can. The difference is minor, but sometimes it matters.  In this case it's fine either way though.
[14:00] <mjayk> amanthakur: have you tried doing what it says and using --upgrade ?sounds like half an install has happened
[14:01] <Pici> amanthakur: you really really really shouldn't use sudo to install packages with pip.  Mixing distribution packages with pypi packages is a recipe for disaster.
[14:01] <zacktu> what's the command line for my linux version?
[14:02] <cfhowlett_> zacktu lsb_release -a
[14:02] <TJ-> zacktu: "uname -r" for kernel version, and/or "lsb_release -r" for Ubuntu release
[14:02] <amanthakur> mjayk, let me try that
[14:03] <amanthakur> Pici, ah ok, i'll remember that from now on. thanks
[14:03] <mjayk> amanthakur: but you should also head the warnings of Pici :)
[14:03] <amanthakur> mjayk, yes sure :)
[14:04] <theUser1241> is there a way to make firefox print better? it always prints the half picture, and on the next page it starts printing the full picture     (ubuntu with pdf printer)
[14:04] <strixUK> php5-fpm is refusing to upgrade (12.04 server), apparently because 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.12 (the current version) didn't finish configuring before php5-common-5.3.10-1ubuntu3.13 got installed.  what do i do to unstick this?
[14:04] <Pici> amanthakur: use virtualenvs or use --user to install in your user's home.
[14:04] <zacktu> thank you to cfhowlett & TJ
[14:05] <cfhowlett_> zacktu happy2help
[14:05] <amanthakur> Pici, i am installing it from root
[14:05] <lukevinc> my KIconEdit is missing the color palette.
[14:07] <amanthakur> mjayk, same output as i showed in the pastebin
[14:07] <amanthakur> same output with upgrade
[14:09] <keviv> So I'm running 14.04 off of a thumb drive, and I decided to make it persistent. So, using gparted, I added a fat32 partition to it, and labeled it casper-rw. So now I have to add the "persistent" boot flag. So I did (from root) gedit /etc/default/grub.conf. I added the flags, saved, no problem. Now I try (again from root) update-grub. But all I get is "/user/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'. What's goin
[14:10] <keviv> * /usr
[14:14] <azazil54> hi
[14:19] <keviv> azazil54: hi lol
[14:20] <keviv> Anyone think they have an idea?
[14:21] <keviv> I'm running 14.04 off of a thumb drive, and I decided to make it persistent. So, using gparted, I added a fat32 partition to it, and labeled it casper-rw. So now I have to add the "persistent" boot flag. So I did (from root) gedit /etc/default/grub.conf. I added the flag, saved, no problem. Now I try (again from root) update-grub. But all I get is "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow' ". What's going o
[14:24] <friendlyfascism> keviv, Do you have a link to doing this?
[14:24] <marcules> hmm I shoudn't have started to move a 200G directory with "mv"
[14:25] <keviv> friendlyfascism: a link? You mean like a tutorial?
[14:26] <friendlyfascism> keviv, I know this can be done however just trying to get to you source of how you think it's done.
[14:26] <friendlyfascism> your*
[14:26] <keviv> Okay, gotchu http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/ubuntu-persistent-live-cd.html
[14:27] <keviv> The problem is, /boot/grub/grub doesn't exist
[14:27] <philinux> keviv;~ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1986594
[14:27] <Shadow}}> Anyone having issues with BleachBit in the latest Xubuntu?
[14:28] <Shadow}}> It causes persistent lag and freezes during its run...
[14:29] <Shadow}}> Left it going all night, Found it sitting on "Wiping Free Disc Space 0 minutes remaining..."
[14:29] <friendlyfascism> keviv, that link has you directly editing boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:29] <philinux> Shadow}};~ i used it once a while back. Never again
[14:30] <ericsonluciano> it that posible to use gnome in xubuntu?
[14:30] <k1l> ericsonluciano: you can isntall the gnome desktop.
[14:30] <Shadow}}> philinux: Despite many flaws it worked just fine on Xubuntu 14.01, Is there an alternative for freespace wiping? And regular old file clean up?
[14:31] <ericsonluciano> it 's have a chance to slow the performance since i'm using an intel atom
[14:31] <keviv> friendlyfascism: Yea 1) I didn't want to do that, cause I know that it can get overwritten by some things (not sure what though) and 2) for some reason it doesn't exist in /boot/grub, though there is a loopback.cfg file
[14:31] <k1l> ericsonluciano: well, on a atom i would consider to use the Lubuntu desktop
[14:31] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Manually deleting files in /var/cache/apt/archives would give you a lot of space.
[14:31] <friendlyfascism> keviv, Which on a install would not be the general route, but here maybe so. I remember it as when making the usb setting up the casper-rw partition than and I think making a small persistent in the install.
[14:32] <philinux> keviv;~ did you see the link i gave ^^
[14:32] <k1l> ericsonluciano: its even a way of old gnome2 look
[14:32] <Shadow}}> Yeahh butt I'm no good at remembering the terminal lines to make deleting strings easy.. If ya tell me I'll forget tomorrow.
[14:32] <Lolendick> i think people in #ubuntu are african people... because ubuntu is created for african people. :-)
[14:32] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Or just use sudo apt-get autoclean
[14:32] <Shadow}}> Autoclean? I'll give it a shot. Thanks
[14:33] <ericsonluciano> kil: okay i will try lubuntu thanks
[14:33] <friendlyfascism> keviv, grub.cfg woulld only be overwritten by upgrading grub, which you would not do on a live anyway, no updates are best
[14:33] <k1l> ericsonluciano: you can install the "lubuntu-desktop" package in your xubuntu isntall and then choose Lubuntu on the login screen
[14:33] <wojtek_> Hello folks, am I right saying that 13.04 was very recently removed from the repositories?
[14:33] <FuzzyWhirlpool> In addition to that, clear firefox/chrome cache using clear history finction which can be invoked by pressing ctrl-shift-del
[14:33] <keviv> philinux: yea I did. I already added the partition though
[14:34] <ericsonluciano> yes
[14:34] <Shadow}}> Aye FuzzyWhirlpool just don't trust Firefox not to send the deleted files straight to another bin off my own system.
[14:34] <philinux> keviv;~ ok but the file to add persistence too is / syslinux / text.cfg
[14:35] <wojtek_> ericsonluciano: any idea when exactly did it happen?
[14:35] <keviv> friendlyfascism: yeah but I wanted to build on top of the default boot settings, cause I'm kinda new to this, and I don't know what else I should add
[14:35] <philinux> keviv;~ see post #4 of that thread
[14:35] <keviv> K
[14:35] <Adibada> Hey people. I'm just curious, I like the Desktop Environment "Enlightenment" a lot, but would it be stupid to put it on top of Ubuntu? Anyone experienced with this? Drawbacks, et cetera? :)
[14:35] <ericsonluciano> wojtek im just asking since i want the interface of gnome
[14:35] <keviv> philinux: wait what? /syslinux?
[14:35] <FuzzyWhirlpool> There are also many files on /var partition that can be safely deleted. For example, old logs which occupy /var/log directory.
[14:35] <Shadow}}> Haven't seen et cetera spelled in.....so many years.. Wow.. Neat.
[14:35] <k1l> Adibada: you can install a variety of desktops on top of the ubuntu base. just go for it
[14:36] <Shadow}}> Soo pretty much I noticed everything bleachbit deletes is in ?/var/?
[14:36] <philinux> keviv;~ folder on the usb stick
[14:36] <wojtek_> @all Any idea when 13.04 (raring) was removed from archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring ?
[14:37] <nyker> is it possible to use the data merge feature in gLables 3.0.0 to include images?
[14:37] <k1l> !info e17 | Adibada
[14:37] <Shadow}}> o_O
[14:38] <keviv> philinux: I have a cdrom/syslinux.cfg
[14:38] <keviv> Is that it?
[14:38] <Shadow}}> It recieved enlightenment and quit?
[14:38] <ericsonluciano> thanks guys
[14:39] <FuzzyWhirlpool> I think because it's no longer supported.
[14:39] <Shadow}}> Soo. Are there any other BleachBit like apps?
[14:39] <FuzzyWhirlpool> ubuntu-tweak is also better alternative.
[14:39] <k1l> !away > Power_OFF
[14:39] <k1l> dont use ubuntu-tweak etc.
[14:39] <Shadow}}> Lol...helpful.
[14:40] <k1l> that will most possible break your ubuntu and its not even ubuntus fault
[14:40] <Shadow}}> So will Bleachbit given the chances.
[14:40] <k1l> Shadow}}: what do you want to do anyway?
[14:41] <keviv> friendlyfascism: I have a /boot/grub/ which only has gfxblacklist.txt and grubenv
[14:41] <k1l> Shadow}}: dont run into the trap "i need tuneup utlities" like on windows
[14:41] <Shadow}}> My Bleachbit doesn't work properly since upgrading, Wanting an alternative.
[14:41] <philinux> keviv;~ info here but might be out of date https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent#Making_the_drive_bootable
[14:41] <keviv> Then there's /cdrom/boot/grub, which has loopback.cfg
[14:41] <friendlyfascism> keviv, The link philinux is correct cs.cameron is the guy on this.
[14:41] <keviv> philinux: I think I read that, but I'll try it again
[14:42] <Shadow}}> Lol k1l, Naw. I'm not trying to tune anything and if I was I'd ask here till I annoyed enough people and accomplished the tweaking.
[14:42] <philinux> friendlyfascism;~ +1 cs.cameron
[14:42]  * FuzzyWhirlpool is yawning.
[14:44] <keviv> philinux: actually that looks promising, except I don't know where to place that file. In /boot/grub/ or /cdrom/boot/grub/ or overwrite /cdrom/syslinux.cfg
[14:44] <beta> is there no button to mnimize everything? thee used to be one...
[14:49] <compengi> Hello everyone, I messed up accidentally my /etc/passwd file on the server. Now I booted the server into a recovery mode and I can see that in /etc/passwd- the old users are backed up, but I can't copy passwd- to passwd because it's read-only. I also only have root ssh access, how can I work overright the file?
[14:50] <LordXe-gnu> compengi: maybe try "mount / -o remount,rw"
[14:51] <neo1691> I just installed a new ubuntu 14.04 lts this time and now, I want to know if I have a proxy, I have to set it in /etc/environment and /etc/apt/apt.conf right? Or is there anywhere do I need to set it?
[14:51] <compengi> LordXe-gnu:  mount: permission denied
[14:51] <keviv> friendlyfascism: which of the three places is the right one?
[14:51] <compengi> LordXe-gnu: The server is booted in some kind of a virtual box by the provider
[14:52] <keviv> compengi: whoami maybe? Check you're really root
[14:52] <compengi> keviv: it says root
[14:52] <keviv> Hmm
[14:53] <compengi> keviv: This is a backup boot provided by the provider. My files lie in /repair/
[14:55] <compengi> keviv: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45 Jul 15 15:40 etc/passwd
[14:55] <keviv> compengi: mount | grep "/ "
[14:55] <compengi> keviv: /dev/vzfs on / type reiserfs (rw,usrquota,grpquota)
[14:56] <keviv> Oh it's already r/w
[14:56] <keviv> And you obviously have write permissions for it
[14:56] <keviv> Sorry I'm not going to be any help to you
[14:56] <compengi> keviv: yeah, but when I edit it, I can't save it
[14:57] <keviv> What are you using to edit?
[14:57] <compengi> keviv: vim
[14:57] <keviv> K
[14:58] <keviv> Maybe try sudo vim?
[14:58] <keviv> Or if it's the graphic version, then gksu vim
[14:59] <joshua7> hello
[14:59] <misheque> compengi: sorry, I joined late, what is the problem, a permission on a file or on an entire mount point?
[15:00] <joshua7> can some one help me get a theme for ubuntu 14.04 lts
[15:01] <compengi> keviv: when I use edit: Warning: unknown mime-type for "etc/passwd" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[15:01] <jhutchins> !theme
[15:01] <keviv> misheque: compengi's trying to edit /etc/passed. The fs is r/w, and root has rwx, and he is root
[15:02] <subcool> whats the command to see the value of a folders size
[15:02] <subcool> ds? dh?
[15:02] <subcool> cli ofcourse
[15:03] <jhutchins> compengi: What does vim say when you try to save?
[15:03] <compengi> keviv: can't I just change file permissions
[15:03] <ikonia> du
[15:03] <subcool> ahhh DISK USAGE
[15:03] <subcool> THANKS
[15:03] <compengi> jhutchins: "etc/passwd" E212: Can't open file for writing
[15:03] <keviv> compengi: if vim is being launched in root, then they should be right. But maybe try changing to mode 777
[15:03] <jhutchins> compengi: That soulds like a filesystem error.
[15:04] <keviv> BIT MAKE SURE TO CHANGE IT BACK IF IT WORKS
[15:04] <misheque> keviv, compegi: maybe something like this: 1. backup (sudo cp /etc/passwd /etc/passwd.bak) 2. delete (sudo rm /etc/passwd) 3. restore (sudo mv /etc/passwd.bak /etc/passwd) 4. double-check file permissions
[15:04] <compengi> keviv: Ok, I will try, but what's the default
[15:04] <jhutchins> compengi: If you are root and can not edit /etc/passwd then there is a filesystem problem.
[15:05] <jhutchins> Note: most installations have vipw which will sanity check your changes.
[15:05] <keviv> Compengi: You have 744 right mow
[15:05] <misheque> keviv, compegi: be careful though, after deleting /etc/passwd and before restoring you cannot do sudo anymore
[15:05] <misheque> so preferably sudo su
[15:05] <misheque> then backup delete and restore
[15:05] <keviv> Misheque: just delete? Not format?
[15:06] <misheque> well, at least you will know if you have enough permissions to delete
[15:06] <keviv> Gotchu
[15:06] <misheque> perhaps even that u won't be ab;e to do
[15:06] <jhutchins> That's a very bad idea.
[15:06] <subcool> um... ikonia wait= thats listing all the files..
[15:06] <philinux> keviv;~ me would start again with disk creator and set persistence
[15:06] <subcool> im looking for the value of the folders,.
[15:06] <jhutchins> subcool: -s
[15:06] <misheque> anyways, if everything else fails, just boot from live cd/usb (any version of ubuntu) and edit your /etc/passwd from there
[15:06] <jhutchins> subcool: See the man page for other options.
[15:07] <keviv> Philinux: okay that's probably a better idea. I honestly can't remember why I wanted to add it after the fact
[15:07] <subcool> k- thanks.
[15:07] <philinux> keviv;~ quicker too
[15:08] <keviv> Philinux: any way to make the persistent partition windows- and mac-usable?
[15:09] <philinux> keviv;~ iirc the disk creator created a fat32 file system
[15:09] <philinux> so it would boot on a windows machine
[15:10] <compengi> keir: nope no luck even with chmod 777 it says read-only. I'm currently reverty the server to the last backup state
[15:10] <keviv> Philinux: Oh so disk creator makes a persistence file, not a partition?
[15:11] <philinux> keviv;~ I think so. any spare disk space can be used to transport files around
[15:12] <misheque> keviv: wondering, why would you need to access persistence file from windows/mac?
[15:13] <keviv> Misheque: I was hoping to unzip a file into the persistent file
[15:14] <misheque> keviv: but do you need to do it in order to alter ubuntu's configuration, or is it just about adding some data?
[15:14] <Ascavasaion> I just tried to move a file from my laptop's hard disk to an external hard disk.  I was using Nautilus.  There was an error, and now the original file is gone, and on the external HDD the destination directory is inaccessible with Nautilus, but if I use Terminal I can access the directory, and do a directory listing with ls -l.  However the file I copied is there but there is a ? for permissions, user, owner, filesize, and the da
[15:14] <Ascavasaion> te.  Please can someone help me to retrieve the file.
[15:14] <misheque> keviv: i ask, because if u just want to be able to push data to/from ubuntu you do not need to access persistance file at all
[15:15] <kelvinella> Hi, I want to buy a laptop that can run ubuntu, I prefer ASUS.  How do I know if the laptop can run ubuntu without problems like wifi driver, video card driver, etc?  Is there a list on the internet which I can check the compatibility of linux for laptop?
[15:15] <keviv> Misheque: how then?
[15:15] <misheque> Ascavasaion: boot your laptop from live cd/usb, then chkdisk your partition
[15:16] <Walex> kelvinella: Ubuntu have a long hardware compatibility list, but it does not cover everythinfg
[15:16] <LucidGuy> Anyone familiar with ipmitool?
[15:16] <misheque> keviv: i'm guessing you have your persistence file or bootable usb? just create extra fat32 partition on that usb device
[15:16] <Walex> kelvinella: if you have access to such a laptop, you can use an Ubuntu Live 14.04 CD/DVD
[15:16] <friendlyfascism> LucidGuy, Fir help state the actual issue
[15:16] <kelvinella> I cant try the liveCD in store
[15:17] <misheque> when u boot from the usb, you wlill be able to access it, but then when you just plug usb in windows/mac - you will also be able to access it
[15:17] <kelvinella> Walex, can I have the list?
[15:17] <Walex> kelvinella: alternatively just buy a known-working laptop by reading reviews.
[15:17] <Walex> kelvinella: it is on their site...
[15:17] <LucidGuy> friendlyfascism, why bother with lengthy question if nobody is familiar with the subject?
[15:17] <lawrencerosenf-1>  im creating partitions for ubuntu but was wondering if i wanted to host a server wheter it would be better to partition 20 gb for root and then 80 gb for the user accounts that will host the actual server content. or wheter to just have a bit 100 gb root partition. cheers!
[15:17] <kelvinella> Walex, what site?
[15:17] <Walex> kelvinella: you could also consider the Dell XPS 13 Ubuntu/developer edition
[15:17] <friendlyfascism> !ask | LucidGuy because that is how it works
[15:17] <Walex> kelvinella: the Ubuntu site...
[15:17] <kelvinella> Walex, dell sucks
[15:18] <Walex> kelvinella: the Dell Ubuntu laptop is pretty good
[15:18] <kelvinella> Walex, not as solid as ASUS
[15:18] <Walex> kelvinella: and absolutely everything works, they did quite a bit of work.
[15:18] <Walex> kelvinella: depends which ASUS too
[15:19] <kelvinella> Walex, I want ASUS X750JB
[15:19] <Walex> kelvinella: but the only way to be sure is to read a review from a GNU/Linux related magazine who have tried it; also almost all tests are with Ubuntu 12.04 so far, so 14.04 should be better
[15:20] <Walex> kelvinella: there are also, depending on country, some small companies that sell preconfigured/preinstaled Ubuntu laptops
[15:20] <Walex> kelvinella: that's an enormous laptop. Oh well.
[15:21] <keviv> Misheque: oh duh. That would work perfectly. And then I might as well make the boot partition ext4 then
[15:21] <keviv> On won't need that on win
[15:21] <keviv> *I
[15:23] <keviv> Misheque: so why is making a lice USB so different than legit installing? Like why is the footprint so much smaller?
[15:24] <keviv> Misheque: and it seems to boot faster
[15:24] <misheque> keviv:persistence file is usefull for "remembering" system's settings - it is not needed for just exchanging data
[15:24] <arussel> how do you set the time after changing the timezone in /etc/timezone ?
[15:24] <keviv> Or is that just 14.04 working it's magic?
[15:24] <mjuszczak> Quick question.  I want to use nginx but compile in the upload module.  Instead of building a package from scratch, which is what i was trying to do up until this morning, it seems to make more sense to modify the existing nginx package to just support my configure flags and rebundle -- is that a good direction?  So essentially use bzr to fetch the package?
[15:25] <misheque> keviv: if you don't use persistence, you can store debs on an extra partition, but only with persistence you can install your debs and have your installation "remebered"
[15:25] <misheque> without it you'd have to install your debs over and over again after every reboot
[15:27] <keviv> Misheque: I used to run I think 12.04 off of a external hard drive (USB). It took up around 4 GB, but the boot partition for this live USB is a little less than a gig. Why the difference in size?
[15:27] <misheque> keviv: and for same reasons sometimes you do not want persistence at all, ie if you boot your usb live ubuntu on different machines, then you don't want to install some proprietary driver only to find, that your wifi won't work when you boot your usb from another computer with different hardware
[15:27] <keviv> Makes sense
[15:28] <misheque> keviv: not sure if I understood your question, can you rephrase?
[15:28] <misheque> keviv: you used 4G usb drive, and installed live ubuntu on it, then what is about the 1G space?
[15:28] <keviv> Actually installing Ubuntu takes up 4GB, but using a live USB uses 1GB
[15:29] <keviv> 2 different devices
[15:29] <misheque> sure, because when u actually install ubuntu, it installs lot of additional packages that the live image does not have
[15:29] <TJ-> keviv: For one thing, the Live image is stored in a highly compressed squash file-system
[15:30] <keviv> misheque: anything important that I'm missing?
[15:30] <misheque> also the other way around, if u run live usb you will for example have gparted, but if you fully install fresh ubuntu, gparted won't be installed, you'll have to apt-get it yourself
[15:30] <keviv> What why is it like that?
[15:30] <keviv> TJ- any downsides to that? Like io times, etc.
[15:31] <misheque> keviv: because live image and actual install have different objectives, are optimized for different goals
[15:31] <keviv> Oh like standard use vs recovery
[15:31] <misheque> live image to be "light", low footprint\
[15:32] <TJ-> keviv: I/O times are more affected by the medium, such as DVD or USB2 vs an HDD or SSD
[15:32] <misheque> keviv: think of it as if live image was a preview, that you can extend according to your liking, but that our off the box comes slim
[15:33] <misheque> whereas the actual install assumes that this is what you will be using as a full blown user, plus you will probably not be constrained by a small size of a removable media, etc. and it by defaults will install some additional things
[15:34] <misheque> YJ: I/O times do play a role here, but let's not remember that initrd will actually go straight to RAM in case of live usb/cd
[15:34] <misheque> *not forget
[15:35] <keviv> Misheque: I get that the live version would be more stripped down, bit I was wondering why it might have tools that the standard install DOESN'T
[15:35] <TJ-> keviv: I think you were talking about a persistent multi-boot USB key earlier. I have that, I install a minimal ubuntu non-GUI to a USB as an external hard drive, that can boot on 32 bit and 64-bit architectures, with every possible driver and recovery tool installed. Requires about 1.5GB total
[15:35] <kendrick_> How do I get gnome3 ad my desktop environment?
[15:35] <accent> hi
[15:35] <keviv> Misheque: I was thinking that people use it more for recovery
[15:36] <accent> how are you there
[15:36] <clown_> - -
[15:36] <keviv> TJ- I figured I can use the 32 on any arch. Any issues with that?
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: what do you have now?
[15:37] <FuzzyWhirlpool> I wonder if 3.13 kernel will be upgraded to 3.14
[15:37] <misheque> keviv: that is one of the ways u can use it. But also, u can take ubuntu with u, and use it on any PC that the bios allows you to boot from it, without wondering what OS is onstalled on it
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: what is your present desktop environment?
[15:37] <TJ-> keviv No, I have a 32-bit userland with 32 and 64-bit kernels
[15:38] <misheque> keviv: I have suber tiny pendrive attached to my keys, so I almost always hv it with me, but I do not always carry my laptop along. If i get access to any computer anyway, I can boot ubuntu on it from my pendrive
[15:38] <misheque> if i hv persistence file, I don't hv to install my software and set my settings the way I like every time
[15:38] <TJ-> keviv: From that 32-bit userland I have a 64-bit chroot environment, too.
[15:38] <ajax0x217> And I land on the planet of IRC
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: and what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[15:39] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, it is unity the default.
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: no, that is a shell
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: its a plugin for Compiz
[15:39] <keviv> So I thought I had "lost" my HDD for about 4 months. Guess where it was?
[15:39] <keviv> My desk. Where it's supposed to be.
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: if you are using Unity then you are using Gnome3 as the desktop environment
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: Unity does not replace gnome
[15:40] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, how do I switch it to gnome3?
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: you have it
[15:40] <ajax0x217> Lol!! <keviv>
[15:40] <keviv> TJ- so you have 2 64-bot environments on it?
[15:40] <keviv> *bit
[15:40] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, why did i just sudo apt-get install gnome then lol?
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: if you install gnome-shell from the official repos, log off and log in then you will be using the default Gnome shell for Gnome
[15:40] <xubuntu> hi
[15:40] <kendrick_> oic
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: you already have gnome installed, like I told you. Unity is not a DE so does not replace Gnome. You can run Compiz in LXDE if you wish
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: and you will then be able to run Unity shell
[15:42] <Mcmn> Hi. If ubuntu updates are downloaded over plain text HTTP without HTTPS, how can I know a MITM won't send me some evil updates to take over my computer?
[15:43] <xubuntu__> hi
[15:43] <xubuntu_> hi im trying xubuntu  in live but evrything is laggy
[15:43] <xubuntu_> why
[15:43] <xubuntu_> everything works but mous and all things lags a lot
[15:44] <ikonia> xubuntu_: is it visutally laggy, or slow to actually do things
[15:44] <xubuntu_> ikonia, it lags when i scroll pages when i move mouse and for the menu etc etc
[15:45] <keviv> Yeah I was having the same problem actually
[15:45] <keviv> Just visual
[15:45] <ikonia> xubuntu_: right, think about what I@ve said
[15:45] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell      log off and log into gnome shell session and you will have the official shell for Gnome
[15:45] <ikonia> xubuntu_: is it just visually slow, or is it slow at actually doing things/tasks too
[15:45] <xubuntu_> ikonia, i think visually
[15:45] <xubuntu_> ikonia,  i can tell you my hw if you remember the command
[15:45] <ikonia> xubuntu_: so the first point to check would be your video card, it's support under linux, and it's current configuration
[15:45] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, thanks
[15:46] <Mcmn> xubuntu_: I think, your computer needs some graphics driver software that is not installed on live cd.
[15:46] <xubuntu_> Mcmn, how can i get that.. i-m a newbie
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: what is the output of:   sudo lshw -C display
[15:46] <ajax0x217> I agree with Xubuntu
[15:47] <Glycan> Hi. My computer has tiny (750MB) RAM. I normally manage quite well just in a TTY, but now I have to do quite a bit of work doing stuff online that doesn't render in links (the browser). Is there any way I can make chrome run faster, maybe by dedicating more resources to it
[15:47] <Glycan> ?
[15:47] <keviv> Mcmm live 10.04 and 12.04 work fine, but 14.04 is really laggy, but only work the mouse
[15:47] <Mcmn> Hi. If ubuntu updates are downloaded over plain text HTTP without HTTPS, how can I know a MITM won't send me some evil updates to take over my computer?
[15:47] <ikonia> Glycan realistically - no
[15:48] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799031/
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: oh god those are always painful
[15:48] <keviv> Mcmn ^^
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: you may need to formulate an xorg.conf file to make it load the relevant driver.
[15:48] <keviv> Sorry I spelled your nick wrong
[15:49] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, im not able to do that
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: sure you can, you just need to learn and research
[15:49] <Glycan> ikonia: could you explain why, please?
[15:49] <ikonia> Glycan because your OS will give whatever it can to the applications running
[15:49] <Glycan> ikonia: I remember reading something I didn't really understand enough about nicity and so forth...
[15:49] <ikonia> Glycan: so if it's not giving it more when it asks for it
[15:50] <ikonia> there is nothing more to give
[15:50] <ikonia> Glycan: what desktop environment are you running ?
[15:50] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, ok what do i gotta do
[15:50] <Glycan> ikonia: lubuntu
[15:50] <Glycan> er
[15:50] <Glycan> xfce I think
[15:50] <ikonia> Glycan may want to try lubuntu
[15:50] <Glycan> I am using lubuntu
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: search online for sample xorg.conf files for an S3 UniChrome Pro
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: you're not really going to get much better
[15:51] <ajax0x217> I agree with Xubuntu?
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: you can tune/tweak/nice but it's not going to make any realistic improvement if your machine is running out of resources
[15:51] <Glycan> surely there are a bunch of background processes that I could give less resources?
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: kill anything you're not using
[15:51] <keviv> Glycan: why not just buy a RAM stick?
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: any applications/jobs/processes that you don't need, stop/kill them
[15:51] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, thank you. anyway that-s not slow. but seeing it its slow. you got what i mean_
[15:52] <ajax0x217> quit
[15:52] <Glycan> actually, how would I go about finding out why exactly it lags?
[15:52] <keviv> They're not expensive
[15:52] <Glycan> keviv: RAM stick?
[15:52] <keviv> Laptop or desktop?
[15:52] <keviv> Glycan ^^
[15:52] <Glycan> laptop
[15:52] <Glycan> Dell D400.
[15:52] <ikonia> Glycan: the other option is that your video card is not setup right, and it's visually slow to render/draw but there are no other resource issues
[15:53] <keviv> http://www.newegg.com/Laptop-Memory/SubCategory/ID-381
[15:53] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, so the probelm is only gpu?
[15:53] <keviv> Glycan ^^
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: there is no driver loaded for it, there is an opensource driver available but udev doesnt seem to have picked it up
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: either that or your display isnt reporting EDID correctly
[15:54] <Glycan> keviv: I'll check it out, thanks.
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: you wont get 3D accelleration or 3D gaming with that GPU under Linux
[15:54] <Mcmn> Hi. If ubuntu updates are downloaded over plain text HTTP without HTTPS, how can I know a MITM won't send me some evil updates to take over my computer?  So is it only if I download new releases and compare hashsum. Other times it's not safe for me if I use update manager because they download on plain http??
[15:54] <Glycan> ikonia: that sounds very possible, how would I go about finding that out?
[15:54] <Glycan> ikonia: and generally tuning/tweaking general
[15:55] <ikonia> Glycan: tuning/tweaking won't get you anywhere if you are out of resources
[15:55] <Glycan> ikonia: at all?
[15:55] <kasiisomi> looking for recovery tool  cuz testdisk fails  to recover the drive
[15:55] <ikonia> Glycan: look at what video card you've got, what xorg module it should use, check it's using it and configured correctrly
[15:55] <ikonia> Glycan: if you're out of resources, your out of resources....
[15:56] <keviv> And Glycan, depending on where you live, you might have a store that would be cheaper, BUT not all ram is created equally. You'll have to read some reviews/tech blogs to figure out what the best balance between price and performance is for you
[15:56] <Mcmn> ActionParsnip: Can u please help me with my question?
[15:57] <Glycan> keviv, ikonia: thank you
[15:57] <Glycan> ikonia: how does swap factor in?
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: because there is a hash of each package which is checked when it is downloaded
[15:57] <ikonia> it makes your machine slow as it's swapping out
[15:57] <ikonia> Glycan: again - if you're out of resources, you're out of resources
[15:57] <Glycan> I don't follow.
[15:58] <Mcmn> ActionParsnip: but even that hashfile can be changed according to the changed update files if MITM decides, can't he?
[15:58] <ikonia> Glycan: you have resources, you have applications/OS asking for resources, if they want more than you have - your machine slows down while it swaps
[15:58] <Glycan> I have space on my drive (I mostly keep my stuff online) - wouldn't increasing swap help?
[15:58] <Glycan> oh
[15:58] <keviv> Mcmn, isn't there a way to do http only
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: you will need more RAM if you want less swapping
[15:58] <Glycan> What would increasing swap do?
[15:58] <ikonia> make things worse
[15:59] <Glycan> ...really? how?
[15:59] <Glycan> I mean memory allocated to the swap partition
[15:59] <ikonia> Glycan: please try to understand "if you don't have enough resources" - you do not have enough resources, you can't "trick" or "cheat it"
[15:59] <ikonia> memory allocated to the swap partition ???
[15:59] <robairt> Is this like a vm or something?
[16:00] <Glycan> When partitioning, you allocate a certain amount of your drive to be the partition used as swap, no?
[16:00] <ikonia> Glycan: thats right
[16:00] <Glycan> Right, so if you have more of that, why would things be worse?
[16:00] <Glycan> wouldn't you have to swap less if you have more memory to swap into?
[16:00] <Glycan> less times*
[16:00] <ikonia> Glycan: because more software that "should" be running in nice fast ram, is swapped out to bad slow disk
[16:00] <ikonia> Glycan: and everytime it wants to use that resource, it has to swap it in/out of ram/disk which is work
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: how much RAM do you have?
[16:01] <Mcmn> keviv http = no security. So I wonder if a MITM can changed files,he can also change hashsums accordingly?
[16:01] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: 750MB
[16:01] <Mcmn> keviv to match the sums with changed files?
[16:01] <keviv> Mcmn, sorry I meant https
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: I think you are being too paranoid. Debian has worked this way fr years.
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: 1Gb RAM costs peanuts
[16:01] <Spec> Mcmn: if you're talking about packages over http -- they are signed cryptographically
[16:02] <Spec> Mcmn: can't correctly calculate a *signed* hash
[16:02] <Glycan> ikonia: hang on, but surely having less available swap doesn't make things better...
[16:02] <ikonia> Glycan: it can do
[16:02] <Spec> sorry, keviv, ^
[16:02] <ikonia> Glycan: or it just doesn't get used/wasted
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: how much swap space do you have currently?
[16:02] <keviv> Mcmn, no it's my bad
[16:02] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: uhh, just a moment
[16:03] <Mcmn> Spec that means even if hashsums are changed by mitm on route, then cryptographically checking the hashsum file will fail and warn the user?
[16:03] <Spec> yes
[16:03] <Spec> or it'll be re(signed) by the attacker, and it'll tell you you don't trust the signature
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: you need to chillout dude, they aren't coming to get you
[16:03] <Spec> ActionParsnip: that attitude is a dangerous one, many package distribution things have been the target of sophisticated attacks.
[16:04] <Spec> the better attitude is knowing there are cryptographic processes in place that prevent these attacks
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> Spec: so the average user (aimed at the average PC user) needs to know this stuff?
[16:04] <Spec> ActionParsnip: if they care about it, they can be assured.
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: free -m | tail -n 1 | awk {'print $4'}
[16:05] <Mcmn> Spec Does update manager know which signatures to trust by default? So if i compare hashsums when downloading iso of new release, that is enough to get trustable signatures known by update manager?
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: signatures are in the debian key ring
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: apt-key list to see them all
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> Spec: I let the system do its job, nice and easy
[16:05] <Mcmn> Spec: ActionParsnip: Thanks for the help. Have a nice day!
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: oh, well, downloading iso from new release, that's slightly different
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: downloading an iso you should get the md5sum or sha1sum from HTTPS
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: plus using torrents helps too
[16:06] <Spec> Mcmn: but the iso need not be from https, just the checksum
[16:06] <Spec> it's also a good idea anyways, to verify the integrity of the download.
[16:07] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: that's free, don't you want total swap? and it's the same as my RAM - 750
[16:07] <Mcmn> Spec: Thanks, i understand now. I will read up on this,
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: free shows swap too
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: run:   free -m      you will see the full output
[16:10] <keviv> Spec: how do you know that the original image wasn't altered? Like when you're just burning a live cd
[16:10] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: I mean, that's free swap, and not total swap, what your command would of shown.
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: my command just carves out the amount of assigned swap space in the system
[16:10] <Spec> keviv: take md5sum and comapre with md5sum from distributer, that you received over SSL
[16:10] <keviv> Spec: true true
[16:10] <Spec> keviv: and/or, grab the *signed md5sum* file and verify the signature first, and then verify the md5sum of the iso
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: ah then {'print $2'} instead of {'print $4'}
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: my bad
[16:11] <Glycan> (I'm a noob, but not a script kiddie...)
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: well, you can count ;)
[16:11] <Glycan> :D
[16:12] <oscarhbp> como instalo hdmi
[16:13] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, i searched for somethign about this gpu and xorg.conf but i dind-t get anything of what i read
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> !es | oscarhbp
[16:13] <keviv> Glycan: I don't get that term. I've yet to meet one. Like plenty of noobs (myself included) and that's fine, but I don't know anyone who just blindly hoardes scripts and doesn't know how they work
[16:13] <xubuntu_> im a newbie
[16:14] <xubuntu_> i wanted to replace xp for xubuntu on my uncle-s pc but .... i think i gotta switch back to xp and i-m sad of that
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: XP is no longer supported by Microsoft. I wouldnt bother with it.
[16:16] <keviv> Speaking of XP, are there any good XP Luna themes for unity? Like to draw less attention to tour screen
[16:16] <Glycan> keviv: I personally know at least one person who blindly pastes scripts hoping that they'll work (although with the intent of fixing his computer, however) and I've heard of myriad others - moreover, I don't feel like there's anything particualrly bad in that if they're honest about it (if it's not a priority for them).
[16:16] <Ascavasaion> I tried to move a file from my laptop's hard disk to an external hard disk.  I was using Nautilus.  There was an error, and now the original file is gone, and on the external HDD the destination directory is inaccessible with Nautilus, but if I use Terminal I can access the directory, and do a directory listing with ls -l.  However the file I copied is there but there is a ? for permissions, user, owner, filesize, and the date.
[16:16] <Ascavasaion> Please can someone help me to retrieve the file.
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: is there scope in the system to upgrade the GPU?
[16:17] <keviv> Glycan: yea but I think the connotation is that they aren't up front about it. Like they claim they're soopur haxx0rz and shit
[16:17] <oscarhbp> ok muchas gracias
[16:17] <Glycan> keviv: yes, it generally is
[16:18] <daniel32> hi all. hope you're enjoying this lovely day. can I use the ubuntu startup disc creator to make a multiboot disc? i have a couple of different ubuntu-based distros I need to demonstrate to some people...
[16:18] <Glycan> ikonia: your previous comment about video cards not being configured properly - you mean the drivers, right?
[16:19] <keviv> Glycan: actually now that I think about it, I do know a couple: one who's up front about it, and then one who "hacked together" his own "api" for OS X that can unlock it from the inside
[16:19] <xangua> daniel32: no, you can't use it to create a multiboot disc
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> daniel32: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[16:20] <keviv> And I'm no OS X wiz, but I thought that the reason that TeamViewer is crippled on OS X is cause there's no exposed system call to unlock a session
[16:20] <keviv> Glycan ^^
[16:20] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> gabriela responde
[16:21] <keviv> creeperexplosiv, when did you say something?
[16:21] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> por el chat se creto
[16:21] <gowtham> help
[16:21] <Glycan> keviv: I've used an apple device maybe five times in my life.
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> gowtham: wassup
[16:21] <MACscr> hmm, should i be doing this a different way in order to get the proper linux-source package installed with using a static kernel version?
[16:21] <Glycan> I am not in a position to answer.
[16:21] <MACscr> http://pastie.org/pastes/9394045/text?key=a02ldaxvchhiecu8eovw
[16:22] <Lope> https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase - When I try secure erase my SSD by following the steps here, the command finishes in 0.6 sec... Any ideas?
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> !find linux-source
[16:22] <keviv> Glycan haha yeah they're not much to my liking
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> Lope: try dban to clear deives, or dd
[16:22] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, is there a way to upgrade gpu excluding this one lagging?
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: is the system a desktop or a laptop?
[16:22] <rubytor> CREEEPEREXPLOSIV: la mayoria aqui habla ingles.... si quieres puedes preguntar en #ubuntu-es
[16:22] <Lope> ActionParsnip: not a bad idea but isn't secure erase a better method?
[16:22] <robairt> or a potato
[16:23] <daniel32> thanks actionparsnip
[16:23] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> gabrielaa
[16:23] <keviv> Rubytor: what other languages are there support communities for?
[16:23]  * idefinehell 
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> Lope: with a single sweep, the data is gone. It is a secure sweep
[16:24] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> por elchat secreto
[16:24] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, desktop
[16:24] <TJ-> MACscr: "apt-cache search ^linux-source" will show you want the package "linux-source-3.13.0"
[16:24] <the_gryffyn> Hey, guys!
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: then buy a cheap Nvidia graphic card and install it. You will be fine
[16:24] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, i can try to replace the gpu with another one if there is a way to exluding this one and make in way this one will not work
[16:24] <MACscr> TJ-: ok, so how do i do it in dynamic fashion like i can for the headers?
[16:24] <rubytor> keviv: honestly I don't know... I just speak spanish and english therefore I know both channels
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: you will need to disable the S3 GPU in BIOS
[16:25] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, but i think it-s integrated no? so can i exclude this from the system?
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: chck your system to see what sort it will take.
[16:25] <keviv> Rubytor: gotchu
[16:25] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, ok thank you. i think i can find another gpu without paying anything in my father-s office.. so i-lll try that. tahnk you very uch
[16:25] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> gabi conetate pli
[16:25] <Pici> keviv: Lots. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList (the Local Ubuntu Channels part)
[16:26] <daniel32> by the by, whats the unique selling point for xubuntu these days, othe than for people who like xfce? I thought it was billed as a smaller, faster ubuntu. but both 14.04s have the same system requirements, apparently...
[16:26] <rubytor> keviv: try #ubuntu-.. then the first 2 letters of the lenguage
[16:26] <kantlivelong> is there a way to disable Aero in Chromium 34?
[16:27] <TheNig> hi altogether
[16:27] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, anyway., for now, im gonna try with lubuntu. do you think im wasting my time until ill change gpu?
[16:27] <keviv> Pici: damn that's a ton! And why is there one for each state?
[16:27] <xubuntu_> im sorry for my bad english but thats not my first language
[16:27] <Pici> keviv: user groups
[16:27] <keviv> ?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: lubuntu is lighter still, may help
[16:28] <the_gryffyn> Each state?
[16:28] <the_gryffyn> I think you are wrong about that.
[16:28] <TJ-> MACscr: You can't - easily - the latest source package is always found by "linux-generic"
[16:28] <keviv> The_gryffyn: check that link
[16:28] <kantlivelong> srry. Aura
[16:28] <Pici> keviv: They are local user groups. LoCo teams.
[16:29] <MACscr> TJ-: actually wouldnt just linux-source do it?
[16:29] <the_gryffyn> keviv, which link?
[16:29] <keviv> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[16:30] <TJ-> MACscr: it will, yes
[16:30] <TheNig> hi, lxde or xfce for better performance (on old computers)
[16:30] <the_gryffyn> keviv, sorry. Yes, you are right. That is weird.
[16:30] <TheNig> ?
[16:31] <keviv> The_gryffyn: NP. I thought that's weird myself
[16:31] <keviv> Pici: what are they for
[16:31] <keviv> ?
[16:31] <Pici> keviv: Ever heard of a LUG? They're like that, but for Ubuntu.
[16:31] <the_gryffyn> keviv, I believe that those channels are for the Ubuntu Teams in each state.
[16:31] <Pici> yes
[16:32] <keviv> OK gotchu
[16:32] <keviv> Do they actually meet in person sometimes?
[16:32] <TJ-> MACscr: If you want the source to match a particular kernel version though - not the latest - you're better off using e.g. "git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-utopic.git ubuntu-utopic" and then checkout the relevant release tag with "git checkout ..."
[16:33] <the_gryffyn> keviv, I assume so, but they just have so many people spread out that IRC is easier.
[16:33] <keviv> Hey guys, looking at the HDD for an installation, how can you tell the version?
[16:33] <keviv> I'm not running from it
[16:33] <Pici> keviv: Yes. See http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/ and #ubuntu-locoteams
[16:34] <Pici> keviv: look at the contents /etc/issue
[16:34] <StarKat> uname -r
[16:34] <keviv> Pici: thanks :)
[16:35] <keviv> Pici: what's the "\n \l"?
[16:35] <the_gryffyn> StarKat, he means the HDD, not booted.
[16:35] <keviv> Pici: Is that new line-space-something?
[16:35] <Pici> keviv: yeah
[16:37] <keviv> Pici: do you know what it is? It isn't one of the python escaped characters?
[16:37] <Lope> I guess my security erase worked fine. It happened in 0.6 seconds. I guess that's how long it takes on my 40GB SSD.
[16:37] <bigbrovar> I can't seem to burn cds on ubuntu 14.04
[16:37] <the_gryffyn> Lope, That's really short..... even for a 40gb.
[16:37] <bigbrovar> everytime I try and insert a blank cd I get a location is ready mounted error
[16:38] <keviv> The_gryffyn maybe cause it's a SSD?
[16:38] <Pici> keviv: I'm not sure what the \l is.  the \n is a newline.
[16:38] <bigbrovar> I only get an option to create an image
[16:38] <the_gryffyn> keviv, maybe, but a secure erase on an SSD just resets the blocks to zero, so it should be the same.
[16:38] <Lope> the_gryffyn: that's what I thought. But the security password gets cleared after I do the security erase command so I guess it works. And I can't do the security erase command without setting the password. so that all seems legit.
[16:39] <bigbrovar> however when I create the image.. it is saved with a .bin extension... and even though I used braseror to create this file.. braseror is unable to write this file to a cd
[16:39] <the_gryffyn> Lope, Ok then! I haven't had much experience secure erasing SSDs before.
[16:40] <milan_> Check this out! http://99daysoffreedom.com/
[16:40] <mint__> When was the raring repository removed from archive.ubuntu.com?
[16:40] <the_gryffyn> milan_, nice!
[16:40] <keviv> The_gryffyn Lope I was thinking that maybe SSDs can erase all bits at once, instead of one at a time (or 1 per head at a time iirc) like a HDD
[16:40] <bigbrovar> its really weird and frustrating.. spending close to 2 hours trying to burn a freaging cd so I can play me some guerrilas and jamiroquai on my way home from work.. I mean seriously.. its hardly the most complicated task for a modern operating system gosh!
[16:41] <Pici> mint__: probably recently.  It has been out of support for over 6 months now.
[16:41] <pravinmishra> How do I check gcc version on my system?
[16:42] <Lope> keviv: makes sense buddy.
[16:42] <Lope> I'm gonna setup my 40GB SSD as a caching drive for bcache. How over-provisioned do you think the corsair F40 (40GB SSD is?). I'm wondering if I should make a partition for my cache that's only 93% of the 40GB and leave the other space empty?
[16:42] <mint__> Pici: I'd like to know the month, if not the exact date. raring went out of support in January, but was the repo still on archive.ubuntu.com after January?
[16:42] <keviv> Pici: "\l" isn't listed in the man page for echo...
[16:42] <mint__> pravinmishra: apt-cache policy gcc
[16:42] <MACscr> I think its funny/sad that people are up in arms about the whole facebook thing
[16:42] <bigbrovar> apparently this is a know bug with ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1071739 which is marked low has been confirmed and since 2012..
[16:43] <pravinmishra> mint__: thanks
[16:43] <Pici> mint__: Typically, the archive admins do not remove the release from the server the day that it goes EOL.  Support ended on January 27, 2014 for raring.
[16:43] <bigbrovar> I spent the better part of today configuring ldap and kerberos.. I shouldnt be tearing my heads out because I am trying to burn a fucking CD!!!!! ..
[16:43] <Pici> bigbrovar: Please mind your language here.
[16:43] <mint__> bigbrovar: please complain to the paid support.
[16:44] <the_gryffyn> keviv, I think you are right.
[16:44] <bigbrovar> Things like this just make me lose hope with freesoftware after over 7 years
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> bigbrovar  ldap and kerberos suggest its a server... if it's a server, better ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:44] <bigbrovar> mint__, am not complaining.. if u can help me help.. if not keep walking
[16:45] <Pici> bigbrovar: That bug link you posted has a solution, did you look at comment #6?
[16:45] <the_gryffyn> bigbrovar, try asking in #ubuntu-server
[16:45] <Lope> any guess as to how much overprovisioning there is on a Corsair F40 (40GB SSD)?
[16:45] <bigbrovar> MonkeyDust, of cause .. I meant my laptop not work servers... burning a simple cd should not be as hard as configuring ldap and kerberos
[16:46] <mint__> if you need help, ask a question and wait until somebody answers. leave emotional language out of here, thanks
[16:46] <keviv> Pici: If I want to upgrade that installation, can I just overwrite the boot part with a new image?
[16:46] <the_gryffyn> bigbrovar, I agree. There is support for it out of the box, so I have no idea.
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> bigbrovar  what goes wrong when you try to burn a cd?
[16:47] <bigbrovar> I get a location already mounted error
[16:47] <bigbrovar> which is really weird
[16:47] <MonkeyDust> bigbrovar  a dialog should popup when you insert the empty cd
[16:47] <the_gryffyn> Try unmounting everything in the CD drive.
[16:48] <Pici> keviv: what do you mean by "upgrade"?
[16:48] <keviv> Like 12.10 to 14.04
[16:48] <mint__> bigbrovar: does that message impede you to burn the disk?
[16:49] <Pici> keviv: firstly, you can't upgrade directly from 12.10 to 14.04, secondly that sort of upgrade requires the OS be running, you can't just replace the kernel image and have it work.
[16:49] <bigbrovar> mint__, well it says cant write to disk then gives the reasons as location already mounted
[16:49] <keviv> Pici: so what are valid upgrade paths? And why must the OS be running
[16:50] <the_gryffyn> keviv, you need to upgrade to 13.04 by reinstalling from DVD or USB, then upgrading to 14.04 the same way.
[16:50] <the_gryffyn> Backup first, though.
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> keviv  backup, the clean install is the fastest, easiest and most efficient
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> way
[16:50] <Pici> keviv: I guess you could chroot into the drive and run the install. You can only upgrade from one release to the next, or from one LTS to the next.  So you'd need to do 12.10->13.04->13.10->14.04
[16:51] <keviv> Boy that's a lot of upgrades
[16:51] <keviv> OK thanks guys!
[16:51] <MonkeyDust> keviv  backup, then clean install is the fastest, easiest and most efficient way    <-- typos removed
[16:51] <bigbrovar> ahh nothing is working.. heading home .. thanks everyone who tried to help
[16:52] <netameta> ufw allow 53 -- how do i allow range ?
[16:53] <the_gryffyn> keviv, I agree with MonkeyDust. Backup then fresh install of 14.04. Simplest, and easiest.
[16:53] <keviv> The_gryffyn: I can just backup /home, format, install 14.04, and then move /home back onto it right?
[16:54] <the_gryffyn> keviv, yes, but you may want to backup PPAs and installed packages.
[16:55] <the_gryffyn> keviv, to do so, install "aptik". It can backup apps, and PPAs.
[16:55] <keviv> The_gryffyn I hadn't installed much anyway
[16:55] <keviv> Might it be better to just apt-get stuff as I need it?
[16:55] <the_gryffyn> keviv, yes.
[16:55] <keviv> OK cool
[16:55] <TJ-> keviv: You should also back-up "/etc/*" in case it contains system-settings you later need to copy over
[16:56] <tshot> Hi
[16:56] <the_gryffyn> I agree, TJ-
[16:56] <keviv> TJ- all of it?
[16:56] <the_gryffyn> That's what the /* means.
[16:56] <keviv> There's nothing that would conflict though?
[16:56] <TJ-> keviv: I do... it's only text files mostly... not much space, especially as a tar.gz
[16:57] <the_gryffyn> No, not really.
[16:57] <Pici> keviv: don't blindly copy that on top of your new install though.
[16:57] <TJ-> keviv: I keep old "/etc/" from every release, just in case there's something in one I need again later and have forgotten about.
[16:57] <keviv> Oh so just selectively if I need something ok
[16:57] <TJ-> keviv: If I realise something is missing, I can go look through the back-ups
[16:57] <keviv> That's a good idea then
[16:58] <the_gryffyn> keviv, you should create the DVD or USB beforehand and backup the other things, then wipe.
[16:58] <the_gryffyn> That was slightly obvious, though.
[16:58] <the_gryffyn> I need to go now, thanks guys!
[16:58] <concord> Any word on the ubuntu phone?
[16:58] <keviv> Thanks the_gryffyn!
[16:59] <TJ-> keviv: Also, if you've done much using 'sudo' as root, think about backing up "/root/" in case there's saved preferences, key-files, etc., there too
[16:59] <DJones> concord: Probably best asking in #ubuntu-touch for that
[16:59] <concord> DJones: thanks
[16:59] <TJ-> keviv: I'm thinking particularly of SSH keys in "/root/.ssh/"
[17:00] <keviv> TJ- I really don't think that I even used it once actually. I can't seem to get the stupid win 8 secure boot out of the way
[17:00] <TJ-> keviv: Also... !!! .... if you've created virtual machines, you may want to back those images up (e.g. "/var/lib/libvirt/" )
[17:02] <keviv> TJ- OK so I won't have to this time, but in the future I should bak /home/, /etc/, /root/, and /var/lib/libvrt/ (if I've created any VMs) right?
[17:02] <tinker> log in as root, is it enough to sudo?
[17:04] <fff> i'm the guy facing troubles with xubuntu who's the guy was heloping me?
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> fff  ask the channel
[17:05] <fff> anyway
[17:05] <fff> what is that?
[17:05] <TJ-> keviv: There is an easier way, the way I do it. Install using LVM Logical Volumes ... don't allocate all the space, just enough for what is needed. Seperate out per-release directories (root-fs, /var/) from cross-release (/home/, /usr/local/ /var/lib/libvirt/, etc.) one LV each as separate mountpoints... then when you want to do a clean install you can do it alongside those without deleting or disturbing them, simply by allocating additional space to new LVs for t
[17:05] <TJ-> he new install
[17:05] <fff> is that the support channel?
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> fff  this is the support channel yes
[17:06] <netameta> i am trying to set up nodeMailer. getting connrefus errror, how can i connect to a certain address to check if something blocks it in ubuntu
[17:06] <fff> ok
[17:06] <keviv> TJ- yea I did that with /home but I didn't think to do it with anything ekset
[17:06] <keviv> *else
[17:07] <fff> my gpu was lagging a lot whit xubuntu but everythign worked good. i tried lubuntu finally it's good,. but i don't know why it don't get my usb pen for wifi modem
[17:07] <fff> how can i get the internet access?
[17:07] <TJ-> keviv: my current LV mounts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799368/
[17:08] <netameta> Anyone ?
[17:09] <MonkeyDust> netameta  don't say "anyone?", better repeat your question every 10 minutes or so, until someone can help
[17:09] <fff> MonkeyDust: do you how i can solve that
[17:09] <netameta> ok
[17:10] <netameta> how can i check if i can connect to a certain address to make sure its not blocked
[17:11] <keviv> TJ- oh. Why not one volume for all of /home?
[17:13] <TJ-> keviv: Because I have a "/home/all/" as a base mountpoint for all file-systems shared across users
[17:14] <TJ-> keviv: By using LVs like that they can be extended and shrunk as needed. I do a lot of software build and test, so file-systems grow and shrink alot
[17:14] <keviv> But why not count /home as one fs? It'll still shrink and grow, but less to handle
[17:17] <TJ-> keviv: Because if /home/ file-system is purely for user home directories ... separation into separate smaller file-system makes snapshots, backups, sharing and cloning more fine-grained and easier to manage
[17:18] <keviv> TJ- okay well I'd probably only be using it for light programing, and probably torrenting anyway
[17:18] <TJ-> keviv: If I boot into an alternate OS install, I can still mount some of those file-systems without needing to do anything special to protect /home/ from being modified in a way that would upset the user accounts
[17:19] <keviv> Oh true
[17:19] <TJ-> keviv: Another useful aspect of LVs is, if say VirtualMachines runs out of space that won't affect my /home/$USER/ directory
[17:19] <Malsasa> Hello, I was using Chromium 25 (and today 34). Everyday, no problem in my Ubuntu 12.04 since first install in 2012. But now, I don't know why, everytime I start Chromium (or Rekonq or Konqueror) to browse, I get my cursor disappearing. It is very annoying. It disappear when I click, right click, hover to a button that has tooltip, and always disappear when scrolling. Just open Chromium/those browsers and my cursor disappearing in every other applications
[17:19] <Malsasa> (including Libreoffice and Dolphin). This problem doesn't occured in Firefox at all. I have asked #freedesktop and a guy say "it is strange, i can't help", I have googled and try many ways from askubuntu, it is same. I don't have any idea why this problem occured. Any idea for me? Thank you. I use Ubuntu 12.04, Chromium 34 from official repo.
[17:19] <TJ-> keviv: so no weird 0-length config files that then cause strange failures in applications
[17:21] <keviv> TJ- yeah that's one reason that I did one volume for /home, bit it makes sense to make a new volume for each categorical subdirectory within /home
[17:22] <TJ-> keviv: I've had servers that have run out of space for "/var/log/" and having that in its own file-system helps prevent wider system issues if "/var/" would be out of space instead
[17:23] <netameta> how can i check if i can connect to a certain address to make sure its not blocked
[17:23] <keviv> TJ- I like that
[17:23] <keviv> netameta ping
[17:23] <netameta> ping address port ?
[17:24] <TJ-> keviv: The best part of using LVs is being able to do "sudo lvextend -L +4G VG/LV && sudo resize2fs /dev/mapper/VG-LV" and have it do an online resize without needing an unmount
[17:24] <TJ-> netameta: Is it a TCP port? is it TLS/SSL? You can use "telnet $IP $PORT" or "openssl s_client -connect $IP:$PORT"
[17:25] <keviv> Netameta: is it a remote address or are you testing a local poet?
[17:25] <netameta> its a secure smpt server
[17:25] <keviv> *port
[17:25] <TJ-> netameta: OK, use the s_client approach then
[17:25] <netameta> like smtp.gmail.com 465
[17:26] <keviv> TJ- O.O that's awesome
[17:26] <netameta> you have any article or link about that so i can read ?
[17:26] <TJ-> netameta: "openssl s_client smtp.gmail.com:465" => "220 mx.google.com ESMTP jb16sm46045978wic.10 - gsmtp" => "QUIT"
[17:27] <netameta> so 220 mx.google.com ESMTP d10sm26952397qaq.10 - gsmtp means its not blocked ?
[17:28] <TJ-> netameta: That's the SMTP server talking :)
[17:28] <netameta> ah
[17:28] <netameta> Crap so it is open to me..
[17:28] <TJ-> netameta: send it "QUIT" to drop the connection
[17:28] <netameta> there's something else then
[17:28] <netameta> Ahh this is awesome i can talk back
[17:29] <keviv> That reminds me I still need to change my passwords back from heartbleed
[17:30] <TJ-> netameta: You can send an email that way "EHLO your.domain.tld" then "MAIL FROM: me@your.domain.tld". At this point you may require to do "AUTH LOGIN"
[17:31] <sambuco> let's check everything
[17:32] <TJ-> netameta: Are you trying to deliver mail to Gmail, or use it as your upstream SMTP relay (if Google provides your email service)
[17:32] <ssarah> guys, whats the keyboard shorcut to move windows to the right or left?
[17:32] <ssarah> like in windows: Winkey+Left or +Right
[17:33] <netameta> i am trying to setup a mail client on nodeMailer
[17:33] <netameta> TJ- is it possible that i need to configure my nginx or it shouldnt matter ?
[17:34] <TJ-> netameta: But is that Google SMTP service your upstream SMTP relay? The AUTH challenge suggests that it is only for authorised customers to send their mail via, so your client will need to AUTH with some gmail credentials
[17:36] <netameta> TJ-, My client do authenticate with username/password
[17:36] <TJ-> netameta: OK, so you've got a local config issue then, it sounds like
[17:37] <netameta> it should not have anything to do with appache or nginx right ? i mean this is more for http server
[17:37] <netameta> those*
[17:38] <TJ-> netameta: I doubt an HTTP server is going to have anything to do with the SMTP client, but I'm not familiar with what you're doing
[17:38] <netameta> TJ- Thanks very much for you're help
[17:47] <Lope> why is bcache-tools not in the main ubuntu repo? how can I install it?
[17:51] <MonkeyDust> !find bcache
[17:52] <Pici> Lope: Their website states that there is a PPA available.  It doesn't look like it has been submitted to the repositories for inclusion.
[17:52] <TJ-> Lope: Ubuntu inherits/syncs most packages from Debian. bcache is currently in debian-mentoring
[17:52] <Pici> or that.
[17:52] <TJ-> Lope see http://mentors.debian.net/package/bcache-tools
[17:53] <Lope> thanks
[17:56] <mojtaba> Hi, I have two ubuntu machine behind the router in the same LAN segment. Is there anyway to ssh them without changing the port number of one of them?
[17:58]  * MonkeyDust has never changed a port for ssh
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> mojtaba  why would you change a port?
[17:59] <MonkeyDust> mojtaba  are you trying to ssh them from outside the LAN?
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> Does anyone know why MPV doesn't show an OSD on version 14.04?
[18:00] <mojtaba> MonkeyDust: Yes, both at the same time
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> I see that there should be an OSD to control, and seek, and volume, but I don't see anything.
[18:00] <^Lestat> um, I downloaded a tarball of sublime text 2. Wehre should I extract it to?
[18:02] <OerHeks> ^Lestat, an universal place can be /opt/<folder>
[18:03] <^Lestat> hmmm
[18:04] <gimmic> using netboot, can you point the install at an older kernel?
[18:04] <gimmic> maybe with preseed?
[18:05] <^Lestat> is that in home/opt ?
[18:05] <^Lestat> answer: no
[18:05] <^Lestat> I need to think BEFORE I ask
[18:06] <OerHeks> no, /opt/ is in the root of your system /
[18:06] <OerHeks> it will be available to all users, if you config it right
[18:12] <mojtaba> any idea? MonkeyDust
[18:16] <OerHeks> mojtaba, easiest way is to give one ssh service a different port, and forward that port in your router, so you can reach both from WAN
[18:16] <mojtaba> OerHeks: Is there any other way to do this?
[18:16] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/InstallingConfiguringTesting#Start_sshd_on_a_Different_Listening_Port
[18:17] <OerHeks> mojtaba, not that i know
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[18:23] <nnathanb> is it ok to restart a server while services are running on it eg apache
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> danbower: did you try xrandr
[18:24] <danbower> never heard of it..i'll look into it now. thanks lotuspsychje
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | danbower
[18:24] <Myrtti> nnathanb: uh, what do you actually mean by that?
[18:25] <nnathanb> Myrtti, well if apache is currently running server users, should it be stopped before issuing shutdown -r now
[18:26] <Myrtti> nnathanb: the services will be stopped anyway before shutdown
[18:26] <nnathanb> i understand that but will they be shutdown correctly ?
[18:27] <hotmedal> Can anyone tell me how a possibly corrupt SD card can cause Kernel Panic just by trying to read from it?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: i have seen some issues before with sdcard slot and weird errors in syslog
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: what version of ubuntu is this?
[18:28] <hotmedal> lotuspsychje: 14.04
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: maybe try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and play with your sdcard a bit for realtime errors
[18:29] <hotmedal> unfortunately I no longer have the culprit SD card
[18:29] <hotmedal> but I do have another question
[18:30] <Myrtti> nnathanb: I don't see why not
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: ask mate
[18:31] <hotmedal> on startup I see a bunch of lines sometimes with "ata" in them. Can't really read it all. But most of the times they arent there, there's just something about cfg wl (the wifi driver). Where can I see the log?
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: /var/log/syslog
[18:31] <jumanji> hey guys can someone recommend a firewall that lets me block all ips except for the ip of mydomain.com
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: or dmesg in terminal
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | jumanji
[18:35] <hotmedal> lotuspsychje: hotmedal@hotmedal-Lenovo:~$ dmesg | grep DRDY
[18:35] <hotmedal> [    5.458481] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [    5.795784] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [   27.460318] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [   27.809893] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [   29.116344] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <unopaste> hotmedal you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[18:35] <unopaste> hotmedal you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[18:35] <MarkyC> hotmedal: ~pastebin
[18:37] <hotmedal> crap
[18:37] <hotmedal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799735/
[18:40] <hotmedal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799735/    < did this go through?
[18:40] <Beldar> hotmedal, If you see it we do, and the frustration comment is not needed.
[18:41] <hotmedal> sorry, didn't think that would be too many lines
[18:44] <hotmedal> Google says run fsck, should I?
[18:45] <Beldar> hotmedal, From a quick look at DRDY I see bad HD, and connectios in general, do a smart check from disks top right gear drop down.
[18:45] <Loshki> hotmedal: this is usually a disk error (grep for ata3.00 in your dmesg) I think, due to the disk not being ready. It could mean the disk is pre-failure, or it could be the disk needs time to spin up. An fsck can't hurt, followed by SMART checks.
[18:46] <thephreak> hey quick question, I'm running 12.04 (precise) and trying to upgrade to 12.10, none of the mirrors seem to have the quantal files. I'm getting the error: quantal.tar.gz.gpg
[18:47] <IdleOne> thephreak: that is because 12.10 is EOL
[18:47] <IdleOne> !EOL
[18:48] <Beldar> thephreak, 12.10 and 13.04 are eol and 13.10 will be within weeks, I would go to 14.04 when it shows in the update/upgrade gui and be backed up.
[18:49] <thephreak> okay, can I upgrade to another release then? I'd rather not do a fresh install
[18:49] <thephreak> .
[18:50] <kostkon> thephreak, when 14.04.1 comes out you will be given the option to upgrade to it. That in a couple of weeks
[18:50] <Beldar> thephreak, I answered that.
[18:50] <kostkon> thephreak, just be patient
[18:50] <thephreak> sorry so much scrolls by in my little term window with all the join/quit messages.
[18:50] <thephreak> Thank you very much
[18:51] <Beldar> thephreak, You can turn of the join/quit
[18:51] <thephreak> in epic4?
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> thephreak  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule  <-- july 24
[18:52] <Beldar> thephreak, Any app by telling the freenode server.
[18:53] <thephreak> oh perfect, I see
[18:53] <keviv> Is there a built-in key combo to launch a terminal emulator?
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> keviv  ctrl alt t
[18:53] <keviv> Thanks.
[18:56] <gadgetron> Hey guys. Need some advice on boot issues in trusty
[18:56] <Lope> I need to decide between bcache enhanceIO and dm-cache. I'm starting with an empty backing drive and an empty cache drive. So although people complain about having to start with empty drives, that doesn't matter to me. What do you think?
[18:57] <anonymous_> I installed google chrome stable but he won't рун
[18:57] <anonymous_> run*
[18:58] <gadgetron> Boot seems to lag at certain places. went through the dmesg logs and found certain jumps. A quick google did not take me anywhere. Anyone have an idea on what i can do about it. Where do i post the dmesg log so you guys can look at it?
[18:58] <rewbycraft> !paste
[18:58] <keviv> Why don't we use pastebin?
[18:59] <rewbycraft> keviv: I usually do. I just wanted to use a command for once.
[18:59] <keviv> Haha :)
[18:59] <MACscr> why do some network devices get persistent rules setup by default with 14.04, but others dont?
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> MACscr  that's more for #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:00] <MACscr> i am having a horrible time trying to get consistent network device names
[19:00] <Beldar> gadgetron, Time of boot and context like is this encrypted, is it a uefi....etc would help.
[19:01] <MACscr> MonkeyDust: how so?
[19:01] <OEP> Is there some reason why the "drawstuff" library isn't included with "libode" when you isntall it?
[19:01] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting can give you insight into what's taking so long.
[19:01] <Beldar> gadgetron, Have you done a text boot to see what is going on?
[19:02] <gadgetron> @beldar @rewbycraft : i tried bootchart. Here is the dmesg log
[19:02] <gadgetron> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799866/
[19:03] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Can you give us the bootchart?
[19:03] <gadgetron> How do i post the image?
[19:03] <rewbycraft> !paste
[19:04] <rewbycraft> !screenshots
[19:04] <rewbycraft> (substitute screenshot with bootchart png)
[19:04] <Beldar> rewbycraft, Be sure to preface nicks when addressing others. ;)
[19:05] <nabilhassein> I have a question about unattended-upgrades. I'm following these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates but I want to automate the setup
[19:05] <nabilhassein> so the purple dialog that results from `sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades` is pretty annoying
[19:05] <gadgetron> rewbycraft ,Here its is http://imgur.com/jrJpGF4
[19:05] <nabilhassein> is there another way to configure unattended-upgrades?
[19:05] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates#Using_cron_and_aptitude
[19:07] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft , What i understood from dmesg was that it seems to repair the partition every time and takes too long for something like "random: nonblocking pool is initialized"
[19:07] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: It seems it's hanging on disk seeks. If you wanna speed it up, I suggest getting a SSD.
[19:07] <nabilhassein> rewbycraft: thanks. There won't be any difference in behavior between this and the above method?
[19:08] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft : I am pretty sure its a ubuntu only issue. I run eos luna which boots up pretty quickly and does not have such jumps in the dmesg
[19:08] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: And I don't know where you're getting the partition repair thing from. I'm not seeing that in the log you gave.
[19:08] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: Cron is how you automate stuff like this.
[19:08] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft: it was there in the dmesg
[19:08] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: I have a cron job on my servers that update them every day at 24:00.
[19:08] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Where?
[19:09] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft : at the 9.02 mark
[19:09] <nabilhassein> rewbycraft: I'm familiar with cron. I was just curious about how to automate the kind of dialog that dpkg-reconfigure pops up. I don't know what that kind of dialog is called so I couldn't google it
[19:09] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft:something about recovery required
[19:09] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: Ah, like that.
[19:10] <Lope> I have an empty hard drive and an empty SSD. (no need to migrate data etc, any FS is ok) Should I use bcache or dm-cache?
[19:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Oh that, yes I saw that. But it's already done with that before the delay in messages.
[19:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: So that doesn't matter.
[19:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Although you might wanna look into that because it shouldn't be happening.
[19:11] <theToastIsDone> i dont know if this is the place to offer this, but.. I own a domain name (ubuntuftw.com, in other words Ubuntu FTW), if anyone is interested in buying it... just wondering
[19:11] <kostkon> theToastIsDone, #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:11] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft: it jumped to 18 seconds after that. Sometimes i even get something about plymouth termination issue.
[19:11] <theToastIsDone> ahh ok, thx
[19:12] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft: this is the other bootchart image
[19:12] <gadgetron> http://imgur.com/s2KYVkP
[19:12] <curious2000> hello. i have a newbie question. how do i disable the log on whenever i boot up my computer?
[19:13] <cuddylier> If a user had access to the /etc/passwd file, would they be able to e.g. change the root password?
[19:13] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: The plymouth thing is because it doesn't always co-operate with systemd. It jumps to 18 seconds because after recovery the partition is mounted and all the binaries are being looked up and loaded into memory. In order to do this it needs to go all over the disk to find the data, which is causing the delay.
[19:13] <anonymous_> hot to reinstall ubuntu with command line
[19:13] <anonymous_> how*
[19:13] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: If they had (write) access to that file, you'd have bigger problems than that.
[19:13] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Could you look into this slightly earlier bootchart? http://imgur.com/s2KYVkP
[19:13] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: it's not writeable, just readable
[19:13] <MonkeyDust> !install | anonymous_ start here
[19:14] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: Then no.
[19:14] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: Okay great, thanks
[19:14] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: Read access is normal, it is used to authenticate you.
[19:15] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: Yeah, I thought that
[19:15] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: And this is another issue thats causing boot to slow 3.427987] random: nonblocking pool is initialized
[19:15] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Same thing. It's waiting for the partition to mount and then it suddenly starts loading a variety of programs needed to boot the system. Those programs, though, are located all over the disk.
[19:15] <cuddylier> For my web directories, is it safe to just set them all to root to avoid e.g. the webuser, www-data from being able to go into folders it shouldn't?
[19:16] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Not an issue. Just a notification that the random number gen is online.
[19:16] <anonymous_> ok, thanks .
[19:16] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: Why would you do that? That way the http server can't access them.
[19:17] <UltimaKR> Hi, does anyone know about lubuntu and graphics cards?
[19:17] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: It seems it still can, because someone made a script that got into one of my sites and since they all had the user as www-data they were able to go into all the website folders eventhough the permissions were 711
[19:17] <gadgetron> rewbycraft:  Then there is nothing out of place in the boot process? The latest one ended at 34 in the log. The boot before that ended at 23.
[19:17] <cuddylier> And 711 is meant to be the public can't read
[19:17] <cuddylier> I changed that and the tool they used can no longer read the files but the website works fine
[19:17] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: That's how it's supposed to work. The webserver is www-data.
[19:18] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Nothing is out of place other than the recovery thing (although that isn't what's slowing you down). If you want a speedup, get a SSD.
[19:18] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I use ubuntu as a daily driver. The only issue so far was the boot time. My laptop is fairly specced and runs really well most of the time. Does not lag at all.
[19:18] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: how can I stop a script that is injected into one of my sites then going into other website folders?
[19:19] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: The script accessing the folders is not the issue. The fact that they can inject the script, however, is.
[19:19] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: i5 , HD8730 , 1600MHz ram
[19:19] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: You still have a mechanical hdd. Lemme see if I can find the instructional/explainational vid I usually give people.
[19:20] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I dual boot it with windows 8 with takes 30 seconds if i restart or 15 seconds from shutdown(hybrid)
[19:20] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: yes it is, I have found how they do it but just incase it happens again I mean
[19:20] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Windows 8 does all sorts of weird things to make it go like that.
[19:21] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: The script is most likely executed in the context of the webserver. As long as the server can access stuff, so can an injected script.
[19:21] <danbower> what exactly do you mean by injected script?
[19:21] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I was only wondering why ubuntu was taking longer. I know a SSD will speed things up. Elementary os luna is based on ubuntu 12.04 but it still manages to boot in under 22 seconds. I mentioned dual boot. its actually a triple boot.
[19:21] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: So if I changed the website folder owner to e.g. 'root' then the script could use root?
[19:21] <cuddylier> As at the moment the script has a console on it and everything
[19:21] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: No. The script has whatever use perms the http server has.
[19:22] <danbower> cuddylier, how is this script being injected?
[19:22] <cuddylier> danbower: It was via WHMCS
[19:22] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Granted ubuntu loads more stuff on boot then elementary. But the same thing applies to both. Windows on the other hand does some black magic.
[19:24] <^Lestat> voodoo
[19:24] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Windows i believe does a hybrid shutdown which enables it boot faster. but if you restart it , it will take much longer. for me the restart was atmost 30 seconds and normal boot( booting after a simple shutdown) was 15seconds. Luna takes 20 seconds. Seems to be something deeper than i can see is causing the lag. I guess the extra 10sec wait is still worth it.
[19:24] <kostkon> gadgetron, yeah, your boot speed is a bit on the slow side. even my atom netbook boots vanilla 12.04 faster than your i5. probably fsck is slowing things down, assuming that for some reason it is being started and checks your hd on every boot
[19:25] <danbower> cuddylier, oh. well i'm not particularly experienced with servers but i use "virtualmin" on my dev box which automates a lot of it. basically each host is represented as a user. so there'd be ~foo/public_html/ and ~bar/public_html/. naturally foo can only access stuff belonging to foo with this setup
[19:25] <cuddylier> danbower: I see, or even separate VPSs for each website I guess would be another solution
[19:26] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Maybe a later reinstall will fix it. Anyway thanks for your support. If i find something that works , i will let you know. #been using ubuntu since 11.10.
[19:26] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Me too. BTW: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404258,00.asp
[19:26] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Explains HDD vs SSD
[19:26] <danbower> cuddylier, yeah that could work too. maybe have a play with virtualmin? not sure how it integrates with whmcs but i personally like it
[19:26] <rewbycraft> kostkon: That seems weird. I almost never get fsck nowadays.
[19:27] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: thanks for the link. But i am well versed with such things.
[19:27] <cuddylier> Mhm maybe, thanks
[19:27] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: I can't assume anything in terms of knowledge. Sorry if you feel offended.
[19:28] <danbower> cuddylier, even if you don't use you could get a feel for it how sets up such things
[19:28] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: of course not. You might have come to a different conclusion if you had been physically debugging the laptop. I was just stating things.
[19:29] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: True. I usually prefer having my hands on the actual machine. But helping people via irc is a nice challenge.
[19:29] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Yep. Agree with that. It works on a level thats better than simple googling.
[19:30] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Still, your bootchart is about the same as mine and I've spend enough time to know that it means one thing: You're hitting the physical limits of the HDD seek time.
[19:31] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I wanted to ask this too. Did you have any luck with getting multitouch on the trackpad to work with gestures? simple two finger gestures work fine. Found something called touchegg which did not work ||  Ubuntu 13.10 booted much faster. Thats why i said it seemed to be isolated to 14.04 for me.
[19:32] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Depends on what you want it to do?
[19:32] <rock_> Hiii
[19:32] <mjuszczak> Is there a way with bzr to get the current version of the package?  I'm trying to use --newversion so that I can add "ppa1" but I want to script it... which means it would need to read the current version number so that I could pass it into --newversion with "ppa1" appended.  Any thoughts?
[19:33] <gadgetron> rewbycraft : Like 3 finger upward swipe to imitate the (super+w) function? Helpful when multitasking. I ended up using hotcorners for that and the workspace , but it would feel nice to have gestures for that.
[19:34] <rewbycraft> It seems to be supported by default if the wiki is to be believed. (I only use awesomewm and not unity)
[19:35] <gadgetron> rewbycraft : What was that again? awesomewm? can you link some resource for that desktop environment?
[19:37] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: It's a tiling window manager (and it doesn't have gestures, almost everything is done with the keyboard).
[19:37] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ (is available as "awesome" in the ubuntu repos)
[19:39] <Caroga> hi guys
[19:39] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: seems nice. But not something i would go to for now. Oldschool geek style.
[19:39] <Caroga> was wondering, any of you ever noticed internet/wifi stability problems when using wifi AND bluetooth ?
[19:40] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Kinda. But you can configure it to look and behave however you want it. I spent a good time configuring it, but worth it. (sadly java doesn't wanna co-operate)
[19:40] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Do you have any solution for improving battery life? Been using tlp and thermald, it works in a way, but not as much as i would have liked it to.
[19:41] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Then its not for me. Need java for too many things unfortunately.
[19:41] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Turn down backlighting. Also, powertop can really show you what's using power.
[19:41] <saqib_> hi
[19:41] <saqib_> i need help sir
[19:42] <saqib_> how are you all ?
[19:42] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Let me clarify: java works, the context menus are just a bit weird and select the item below what I'm hovering over.
[19:42] <saqib_> my usb mouse suspend after hibernate what should i do ?
[19:42] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Makes Intellij a bit annoying, but keyboard shortcuts save the day.
[19:42] <saqib_> help help help
[19:42] <saqib_> help me pleae
[19:42] <saqib_> please
[19:43] <Beldar> !please | saqib_
[19:43] <saqib_> my usb mouse suspend after restart can any one provide me solutions ?
[19:43] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: The powerstat power usage stats dont make sense some times. Usage is about 12 watts sometimes and then its fine. But occasionally it does not get below 16 watts. Sometimes a restart works, sometimes it does not.
[19:43] <saqib_> hello
[19:43] <saqib_> ok bye
[19:44] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: I use powertop to because it shows you what device is using the power.
[19:44] <Beldar> saqib_, State your issue an just that.
[19:44] <danbower> saqib_, do you have another mouse to try? i'm not entirely sure what you mean by "suspend" but perhaps it has just died?
[19:45] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: right now it says some usb device : usb 2.0 generic is using about 11 watts even though no usb device is connected.
[19:45] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Internal usb. Do you have bluetooth?
[19:46] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: yes but its off.
[19:46] <rewbycraft> WiFi then?
[19:46] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Anything with lights and/or antenna's is generally the issue.
[19:46] <rewbycraft> *antennas
[19:46] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: i guess its just showing the wrong device id.
[19:47] <gadgetron> rewbycraft : i use a intel wifi card. supposed to be efficient at power managemtn.
[19:47] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Could be. It's fairly common for internal WiFi and bluetooth modules to actually be usb devices connected to an internal usb bus.
[19:48] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Yeah. Need to check into how its on mine.
[19:49] <gadgetron> i used to be able to get it down to 9 watt usage on 13.10
[19:49] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: by switching ooff the dedicated graphics.
[19:49] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Like I said, a general rule of thumb that seems to work for me: The order of power consumption is: Screen backlight -> anything with an antenna -> gpu/cpu -> hdd -> other stuff
[19:50] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Even then i guess on any given laptop ubuntu seems to run out faster than windows.
[19:50] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: You have a machine with dual gfx? I only have a dedicated nvidia card.
[19:50] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: dedicated AMD. HD8730
[19:51] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Yeah. Ubuntu takes a bit more power than windows because it's doing more than windows is (it likes to keep things running full power).
[19:51] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Neat.
[19:52] <^Lestat> Can I just delete aplication folders like I do in unix?
[19:52] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: <- the gfx card I mean.
[19:52] <Beldar> ^Lestat, And the end goal doing that is?
[19:52] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Thanks. Dont game much but black flag does look pretty good when hooked up to a hdtv
[19:53] <^Lestat> removing an ap?
[19:53] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: I mostly play minecraft but a good gfx card allows me to pull all sorts of fancy stuff.
[19:53] <ropuros> ciao
[19:53] <Beldar> ^Lestat, No, if you want it removed you need apt-get remove if purged apt-get purge
[19:53] <^Lestat> and if I "installed it" via untarring it?
[19:54] <Beldar> ^Lestat, This is on apps from the repos, ones you install may be different.
[19:54] <rewbycraft> ^Lestat: make uninstall
[19:54] <Beldar> ^Lestat, Any legit tar should have a read me with info.
[19:54] <rewbycraft> ^Lestat: If you ran "sudo make install" than deleting the src dir (the untarred dir) isn't going to do much.
[19:54] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Seems the tunables section in powertop is acutally useful. Never worked in 13.10 and assumed it wouldnt continue in 14.04. But it does! usage down to 11 watts now. Yeah, i like converting videos and using the GPU to do it is much faster. and rendering the app layout on SDK's is much faster when having a good GPU. or using the video processing software.
[19:55] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Or just making your desktop look fancy.
[19:55] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: True that. do you have any suggestion for a good IRC client? Empathy is fine but dont really like it that much
[19:56] <mw> hello, I have a problem with jackd
[19:56] <Beldar> !details | mw
[19:56] <mw> is it possible to use it in parallel with alsa?
[19:56] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: XChat.
[19:56] <mw> when I enable jack, programs using alsa stop playing
[19:57] <mw> my friend suggested me to set plughw in jackd but it didnt help
[19:57] <ses1984> hi, i'm trying to use php5-imap module from the repositories and running into some weird problem. i do apt-get install php5-imap and it says i have the latest version installed. but then i try php -m | grep -i imap and it is not listed...what's going on? is there something else i need to do to complete the install?
[19:57] <Beldar> mw, Be careful in spreading the info across more than one post you will get lost possibly.
[19:57] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Hmm. will try that. Rarely use IRC. Glad i did today though. Only place where you can mention anything about linux and people dont gape.
[19:58] <mw> I have a problem: I can't use jackd in parallel with ALSA - when I enable jackd, programs using ALSA stop sending audio output. Is it possible to run both at once?
[19:59] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Well, the internet has many places where linux users gather.
[19:59] <Pici> mw: If you don't get an answer here, you may want to ask in #ubuntustudio :)
[19:59] <mw> thanks pici - that's what im using, but ubuntu has larger community ;D
[19:59] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I change that to one of the few places. But then internet always has everything you can think of.
[20:00] <Pici> mw: yes, but #ubuntustudio has people who know a lot more about jackd than we do
[20:00] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Yup.
[20:00] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Thats the best part about it. Recent moves by the russian gvt about user data is troubling though.
[20:01] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Such moves will only encourage the chinese govt about their orwellien great firewall.
[20:01] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: If we're going down that hole we'd better continue the convo in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:01] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Of course. Does using TLP really help with battery life?
[20:02] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: TLP?
[20:02] <mw> xchat is really good and reliable - I use it
[20:02] <mw> it's also a default client in ubuntu
[20:03] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: yeah. A quick googling about battery saving turns up tlp.
[20:03] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Link?
[20:03] <gadgetron> rewbycraft:http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
[20:05] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: If it does what it says then yes.
[20:06] <mjuszczak> Anyone here familiar with bzr?
[20:09] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I am not really sure about its efficiency. But then again something is better than nothing is it not.
[20:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Why not just try it and see?
[20:11] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Its already installed. Have to perform a test case when i next reinstall from scratch without installing tlp for a while.
[20:14] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Keep me posted. I'm rather interested.
[20:15] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Will do.
[20:25] <Tom3211> when im using fdisk to create new partition
[20:25] <Tom3211> it asks me about sectors, not cylinders as in many guides
[20:25] <Tom3211> what is diffrence and why it ask me about sectors?
[20:25] <Tom3211> im using virtualboxed linux to learn ;)
[20:28] <sukrit> Here . Running into Hash Sum mismatch with trusty while running apt-get update  (when run for first time) ....    Started happenin 1 hour back. Things have been working before....  ANyone aware of this issue
[20:29] <Spec> sukrit: i've seen that happen while a mirror was updating
[20:30] <sukrit> Spec:   Is it getting updated now  ?  My script is constantly failing ....   was wondering how long the process takes ....
[20:30] <Spec> sukrit: no idea
[20:31] <rewbycraft> sukrit: Run "sudo rm -fR /var/lib/apt/lists/*" (without quotes) and then run "sudo apt-get update"
[20:32] <sukrit> rewbtcraft: let me try that
[20:33] <rewbycraft> sukrit: What you're experiencing is a corrupted package list on disk. The commands I gave delete the lists on your hdd and then redownloads them from the servers.
[20:34] <Loshki> Tom3211: why aren't you using gparted instead? Much easier...
[20:34] <sukrit> ahh...  Looks like than issue with the ubuntu docker image ....
[20:34] <rewbycraft> sukrit: Can happen.
[20:35] <rewbycraft> Tom3211: Loshki: Or even parted (the cli version of gparted)
[20:35] <sukrit> rewbycraft:  will check if they pushed a new image which had this issue    ... Thanks for your help
[20:35] <rewbycraft> sukrit: Then you need to execute these commands on the image. Also, no problem.
[20:41] <nathanel1itane> does anyone know how get a proper zenity exit status when pressing cancel?
[20:41] <^Lestat> ack! http://pastebin.com/QxqhEhkV
[20:42] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: $?
[20:43] <nathanel1itane> rewbycraft: yes, i know, but when i press cancel, i still get 0 = 0
[20:44] <nathanel1itane> *0 == 0
[20:44] <nathanel1itane> rewbycraft: http://sprunge.us/aVPB
[20:45] <sukrit> rewbycraft:  Surprisingly , there has been no new pushes ...  and now the problem is gone ... wondering if there was problem in upstream ubuntu repository....
[20:46] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: Try this: http://pastebin.com/AwLksHb3
[20:47] <rewbycraft> sukrit: *shrug* As long as it works.
[20:48] <wannabegeekster> Ubuntu Desktop 14.04 on VirtualBox.  Is it normal for there to be no xorg.conf file anywhere?  I am only getting 640x480 resolution right now
[20:49] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: Yes. It's dynamically generated on boot. In order to fix the resolution you'll wanna install virtualbox-guest-dkms in the vm and reboot.
[20:49] <rewbycraft> *boot=the fly
[20:49] <tinker> cd ~ && wget -O - "https://www.dropbox.com/download?plat=lnx.x86_64" | tar xzf -
[20:49] <tinker> where does that install?
[20:49] <wannabegeekster> Ok thanks
[20:49] <rewbycraft> tinker: You're home directory.
[20:50] <rewbycraft> *your (it's getting late, can you tell?)
[20:50] <varunendra> wannabegeekster, the xorg.conf file is no longer needed by the default Ubuntu installation. It gets generated, if required, by proprietary drivers like nvidia or fglrx (ATI). To get proper resolution in VBox, you need to install "Guest Additions" in the guest OS.
[20:51] <rewbycraft> varunendra: VBox guest additions is also known as virtualbox-guest-dkms in the ubuntu repos.
[20:51] <wannabegeekster> Doing  that now.  Will see what happens on the reboot
[20:51] <allgoodAtTaoti> hi all, trying out a build of 14.04 to switch some php servers to. I'm testing mysql but am getting mysql_gone_away errors for what should be a pretty standard application. Before I spend a ton of time debugging is this a common issue that's been happening in 14.04? I realize this may be a question for #mysql but I ask here because mysql was installed using apt-get install mysql-server-5.6 but my application is reporting 5.5.37-0ubuntu0.14.04.1
[20:51] <allgoodAtTaoti> which seems inconsistant
[20:51] <nathanel1itane> rewbycraft: no go
[20:52] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: Did you reboot the vm?
[20:52] <nathanel1itane> the else still goes to 0 == 0
[20:52] <varunendra> rewbycraft, but installing it on Host is not enough, one has to install it from within the Guest OS as well - which I'm sure you already know :)
[20:52] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: Sorry, wrong person.
[20:52] <rewbycraft> varunendra: That's what i said. There's no use in guest additions on the host.
[20:52] <wannabegeekster> Loud and clear rewbycraft
[20:53] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: Does it work now?
[20:53] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: I don't know then. I was looking at this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19812843/shell-script-zenity-check-if-canceled
[20:54] <wannabegeekster> Rebooting as we speak.  Will let you know momentarily
[20:54] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: First command I issue on any ubuntu vm: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms -y && sudo reboot
[20:54] <wannabegeekster> Definitely working
[20:55] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: Great!
[20:55] <wannabegeekster> THanks rewbycraft, will keep that in my toolkit
[20:55] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: No problem.
[20:55] <ethern0t> heyo
[20:55] <wannabegeekster> and thank you varunendra
[20:56] <varunendra> rewbycraft, I thought it is the package that only retrieves the guest-additions iso. Good info to keep in mind. Thanks :)
[20:56] <varunendra> wannabegeekster, I learned something too :)
[20:57] <rewbycraft> varunendra: Nah that's: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso. virtualbox-guest-dkms installs the kernel modules that the iso would install. I prefer virtualbox-guest-dkms because it's proper package and can easily be removed.
[20:58] <rewbycraft> varunendra: In contrast to the iso which isn't easily undone. (or upgraded for that matter, another reason why i prefer the package)
[20:58] <tinker> I care mostly about speed. Which is faster: Unity, KDE, Gnome?
[20:58] <varunendra> rewbycraft, just checked it with 'apt-cache show..' - confirmed already. Good to know there is something .deb for the purpose.
[20:58] <q_> i need help with wine
[20:59] <q_> if anyone is here
[20:59] <ajoul> Any suggestions on how I can customize ubuntu?
[20:59] <varunendra> tinker, among the three you listed, I guess KDE, otherwise XFCE is the hot choice these days
[21:00] <q_> i got it download and i got notepad++ and do i need to installed but still cant get it to work
[21:00] <varunendra> tinker, and I am assuming gnome == gnome3
[21:00] <q_> huh
[21:01] <varunendra> q_ did you get the .exe installer of notepad++ ? Does its installation fail on wine?
[21:01] <k1l> q_: wine is already packaged in the ubuntu repo. so you dont need to download stuff by hand.
[21:02] <q_> i downloaded the ery first one on the list
[21:02] <k1l> q_: and what do you need notepad++ for? doesnt another native linux editor suit your needs?
[21:02] <stelios> 045975265
[21:03] <ajoul> stelios mas gamas
[21:03] <ajoul> Any suggestions on how I can customize ubuntu?
[21:11] <Beldar> ajoul, This is direct support for problems, you might come up with some and ask when you run into trouble, keeping in mind the channels support norms.
[21:11] <ajoul> Beldar, how is this not support
[21:11] <ajoul> you would rather have an empty chat\
[21:12] <Beldar> ajoul, No this is not chat, but support fir actual issues.
[21:12] <guntbert> ajoul: state a concrete question and we will be happy to help
[21:12] <Beldar> not your wishes
[21:12] <ajoul> guntbert, how can I customize ubuntu?
[21:13] <eeee> conky
[21:13] <Beldar> ajoul, #ubuntu-oftopic would be better is all.
[21:13] <Beldar> offtopic*
[21:13] <varunendra> ajoul, you should probably state what kind of customization(s) you want.
[21:13] <guntbert> ajoul: thats a very general question, like "how can I customize my car?"
[21:13] <OerHeks> ajoul, install a theme, use unity-tweak and experiment with it
[21:13] <ajoul> varunendra, I want to remove the launcher and change the layout of the start bar
[21:13] <Beldar> your just feeding a continuation of not understanding the channels role
[21:13] <eeee> ajoul: you can try cairo dock
[21:14] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> Is there anyway i can change my account name?
[21:14] <BrandonC> hey all
[21:14] <eeee> GuyThatNeedsHelp: yes but it's cleaner to create a new one i think
[21:14] <Beldar> GuyThatNeedsHelp, Yes but it has it's issues in permissions, be very careful
[21:15] <Beldar> +1 new user
[21:15] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> all i wanna do is capitalize the first letter
[21:15] <Beldar> response is still the same a change is a change
[21:16] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> Does anyone know the command to make another user?
[21:16] <eeee> GuyThatNeedsHelp:  adduser
[21:16] <mbhatnag> hello
[21:17] <guntbert> GuyThatNeedsHelp: read up:  man adduser
[21:17] <DJ_U|Laptop> For future reference, hopefully near future.  Would it cause any major issues when I get a new GPU with my current install on the desktop (which remains down due to a dead GPU), providing it remains an nVidia GPU?
[21:17] <q_> does anyone know     wine      i need help with      wine       please thank you                    and can i please    i m     you i cant read what you all  say with this ping  in  and   out   crap all over the screen         thank you
[21:18] <guntbert> q_: stop the nonsense please
[21:18] <q_> what nonsece i just asking
[21:18] <Beldar> q_, State you issue clearly without the please...etc and maybe #wine is your place
[21:19] <q_> may br if you read it again yhou would find a please
[21:19] <q_> read a gain
[21:19] <mbhatnag> I'm trying to get vim to display italics in konsole. any idea how to do that? gvim shows the italics just fine and I can get italic text in konsole with 'echo -e "\e[3mitalic\e[m"'
[21:19] <guntbert> Beldar: that'd be #winehq  iirc
[21:19] <OerHeks> q_, join #winehq for application help with notepad++
[21:20] <Beldar> guntbert, Yeah just realized that thanks, my bad
[21:20] <cool_boy> how to check version of installed sofrware?
[21:20] <cool_boy> I want to check version of freetds
[21:20] <q_> i dont get it iv read win hq and it does not work
[21:21] <JV___> Hi
[21:21] <JV___> I am facing this issues
[21:22] <JV___> Fetched 39.8 kB in 0s (3,256 kB/s) E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libp/libpciaccess/libpciaccess0_0.13.2-1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxdamage/libxdamage1_1.1.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxfixes/libxfixes3_5.0.1-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mism
[21:22] <OerHeks> cool_boy,  dpkg --status YOUR_PACKAGE | grep ^Version
[21:22] <JV___> during the time of instkkation nova
[21:22] <OerHeks> cool_boy, or look it up in softwarecenter
[21:22] <JV___> this is 14.04
[21:22] <guntbert> !paste | JV___
[21:24] <JV___> i pasted
[21:25] <guntbert> JV___: don't paste into the channel, read what ubottu tolde you
[21:25] <guntbert> *told
[21:25] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured via the NAME_REGEX[_SYSTEM] configuration variable.  Use the `--force-badname' option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX.
[21:25] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> wat
[21:26] <pack^> lol
[21:26] <JV___> not getting you
[21:26] <JV___> this is some kind of bug with 14.04 server
[21:27] <kantlivelong> hey all.. im having an odd issue with suspend. my mini PCIe SSD doesnt seem to suspend...? it gets hot
[21:27] <JV___> can you pls help
[21:27] <JV___> this is very strange issues
[21:27] <reisio> kantlivelong: what state are you using?
[21:28] <guntbert> !patience | JV___
[21:28] <kantlivelong> reisio: its a laptop so id imagine S3. it definitely suspends but heat keeps being generated and my battery doesnt last more than 8 hours (normal 1 hr batt)
[21:29] <cool_boy> OerHeks: dpkg is giving error, and in software center can't find
[21:29] <kantlivelong> reisio: its very weird.. ive never encountered a suspend issue like this
[21:29] <cool_boy> and how to find correct name of package?
[21:29] <JV___> dont talk as too smart
[21:30] <JV___> we try all the way
[21:30] <kantlivelong> and i can confirm that the SSD is still on as the LED on it is on.
[21:30] <JV___> then only ask you
[21:31] <reisio> kantlivelong: I'd play with the BIOS prefs and the software power manager prefs for suspend first
[21:31] <JV___> hey
[21:31] <JV___> help any one
[21:31] <kantlivelong> reisio: arent really any on the laptop
[21:31] <JV___> Fetched 39.8 kB in 0s (2,729 kB/s) E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libp/libpciaccess/libpciaccess0_0.13.2-1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxdamage/libxdamage1_1.1.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxfixes/libxfixes3_5.0.1-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mism
[21:31] <reisio> kantlivelong: things that say "spin down hard disks", etc., might actually also apply
[21:31] <reisio> kantlivelong: well there are software power manager prefs, even if the BIOS hasn't any
[21:32] <kantlivelong> reisio: ah. any recommendatiosn for ssds?
[21:32] <kantlivelong> or just regular hdparm?
[21:32] <OerHeks> cool_boy, should be there > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freetds
[21:33] <guntbert> !ops | JV___
[21:33] <k1l> JV___: please use a pastebin for your error messages
[21:33] <phunyguy> JV___: please ask your question in one line, and use a pastebin tool to paste
[21:33] <reisio> kantlivelong: I'm sure there are GUI pref dialogues for the settings in question
[21:34] <reisio> kantlivelong: but you could play with hdparm or sdparm et al. too
[21:34] <k1l> !in | JV___ maybe try in this channel if its hard for you to talk in english
[21:34] <Tha-Fox> hi! I just found that m XBMCbuntu is running ubuntu 12.10 and the support ended in May. the next release 13.04 has also been unsupported since January. any idea how I'm able to upgrade to 14.04? I just run "do-release-upgrade -d" and it's downloading from repos "saucy-updates, saucy-backports" etc. is it possible to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.10 as this seems to try to do?
[21:35] <JV___> nothing like that
[21:35] <JV___> i pasted the same
[21:35] <JV___> not sure how do we share
[21:35] <k1l> !paste | JV___
[21:35] <kantlivelong> ugh. chrome on 14.04 is aweful
[21:36] <ryan-c> Is the alternative install still a thing? I can't find an alternative ISO for 14.04.
[21:36] <reisio> ryan-c: they renamed it, basically, to 'minimalcd'
[21:36] <k1l> ryan-c: its deprecated, iirc. use the minimal install if you dont want the live install iso
[21:36] <guntbert> ryan-c: no, doesn't exist any more
[21:36] <JV___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7800460/
[21:36] <JV___> can u open it ?
[21:36] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | Tha-Fox, this might help you
[21:37] <reisio> ryan-c: if you do a lot of installs, you might look into debootstrap; if you just need to clone installs, there are even better approaches
[21:38] <Tha-Fox> kostkon: thanks a lot! I use most of the time Arch, so Ubuntu upgrades are not too familiar. I'll see what I can accomplish with those directions
[21:38] <ryan-c> reisio: I don't do many installs, I just prefer the text installer and a minimal set of packages.
[21:38] <k1l> JV___: did you try the solution suggested in the end of the error message?
[21:38] <kostkon> Tha-Fox: np
[21:38] <JV___> Yes
[21:38] <ryan-c> I saw a network install that uses pxe boot, is that the one you're talking about as 'minimal'?
[21:38] <reisio> ryan-c: don't we all
[21:38] <JV___> done muliple time
[21:38] <reisio> ryan-c: just type ubuntu minimal cd into your browser
[21:39] <JV___> many time
[21:39] <k1l> JV___: run apt-get update?
[21:39] <ryan-c> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD < Ah, this?
[21:39] <JV___> yes
[21:39] <reisio> ryan-c: undoubtedly
[21:39] <JV___> done the same
[21:39] <ryan-c> oh, that really is minimal
[21:39] <reisio> ryan-c: well, it fits on a CD
[21:39] <reisio> which is a start
[21:39] <ryan-c> it says it's ~37MB
[21:40] <JV___> i removed and added the apt source list too
[21:40] <JV___> clean many time yeat same
[21:40] <k1l> JV___: try to switch to the main mirror or wait until your mirror is repaired
[21:41] <reisio> ryan-c: normal for a Debian 'businesscard' "netinstall" image
[21:41] <reisio> =)
[21:41] <gimmic> when using netboot to install/deploy LTS, how could I specify a different kernel(earlier)?
[21:41] <JV___> its some kind of repo server  level issues ?
[21:41] <ryan-c> reisio: I use debian's netinstall fairly often
[21:42] <gimmic> actually same vein as the current discussion
[21:42] <JV___> last 4 hours i try few many way but same issues
[21:42] <gimmic> I use foreman/puppet to deploy ubuntu to several systems
[21:42] <reisio> I use george/mspiggy
[21:42] <gimmic> the problem is I can't use the current kernel- 3.13.0-30
[21:42] <gimmic> I need to use 3.13.0-29
[21:43] <gimmic> but If I downgrade to it later, I have boot failures. It seems like there should be a way with the netinstall to specify kernel
[21:43] <JV___> any way to over come now ?
[21:43] <Sc0tty-> how do I run a program from the terminal?
[21:44] <cool_boy> OerHeks: thanks
[21:44] <reisio> Sc0tty-: which program?
[21:44] <k1l> JV___: do you even read what people tell you?
[21:44] <Sc0tty-> one I have written and compiled with gcc
[21:45] <reisio> Sc0tty-: just chmod +x it, type its path and hit enter
[21:45] <JV___> not getting
[21:45] <reisio> Sc0tty-: or put it into any path in PATH (echo $PATH / export PATH)
[21:45] <k1l> JV___: switch to the main servers. or dont ask any question if you dont read the answers
[21:47] <JV___> swich to main server means default repo instead of  apt-catch ?
[21:47] <Sc0tty-> reisio: thanks!
[21:48] <k1l> JV___: no. it means the main server instead of the country mirrors
[21:50] <JV___> may be i am not getting correctly . can you share any link how to change ? i would try the same
[21:50] <k1l> JV___: or remove the local apt lists in /var/lib/apt/.
[21:50] <JV___> this is i done
[21:50] <JV___> i tried
[21:51] <k1l> JV___: as i told you already. if you dont understand properly try to ask in #ubuntu-in
[21:52] <Tha-Fox> unfortunately this does not help me: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades it is still trying to upgrade me straight to saucy salamander instead of unsupported raring ringtail (13.04). could the old "sed trick" still work where I change all occurrences of "quental" to "raring" in my sources.list if the urls point to old-releases.ubuntu.com?
[21:53] <JV___> i think your way of talk is much smart
[21:53] <JV___> anyway bye
[21:54] <trism> Tha-Fox: it is supposed to be possible, it is documented on the saucy upgrades page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades
[21:55] <trism> Tha-Fox: since 12.10 was sort of a strange release in that it is supported longer than 13.04 because of the change in support periods
[21:56] <Tha-Fox> trism: thanks for the answer. I too noticed that it's longer supported than the next one :)
[21:57] <JV___> some kind of kernel level bug
[21:57] <JV___> on 14.04
[22:01] <theUser1241> HI, how to use xdotool delay? xdotool --delay 50 type "Hi" says delay is no option...
[22:03] <ajf> I want my directory sizes without seeing literally every subdirectory of every directory
[22:03] <ajf> Is there a way to make du do that
[22:03] <trism> theUser1241: you just got the order wrong: xdotool type --delay 50 Hi
[22:04] <theUser1241> trism: oh, ty! I noticed if i use it with a line of text, it will loose characters, or type some bad characters
[22:09] <MonkeyDust> ajf  du -d 1
[22:10] <ajf> Ah thanks
[22:10] <ajf> I ended up doing just sudo du -s for each of the 7 dirs I had
[22:11] <MonkeyDust> ajf  or du -hd 1
[22:11] <edition> i ruined pulseaudio, is there a way of reinstalling it for xubuntu?
[22:11] <ajf> Uninstall and reinstall?
[22:12] <ajf> MonkeyDust: Any way to exclude hidden dirs?
[22:12] <edition> oh. fixed it!
[22:12] <ajf> actually
[22:13] <edition> :)
[22:13] <ajf> that would’ve been bad
[22:13] <ajf> Just noticed how big .dogecoin is...
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> ajf  man du
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> edition   sudo apt-get install --reinstall pulseaudio
[22:13] <edition> thanks. the problem was with  /etc/pulse/default.pa
[22:13] <edition> btw, where do most applications store their config?
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> edition  in /etc/
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> edition  and in ~/.config
[22:14] <edition> both?
[22:14] <edition> ok
[22:15] <edition> so if I need to completely reinstall an app, including the config..
[22:18] <edition> firefox has no sound!
[22:19] <ajf> :(
[22:20] <edition> why???
[22:22] <etronik> HI all, I just added a HDD (from prior laptop) to a system with an SSD, and now PC keeps booting from the HDD instead of from the SSD, how do I go back to booting from SSD ? TIA!
[22:22] <etronik> btw, old HDD had older version of Ubuntu, SSD has 14.04
[22:23] <Tzunamii> etronik: Just go into the new system's BIOS and change the boot order
[22:23] <edition> under /etc, where is jack?
[22:23] <etronik> Tzunamii: the BIOS already is statig the SDD as 1st boot priority
[22:24] <friendlyfascism> etronik, How old is the computer?
[22:24] <etronik> friendlyfascism: hmm a few days old
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> edition  whereis jack
[22:24] <friendlyfascism> etronik, The SSD was the only HD before the other HD?
[22:24] <edition> :/
[22:25] <monoton> hello and good evening.
[22:25] <monoton> is Ubuntu 10.04 the last version before they went gnome3, or are there later versions?
[22:25] <etronik> friendlyfascism: e brand new :-) Z97 chipset and yes the SSD was the only hd before addign the other one
[22:26] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Strange a computer with no slave setup should boot from the HD read first are you sure you have this set correctly?
[22:27] <etronik> friendlyfascism: set what up correctly ? the BIOS ?
[22:27] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Yes the bios, and no change in the type in the bios?
[22:27] <friendlyfascism> sata..etc
[22:28] <etronik> friendlyfascism: in my UEFI BIOS there's not much to go wrong, 1st order is the SSD (and I don't even see the HDD), only deep in the advanced setup and it's listed as second priority
[22:28] <Cloud1997> I have a 220gb drive with two partitions on it. 1=100gb Linux, 2=140gb Windows. Drive is blank. Question 1: Why can't I choose NTFS anymore for Windows? Question 2: What Mount points do I select for each partition?
[22:29] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Than change the advanced
[22:29] <etronik> friendlyfascism: change to what ? HDD in the first priority ?
[22:29] <friendlyfascism> YES
[22:29] <friendlyfascism> it is not rocket science
[22:29] <Cloud1997> What is friendly fascism?
[22:30] <etronik> but.. I want to boot from the SSD not the HDD...  does not seem logivcal
[22:30] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, It's a book read it.
[22:30] <friendlyfascism> a concept
[22:30] <Cloud1997> I get it.
[22:30] <friendlyfascism> etronik> friendlyfascism: in my UEFI BIOS there's not much to go wrong, 1st order is the SSD (and I don't even see the HDD), only deep in the advanced setup and it's listed as second priority. Does this mean in the advanced the SSD is second?
[22:31] <Cloud1997> It's the bankers.
[22:31] <etronik> friendlyfascism: deep in the advanced menu, HDD is listed as second priotity ! why would I change that to list HDD as first priority ?
[22:32] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Since you seem to not understand me I'm asking you to be clear as well.
[22:32] <monoton> Cloud1997: remember that usually Windows want to be the first partition on the disk...
[22:32] <etronik> ah ok, it was not cristal clear... sorry
[22:32] <Cloud1997> So what mount points do I select?
[22:32] <tubular39485> I'm having some issues with video drivers on an AMD laptop with an ATI card. Was using fglrx, Xorg took ~50% CPU (some of the time, anyways) and a huge amount of ram. Switched to fglrx-updates, seemed to be doing the same thing (reinstalled drivers, logged out and back in, which seemed to reset Xorg, before restarting - I have now restarted and we'll see if it changes.)
[22:33] <etronik> friendlyfascism: to clear it up: basic options SSD as 1st prio, deep in the advanced settings SSD as 1st prio
[22:34] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Do you have 4 primary partitions as of now?
[22:34] <tubular39485> Thing is, I switched away from the free drivers because the screen wasn't coming back on at all after suspend, and the proprietary drivers fixed that problem. Any advice on fixing either problem? (suspend seems doable if only I knew Linux magic)
[22:34] <monoton> Cloud1997: I'm not sure I got the problem right... you are about to install ubuntu, and have windwos installed before, or nothing installed before, or?
[22:35] <Cloud1997> Nothing installed before.
[22:35] <Cloud1997> Fresh pc
[22:35] <Cloud1997> I want Linux + Windows. I get to the partition screen and it's asking for mount points?
[22:35] <monoton> yeah suspend seems to still be a problem on lots of laptops :( and no userfriendly way to fix their problem in sight....
 I have a 220gb drive with two partitions on it. 1=100gb Linux, 2=140gb Windows. Drive is blank. Question 1: Why can't I choose NTFS anymore for Windows? Question 2: What Mount points do I select for each partition? HOw can you have partitions and a blank drive?
[22:36] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Pastebin sudo parted -l
[22:36] <Cloud1997> friendlyfascism:  Why would there be 4 partitions?
[22:36] <monoton> Cloud1997: if you have an empty hard disk, and want to have both Windows and Linux, then I recommend to install Windows first, on first half of the disk, and then Linux on the other half
[22:37] <Maltahl> i have some problems connecting to a VPN (PPTP) on Ubuntu Server 14.04 i have tried installing the GUI to see if that helped using network-manager-pptp. but when i enter the details are provided by my VPN provider i click the On Switch and then it stays saying not connected. Then when i click the on/off button agian to turn it off it crashes the network-manager
[22:37] <Cloud1997> monoton:  Windows hasn't arrived yet so I'm just going to put Linux on for now and leave the other partition for later. Yes I know Windows will destroy the boot loader but I think I remember how to restore it.
[22:37] <monoton> or if you have files on the disk before, move those last on the disk perhaps, as third partition maybe
[22:38] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Your description is raggedy, pastebin sudo parted -l
[22:39] <Cloud1997> friendlyfascism:  I am on a laptop separate from the pc which has nothing on it. No browser, no pastebin!
[22:39] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Boot the live cd and run it.
[22:39] <Cloud1997> No
[22:39] <friendlyfascism> dvd/usb actually
[22:39] <monoton> Cloud1997: ok. yeah you can fix the boot loader and grub boot menu later after the Windows install. just leave enough space in the start of the disk for windows. make an empty partition there for it
[22:39] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Cool, but not being on the computer to show stuff is bad use of the channel.
[22:40] <friendlyfascism> you are making us guess that is not good
[22:41] <ajf> Hey
[22:41] <ajf> does setgid propagate for dirs?
[22:41] <ajf> If I make a dir in a setgid folder
[22:41] <ajf> will it have setgid too?
[22:41] <Cloud1997> monoton:  Yep. I was going to leave it just blank as EXT4 partition. But it asks what the mount points should be. Perhaps it's / for the main parition, /home for the other one but it's just a guess. I went on a google search and it didn't help that much.
[22:42] <monoton> Cloud, depending on your needs, a third partition for data (to be used by both your windows and linux programs) can be nice to have. I usually do that as fat32 wich is nice if you don't need files that are larger than 4 GB (video editing maybe?)
[22:42] <Cloud1997> I found an almost identical problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/370208/what-mount-point-should-i-use-for-data-free-space
[22:43] <ajf> Aha
[22:43] <ajf> setgid does propagate :)
[22:43] <monoton> Cload1997 yeah "/" is where linux os is installed. if you want a separate partition for your home directory (why?) then that one would be /home/
[22:46] <kmitchell> hey what's the terminal command name to open display settings window?
[22:46] <causasui> so, when executed in the shell, this command gives no output. but when executed in cron, I get log entries with the output of the ping command. What gives? if ping -c 1 hostname 1> /dev/null ; then ssh -fgNTR 1999:localhost:22 me@hostname -p 22222; fi # names changed to protect the innocent
[22:47] <monoton> Cloud1997: I'm not sure how ubuntu installation program is these days, but you can always partition the disk before install with gparted. (if gparted is not included in the ubuntu livedvd you can get it with synaptic package manager or Softwarecenter (if you have enough ram memory), in gparted you can format the first gonna-be-windows as ntfs perhaps (or fat32 and the windows installation will reformat it as ntfs later...)
[22:47] <etronik> rehi - somehow solved the sdd booting thing
[22:48] <Cloud1997> monoton:  The issue was that I was selecting Primary each time for both partitions. So it was asking me to choose a different mount point each time. It's accepted / for both now.
[22:48] <nolo> so i have this weird issue where randomly tf2 becomes sluggish. i suspect it has to do with unity in that it doesn't happen with gnome or kde. it happened with my previous amd card, and my now nvidia card, both with proprietary drivers (although was fine with the open source amd one). anyone else have similar issues?
[22:49] <monoton> Cloud1997: oh now I think I understand your questsion, you wonder about what to set the partitions that is not gonna be used by linux to? and no you sohuld not set a mount point to them!
[22:49] <Cloud1997> Yes
[22:50] <Cloud1997> But why would it not allow me to choose NTFS anymore?
[22:51] <monoton> only the partitions where you will install linux (or have swap or your linux username home) can be made in the ubuntu installation program. Other partitions where you will not put linux things must be made outside the installation program. like the NTFS partition. make those with gparted instead
[22:53] <monoton> if you didn't have any partitions on the disk before, then I recommend to quit the installation program and run gparted first from the livecd before installing, so you can make the (empty) windows partition first
[22:53] <monoton> and then run the installation program.
[22:53] <Cloud1997> monoton:  I get it. Thanks for the help.
[22:53] <etronik> I'm creating a new swap partition on the HDD, what filesystem do I specify for it ?
[22:54] <kmitchell> ANyone know the shell command to open settings?
[22:54] <Cloud1997> etronik:  I think there is a swap option itself.
[22:54] <kmitchell> or the display settings in 14.04
[22:55] <Tzunamii> Yes, there's a filesystem specifically for swap
[22:55] <etronik> Cloud1997, yeah I did specify swap as the partition type...
[22:55] <friendlyfascism> kmitchell, why are you using the terminal for that?
[22:56] <etronik> but do I need to format that swap partition (before was something else) - brand new partition on a secondary HDD
[22:56] <kmitchell> friendly fascim i'm in awesome window manager and have two monitors on ...
[22:56] <Guest65244> Hey guys
[22:57] <robd_> I set a hard and soft limit for a user in /etc/security/limits.conf but it's not being reflected when I run "ulimit -a" as the user
[22:57] <friendlyfascism> kmitchell, It would easier to use synapse..etc
[22:57] <robd_> I've logged out / logged back in and am still getting the lower default limit
[22:58] <kmitchell> friendlyfascism: i found it but unfortunately won't let me choose one monitor. an error shows up...
[22:58] <friendlyfascism> kmitchell, found what?
[23:00] <infinmed> Hello everyone!
[23:00] <friendlyfascism> displays is a gui does it even show in  awesome window manager
[23:00] <monoton> hello infinmed
[23:01] <tubular39485> kmitchell: monitors can be set using xrandr (though you'll have to learn how to use it), unity-control-center may be what you're looking for
[23:01] <monoton> what is tha last version of Ubuntu before it used gnome3?
[23:03] <kmitchell> tubular39485: do you know how to work xrandr?
[23:03] <k1l_> monoton: there is no supported ubuntu desktop version with gnome2 anymore. but you can use another desktop enviroment on ubuntu
[23:04] <friendlyfascism> !xrandr | kmitchell
[23:05] <k1l_> monoton: if you want the gnome2 look back try the fallback mode or see if xubuntu or Lubuntu fit your needs
[23:07] <friendlyfascism> monoton, mate is in 14.04 might be closer to gnome 2, your call.
[23:08] <philippe> hi everyone :)
[23:08] <scaredpianobench> http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/florida-man-drowns-after-beating-girlfriend-her-mother-to-death-police
[23:09] <scaredpianobench> james earl jones be beatin wimmenz to def
[23:09] <scaredpianobench> did i get kicked?
[23:10] <Guest17855> Hello. I try to get dwm work here. So I use a custom .desktop with the entry /etc/X11/Xsession but then the screen blanks and I have to put my password again...
[23:10] <monoton> ok
[23:10] <k1l_> scaredpianobench: yes. if you want to take part in this technical support channel act according to the guidelines
[23:11] <scaredpianobench> no links about murder?
[23:12] <monoton> Guest17855: what are you trying to do?
[23:15] <Guest17855> monoton: thx. I try to make lightdm run my .xinitrc basically
[23:17] <wheresmypaaants> l
[23:17] <maxflax> Trying to get bootcamp making me a partition so I can install linux. It whines about that I need to insert a Windows 7 disc in the drive. Anyone have any tips how to circumvent this?
[23:17] <borbit> Are you on mac?
[23:17] <maxflax> borbit: yes
[23:17] <borbit> I think bootcamp only does windows en osX
[23:18] <borbit> maxflax: bootcamp only does win and osX
[23:18] <borbit> how do say something to someone?
[23:18] <maxflax> Have used bootcamp on earlier OS X so I could install linux but with OS X Maverick they have changed this as it seems.
[23:18] <monoton> Guest17855: sorry I can't say I know anything about lightdm :-/
[23:18] <friendlyfascism> !tab | borbit
[23:19] <borbit> friendlyfascism, like this?
[23:19] <friendlyfascism> yep
[23:20] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: i could not use bootcamp on maverics either... refit did it...
[23:20] <borbit> Now you get some extra alert?
[23:20] <friendlyfascism> borbit, yes it is colored here.
[23:20] <tubular39485> maxflax: it can be done, you just have to partition and install yourself. rEFIt for bootloader?
[23:20] <friendlyfascism> green
[23:20] <tubular39485> borbit: yep, irc clients higlight your own name
[23:20] <Guest17855> monoton: I'll try to read my Xorg log, thx anyway
[23:20] <amed> how to download all images from https://drive.google.com/ with wget ?
[23:21] <borbit> Oke I'm thinking to buy a asus t100 transformer tablet/ laptop. Is it possible to use ubuntu on it? Dual boot. Or does it not work on such a device? I think it had a normal intel cpu?
[23:21] <borbit> intel atom or something?
[23:21] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: ok, I guess you did your own partitioning before refit?
[23:22] <friendlyfascism> borbit, https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=ubuntu+asus+t100+transformer+tablet&gbv=1&sei=o7fFU9uXAsXNigLI6YHACA
[23:22] <amed> #join ubuntu-es
[23:22] <maxflax> tubular39485: using rEFInd
[23:23] <friendlyfascism> amed, /join
[23:23] <amed> friendlyfascism, lol
[23:23] <borbit> friendlyfascism, thanks. That website looks really useful. Is it only for searching computer related things or also other things?
[23:24] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: yeap..if i remember correctly
[23:24] <friendlyfascism> borbit, I just gave you a google search, what website?
[23:24] <borbit> friendlyfascism, yes google. It looks really useful!
[23:25] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: Wanted to avoid reinstalling osx. but I guess Im forced to if a I want to install linux on it.
[23:25] <friendlyfascism> borbit, It or any other of the handful of search engines
[23:25] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: why?
[23:25] <iamwhoiam> i didnt
[23:26] <borbit> friendlyfascism, what is this "search engine" you speak off? I'm not a mechanic. I no very little about engines.
[23:26] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: only have my hfs+ partition now.
[23:26] <friendlyfascism> borbit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine
[23:27] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: or can I rezise it with ubuntu live cd installer?
[23:28] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: if i remember correctly, i installed refit.. then disk utility (sth like that?) to create the partitions, insert live cd/dvd
[23:28] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: and format the partitions from there
[23:29] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: am i missing something?
[23:29] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: and keeping your os x installation?
[23:29] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: yeap... booting is done by refit,
[23:29] <binary> hi, is it possible to change the ubuntu logo during grub boot screen for an install iso? i am having a hard time finding any documention. the only documentation i have found is for live isos, not install isos
[23:30] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: I know, but can the live cd rezise the hfs+ partition so I can create new partitions?
[23:30] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: i use macosx only when i need the battery, so not really mac user
[23:30] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: this you will do from within macosx..
[23:30] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: disk utility is called, no?
[23:30] <ice9> is there a forked project from gnome 2?
[23:31] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: ok, testing it right now,
[23:33] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: 1. install refit, 2. disk utility and create/resize the partitions you are going to need, 3. boot *ubuntu and just choose the partitions you ae going to need
[23:34] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: keep in mind this is the general steps, if something is needed in between, you have to check as i dont remember (had a lot of issues making things running afterwards)
[23:34] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: I know, using rEFInd thou.. refit is no longer developed.
[23:36] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: vale.. good luck
[23:36] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: Did it 2 years ago... decided to upgrade my OSX to Maverick which destroyed all so now Im doing a fresh install.
[23:36] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: your upgrade destroyed everything? mine, from the apple store thing was fine
[23:37] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: it created problems within mac, changed directories of compilers and libraries, so i never used it again for work.. but the linux part was ok - besides its own problems that it already had
[23:38] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: the installer didn't like my partitions so I tried to fix that and in the process I had to remove my linux partition
[23:39] <c4rd3> hi
[23:39] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: wanted to try the new XCode which didn't work on my old OSX
[23:39] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: i know i konw :(
[23:39] <UBuxuBU> need help
[23:40] <UBuxuBU> dead hard drive or possible boot sector virus in a windows laptop-i want to install avast into ubuntu and scan the dead HDD to kill virus in windows
[23:41] <UBuxuBU> runnning ubuntu live right now on the dead machine
[23:41] <UBuxuBU> where in ubuntu do i find that dead HDD?
[23:41] <UBuxuBU> dont see it
[23:42] <rypervenche> UBuxuBU: Hi there
[23:42] <maxflax> UBuxuBU: you have to mount it
[23:43] <UBuxuBU> how do i do that
[23:43] <UBuxuBU> where is that part
[23:43] <rypervenche> UBuxuBU: What does "sudo lsblk" show? (put in pastebin please)
[23:43] <UBuxuBU> cuz the drive cannot be seen by windows anymore
[23:43] <UBuxuBU> can ubuntu see it?
[23:44] <skjones> is there still issues with chromium?
[23:44] <maxflax> UBuxuBU: Use Hirens boot cd. have all the tools u need.
[23:46] <OerHeks> maxflax, hirens is illegal, do not suggest it here. use UBcd instead, thanks
[23:46] <friendlyfascism> skjones, depends on who you ask and I believe it has lost support.
[23:46] <jeff_1> Hi, I cannot seem to log in via the window manager, can anyone help me with this?
[23:47] <skjones> friendlyfascism, what does "lost support" mean?
[23:48] <jeff_1> I am not sure where to start troubleshooting this problem, any help along the way would be appreciated
[23:48] <josh> Heya guys
[23:48] <maxflax> OerHeks: ok, sorry. Ultimate Boot cd is good aswell.
[23:49] <friendlyfascism> skjones,  I thought I had seen that the development was winding down.
[23:49] <OerHeks> jeff_1, after typing password, do you return to login? you might suffer this .Xauthority issue >http://askubuntu.com/questions/436925/ownership-of-xauthority-transferred-to-root
[23:50] <Guest24101> Hello Guys
[23:50] <iamwhoiam> OerHeks: an honest question, why is hirens illegal?
[23:50] <jeff_1> OerHeks: No I just checked, I have ownership permission for the .Xauthority file
[23:51] <OerHeks> iamwhoiam, there is a small xp installation on it, and some partitiontools are paid
[23:51] <jeff_1> OerHeks: And yes, after typing password, I just return to the login screen
[23:51] <OerHeks> jeff_1, then i have no clue :-(
[23:52] <jeff_1> Where might I start troubleshooting this problem?
[23:53] <jeff_1> Also this problem just emerged when I installed updates this morning, the updates were to some X11 packages
[23:55] <Maltahl> sorry for write this agian but its been over an hour: i have some problems connecting to a VPN (PPTP) on Ubuntu Server 14.04 i have tried installing the GUI to see if that helped using network-manager-pptp. but when i enter the details are provided by my VPN provider i click the On Switch and then it stays saying not connected. Then when i click the on/off button agian to turn it off it crashes the network-manager
[23:58] <maxflax> jeff_1: When it fails to start X11 it throws you back to the login screen. Had the same problem some years ago.
[23:58] <hans_> hello i have a brightness question
[23:58] <jeff_1> maxflax: how did you solve it?
[23:58] <hans_> xbacklight -set 40% wont work
[23:58] <jeff_1> maxflax: Right now I am trying to reinstall the NVIDIA driver