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=== manny__ is now known as mannyv
apacheloggerbrmbrrm08:05
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: here's a  bit of a porting problem, there's no bindings yet ^^08:05
Riddellpyqt has bindings08:06
Riddellwhat more bindings do you need?08:06
apacheloggerRiddell: kf508:06
apacheloggerupdate-manager-kde appears to use pykde, so does usb-creator-kde so does software-properties-kde08:07
apacheloggerwhat we could do (and I would find much better anyway) is binding c++ to the python libs we use and write the gui in c++ :P08:08
Peace-hey i have tested plasma 5 on 14.04 and :D i can't connect to my wifi , it ask me for the password then i can't write hte password :D08:08
apacheloggerof course cpython is a bit of madness to behold and since I think there is no tech enabling this in any sort of speedy fashion that might be slightly over the top08:08
Riddellapachelogger: :)08:11
RiddellScottK: calligra can find visio, I think it's problem is libodfgen is too new08:18
apacheloggerRiddell: if you find a minute, please test kde:about-distro master08:46
apacheloggerit now uses systemd's /etc/os-release rather than the unspecified /etc/lsb_release08:47
RiddellI'm pretty sure lsb_release is speified by lsb08:47
RiddellKDE now depends on systemd!08:48
apacheloggerRiddell: it isn't08:50
apacheloggerlsb_release the binary is specified08:50
Riddellmm08:51
apacheloggerwhere the binary gets its data from is completely in the dark, and since I'd rather not want to call lsb_release and parse stdout /etc/os-release is the better choice (what with systemd getting adopted all around anyway)08:52
Riddelltell that to arch :)08:52
apacheloggerRiddell: why arch?08:53
Riddellthey don't like systemd no?08:55
apacheloggerI dunno08:55
apacheloggeros-release isn't dependent on systemd anyway, it just happens to be part of systemd's components ;)08:56
apacheloggerhttp://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/os-release.html08:56
Riddellhttp://0pointer.de/blog/projects/os-release was more interesting08:56
Riddellapachelogger: yep about-distro compiles and runs successfully08:57
apacheloggergroovy08:57
apacheloggeron the way to download.kde09:02
apacheloggerbot broken11:29
* apachelogger sighs11:30
apacheloggerkubotu: what happened to you?11:31
apacheloggerW, [2014/07/16 11:30:47#21191]  WARN -- rfc2812.rb:1393:in `process': Unknown message ":wilhelm.freenode.net 474 kubotu #kubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned"11:33
apacheloggerlol11:33
apacheloggerwho banned the bot in offtopic?11:33
Riddellooh nice http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/how-to-install-plasma-5-in-kubuntu-1410.html11:33
* apachelogger looks at jussi11:33
ScottKRiddell: Oh.11:57
Riddelloh?11:59
RiddellPlasma 5.1 Kickoff meeting in #plasma !11:59
ScottKRe calligra11:59
BluesKaj'Morning all12:36
ejatif im in trusty 12:57
ejatwhich repo should i  add to get kde512:57
ejatkubuntu Next only got utopic 12:57
sgclarkakaik it will only be available for utopic12:58
ejatno plan for back port? 12:59
turgaywhen daily build will be kde5  13:00
soeeyou can use neon13:00
turgay14.1013:00
soeeturgay: i think it wont13:01
ejatsoee: u mean ppa:neon/kf513:03
ejatthat ppa ? 13:03
soeeejat: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext13:03
ejatthanks soee13:04
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shadeslayerejat: no plans to backport no13:08
shadeslayerthe thrust of development will be for Utopic13:08
* ejat okie noted that .. 13:09
ejatshadeslayer: is it ok to use project neon ppa ? 13:10
apacheloggerthrust what where? time warp???13:10
shadeslayeryes13:10
Riddell14:10 <mck182> digital clock having date13:13
jmuxRiddell: I sent a blog proposal. I have a meeting with PR in 30 minutes to get it posted - can you check the text? Sorry I'm out of office the rest of the week, so I'm a bit in a hurry to get it posted this week ;-)13:30
Riddelljmux: sorry also im a meeting for next 30 mins13:33
Riddelljmux: go ahead if you want I trust you13:33
Riddelljmux: oh change KDE513:33
=== Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz
Riddellto Plasma 5 and Kubuntu integration13:33
Riddellthere's no such thing as KDE5 so best to stick to the branding13:34
Riddelljmux: should your blog be on planetkde?13:34
jmuxRiddell: ok - thanks for the feedback - I thought KDE5 is the branding - will recheck it13:34
Riddellvery much not :)13:35
jmuxI don't think th eofficial Munich IT blog is on planetkde. It's more are reference for you, when you wnat to blog.13:35
jmuxRiddell: Anyway - thanks for the quick review. The input from five people should be sufficient.13:47
shadeslayerbah13:49
DarkwingMorning!14:15
DarkwingDistro-Hopping Dave is back. 14:15
sgclarkwelcome back14:16
Riddellpeople always come back to kubuntu, it's because we're so good to hug14:18
shadeslayerand because we have hot tubs14:19
shadeslayermostly because we have hot tubs14:19
* shadeslayer is annoyed by http://paste.ubuntu.com/7803667/14:19
DarkwingI'm still annoyed that whose of us with HiDPI screens have to suck it up lol14:21
=== greyback|lunch is now known as greyback
RiddellDarkwing: tried plasma 5?14:25
DarkwingRiddell: I'm downloading now. 14:26
RiddellDarkwing: it may eat your babies14:26
Riddellbut it'll do so in quite a polite way14:26
Riddellsgclark: d14:26
Riddellsorry14:26
Riddellshadeslayer: does gdb-minimal conflict with gdb?14:26
DarkwingLol! 14:26
RiddellI think I've seen that issue14:27
sgclarkRiddell: ?14:27
Riddellnothing sgclark 14:27
DarkwingWell... If it can replace the baby that the wife and I are manufacturing with a KDE and Qt compliant one... I'll be happy14:27
shadeslayerdunno14:27
Riddellshadeslayer: yes it does, fix depends of plasma-desktop14:30
shadeslayerok14:30
Riddellto be  gdb-minimal | gdb  I guess14:30
Riddellthat's for dekonqi I think14:30
shadeslayeryah14:30
DarkwingSo are we trying to push Plasma 5 into Utopic?14:31
DarkwingPlus I'm gong to assume that due to Trusty being LTS we aren't backporting...14:32
shadeslayerwatch files in plasma-desktop are wrong14:35
shadeslayerhurray14:35
sgclarkshadeslayer: watch file are n my todo, but you can if you want14:36
DarkwingDoes Aaron H still hang out here?14:37
shadeslayersgclark: feel free to fix other watch file issues14:41
shadeslayerI need to work on some other stuff14:41
BluesKajsystemd-shim fails to install because cgmanager isn't configured yet on the most recent upgrade; http://paste.kde.org/plkuvatze14:49
BluesKajso guess I'm stuck here, not agle to upgrade any further14:52
BluesKajable rather14:52
shadeslayerBluesKaj: please report in #ubuntu-devel14:53
shadeslayeror you know, don't use systemd14:53
BluesKajyeah shadeslayer, guess I'll re-edit grub , probly a good idea :)14:55
apacheloggershadeslayer: how does one know that a watch file is wrong14:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: because it uses ftp.kde.org14:57
shadeslayerinstead of download.kde.org14:58
apacheloggerftp should work as well14:58
shadeslayersure, but it's deprecated and going to be removed14:58
shadeslayerat some point 14:58
apacheloggerit is oh my14:58
sgclarkahh see that I did not know14:58
apacheloggerthen my original thought applies14:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: automate \o/14:58
shadeslayeryes14:59
apacheloggerget all dem branches, switch to download.kde xD14:59
shadeslayerwe need template meta packaging14:59
apacheloggeryeah, that too :P14:59
shadeslayertemplatify all the things14:59
* apachelogger ponders going for a bike ride14:59
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/puuaslqbw14:59
shadeslayer"Returned true unexpectedly"14:59
apacheloggerthat's a first15:00
apacheloggershadeslayer, Riddell: by the wayz ... we'll want to throw kubuntu qt5 ports at ppa, otherwise crap will look alien in plasmaold15:02
DarkwingMy lord this is beautiful 15:05
Quintasan>"Returned true unexpectedly"15:05
Quintasanlol'd15:05
shadeslayermuch fun is being had when packaging KF515:06
DarkwingHuh. Still no UI scaling...15:07
shadeslayerstill WIP15:07
shadeslayerprobably for 5.115:07
DarkwingBut it looks better than 4 did on this screen15:08
BluesKajheh, as soon as I stopped using systemd and upgraded, systemd-shim and cgmanager installed and configured15:10
BluesKajdaemon I guess15:10
* Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=16815:14
Riddellapachelogger: qt5 ports?15:15
RiddellDarkwing: arron h is around occationally is us evenings15:16
DarkwingOkay. 15:16
DarkwingSo, Plasma5 is beautiful on my HiDPI screen15:16
Riddellyay!15:17
RiddellDarkwing: screenshot screenshot!15:17
DarkwingGive me a moment. :-D15:17
DarkwingSome of the fonts and stuff are a bit small. 15:18
DarkwingI have force the fonts but the sysui doesn't scale just yet15:18
DarkwingActually, only one I could find that did scale proper was Ubuntu Unity. 15:19
DarkwingThe downside of that is that's its Unity.15:19
Darkwing*that it is15:19
shadeslayerRiddell: hurrray, that gdb thing fixed it15:27
shadeslayerlets see how far I can get to getting a ISO15:27
* Riddell crosses fingers15:28
shadeslayersgclark: the version in kemoticons is wrong15:47
shadeslayer5.0.0-0ubuntu1.215:47
shadeslayeryou want 5.0.0-0ubuntu215:47
* shadeslayer fixes and pushes15:48
sgclarkshadeslayer: hmm. all I did was a merge on that, sorry missed15:48
shadeslayeryep, which is why the ping :)15:48
shadeslayerplease take care of versions when merging15:48
DarkwingOkay. 2560x1440 screenshot. http://imgur.com/a/BfxmE15:48
shadeslayerthough all of this will a thing of the past soon \o/15:49
sgclarkshadeslayer: ok will do15:49
sgclarkshadeslayer: oh yeah?15:49
shadeslayersgclark: yeah, we want to move to a template based packaging system15:49
RiddellDarkwing: huh you have kscreen? where's that from?15:49
DarkwingEh?15:50
RiddellDarkwing: that display configuration tool we don't ship that (do we?)15:51
DarkwingThat's the live Neon Image.15:51
Riddellaah right15:51
DarkwingMore to show the resolution. 15:52
Riddellyep15:52
DarkwingDang its beautiful lol15:52
shadeslayersgclark: same thing with kio btw15:52
RiddellDarkwing: blog! blog!15:53
DarkwingI will! 15:53
Riddellyour http://opendarkwing.com/ blog is still on planet15:53
DarkwingYeah I know. Must start again. Lol15:54
shadeslayersanta: sgclark why mark those symbols as optional?15:54
DarkwingPlasma 5 was the excuse I needed for myself to get back to Kubuntu and KDE again. 15:54
=== alket_ is now known as alket
sgclarkshadeslayer: the notes said so that it would build in utopc AND debian15:55
shadeslayerwould be nice to have build logs associated with review requests15:55
sgclarkshadeslayer: can I assume I will be shown this template system or will it reduce the need for packagers?15:55
shadeslayersgclark: once we implement it, sure15:56
DarkwingI've been all over. Fedora, Suse, Debian sid KDE, Debian sid gnome, Ubuntu Gnome and Ubuntu Unity.15:56
shadeslayersgclark: it's still a idea that we're hashing out15:56
DarkwingAnd Win 8.115:56
shadeslayerand it'll reduce the need to manually package things, but there'll still be stuff to package15:56
santashadeslayer: details: one of them appears in debian sid but not on utopic, the other the opposite situation; both are private and if they are gone there's no abi break in any case15:57
shadeslayersanta: cheers, but for changes like that in the future, please attach logs to the review request15:57
shadeslayerNice to have full context15:57
shadeslayersanta: also, versioning scheme in your requests are wrong15:57
shadeslayerwe use 1.1 , 1.2 ... for SRU's15:58
RiddellDarkwing: https://trello.com/kubuntu is just waiting for you :)15:58
shadeslayersanta: just thought I'd mention that :)15:58
DarkwingRiddell: Lemme finish this Utopic Install. 15:58
DarkwingHow did I not know about this?? https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect16:00
Riddellfor some reason we don't install it by default16:02
Riddellanyone know why that is?16:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: kubotu is broken I think16:08
* sgclark will be back16:23
tsimpsonthe problem with KDE Connect is that it's monolithic rather than an architecture, every feature/protocol requires a new version (on both ends)16:30
DarkwingEek. 16:30
DarkwingI do enjoy quasseldroid16:31
BluesKajso are symlinks and app launches working in the plasma5-desktop now or does it still suffer from a whole lot of glitches?17:09
geniishadeslayer: Not sure if you recall the k3d bug I filed recently.... at any rate same behaviour except on a whim I tried with kdesudo and it works that way for some reason. But core dump like before as regular user.18:03
santaRiddell: shouldn't libkfilemetadata5-dev named libkfilemetadata-dev ? without the soname19:57
Riddellsanta: we will probably want it alongside the existing libkfilemetadata-dev if we put baloo-kf5 in the archive20:10
santaahhhhh20:10
santaok20:10
santathanks for the info20:10
shadeslayerRiddell: really, this is quite inconsistent20:38
shadeslayerwhy not just call it libkf5kfilemetadata-dev20:39
debfxin which (upstream) branch do I commit kdelibs bugfixes nowadays?20:56
shadeslayerKDE/4.14?20:58
debfxthere are no 4.13 releases anymore?21:00
debfxseems not21:04
Riddellshadeslayer: yes that would probably be a good idea21:15
shadeslayerRiddell: plus it's going to be a framework soon anyway21:19
valoriefancy!22:45
valorienice to see you again, Darkwing22:50
* valorie goes off to run22:50

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