[08:05] <apachelogger> brmbrrm
[08:05] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: here's a  bit of a porting problem, there's no bindings yet ^^
[08:06] <Riddell> pyqt has bindings
[08:06] <Riddell> what more bindings do you need?
[08:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: kf5
[08:07] <apachelogger> update-manager-kde appears to use pykde, so does usb-creator-kde so does software-properties-kde
[08:08] <apachelogger> what we could do (and I would find much better anyway) is binding c++ to the python libs we use and write the gui in c++ :P
[08:08] <Peace-> hey i have tested plasma 5 on 14.04 and :D i can't connect to my wifi , it ask me for the password then i can't write hte password :D
[08:08] <apachelogger> of course cpython is a bit of madness to behold and since I think there is no tech enabling this in any sort of speedy fashion that might be slightly over the top
[08:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: :)
[08:18] <Riddell> ScottK: calligra can find visio, I think it's problem is libodfgen is too new
[08:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you find a minute, please test kde:about-distro master
[08:47] <apachelogger> it now uses systemd's /etc/os-release rather than the unspecified /etc/lsb_release
[08:47] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure lsb_release is speified by lsb
[08:48] <Riddell> KDE now depends on systemd!
[08:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: it isn't
[08:50] <apachelogger> lsb_release the binary is specified
[08:51] <Riddell> mm
[08:52] <apachelogger> where the binary gets its data from is completely in the dark, and since I'd rather not want to call lsb_release and parse stdout /etc/os-release is the better choice (what with systemd getting adopted all around anyway)
[08:52] <Riddell> tell that to arch :)
[08:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: why arch?
[08:55] <Riddell> they don't like systemd no?
[08:55] <apachelogger> I dunno
[08:56] <apachelogger> os-release isn't dependent on systemd anyway, it just happens to be part of systemd's components ;)
[08:56] <apachelogger> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/os-release.html
[08:56] <Riddell> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/os-release was more interesting
[08:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep about-distro compiles and runs successfully
[08:57] <apachelogger> groovy
[09:02] <apachelogger> on the way to download.kde
[11:29] <apachelogger> bot broken
[11:30]  * apachelogger sighs
[11:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: what happened to you?
[11:33] <apachelogger> W, [2014/07/16 11:30:47#21191]  WARN -- rfc2812.rb:1393:in `process': Unknown message ":wilhelm.freenode.net 474 kubotu #kubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned"
[11:33] <apachelogger> lol
[11:33] <apachelogger> who banned the bot in offtopic?
[11:33] <Riddell> ooh nice http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/how-to-install-plasma-5-in-kubuntu-1410.html
[11:33]  * apachelogger looks at jussi
[11:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Oh.
[11:59] <Riddell> oh?
[11:59] <Riddell> Plasma 5.1 Kickoff meeting in #plasma !
[11:59] <ScottK> Re calligra
[12:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:57] <ejat> if im in trusty 
[12:57] <ejat> which repo should i  add to get kde5
[12:57] <ejat> kubuntu Next only got utopic 
[12:58] <sgclark> akaik it will only be available for utopic
[12:59] <ejat> no plan for back port? 
[13:00] <turgay> when daily build will be kde5  
[13:00] <soee> you can use neon
[13:00] <turgay> 14.10
[13:01] <soee> turgay: i think it wont
[13:03] <ejat> soee: u mean ppa:neon/kf5
[13:03] <ejat> that ppa ? 
[13:03] <soee> ejat: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext
[13:04] <ejat> thanks soee
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ejat: no plans to backport no
[13:08] <shadeslayer> the thrust of development will be for Utopic
[13:09]  * ejat okie noted that .. 
[13:10] <ejat> shadeslayer: is it ok to use project neon ppa ? 
[13:10] <apachelogger> thrust what where? time warp???
[13:10] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:13] <Riddell> 14:10 <mck182> digital clock having date
[13:30] <jmux> Riddell: I sent a blog proposal. I have a meeting with PR in 30 minutes to get it posted - can you check the text? Sorry I'm out of office the rest of the week, so I'm a bit in a hurry to get it posted this week ;-)
[13:33] <Riddell> jmux: sorry also im a meeting for next 30 mins
[13:33] <Riddell> jmux: go ahead if you want I trust you
[13:33] <Riddell> jmux: oh change KDE5
[13:33] <Riddell> to Plasma 5 and Kubuntu integration
[13:34] <Riddell> there's no such thing as KDE5 so best to stick to the branding
[13:34] <Riddell> jmux: should your blog be on planetkde?
[13:34] <jmux> Riddell: ok - thanks for the feedback - I thought KDE5 is the branding - will recheck it
[13:35] <Riddell> very much not :)
[13:35] <jmux> I don't think th eofficial Munich IT blog is on planetkde. It's more are reference for you, when you wnat to blog.
[13:47] <jmux> Riddell: Anyway - thanks for the quick review. The input from five people should be sufficient.
[13:49] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:15] <Darkwing> Morning!
[14:15] <Darkwing> Distro-Hopping Dave is back. 
[14:16] <sgclark> welcome back
[14:18] <Riddell> people always come back to kubuntu, it's because we're so good to hug
[14:19] <shadeslayer> and because we have hot tubs
[14:19] <shadeslayer> mostly because we have hot tubs
[14:19]  * shadeslayer is annoyed by http://paste.ubuntu.com/7803667/
[14:21] <Darkwing> I'm still annoyed that whose of us with HiDPI screens have to suck it up lol
[14:25] <Riddell> Darkwing: tried plasma 5?
[14:26] <Darkwing> Riddell: I'm downloading now. 
[14:26] <Riddell> Darkwing: it may eat your babies
[14:26] <Riddell> but it'll do so in quite a polite way
[14:26] <Riddell> sgclark: d
[14:26] <Riddell> sorry
[14:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does gdb-minimal conflict with gdb?
[14:26] <Darkwing> Lol! 
[14:27] <Riddell> I think I've seen that issue
[14:27] <sgclark> Riddell: ?
[14:27] <Riddell> nothing sgclark 
[14:27] <Darkwing> Well... If it can replace the baby that the wife and I are manufacturing with a KDE and Qt compliant one... I'll be happy
[14:27] <shadeslayer> dunno
[14:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes it does, fix depends of plasma-desktop
[14:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:30] <Riddell> to be  gdb-minimal | gdb  I guess
[14:30] <Riddell> that's for dekonqi I think
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yah
[14:31] <Darkwing> So are we trying to push Plasma 5 into Utopic?
[14:32] <Darkwing> Plus I'm gong to assume that due to Trusty being LTS we aren't backporting...
[14:35] <shadeslayer> watch files in plasma-desktop are wrong
[14:35] <shadeslayer> hurray
[14:36] <sgclark> shadeslayer: watch file are n my todo, but you can if you want
[14:37] <Darkwing> Does Aaron H still hang out here?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> sgclark: feel free to fix other watch file issues
[14:41] <shadeslayer> I need to work on some other stuff
[14:49] <BluesKaj> systemd-shim fails to install because cgmanager isn't configured yet on the most recent upgrade; http://paste.kde.org/plkuvatze
[14:52] <BluesKaj> so guess I'm stuck here, not agle to upgrade any further
[14:52] <BluesKaj> able rather
[14:53] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: please report in #ubuntu-devel
[14:53] <shadeslayer> or you know, don't use systemd
[14:55] <BluesKaj> yeah shadeslayer, guess I'll re-edit grub , probly a good idea :)
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does one know that a watch file is wrong
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because it uses ftp.kde.org
[14:58] <shadeslayer> instead of download.kde.org
[14:58] <apachelogger> ftp should work as well
[14:58] <shadeslayer> sure, but it's deprecated and going to be removed
[14:58] <shadeslayer> at some point 
[14:58] <apachelogger> it is oh my
[14:58] <sgclark> ahh see that I did not know
[14:58] <apachelogger> then my original thought applies
[14:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: automate \o/
[14:59] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:59] <apachelogger> get all dem branches, switch to download.kde xD
[14:59] <shadeslayer> we need template meta packaging
[14:59] <apachelogger> yeah, that too :P
[14:59] <shadeslayer> templatify all the things
[14:59]  * apachelogger ponders going for a bike ride
[14:59] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/puuaslqbw
[14:59] <shadeslayer> "Returned true unexpectedly"
[15:00] <apachelogger> that's a first
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: by the wayz ... we'll want to throw kubuntu qt5 ports at ppa, otherwise crap will look alien in plasmaold
[15:05] <Darkwing> My lord this is beautiful 
[15:05] <Quintasan> >"Returned true unexpectedly"
[15:05] <Quintasan> lol'd
[15:06] <shadeslayer> much fun is being had when packaging KF5
[15:07] <Darkwing> Huh. Still no UI scaling...
[15:07] <shadeslayer> still WIP
[15:07] <shadeslayer> probably for 5.1
[15:08] <Darkwing> But it looks better than 4 did on this screen
[15:10] <BluesKaj> heh, as soon as I stopped using systemd and upgraded, systemd-shim and cgmanager installed and configured
[15:10] <BluesKaj> daemon I guess
[15:14]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=168
[15:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: qt5 ports?
[15:16] <Riddell> Darkwing: arron h is around occationally is us evenings
[15:16] <Darkwing> Okay. 
[15:16] <Darkwing> So, Plasma5 is beautiful on my HiDPI screen
[15:17] <Riddell> yay!
[15:17] <Riddell> Darkwing: screenshot screenshot!
[15:17] <Darkwing> Give me a moment. :-D
[15:18] <Darkwing> Some of the fonts and stuff are a bit small. 
[15:18] <Darkwing> I have force the fonts but the sysui doesn't scale just yet
[15:19] <Darkwing> Actually, only one I could find that did scale proper was Ubuntu Unity. 
[15:19] <Darkwing> The downside of that is that's its Unity.
[15:19] <Darkwing> *that it is
[15:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hurrray, that gdb thing fixed it
[15:27] <shadeslayer> lets see how far I can get to getting a ISO
[15:28]  * Riddell crosses fingers
[15:47] <shadeslayer> sgclark: the version in kemoticons is wrong
[15:47] <shadeslayer> 5.0.0-0ubuntu1.2
[15:47] <shadeslayer> you want 5.0.0-0ubuntu2
[15:48]  * shadeslayer fixes and pushes
[15:48] <sgclark> shadeslayer: hmm. all I did was a merge on that, sorry missed
[15:48] <shadeslayer> yep, which is why the ping :)
[15:48] <shadeslayer> please take care of versions when merging
[15:48] <Darkwing> Okay. 2560x1440 screenshot. http://imgur.com/a/BfxmE
[15:49] <shadeslayer> though all of this will a thing of the past soon \o/
[15:49] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ok will do
[15:49] <sgclark> shadeslayer: oh yeah?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> sgclark: yeah, we want to move to a template based packaging system
[15:49] <Riddell> Darkwing: huh you have kscreen? where's that from?
[15:50] <Darkwing> Eh?
[15:51] <Riddell> Darkwing: that display configuration tool we don't ship that (do we?)
[15:51] <Darkwing> That's the live Neon Image.
[15:51] <Riddell> aah right
[15:52] <Darkwing> More to show the resolution. 
[15:52] <Riddell> yep
[15:52] <Darkwing> Dang its beautiful lol
[15:52] <shadeslayer> sgclark: same thing with kio btw
[15:53] <Riddell> Darkwing: blog! blog!
[15:53] <Darkwing> I will! 
[15:53] <Riddell> your http://opendarkwing.com/ blog is still on planet
[15:54] <Darkwing> Yeah I know. Must start again. Lol
[15:54] <shadeslayer> santa: sgclark why mark those symbols as optional?
[15:54] <Darkwing> Plasma 5 was the excuse I needed for myself to get back to Kubuntu and KDE again. 
[15:55] <sgclark> shadeslayer: the notes said so that it would build in utopc AND debian
[15:55] <shadeslayer> would be nice to have build logs associated with review requests
[15:55] <sgclark> shadeslayer: can I assume I will be shown this template system or will it reduce the need for packagers?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> sgclark: once we implement it, sure
[15:56] <Darkwing> I've been all over. Fedora, Suse, Debian sid KDE, Debian sid gnome, Ubuntu Gnome and Ubuntu Unity.
[15:56] <shadeslayer> sgclark: it's still a idea that we're hashing out
[15:56] <Darkwing> And Win 8.1
[15:56] <shadeslayer> and it'll reduce the need to manually package things, but there'll still be stuff to package
[15:57] <santa> shadeslayer: details: one of them appears in debian sid but not on utopic, the other the opposite situation; both are private and if they are gone there's no abi break in any case
[15:57] <shadeslayer> santa: cheers, but for changes like that in the future, please attach logs to the review request
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Nice to have full context
[15:57] <shadeslayer> santa: also, versioning scheme in your requests are wrong
[15:58] <shadeslayer> we use 1.1 , 1.2 ... for SRU's
[15:58] <Riddell> Darkwing: https://trello.com/kubuntu is just waiting for you :)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> santa: just thought I'd mention that :)
[15:58] <Darkwing> Riddell: Lemme finish this Utopic Install. 
[16:00] <Darkwing> How did I not know about this?? https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect
[16:02] <Riddell> for some reason we don't install it by default
[16:02] <Riddell> anyone know why that is?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubotu is broken I think
[16:23]  * sgclark will be back
[16:30] <tsimpson> the problem with KDE Connect is that it's monolithic rather than an architecture, every feature/protocol requires a new version (on both ends)
[16:30] <Darkwing> Eek. 
[16:31] <Darkwing> I do enjoy quasseldroid
[17:09] <BluesKaj> so are symlinks and app launches working in the plasma5-desktop now or does it still suffer from a whole lot of glitches?
[18:03] <genii> shadeslayer: Not sure if you recall the k3d bug I filed recently.... at any rate same behaviour except on a whim I tried with kdesudo and it works that way for some reason. But core dump like before as regular user.
[19:57] <santa> Riddell: shouldn't libkfilemetadata5-dev named libkfilemetadata-dev ? without the soname
[20:10] <Riddell> santa: we will probably want it alongside the existing libkfilemetadata-dev if we put baloo-kf5 in the archive
[20:10] <santa> ahhhhh
[20:10] <santa> ok
[20:10] <santa> thanks for the info
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: really, this is quite inconsistent
[20:39] <shadeslayer> why not just call it libkf5kfilemetadata-dev
[20:56] <debfx> in which (upstream) branch do I commit kdelibs bugfixes nowadays?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> KDE/4.14?
[21:00] <debfx> there are no 4.13 releases anymore?
[21:04] <debfx> seems not
[21:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes that would probably be a good idea
[21:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plus it's going to be a framework soon anyway
[22:45] <valorie> fancy!
[22:50] <valorie> nice to see you again, Darkwing
[22:50]  * valorie goes off to run