[00:06] <UltimaKR> wxl: Hi I'm back
[00:07] <UltimaKR> wxl: I looked at the two cards on http://h-node.org/videocards/catalogue/en/1/1/undef/undef/works_with_3D/PCI/undef/undef but they are both for laptops
[00:29] <john1978> Would anyone be able willing to help me with a problem with wifi?
[00:29] <ianorlin> !details
[00:29] <ianorlin> do you know what kind of wifi it is?
[00:30] <john1978> I am at a Panera.  I know the wifi works as I have used it on my home router.
[00:30] <john1978> However, when I try to connect on the router here, I am unable to do so.  I suspect it might be a problem with a redirect page they have setup.
[00:31] <ianorlin> do you see the network?
[00:31] <john1978> Yes
[00:31] <ianorlin> are you currently on phone or something and that works
[00:32] <john1978> I have two laptops with me.
[00:32] <john1978> This is not linux that I am talking to you on.
[00:32] <UltimaKR> Can anyone help me install flash player? Doing the sudo command in the terminal isn't working
[00:32] <ianorlin> which sudo command are you using and what is the error?
[00:33] <phillw> UltimaKR: this article may be of help to you. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_trusty_30way&num=1
[00:33] <UltimaKR> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[00:33] <ianorlin> john1978: did you see the nm-applet and have you run updates at home?
[00:34] <UltimaKR> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Note, selecting 'flashplugin-installer' instead of 'flashplugin-nonfree' The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:   libreadline5 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it. The following extra packages will be installed:   libasound2-plugins libspeexdsp1 Suggested packages:   firefox x-ttcidfont-conf ttf-ms
[00:34] <john1978> The nm-applet in the lower right hand corner?  if that is what you mean by see, yes.  I do believe I have run updates yet, at least beyond what was included in installation.
[00:34] <UltimaKR> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main libspeexdsp1 i386 1.2~rc1-6   404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1562::13 80] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main libasound2-plugins i386 1.0.25-2ubuntu1   404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1562::13 80] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/speex/libspeexdsp1_1.2~rc1-6_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1562::13 80] Failed to fetch http://us.
[00:35] <UltimaKR> All that stuff came up
[00:36] <phillw> UltimaKR: run the
[00:36] <phillw> sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:36] <phillw> to get rid of excess stuff.
[00:36] <john1978> I meant to say I do not believe that I have run updates yet.
[00:36] <ianorlin> UltimaKR: are you on quantal ?
[00:37] <UltimaKR> I just did the autoremove...I am not familiar with quantal?
[00:37] <UltimaKR> If you mean Lubuntu 12.10, then yes
[00:40] <UltimaKR> phillw: That article on the graphics card says they are all PCI-E...my computer only has regular PCI slots
[00:40] <john1978> any ideas ianorlin?
[00:40] <phillw> UltimaKR: okies... I'll go do some more digging :)
[00:41] <phillw> UltimaKR:  for flash, try
[00:41] <phillw> sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[00:41] <UltimaKR> Package pepperflashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source  E: Package 'pepperflashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
[00:42] <UltimaKR> That is what came up. This is all weird because my installation disc is the same as for another computer and it never had this problem
[00:43] <phillw> UltimaKR: could be a corruption in the apt data base
[00:43] <john1978> does anyone have any ideas about the problem i described above?
[00:43] <phillw> UltimaKR: you in USA ?
[00:44] <UltimaKR> phillw: Yes I am. How would I fix that corruption?
[00:44] <phillw> UltimaKR: I'll go look up a set of instructions. In the mean time, have a look at https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/geforce-8400gs-1gb-pci-express-20-video-card-gnulinux-full-low-profile-brackets and see if that is okay for you.
[00:45] <john1978> Did I do something to be ignored?
[00:45] <phillw> UltimaKR: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1776763&p=10909871#post10909871
[00:46] <UltimaKR> phillw: That still says PCI-express. My motherboard doesn't have that slot. The constraint of only having PCI is what makes it tough
[00:46] <phillw> john1978: sorry, no... just a sudden set of questions :)
[00:46] <UltimaKR> john1978: I am not ignoring you, I just have no idea how to answer your problem lol
[00:47] <john1978> Apparently, this question is not able to be answered…I have asked on multiple boards and now here to no avail.
[00:47] <john1978> sheesh :/
[00:47] <ianorlin> hmm not sure did you tpye password right
[00:47] <ianorlin> did you open browser?
[00:47] <john1978> I am not upset with you…it is just rather frustrating
[00:47] <john1978> are you talking to me ianorlin?
[00:47] <ianorlin> yes john1978
[00:47] <UltimaKR> john1978: Well I am brand new to linux so I may not be much help. Did you try the #ubuntu channel? Usually more people there if you cannot get the answer here
[00:47] <ianorlin> I have seen stuff with portal that you need to open browser
[00:48] <john1978> i did ianorlin but no dice
[00:48] <UltimaKR> phillw: This pops up: E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead
[00:48] <john1978> i will try the ubuntu channel maybe they will have some ideas
[00:48] <john1978> thanks
[00:49] <phillw> UltimaKR: do you have some non standard PPA's added?
[00:49] <UltimaKR> phillw: Yes one, but this did not work even before that.
[00:50] <phillw> remove that ppa, then preform another reset.
[00:50] <UltimaKR> Can I get back to only standard ones?
[00:50] <phillw> *perform*
[00:51] <phillw> UltimaKR: yes, use menu --> system tools --> Synaptic Packager Manager, from that app there is a tab for repository selection.
[00:52] <UltimaKR> I got rid of it and now trying the update
[00:52] <UltimaKR> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[00:53] <phillw> okies, have you run the dpkg command as well?
[00:53] <UltimaKR> what is that? Sorry I am brand new to all this
[00:54] <phillw> he says that you may need to run a 3rd command
[00:54] <UltimaKR> oh that..yeah i did
[00:54] <phillw> okies, now run
[00:54] <phillw> sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:55] <UltimaKR> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:57] <ianorlin> !eolupgrade
[00:57] <phillw> UltimaKR: I'd suggest a reboot, so we know you are running what would be expected. then try the
[00:57] <phillw> sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[00:57] <phillw> again
[00:57] <UltimaKR> reboot as in restarting the machine or reinstall?
[00:57] <ianorlin> john1978: when you try to connect with nm-applet what happens ?
[00:57] <UltimaKR> and is that eol thing for me?
[00:58] <ianorlin> yes it is UltimaKR
[00:58] <phillw> reboot as in restart
[00:58] <UltimaKR> I will try that be right back
[01:00] <UltimaKR_> Could you tell me what the command was again?
[01:00] <phillw> sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[01:01] <UltimaKR_> Package pepperflashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source  E: Package 'pepperflashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
[01:01] <UltimaKR_> Same thing
[01:02] <UltimaKR_> ianor: What was that EOL thing? Isn't that Ubuntu and not Lubuntu?
[01:02] <ianorlin> it is same for both
[01:03] <UltimaKR_> ianor: What are you saying I should do? I have 12.10
[01:04] <phillw> UltimaKR_:
[01:04] <phillw> sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install
[01:05] <phillw> sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree && sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install
[01:05] <UltimaKR_> is that all one line?
[01:05] <phillw> the && is needed
[01:05] <UltimaKR_> ah the &&
[01:05] <UltimaKR_> same error
[01:07] <UltimaKR_> I think I am going to reinstall Lubuntu and see if it works because the other computer never went through this
[01:07] <phillw> sorry, I'm about out of ideas... We get an error while trying to reset the apt database and apt-get cannot see the pepperflashplugin....
[01:08] <UltimaKR_> It's OK. Thanks a lot for trying. I will let you know if a reinstall fixes it
[01:08] <phillw> Do run the self test on the cd / dvd / usb stick before you do the re-install. This really stinks of a corruption in the installer (
[01:09] <phillw> if you are installing from cd / dvd... get a cd lens cleaner and clean the lens on the cd/dvd drive.
[01:10] <phillw> It is also not unknown for a cd / dvd burned on one machine to have read errors on another.
[01:13] <ianorlin> phillw he is on 12.10 which is eol
[01:16] <phillw> ianorlin: I thought he was the guy who switched over to 14.04... my mistake... still good practice for my google-fu :P
[01:39] <UltimaKR> phillw: Hi I finished the install. Which command should I use for the flash this time?
[01:39] <phillw> UltimaKR: did you re-install 12.10 ?
[01:39] <UltimaKR> Yes.
[01:40] <UltimaKR> According to the system profiler it is Ubuntu 12.10
[01:41] <phillw> that is why we cannot get flash installed. I missed the bit when ianorlin asked what release you where on. the reason you are getting 'does not exists' errors is because that release no longer exists for support.
[01:41] <UltimaKR> 12.10 isn't the newest lubuntu?
[01:41] <ianorlin> no 14.04 is the newest and it is long term support for 2 years
[01:41] <phillw> UltimaKR: that was october 2012
[01:42] <phillw> UltimaKR: grab the 14.04 LTS
[01:42] <UltimaKR> Oh...so how do I upgrade without redoing the whole thing?
[01:43] <ianorlin> I wouldn't from a fresh reinstall
[01:43] <phillw> UltimaKR: by the time you have done 12.10 --> 13.04 --> 13.10 --> 14.04 You will have a confused system. Better to do a clean 14.04
[01:44] <UltimaKR> So make a brand new disc? I didn't know you had to upgrade 1 by 1
[01:44] <phillw> you have no data that you need to keep. Just put 14.04 onto the system. Have it plugged into ethernet and do a full update after installing (bug fixes)
[01:45] <phillw> UltimaKR: yup, the release team are working on the idea of being able to upgrade to the next LTS, but it is not out yet.
[01:45] <UltimaKR> The computer isn't in the same room as the router so I will just use the wireless adapter
[01:45] <UltimaKR> I will download 14.04 and see if I can get it going
[01:45] <UltimaKR> Thanks a lot!
[01:46] <phillw> UltimaKR: just be aware that the network icon will not be there... it is a bug that is now fixed
[01:47] <phillw> but it should connect
[01:48] <UltimaKR> Oh this one asked for a network password. This won't?
[01:49] <phillw> it should ask for the network password, just be aware of bug 1308348
[01:50] <phillw> it is fixed in the updates, but the original ISO does not have it. 14.04.1 should have it on as one of the fixes.
[01:53] <UltimaKR> Ok so hopefully the iso I am downloading now from the site should work
[01:54] <UltimaKR> Thanks ubottu lol
[01:55] <phillw> UltimaKR: should be okay... you may have to manually add the nm-applet and then later delete that patch, it is a short job and explained on the bug reoprt.
[01:55] <phillw> *report*
[01:56] <UltimaKR> Alright thanks...hopefully the new release should make this work much more smoothly
[01:56] <UltimaKR> once all that is done, back to graphics card searching lol
[01:56] <phillw> it is a better system than 12.10 was
[01:57] <UltimaKR> that's encouraging because until this 12.10 was pretty good
[01:57] <phillw> each release has got better :)
[03:37] <Hilikus> hey guys
[03:37] <sydney> Hi!!
[03:38] <sydney> Hilikus: Whats up?
[03:38] <Hilikus> i did a release update of lubuntu and now it looks like the WM is screwed. when the DM starts, it's only a black window. i thought the system was just frozen until after 2 days i did right click and i go get a context menu
[03:39] <Hilikus> any ideas on what i can try
[03:40] <sydney> Hilikus: I have no clue...
[03:41] <sydney> Hilikus: do any of your keys work? can you log out?
[03:42] <sydney> Hilikus: if you do ctrl+alt+f1,does it take yu to a tty page?
[03:42] <Hilikus> yes
[03:43] <Hilikus> the system works, but the desktop is all black
[03:43] <Hilikus> and when i open say chromium, if i minimize it, the window just disappears
[03:43] <Hilikus> i can't resize the window apart from max or minimized
[03:44] <sydney> Hilikus: Hmm,what are your pcs specs?
[03:44] <Hilikus> it's a vm, but again, it was working fine with 12.10 until i updated to 13.04
[03:45] <sydney> Hilikus: You could try a different de,otherwise i dont know how to help. :-/
[03:48] <Hilikus> how do i change it?
[03:51] <sydney> Hilikus: you have to install a different one. what would you like to try?
[03:51] <sydney> Hilikus: can you see the login screen? you must be able to access it.
[03:52] <ianorlin> oh right click on the desktop and click desktop prefrences
[03:52] <ianorlin> and set a new wallpaper
[03:52] <ianorlin> or did you log in to openbox?
[04:00] <UltimaKR> Hi I was having trouble with the 14.04 install...everything seemed fine but when I booted up I got this:
[04:02] <UltimaKR> symbol grub _ term _ highlight _ color not found
[04:02] <UltimaKR> how can I fix that?
[04:39] <fatdragon> somehow my mouse drags my lubuntu windows and keeps redrawing the windows very slowly while moving..it is very annoying..I have a 3dfx AGP voodoo 3 . Does the lack of 3dfx driver in lubunutu has anything to do with this issue?
[13:38] <UltimaKR_> Is anybody here?
[13:52] <phillw> UltimaKR_: !ask
[13:52] <phillw> !ask | UltimaKR_
[13:56] <UltimaKR_> phillw: Oh hi again! Wasn't sure if anyone was here. I am downloading a boot repair iso to see if it can fix the grub_term_highlight_color not found error
[13:56] <UltimaKR_> phillw: Only asked that to see if the webchat worked fro my phone
[13:57] <phillw> okies :)
[13:59] <phillw> UltimaKR_: bug 1289977 has the details of using reconfigure to fix grub (not grub install).
[14:00] <UltimaKR_> phillw: Yes, but I don't think the "try lubuntu" option on my livecd allows wireless internet connection
[14:01] <phillw> it should do....
[14:02] <phillw> and under the boot options, 'advanced' will allow you to drop to terminal so you don't need a repair disk.
[14:02] <UltimaKR_> phillw: how can i do that? is this from the livecd? i didnt see advanced
[14:04] <phillw> just run the cd in try lubuntu mode and you will have access to lxterminal :)
[14:04] <UltimaKR_> I have "try", "install", "check disc", "test memory", and "boot from first hard disc"
[14:06] <UltimaKR_> phillw: I did that but "failed to get canonical path of /cow"
[14:07] <phillw> UltimaKR_: have you run the "check disc" option?
[14:07] <UltimaKR_> No should I?
[14:07] <suncokret_> hello, can somebody help me with lubuntu? :)
[14:10] <phillw> UltimaKR_: it is always a good idea
[14:10] <phillw> !ask | suncokret_
[14:11] <suncokret_> thanks
[14:14] <UltimaKR_> phillw: I am doing it now. Should take a little while.
[14:15] <phillw> okies
[14:17] <suncokret_> In Lubuntu 14.04 when i change themes or colors in "customize look and feel" why it don't accept it on Synaptic, or in other programs which run as root? In Lubuntu 13.04 it worked. And how can i fix this to work in 14.04.
[14:19] <UltimaKR_> phillw: No errors found. What else can I try or should I just go with the boot repair cd?
[14:20] <phillw> go with a repair cd
[14:20] <UltimaKR_> phillw: Ok thanks. I downloaded the ISO while we did the disc check so I just need to burn it
[14:21] <phillw> suncokret_: you may have a manifestation of bug 1316384 have a read of that bug and see if it is what you are seeing (specifically that you have the recent version of lxsession - 0.4.9.2+git20140410-0ubuntu2
[14:24] <suncokret_> yes, it was bug which didn't accept color customization in any application or menu, but that is fixed. Problem is because it don't accept color customization in Synaptic (and other programs which run as root), this bug was on Lubuntu 13.10 too
[14:26] <[diablo]> afternoon #lubuntu ... guys I've got my laptop connected to 2 x monitors. I've got the dual screen setup correctly and am using it (Used ARandR). But every time I boot up and login, I have to load the configuration. Is there a way to apply it system wide, so it's define at boot as the login manager is ugly resolution too
[14:27] <[diablo]> also enabling syncing would be nice cos I'm getting sharding when moving windows around the displays
[14:30] <phillw> [diablo]: have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2194268
[14:31] <[diablo]> thanks phillw will do
[14:32] <phillw> suncokret_: I can only suggest staying on the channel and waiting for rafaellaguna to comee online. He is much more involved with themes (he is Team Leader of artwork team).
[14:32] <suncokret_> thanks...
[14:32] <suncokret_> i am still on Lubuntu 13.04 because of this bug
[14:32] <phillw> If I see him land on my area, I'll ensure he comes on here.
[14:34] <suncokret_> in 14.04 i was try to upgrade lxsession on 0.4.9.2+git20140410-0ubuntu2, but i don't know why it don't accept choosen colors in Synaptic :)
[14:35] <phillw> suncokret_: it could be that the theme is hard coded into the application. Rafael would know :)
[14:35] <suncokret_> do you have Lubuntu 14.04?
[14:35] <phillw> I have 14.10 :)
[14:36] <suncokret_> then try to change custom background color in theme, and run synaptic...
[14:37] <suncokret_> it must accept your custom colors
[14:37] <suncokret_> i am now in 13.04 and my custom colors are in every program
[14:40] <phillw> it does not
[14:42] <suncokret_> good, i am glad because i found this channel for Lubuntu, i hope that Rafael or someone from Lubunt team will solve this problem :)
[14:42] <suncokret_> so we will wait for him to come
[14:46] <suncokret_> when is Rafael usually here?
[14:48] <[diablo]> phillw, sorry but is there no way of taking a dump of the current X server configuration and putting over to the system wide xorg conf?
[14:49] <[diablo]> also really need to get the vertical blank sync working too
[14:49] <phillw> [diablo]: I have virtually zero experience of ARanR, used it once to give a presentation using an OHP.
[14:50] <[diablo]> ah ok
[14:50] <[diablo]> np
[14:50]  * [diablo] will google
[14:54] <phillw> [diablo]: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting%20xrandr%20changes%20persistently
[14:57] <suncokret_> thanks on help, i have to go now, i will come later and i hope that Rafael will be here.. have a nice day, people
[15:10] <[diablo]> cheers phillw sorry was afk
[15:32] <UltimaKR_> phillw: The repair disc worked and this lubuntu version came with flash already there so thats perfect
[15:33] <phillw> UltimaKR_: nice to hear :D
[15:33] <UltimaKR_> Back to finding graphics cards and figuring out how to play League of Legends on this thing lol
[15:34] <UltimaKR_> phillw: You wouldn't happen to know how to play Windows games on here would you? I know it has something to do with Wine but it always seems to get more complex
[15:36] <phillw> just that you use wine, those in the know say to always use the dev version :) http://www.winehq.org/
[16:21] <suncokret> hello Rafael, Phil told me that you can help me so i wait for you :)
[16:22] <rafaellaguna> oh wow :)
[16:22] <suncokret> haa
[16:22] <suncokret> haha
[16:22] <rafaellaguna> how can I help you?
[16:22] <suncokret> i don't know how to solve problem in Lubuntu 14.04 (that problem start with Lubuntu 13.10), and in 13.04 that is working
[16:23] <rafaellaguna> tell me
[16:24] <suncokret> when you choose theme in look and feel, or change your custom colors it don't accept it in Synaptic (or any other program which run as root)
[16:24] <suncokret> in 13.04 that work fine
[16:24] <rafaellaguna> right, that's because the theme you're using is one in your ~/home/.themes folder
[16:25] <rafaellaguna> those themes belong to you and only you can use them
[16:25] <rafaellaguna> themes installed in /usr/share/themes are visible by all users
[16:25] <rafaellaguna> when you launch synaptic, it's a "root" app, so it can't use your personal themes
[16:26] <rafaellaguna> I'm not sure if I'm clear
[16:26] <suncokret> yes
[16:26] <suncokret> but why that work in 13.04?
[16:26] <rafaellaguna> but it makes some root apps ugly, and you want to solve it, no?
[16:27] <suncokret> i use crux theme with my custom colors in 13.04
[16:27] <rafaellaguna> ok
[16:27] <suncokret> and that wore in Synaptic (and root) too
[16:27] <suncokret> but in 14.04 don't work
[16:27] <suncokret> so
[16:27] <rafaellaguna> yes, that theme is global (installed for everybody)
[16:28] <rafaellaguna> can you see it? maybe you need to install it
[16:28] <suncokret> how i can use for example crux theme with my custom colors in  Synaptic?
[16:28] <rafaellaguna> if you want root apps use your themes, open a terminal and type this: sudo ln -s ~/.themes /root/.themes
[16:29] <rafaellaguna> update manager, synaptic, etc. will get your selected theme
[16:29] <suncokret> and can i change my custom colors in that root themes?
[16:29] <suncokret> and how
[16:29] <suncokret> ?
[16:30] <rafaellaguna> yes, your customizations are stored in a folder of yours, and doing this all root apps can access it
[16:30] <rafaellaguna> otherwise they only look for /usr/share/themes, and when not found, they use another
[16:31] <suncokret> so
[16:31] <suncokret> this command
[16:31] <suncokret> sudo ln -s ~/.themes /root/.themes
[16:32] <suncokret> tell system to look themes in my folder?
[16:32] <rafaellaguna> yes
[16:32] <rafaellaguna> everybody (including "root user") can access that folder, only that folder
[16:33] <suncokret> and by default system only search in /usr/share/themes and that is problem?
[16:33] <suncokret> ?
[16:33] <rafaellaguna> yes
[16:33] <suncokret> if i understand correct
[16:33] <suncokret> thank you
[16:33] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome :)
[16:33] <suncokret> i will try :)
[16:34] <rafaellaguna> and sorry for waiting so looong time
[16:34] <suncokret> background color is very important for me
[16:34] <suncokret> because white is very bad for eyes
[16:34] <rafaellaguna> anyway, to use crux you must install the package gnome-themes-standard or gnome-themes-extra (I don't really remember)
[16:34] <suncokret> so i used lubuntu 13.04 only because of colors
[16:34] <rafaellaguna> Lubuntu 14.04 has the same theme features
[16:35] <suncokret> i didn't install that gnome-themes-standard but i can use crux
[16:35] <rafaellaguna> maybe they're already included :)
[16:35] <suncokret> yes
[16:36] <suncokret> and i didn't wait long, i was here first time maybe two hours before
[16:36] <rafaellaguna> oh my god, sorry for being so late ;)
[16:36] <suncokret> i will try to install now 14.04 and try your advice
[16:36] <rafaellaguna> ok
[16:37] <suncokret> i ll be back if i don't make it work
[16:37] <suncokret> :)
[16:37] <suncokret> thanks again and bye
[16:37] <rafaellaguna> if you have more troubles we're here, if I'm not, more capable people will help you anyway, but I use to be this hour
[16:37] <rafaellaguna> bye suncokret
[16:37] <suncokret> bye
[16:37] <rafaellaguna> o/
[16:39] <UltimaKR_> I still can't find a cheap, good graphics card for my comp. The fact that PCI is so rare as opposed to PCIe is what is driving up the prices to higher levels.
[16:40] <phillw> UltimaKR_: have you checked on ebay and amazon ?
[16:41] <UltimaKR_> phillw: That's where I am looking. Aside from the fact that people can't differentiate between the two types (making searching harder), supply and demand is making it more expensive except for cards up to 128 MB...do you think that is enough?
[16:44] <phillw> I would have thought so, but I'm not a gamer. ask on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 for what people have found works.
[16:45] <UltimaKR_> phillw: Well like I said, it won't be intense gaming since it is more of a secondary computer. This laptop has hardcore gaming covered :D
[16:53] <UltimaKR_> Thanks a lot for everything! Going to try and pick one now!
[18:43] <suncokret> hi, is rafael here?
[18:44] <rafaellaguna>  yup
[18:44] <suncokret> i installed 14.04
[18:44] <suncokret> and
[18:44] <suncokret> there are themes in /usr/share/themes
[18:44] <suncokret> but
[18:44] <suncokret> there is no ~/home/.themes
[18:45] <suncokret> don't exist
[18:45] <suncokret> i only find
[18:45] <suncokret> \home\.config\lxsession\Lubuntu\desktop.conf
[18:45] <suncokret> i think that is ini file for theme and colors?
[18:45] <suncokret> so
[18:45] <rafaellaguna> that's because you didn't install themes
[18:45] <suncokret> sudo ln -s ~/.themes /root/.themes
[18:45] <suncokret> don't work
[18:45] <suncokret> :)
[18:46] <suncokret> i didn't install
[18:46] <suncokret> i use themes which sistem already have
[18:46] <rafaellaguna> create it :)
[18:46] <suncokret> i must install it
[18:46] <suncokret> or i can just copy it from
[18:47] <rafaellaguna> no, just create that folder
[18:47] <suncokret> from /usr/share/themes
[18:47] <rafaellaguna> and then use the command
[18:47] <suncokret> create folder and then use sudo ln -s ~/.themes /root/.themes
[18:47] <suncokret> ?
[18:48] <rafaellaguna> yes
[18:48] <suncokret> i don't need to install themes?
[18:49] <rafaellaguna> if you want you can install gnome-themes-standard, or light-themes, or whatever you like
[18:49] <rafaellaguna> that folder I told you is for your downloaded themes
[18:49] <suncokret> i don't understand if i don't install themes
[18:49] <suncokret> and only create that folder
[18:49] <suncokret> how will system use my colors in root?
[18:49] <suncokret> :)
[18:50] <rafaellaguna> the colours are stored in a file called .gtk-2.0 (or something like that)
[18:50] <rafaellaguna> and your system should look into it, or maybe not
[18:51] <rafaellaguna> :)
[18:51] <suncokret> and what is \home\.config\lxsession\Lubuntu\desktop.conf
[18:51] <suncokret> ?
[18:51] <rafaellaguna> a configuration file for your Lubuntu session. better if not touched ;)
[18:53] <suncokret> in that file i find under [GTK] this
[18:53] <suncokret> sNet/ThemeName=Crux
[18:54] <suncokret> and under sGtk/ColorScheme is parameters for my color scheme
[18:54] <suncokret> can i use this file for root?
[18:55] <rafaellaguna> I'm not sure, because it's a per-user configuration , but if Crux is installed globally, your synaptic will look better
[18:56] <suncokret> i go to try this on 14.04 now
[18:56] <suncokret> i will try to create folder .themes
[18:57] <suncokret> and use your command
[18:57] <suncokret> ?
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> give a try :)
[18:57] <suncokret> just this?
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> it's all we can do with themes
[18:58] <suncokret> but how this work on 13.04?
[18:58] <suncokret> there root accept my colors
[18:58] <rafaellaguna> it must work the same work than 14.04
[18:59] <suncokret> i go to try and i will come
[19:07] <suncokret> i tried and it don't work :)
[19:08] <suncokret> which version of lubuntu you ue?
[19:08] <suncokret> use?
[19:09] <rafaellaguna> 14.04
[19:10] <suncokret> so i selected theme crux (i didn't need to install it) and change my colors for background
[19:10] <suncokret> can you try to do same, and then run synaptic
[19:10] <rafaellaguna> right
[19:10] <rafaellaguna> wait...
[19:10] <suncokret> and you will see that it not use your theme and colors
[19:11] <rafaellaguna> biotoxic9
[19:12] <rafaellaguna> toxic
[19:13] <rafaellaguna> sorry, wrong window :)
[19:13] <rafaellaguna> suncokret, yes, you're right, synaptic doesn't get the right colours or themes
[19:13] <rafaellaguna> this may be a bug
[19:13] <suncokret> that bug is from 13.10
[19:13] <suncokret> that's why i use 13.04
[19:14] <rafaellaguna> it was a colorization bug, but it was fixed
[19:14] <suncokret> yes, i know
[19:14] <rafaellaguna> this may be another thing
[19:14] <suncokret> that colorization bug was for all system
[19:14] <suncokret> and this is only for root
[19:14] <suncokret> programs
[19:14] <suncokret> :)
[19:15] <suncokret> can you find what is problem?
[19:15] <rafaellaguna> I need to investigate a bit
[19:15] <rafaellaguna> I'll try to find a solution and tell everybody :D
[19:15] <suncokret> this is bug for sure
[19:15] <rafaellaguna> maybe, yes
[19:16] <suncokret> and i don't know why nobody didn't say about it
[19:16] <suncokret> because it was start in 13.10
[19:16] <nath_schwarz> Hello - quick question. I run lubuntu and access it mainly through ssh - now lubuntu crashed and I have to restart it, without rebooting the machine (some background processes are running, which I don't want to loose) - is there a way to do this via ssh? I haven't found something w/ google and alas man-pages for lxsession/lxde don't seem to exist
[19:17] <nath_schwarz> Ah, daemon processes, not background - sorry
[19:17] <rafaellaguna> suncokret, noted that bug, thank you
[19:17] <suncokret> yes
[19:18] <suncokret> probably nobody didn't see that, because most themes have white background
[19:18] <suncokret> but i never don't use white window and menu background, because it is very bad for eyes
[19:18] <suncokret> so this really annoy me
[19:19] <suncokret> so please if you can, solve this
[19:19] <suncokret> :)
[19:19] <rafaellaguna> I understand you, we'll try to fix it
[19:19] <suncokret> how much people work on Lubuntu?
[19:20] <rafaellaguna> officially? almost 50
[19:20] <suncokret> nice number
[19:20] <rafaellaguna> collaborating without being members of any team, I don't know :)
[19:20] <jxshxx> New install of 14.04  Can't get rid of a persistent screen lock.  It's not enabled in xscreensaver, and I disabled it in Users/Groups.  What else is there?
[19:21] <rafaellaguna> yes, light locker is giving me problems too, but I think there's a solution in AskUbuntu
[19:21] <suncokret> so how i will know when you fix problem, i should come here every few days or what? :)
[19:22] <bollo> jxshxx, I gave up and remove light-locker and installed xscreensaver instead
[19:23] <jxshxx> bollo: That's what I did, though I did it from the software center.  Is there something left that didn't get wiped?
[19:23] <bollo> jxshxx, though on some of my other units it works fine
[19:24] <rafaellaguna> suncokret, yes, come in a few days and we'll see
[19:24] <jxshxx> bollo: Should I try removing via terminal?
[19:24] <bollo> jxshxx, have you logged out or restarted?
[19:24] <bollo> since you removed it
[19:25] <jxshxx> bollo: yeah, a couple times
[19:25] <suncokret> good, thank you for help
[19:25] <bollo> and you're sure it's light-locker giving you the lock window and not xscreensaver?
[19:26] <Emjay> Hi
[19:26] <suncokret> have nice day or night, people...
[19:26] <Emjay> my first time here
[19:26] <rafaellaguna> I'm sorry I didn't help you
[19:26] <Emjay> had a question about lubuntu
[19:26] <ubudog> Howdy Emjay
[19:26] <Emjay> ubudog :)
[19:26] <suncokret> :)
[19:26] <Emjay> there you are
[19:26] <suncokret> i have very delicates problems
[19:26] <ubudog> What is your question?
[19:27] <Emjay> i just was in the wrong forum/chat and thought i talked to ubudog there
[19:27] <Emjay> it is about youtube video
[19:27] <suncokret> i can tell you that Mint 17 xfce have same problem
[19:27] <ubudog> You did, lol, but what's the problem, so people here can pitch in as well? :)
[19:27] <rafaellaguna> O_o
[19:27] <Emjay> when i play it on big screen it chops
[19:27] <Emjay> or how you say it haha
[19:28] <jxshxx> bollo: Well,I uninstalled L-L, then set Xscreen not to lock, so ... ???
[19:28] <ubudog> Have you installed any graphics drivers yet Emjay ?
[19:28] <Emjay> now, i dont know how to
[19:29] <Emjay> i thought it went automatically?
[19:29] <ubudog> Well, you might have to enable some proprietary drivers (depending on your card).
[19:29] <Emjay> where do i do that?
[19:30] <ubudog> I'm on Xubuntu right now, but I think it's under Preferences -> Additional Drivers on your LXDE menu
[19:30] <Emjay> oeps..i will have to look here (in dutch) haha
[19:30] <bollo> jxshxx, So it's xscreensaver's lock you're seeing? Check ~/.config/autostart/screensaver-settings.desktop
[19:30] <Emjay> give me a minute
[19:30] <ubudog> Su
[19:30] <ubudog> *Sure
[19:31] <bollo> jxshxx, and remove ~/.config/autostart/light-locker.desktop
[19:31] <Emjay> what is the lxde menu?
[19:31] <rafaellaguna> back in a minute...
[19:31] <ubudog> Emjay: This guide will probably help you: http://www.binarytides.com/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-14-04/
[19:31] <ubudog> lxde menu would be the "Start" menu if you are coming from Windows
[19:31] <ubudog> ... if they still have a start menu
[19:32] <Emjay> okay i ll check it out. but i want to know for sure my  card is nvidia lol
[19:32] <ubudog> Run lspci -v | grep VGA
[19:32] <ubudog> It'll tell ya
[19:33] <Emjay> but that stripe before grep
[19:33] <Emjay> what is that?
[19:33] <ubudog> The pipe symbol
[19:33] <Emjay> and what is that?
[19:33] <Emjay> haha
[19:33] <ubudog> You can just copy/paste it:
[19:33] <ubudog> lspci -v | grep VGA
[19:33] <Emjay>  i tried..let me try again
[19:33] <ubudog> Just above the enter/return key
[19:34] <ubudog> Shift + Backslash
[19:34] <Emjay> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) mj@MJ:~$
[19:34] <Emjay> this is what i got
[19:34] <Emjay> :)
[19:34] <ubudog> There you go
[19:34] <ubudog> Chrome ... hmm
[19:34] <Emjay> and now?
[19:34] <Emjay> :S
[19:35] <jxshxx> bollo: Even though I had removed L-L using Software Center, when I just now tried removing it via terminal it indicated it was working on it.  Rebooting to see what happens.
[19:35] <ubudog> One sec Emjay
[19:35] <Emjay> okay thanks
[19:36] <bollo> jxshxx, dpkg -l|grep light-locker
[19:38] <ubudog> Ok Emjay, try: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[19:38] <Emjay> okay, i will copy paste
[19:39] <Emjay> you cannot read dutch can you?
[19:39] <Emjay> i think it says that i already have the good drivers
[19:39] <ubudog> I could make it out probably :)
[19:40] <Emjay> haha..wait then i will copy paste it here
[19:40] <ubudog> Hang on one sec again then Emjay
[19:40] <Emjay> okies
[19:40] <ubudog> Don't copy+paste the entire output here, that'd be a lot
[19:40] <Emjay> okay
[19:41] <ubudog> Which Lubuntu are you using? 14.04?
[19:41] <Emjay> yes i thought so
[19:42] <ubudog> cat /etc/issue
[19:42] <ubudog> in a terminal
[19:42] <Emjay> ok
[19:42] <ubudog> What does it say?
[19:42] <Emjay> 14.04 lts
[19:42] <ubudog> Ok, cool,
[19:43] <ubudog> Your computer is usable, right?
[19:43] <Emjay> i wrote it on the install dvd but dont know where it is  :)
[19:43] <ubudog> Is it just the choppy video?
[19:43] <Emjay> yes, i can do as far as i know al other things
[19:44] <Emjay> its old and had xp so i wanted to revive it
[19:44] <ubudog> Which browser are you using?
[19:44] <Emjay> firefox
[19:44] <Emjay> 30.0
[19:44] <ubudog> Well, that could get slow, since Firefox is quite the memory hog sometimes.
[19:44] <ubudog> Have you tried Chromium/Chrome?
[19:45] <ubudog> Especially slow on old machines
[19:45] <Emjay> i tried it but it didnt let me type letters that was some time ago, maybe i can install it again, can you give me the command to install it immediately?
[19:46] <ubudog> I don't think Chromium has been updated very much recently (at least not for Ubuntu, I don't think), but you can give it a try, and then install Google Chrome later perhaps.
[19:46] <Emjay> what shall i do best then? and how?
[19:46] <Emjay> via software packet?
[19:46] <jxshxx> bollo: Seems the terminal remove took care of the problem.  I guess Software Center failed to properly remove?
[19:47] <ubudog> One sec, we can try the development PPA since the stable PPA has not been updated for quite some time... here:
[19:47] <ubudog> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:saiarcot895/chromium-dev
[19:47] <ubudog> Then, do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[19:47] <Emjay> okay..i will try them right now..be right back
[19:47] <ubudog> Alrighty
[19:48] <Emjay> ubudog, the second and third command do i have to type them apart
[19:49] <Emjay> or is it in one time?
[19:49] <silverlion> its one line
[19:49] <Emjay> ok
[19:49] <ubudog> Nope
[19:50] <ubudog> Just one line yep
[19:50] <Emjay> its installing :)
[19:50] <bollo> jxshxx, probably I never use it
[19:50] <ubudog> wonderbaar
[19:50] <wxl> if you don't care about freeness, you could always get google chrome, too
[19:51] <Emjay> as long as it works
[19:51] <Emjay> i thinks it is ready
[19:51] <ubudog> Yeah, wxl, I don't like recommending Chrome either
[19:51] <wxl> ubudog: i use it. there's a lot of little features that while not free are nice to have.
[19:52] <ubudog> Did you drop back to a regular shell? ":~$"
[19:52] <ubudog> You should see that after your username & hostname once it's done :)
[19:52] <ubudog> wxl: True, and I have seen a lot of people on old systems have Firefox eat up all their RAM laely
[19:52] <Emjay> yes it is
[19:52] <ubudog> *lately
[19:53] <Emjay> i opened it and it tells me some google API keys are missing so maybe chromium wont be perfect :)
[19:53] <ubudog> I think that's only for Sync
[19:53] <Emjay> i will open youtube and see what is happening with the videos
[19:53] <Emjay> brb
[19:53] <ubudog> You can fix that easily thoug
[19:53] <wxl> if you still have issues with the letters, even after removing chrome, just remove ibus
[19:55] <Emjay> i cannot play videos
[19:55] <ubudog> You might have to install the flash plugin in Chromium, first
[19:55] <Emjay> it tells me there is something wrong with loading
[19:55] <ubudog> Hmm...
[19:55] <Emjay> how do i do that?
[19:55] <wxl> what specifically?
[19:56] <Emjay> install flash
[19:56] <Emjay> in chromium
[19:56] <Emjay> just as a plug in?
[19:56] <wxl> or just install chrome which has pepperflash
[19:56] <wxl> i mean any way you cut it flash ain't free :)
[19:56] <wxl> at least pepperflash is freeish
[19:56] <ubudog> Yup
[19:57] <ubudog> Just go to http://chrome.google.com
[19:57] <Emjay> okies..let me see
[19:57] <ubudog> And install the ... run uname -a
[19:57] <ubudog> First
[19:58] <Emjay> oh so install chrome you mean?
[19:58] <ubudog> Yes, you will, but first post the output of uname -a
[19:59] <Emjay> i dont understand what you mean, i just downloaded it and it ask me to open it or save it
[19:59] <ubudog> Which version did you download? 64-bit or 32-bit
[19:59] <ubudog> that's what I'm after
[19:59] <Emjay> 32 bit
[19:59] <ubudog> Alright, you're good
[19:59] <Emjay> thanks haha
[19:59] <ubudog> So, save that, and you should be able to just double-click on it
[19:59] <ubudog> :D
[20:00] <Emjay> okay i will save
[20:00] <Emjay> now it is saved
[20:00] <ubudog> Great
[20:00] <Emjay> i can see in firefox the downloaded file
[20:00] <ubudog> You should be able to click on that
[20:00] <Emjay> ok and then?
[20:00] <ubudog> Not sure on Lubuntu, but some installer will probably come up
[20:00] <jxshxx> bollo: Alrighty then ... thanks for you input!
[20:01] <wxl> it will ubudog
[20:01] <ubudog> Cool :)
[20:01] <Emjay> i think its installing
[20:01] <wxl> GDebi
[20:01] <ubudog> Ah, good ol GDebi
[20:02] <Emjay> okay, lets try chrome now :)
[20:04] <Emjay> do i have to install some flash player here?
[20:04] <wxl> you shouldn't
[20:04] <Emjay> because the video is not running well
[20:05] <Emjay> :(
[20:05] <wxl> is the video running at all?
[20:05] <Emjay> it is running, but choppy even in the small version
[20:05] <Emjay> at least in firefox the small screen plays well except when making it full screen
[20:06] <ubudog> :(
[20:07] <Emjay> in windows you can see if your drivers al well installed
[20:07] <Emjay> how do you see that in linux/lubuntu?
[20:09] <ubudog> Usually with the lsmod command, I believe
[20:09] <ubudog> But I know you installed the drivers/already had them installed
[20:10] <Emjay> oh yes indeed, it told me they were the newest version, but it also told me some of them were to be installed manually..thats why i asked
[20:12] <ubudog> What's the model of your computer?
[20:15] <Emjay> thats a good question
[20:15] <Emjay> i dont remember the specs
[20:15] <Emjay> can i read it via a commando? :)
[20:17] <Emjay> btw i thought i read you dont have to restart the pc to save the changes
[20:17] <Emjay> right?
[20:17] <ubudog> Yes, pretty much all changes don't need a restart
[20:17] <ubudog> Normally, if it's a service, you just restart/reload that service.
[20:17] <ubudog> If you're updating the kernel, though, you do have to restart.
[20:18] <ubudog> Unless you're using ksplice or something
[20:19] <Emjay> okay all chinese for me ..lol
[20:20] <ubudog> Well like if it's a web server, you can apply an update and then just restart the web server, not the whole computer
[20:20] <Emjay> yes i got that :)
[20:21] <Emjay> but kernel and ksplice
[20:21] <Emjay> :)
[20:21] <ubudog> But if you update the Linux kernel (the actual operating system), you have to reboot.
[20:21] <Emjay> thought so
[20:21] <ubudog> But ksplice allows you to do it without rebooting :)
[20:21] <Emjay> haha..ok..ubudog
[20:21] <Emjay> i would like to thank u very much for your help
[20:21] <ubudog> Not sure if/how well that runs on Ubuntu
[20:21] <Emjay> are you allways here? :)
[20:22] <ubudog> No problem, and no, first time in #lubuntu
[20:22] <ubudog> Usually just on the Forums
[20:22] <Emjay> haha..ok
[20:23] <Emjay> because i want to keep using this lubuntu chat
[20:23] <Emjay> i will surely need it a lot
[20:23] <Emjay> haha
[20:24] <ubudog> Anyway, the video is only choppy in fullscreen?
[20:24] <Emjay> no..i just saw it chops in small too, but less
[20:25] <ubudog> I haven't done this in years, but it might help to install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:25] <ubudog> Well, I haven't needed it for years :D
[20:26] <ubudog> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-resricted-extras
[20:26] <ubudog> *restricted ...
[20:26] <Emjay> and what will that do?
[20:28] <ubudog> It will install some programs that aren't inluded with *buntu by default because of legal reasons
[20:28] <ubudog> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[20:28] <Emjay> shall i do it? :P
[20:29] <ubudog> Sure
[20:30] <Emjay> okay, there i go again ..brb
[20:30] <melodie> hi
[20:32] <Emjay> it is ready, i will close firefox and try to log in again in chrome or so..hope to get the got forum back..lol
[20:38] <ubudog> Someone tell im I
[20:38] <ubudog> I'm out for a bit
[20:42] <Emjay> ubudog still no changes
[20:43] <Emjay> i guess there will be nothing for my problem :(