[01:11] * popey hugs ali1234 [01:11] :) [01:11] I love it, didnt expect that. [01:12] * popey goes to bed, dreaming of riding into conflict on his battlecat [05:33] urgh === jdc_ is now known as jdca [06:04] morning all [06:06] moin [06:07] hey [06:07] lappy didnt boot nicely :-( [06:07] missed the standup [06:58] anyone want to see popey and his new pet? - http://youtu.be/bMhoyyZRO5I [07:07] brilliant [07:08] :) === Moon is now known as Guest29856 [07:32] morning boys and girls. [07:32] morning brobostigon [07:33] morning MooDoo [07:33] brobostigon: just beating you on the irc stats page :D [07:33] :) [07:35] would it be possible, on a watch, for you to put some much pressure on the springbar holding the strap, that the springbar just pops out? [07:36] only if it's a weak spring bar or not properly seated i guess [07:37] well exactly that happened to me last night, [07:37] then it is possible [07:37] what kind of mind games are you playing with us? [07:38] the strap that came with my pebble, i managed to get the strap and springbar back in properly, i think. [07:42] whats a springbar? [07:42] ali1234: think it's the little bar that connects the strap to the watch [07:43] yep. [07:43] ali1234: normally they have two springy ends you need to push in to connect them to the watch, if they are not seated properly they spring out [07:44] http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc18/gaijinnv/Marathon22MMSpringBars.jpg [07:44] i see [07:45] looks like i have seated it back in properly. [08:09] Good morning all; happy Apollo 11 Day! :-D [08:10] morning JamesTait [08:11] JamesTait: pic.twitter.com/ysjxPVbEC2 [08:13] MooDoo, well look at that! :-D [08:13] thought you might like that [08:17] There was something about some dirty great weapon of mass destruction as well, but I thought I'd accentuate the positive.... [08:19] why would pixel lock and phase be greyed out on my monitor? [08:19] they are the ones i want to tweak [08:33] Good morning peeps :) [08:36] Mng [08:38] howdy bigcalm popey [08:39] popey: how's your firebreathing cat taming going? ;) [08:41] :D [08:52] rebooted with latest kernel on 12.04 (3.11.23) and no X windows :( [08:52] this is like the old days [08:52] nvidia driver issues i presume [08:54] can i run dpkg-reconfigure on a particular package to get nvidia to reconfig? [08:54] (or am i missing a package?) [08:56] where did you get nvidia driver from? [08:56] oh, is this 12.04 or is it really elementary or mint? [08:56] i've just done dpkg-reconfigre nvidia-331-updates [08:56] hoping it works [08:56] repos [08:57] the weird thing is that 3.11.0.24 looks installed but not in grub list [08:57] odd [08:57] about to reboot [08:59] :( still broke [08:59] have nvidia-common, nvidia-settings and nvidia-331-updates [08:59] from standard ubuntu universe [08:59] on 12.03 [08:59] .4 [09:00] 3.11.0.24 is a saucy kernel [09:01] do i need to install different kernel? [09:02] well, i would expect 14.04 to have 3.13, not 3.11 [09:02] which shouldn't need you to do anything, it should already be there [09:02] but as you didn't answer my question, I'm assuming this is elementary or mint, and not actually ubuntu [09:04] elementary, runnign on 12.04 [09:04] so I would be looking at why I'm running a 12.04 based system with a 13.10 kernel [09:04] i.e. dpkg -l linux-image* and see what kernels you have [09:04] i have generic-lts-saucy [09:05] ok, cool. [09:05] ? [09:05] do you have the xorg package to go with that? [09:05] Saucy wasn't an LTS [09:05] correct [09:05] Odd package name [09:05] no [09:05] its cos i'm running LTS [09:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [09:06] sorry, i said 14.04 earlier, I looked at the wrong place [09:06] gonna try raring , thanks. i hadn't realised i needed to do that [09:06] is there a generic-lts-latest? [09:06] type pacakge [09:06] I see [09:06] * bigcalm goes back to sleep [09:06] which xorg package pls popey ? [09:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack ☻ [09:08] Anyone wishing to opt into the hardware enablement stack for Precise may do so by installing the linux-generic-lts- and xserver-xorg-lts- packages. For example to install the Quantal hardware enablement packages in Precise, please run the following command: [09:08] sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-raring xserver-xorg-lts-raring libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-raring [09:08] isn't lts-enablement being deprecated for 12.04? [09:08] looks like the badger [09:08] in favor of actually running 14.04 [09:08] no [09:08] thanks. [09:08] I thought I read that somewhere === MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS [09:08] well, if by that you mean, "dont run 12.04" then no [09:09] it may be that there's no more enablement packs, sure [09:09] (I may have misunderstood what you said) :D [09:09] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-July/000186.html [09:09] that :) [09:09] On August 7, 2014, the 5th [09:09] and final point release for 12.04 (ie. 12.04.5) will deliver the kernel [09:09] and graphics stack derived from 14.04. At that time, security updates [09:09] and bug fixes for older hardware enablement stacks will no longer be [09:09] provided. [09:10] ooh [09:10] I broke my lts 1204 today too [09:10] with newest.kernel [09:10] popey: thanks will have a look [09:11] lots of xserver-xorg getting removed [09:11] looks more scary when in vty [09:11] nice [09:12] MartijnVdS: yeah had to enable the hardware support again, and logging in in tty says mine is supported until 2017 [09:12] I finally shut down my last 10.04 machine [09:13] it couldn't be upgraded because of some compiler flag added in 10.10 [09:13] I'm thining of rebuilding my centos server for ubuntu! [09:13] \o/ [09:13] MooDoo: did you say you're not coming to the RAT? [09:14] popey: yes, i don't think i'll be able to make it, it's the week I change jobs...so need to work on that and family a bit. [09:14] aww [09:14] oh, changing jobs!? [09:14] congrats [09:15] popey: i've put my ticket in a secrey place so when I find it, it's going to who ever wants it. [09:15] popey: thanks :D [09:15] where you off to? [09:15] sys admin for the health store, they are a wholesaler for health products, you know the type they sell in holland and barratt! [09:16] gotcha [09:16] canonical kept turning me down ;) lol [09:17] MooDoo: They sell health products here? [09:17] MartijnVdS: no lol [09:19] They kept turning me down too ☻ [09:19] I think I applied for 4 jobs before being offered one. [09:21] "Air Steward on Canonical One" [09:22] popey: as soon as they advertise tea boy for the Product Strategy team @ canonical, I'm applying :) [09:22] Laney: I'm too tall for that lol [09:23] pilot? [09:23] just looking at the raspberry pi b+, anyone know where to get the 4pin audio video jack cable premade? [09:23] just looked up where the health shop is - you could sneak in a few flights in your lunch break ;-) [09:23] Laney: I could do that, I've played microsoft flight sim, i'm qualified ;) [09:23] Laney: it's bulwell [09:24] ya, next to hucknall aerodrome [09:24] :) [09:24] I think Canonical One only has Stweardesses [09:24] I think it's some kind of positive discrimination thing ㋛ [09:24] popey: I've been to rocky horror, I can pull off a skirt ;) [09:24] hah [09:24] Ahem. [09:24] lol [09:32] :-Z [09:46] ok weird. nvidia was working all along, its because i'd changed monitor [09:46] "no screens found" [09:46] move back to old monitor and it works [09:46] although i was working ok with new monitor until reboot [09:53] heh [09:53] it probably looked for a specific model/serial number [09:54] the computers have won for today [09:54] It doesn't if you unplug a monitor (and plug in a new one) while everything is running [09:54] i have work to do [09:54] but it DOES on startup [09:54] somehow elementary got borken when xserver was instaleld [10:02] MartijnVdS: how am i supposed to switch screens? [10:03] s/screens/monitors/ [10:04] foobarry: with a normal graphics card and no xorg.conf, just switch them [10:04] foobarry: with nvidia? no idea. [10:06] ah, i had a .config/monitors.xml [10:13] popey, foobarry [10:13] I could kiss you both [10:13] thank you [10:13] Myrtti: what did i do? [10:13] huh [10:14] you brought your lts graphics problems out [10:14] somehow upgrading xserver removed gala window manager :S [10:14] spent 2 hrs fixing my problems today [10:16] I tried to get the hardware support extended few days back, thought I rebooted the machine a few times and it worked, and then uninstalled alsa-hda-dkms yesterday, and rebooted this morning, and didn't get past Plymouth [10:16] why do people have trouble with graphics? [10:16] i haven't seen a black screen since about 2008 [10:17] I couldn't work the google up to tell me what to do and I was already doing backups to install LTS 1404 on this against my better judgement [10:18] it's a Dell Latitude E6430 with 1204 LTS preinstalled so I really don't want to reinstall anything on it since I didn't do the initial installing myself and I don't know what new stuff the IT dept did to it between getting it from Dell and giving it to me [10:19] sounds like a damn good reason to wipe it and reinstall to me [10:19] well I don't also know what Dell has done to it before shipping it out, either [10:19] Myrtti: everything should just work with dell, I have a E6510 and everything works, the only thing I had to tweak was the wifi file as my wifi LED was blicnking all the time :D [10:20] well I say that, as in, my laptop is ok :) [10:20] but anyway [10:20] argh, graphics is a PITA [10:20] now using popeys instructions installing some packages it works again [10:21] and I don't have to reinstall anything [10:21] my mythtv box always resets to 720x576 when I turn my TV on again [10:21] Seeker`: make a VGA2SCART [10:21] ali1234: wut? [10:21] no [10:21] HDMI [10:21] lol, you have HDMI and it goes to 576? [10:21] that's unpossible [10:21] yes [10:21] pfft [10:21] no it isn't [10:22] what are you people doing to your poor computers... [10:22] I can't *stop* it going to 576 [10:22] it just ignores me. Even when the nvidia driver says it has chosen 1920x1080 in xorg.0.log it *still* chooses 576 [10:23] it's nvidia day 8-) [10:23] your TV is sending bad modes [10:23] tell nvidia to ignore it [10:23] ali1234: nope. It reports that it supports 1920x1080 [10:23] I've told it to ignore EDID. It then decides that 800x600 is the right thing to do [10:23] yes. you must tell it the modes manually [10:23] I did [10:24] it used to work fine, until my HDD died and I had to reinstall, about a year ago [10:24] new install, got this weird behaviour [10:24] it's not the monitor [10:27] nveeevia day? [10:27] I can't speel [10:27] nveedia day? [10:35] the evil monitors.xml as the culprit for me and i never even noticed it before [10:35] think it comes when you have 2 monitors [10:36] what's the latest nvidia driver anyway? [10:36] fromt he repos [10:37] 331 I think [10:41] i have had a corrupt monitors.xml before [10:41] just deleted it and started again [10:41] I'm so incredibly happy I fixed this problem [10:42] eww. getting screen corruption [10:42] in irssi [10:42] foobarry, popey: seriously, do you have paypal or something, I owe you a drink [10:43] i don't think i actually did anything besides break my system and cry on irc [10:43] haha [10:43] foobarry: but you expressed your problem in a way I couldn't do using my phone to IRC with [10:44] in words that made popey find a solution for it that I could understand [10:44] Myrtti: you need to learn to receive help freely, as you freely give so much help on freenode :D [10:44] where you have helped me many times before [10:44] midwifery is a valuable ... what's the word [10:44] occupation [10:44] foobarry: yeah but this was actually doing my head in [10:45] i would say vocation [10:45] which packages did you install? i'm on lts-kernel-trusty now [10:45] and it ruined my morning as I couldn't join the daily standup Hangout [10:45] not occupation [10:45] commodity [10:46] profession? [10:47] that's the word [10:47] \o/ [10:48] whats the diff between nvidia-331 and nvidia-331-updates? [10:48] -updates has updates to the kernel shims === awilkins_ is now known as awilkins [10:49] the whats [10:49] It's a binary driver ; it's provided with an open source adapter that links it to the kernel [10:49] That's the "shim" [10:50] (I'm not sure what terms the nvidia team use but that's how I think of it) [10:50] Does seem to be the accepted term from googling it [10:51] so...kde5 anyone? [10:52] http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [10:53] I think you mean Plasma 5. [10:53] They've started getting a bit uppity with people using the wrong terms. [10:53] KDE's plasma 5... [10:54] KDE *shiver* [10:54] "Nepomuk is gone, Baloo is here" [10:54] I shouldn't say that seeing as i've not used it in years [10:55] i still wear teh tshirt though [10:55] kubuntu kogs [10:58] i heard on UUPC that aseigo gave 200k of his own $$ to the tablet project, ..where did he get all that cash? [10:59] I am not 100% convinced it was $200K of his own cash [10:59] he may well have been measuring time working on the project, I don't know [11:00] he lives in Switzerland, he can't be badly off ☻ [11:29] wow spotify moving their servers to Ubuntu, that's 5000 ish of them :D [11:30] nice [11:31] http://raphaelhertzog.com/2014/07/16/spotify-migrates-5000-servers-from-debian-to-ubuntu/ [11:34] oh. [11:35] Wouldn't it just be super for everyone if Debian and Ubuntu got together and made LTS together? [11:35] That would address the complaint reflected on that page that Ubuntu only LTS-es the main repo === daubers_ is now known as daubers === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:53] awilkins: it wouldn't, because Debian's LTS only covers a subset of packages too. [12:35] discovered http://itch.io/ today [12:35] http://itch.io/games/platform-linux specifically [12:35] http://itch.io/games/platform-linux/price-free === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:53] i work with strange people. [13:53] bought a box of lollies. not many takers [13:56] nutters [13:57] aaaand now i have dropped lolly on my white shirt [13:58] they made me feel weird for offering lollies on hottest day of year [13:58] they are the weird ones [13:58] its like when i bought cakes [13:58] waaaat [13:58] D: [13:59] when I worked in an office if you went out and bought a box of lollies they'd be gone in seconds [13:59] you'd think so [13:59] no rhyme or reason [13:59] they would here where i am currently [13:59] just waved away naaah i'm ok [14:00] are they the kind that feel they then owe you? [14:01] no [14:01] some are not even in my team [14:01] i think....gasp....shudder...they miht not like lollies and cakes [14:02] 1 is vegan, 1 is milk allergy/intolerant, that leaves others [14:04] defective snackers [14:05] i made a mistake [14:05] forgot to also buy jelly snakes and chocolate [14:05] for my drawer of destiny [14:06] ebuyer annual revenue is in the 100s of millions :S [14:06] must be making tidy profit [14:09] they're pretty good, shame that after over 4 website redesigns and constant pestering they still refuse to solve automatic VAT deduction for channel islanders [14:10] i have memories of them selling really shoddy gear in the 2000s [14:10] very much B grade stock, much of it broken [14:10] :S [14:10] an acquaintance bought a pc from parts. every part was broken [14:10] wow [14:10] RAM=bad, mobo=bad, etc ,etc [14:11] daftykins: create a company account, then you don't see VAT listed [14:11] the display of VAT is easily done from the top menu [14:11] no problem there [14:11] but i have to pay it, then ask for it back [14:11] ah [14:30] foobarry, I'll take a lolly [14:30] i'll sftp it [14:30] thankya [14:31] i should've picked up ice cream at the supermarket >_< [14:32] i had qualms of eating more sensibly but... it's so hot [14:32] we bought Solero Mojito lollies few weeks ago [14:32] such a disappointment [14:33] that sounds pretty... erk [14:33] it said it had alcohol, but 0.02% doesn't taste much... [14:34] i don't like desserts to be ruined by booze [14:34] tiramisu? [14:35] daftykins: well it didn't have booze other than for marketing reasons :-| [14:35] I didn't taste the rum at all [14:40] what a busy day! [14:40] I've not even had one cup of tea or coffee yet! [14:40] * foobarry is drawing flowcharst [14:41] i've bought some food and done some washing [14:41] ^_^ [14:43] i went outside and video'ed an airbus a380 going over the house [14:44] hehe [14:44] very fancy [14:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SwQfn-TSEc [14:47] surprisingly quiet [15:01] omw [15:01] it looks kinda frightening, something so large banking like tht :) [15:02] jesus christ [15:02] indeed [15:02] the a380 and the 787 both do ridiculous manouvers at air shows [15:02] the take off looks near vertical [15:02] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918 [15:02] check out the take off on that [15:03] bear in mind it has no seats, cargo or passengers on board [15:03] :D [15:03] the a380 does the same, its bonkers [15:04] apparently our government owned airline ordered a plane without realising that you have to specify seats separately :> [15:05] jebus [15:05] I feel like throwing up looking at that [15:06] When I was camping at Download we had the world's biggest plane taking off over us. That was fun. [15:06] Guys if I buy a identical replacement drive for a laptop which is running windows 8.1 and dd the drive can I just dd it straight back onto new one without any issues ? [15:06] daftykins: That sounds as bad as the French rail company that ordered 2000 new trains costing £12.1Bn and then found that they were too wide to fit in over 1000 stations [15:06] (Antinov 225) [15:06] Antonov, even [15:06] diplo: I've done it a couple of times in the past, yeah [15:07] diplo: (though that was upgrading to a bigger drive) [15:07] diplo it's all about clonezilla [15:07] yeah thought so.. this has some bad sectors and I very much doubt they've made a back up disk of the orginal [15:07] I might have read Crichton's Airframe too many times [15:07] Just have a restore partition [15:07] Myrtti: oh yes, I've read that a couple of times too [15:07] daftykins, I was debating clonezilla as well, used it in the past... [15:07] diplo: dd_rescue might be useful [15:08] https://www.dropbox.com/s/isbwg5trnc08laf/IMG_20140715_172310.jpg [15:08] cloned a mates 40GB SSD to his new 256GB one in 3.5 minutes last night [15:09] Will give them both a go, just don't know what affect the bad sectors will have [15:09] how many are there? [15:10] Just seeing errors under a live disk, the machine crashes so can't run any checks on the actual disk currently [15:10] Crashes if I try to run any windows stuff [15:10] SMART info would say though [15:10] God how do people use Windows 8, god awful! [15:10] yeah did debate about apt-getting it, not installed on the live cd I have in there [15:11] with a start menu replacement, but even then... painfully [15:14] Looking for Offline_uncorrectable in smart ? [15:15] that's not a familiar title [15:15] just pastebin the lot :> [15:15] cloning isn't necessary if you have lvm [15:16] add the new disk, then you can remove the old smaller disk, and lvm sorts it [15:16] *some details omitted [15:16] what possible part of windows 8 laptop made you think of LVM? :) [15:17] oh, unlucky [15:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7803897/ [15:17] flowchart finished :D [15:17] brb [15:17] pencil has some cool features [15:17] a bit like balsamiq but not really [15:18] but has gtk widgets [15:18] to pop on your diagram [15:19] diplo: it's only reallocations so far so it might clone ok [15:21] great ta [15:30] what's this? openclipart api? [15:30] handy [15:48] https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxgrza51ndfwjs9/IMG_20140716_163001.jpg [15:48] lol. [15:49] https://www.dropbox.com/s/q9t2w3z0qojmw5g/IMG_20140716_164305.jpg [16:13] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ls2xfifyc9nk0zp/AADi5v6nyO5ruH0VZedlXH3La [16:14] that is one tiny machine [16:16] One of my first laptops was a Sony [16:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnotebook#mediaviewer/File:Sonyvaiosub1.jpg [16:16] one of them [16:19] :) [16:53] argh [16:54] my charger keepsfalling out of my laptop [16:54] so it switches to battery then dies [16:54] :< [16:54]