[00:04] <jrwren> i'm going to be playing with this for a while... thanks cmaloney  :) http://pangoly.com/en/build/share/de082a87-a5c9-424c-bf59-ce4cc4b86556
[00:04] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/2Alnic - User generated PC build: GIGABYTE, Intel, Kingston, SeaSonic, Thermaltake, Crucial - Pangoly
[00:13] <cmaloney> jrwren: Thank mrgoodcat
[00:17] <mrgoodcat> pcpartpicker is pretty good too
[02:43] <cmaloney> evening
[02:47] <sydney> cmaloney: Hulo :)
[02:47] <sydney> cmaloney: where do you live in Michigan?
[03:29] <cmaloney> sydney: Detrtoitvarea
[03:30] <cmaloney> ou?
[03:30] <sydney> cmaloney: Grand Rapids area ;)
[03:30] <cmaloney> ah, brousch is there as well
[03:31] <sydney> cmaloney: yep,i talked to him yesterday. hi brousch !! :D
[03:32] <sydney> cmaloney: what version of ubuntu do you run?
[03:53] <greg-g> Debian Testing :P
[11:38] <cmaloney> https://www.fitbit.com/us/toryburch
[11:38] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/9Eqxxz - Tory Burch for Fitbit
[11:38] <cmaloney> And people say I'm hard to shop for. :)
[11:39] <cmaloney> (Note: I really think these are gaudy)
[13:10] <jrwren> lol @ debian testing.
[13:28] <nullspace> rick_h__: how goes it working with a Apple laptop?
[13:28] <rick_h__> nullspace: don't know, done with it :)
[13:29] <jrwren> O_O
[13:29] <jrwren> what did you do with it?
[13:29] <rick_h__> well it's sitting under a pile of bills atm
[13:29] <rick_h__> on my second desk
[13:29] <rick_h__> not qa'ing anything in safari/osx atm :)
[13:29] <jrwren> so sad.   <3 mine.
[13:29] <rick_h__> ugh, hate that dippy thing.
[13:30] <jrwren> dippy?
[13:30] <cmaloney> You have to understand that MacOS X is not rick_h__ approved.
[13:30] <rick_h__> nor is that keyboard, or screen, or touchpad, or ...
[13:30] <rick_h__> dippy is a more playful stupid :)
[13:30] <jrwren> if the pci webcam worked in linux, it would be fully featured. I really like it.
[13:30] <rick_h__> don't be so dippy!
[13:30] <rick_h__> yea, that's a deal killer for me
[13:30] <jrwren> ok, making sure I wasn't missing some awesome dippy feature :)
[13:31] <rick_h__> so now just hating on this xps13
[13:31] <rick_h__> though I did hook up the air to my 'misc' display and use it for lightroom when I got back from the 4th holiday
[13:32] <cmaloney> I'm surprised the X230 hasn't made a return
[13:32] <rick_h__> lack of working mic kills that
[13:32] <rick_h__> and I do like the screen on the xps (well size, cursed reflective screens!)
[13:32] <nullspace> I can't even remember when I needed a mic or a webcam on a laptop
[13:33] <rick_h__> heh, I had 7 hours of google hangouts monday
[13:33] <rick_h__> yay me!
[13:33] <rick_h__> well, 7 scheduled. Some went short thankfully
[13:33] <nullspace> can't you use your tablet for that?
[13:33] <rick_h__> no, referencing google docs, code snippets, other urls from a tablet is not going to work
[13:34] <rick_h__> it's not like we're just shooting the breeze in the calls :)
[13:34] <nullspace> was just thinking use the tablet for the hangout and use your lappy for doc referencign and such
[13:34] <rick_h__> that's true I guess, except you can't copy/paste
[13:35] <rick_h__> so I guess you could connect twice, mute the laptop mic, and make it work
[13:35] <rick_h__> but at some point you just buy a laptop with working mic/camera
[13:35] <nullspace> true
[13:35] <jrwren> not nearly as convenient as Just Works desktop hangout
[13:35] <cmaloney> And then bitch about how $current_laptop isn't a thinkpad.
[13:35] <rick_h__> yep!
[13:35] <rick_h__> hey, I've kept my bitching to a min. nullspace asked me :)
[13:35] <cmaloney> heh
[13:35] <cmaloney> I liken it to a dam bursting
[13:35] <rick_h__> so laptop -1 is a work QA machine and photo machine only
[13:36] <rick_h__> and sits in a corner quietly
[13:36] <nullspace> I only ask as I might be getting a company issued machine and the higher ups have made it clear they are interesting in having an "app"
[13:37] <brousch> Everyone needs an app!
[13:37] <rick_h__> so running linux on it wasn't a dream.
[13:37] <rick_h__> the camera doesn't work, the touchpad software is a lot worse, and the mixed up keyboard needs some remapping
[13:38] <brousch> heh
[13:38] <rick_h__> and if you dual boot every osx update requires you to setup refindit again to get into your linux side
[13:38] <brousch> Remap your brain! Think different!
[13:38] <nullspace> aside from the not linux friendly parts of the laptop how was it just as an OSX machine?
[13:38] <cmaloney> Yeah
[13:39] <rick_h__> nullspace: it was ok, I had the 11" and the screen res is too tiny
[13:39] <rick_h__> nullspace: I can't use lightroom without an external monitor
[13:39] <jrwren> i had no touchpad issues. it just works, and refindit also just works. other than that, what rick_h__ said :)
[13:39] <brousch> And if rick_h__ says the screen res is too tiny, that means something!
[13:39] <rick_h__> I had some wifi issues, but when I upgraded my router it went away. So who knew
[13:39] <jrwren> as a prev owner of an 11", I agree. I've found 13" is perfect for me.
[13:40] <rick_h__> upgraded to AC and it would find the wifi on resume right away vs literally minutes on my N network gear
[13:40] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, I've got the 13" now with 1920x1080 and <3
[13:40] <rick_h__> well, I've got A 13" laptop (not the air 13)
[13:41] <brousch> I agree 12"-14" is the ideal laptop size
[13:41] <cmaloney> I wonder if you might like the Macbook Pro 13" better
[13:41] <rick_h__> the damn thing on the 11 is that they have a decent keyboard, so the 11" screen is purely artificial
[13:41] <nullspace> ah, yeah I'd likely need to go to powerbook
[13:41] <cmaloney> but it's a much more expensive screen
[13:41] <rick_h__> they have a giant bezel around the screen
[13:41] <rick_h__> it could have been a 12 or 12.5" without changing the form factor at all
[13:41] <cmaloney> rick_h__: That's the "built to a price" machine
[13:41] <rick_h__> but they're tied to their 13, 15, 17 history
[13:42] <nullspace> there was 17" mac?
[13:42] <cmaloney> Similar to the low-end 13" MacBookPro
[13:43] <jrwren> I beat the heck out of my laptops and the air holds up. I think part of the reason for the screen border is so it can survive drops and in my case, collisions in a bike bag
[13:43] <rick_h__> nullspace: yea, I had a 17", last non-intel they had
[13:43] <cmaloney> nullspace: back in 2006 when those were fashionable
[13:43] <nullspace> must have missed it
[13:43] <jrwren> i think 17" macbook pros are still a thing.
[13:44] <cmaloney> jrwren: Doubtful
[13:44] <cmaloney> Largest screen is 15"
[13:44] <rick_h__> I thought it was deprecated with 15" retina
[13:44] <rick_h__> once that came out they stopped with the 17
[13:44] <cmaloney> Though the iMac could be considered a laptop if the keyboard folded over the screen. ;)
[13:46] <jrwren> ah. i see.
[13:47] <brousch> My sister had a 17" macbook. It was a beast
[15:15] <brousch> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/3/technology/three-one-aussie-device-could-kill-pc
[15:15] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/WmExGA - The three-in-one Aussie device that could kill the PC | Business Spectator
[15:20] <cmaloney> Two words: bullshit
[15:21] <brousch> OBviously it won't kill the PC, but nifty device
[15:23] <cmaloney> I'll be surprise if this makes it out of the funding gate and into the production gate.
[15:23] <cmaloney> There's a huge gap between prototype and production
[15:24] <cmaloney> I do wonder how much of a market there is for these convertible devices though
[15:24] <_stink_> sales staff?  that's all i can think of
[15:24] <cmaloney> Seems like the Netbook phenomenon all over again
[15:24] <cmaloney> Everyone will have to have one, until nobody wants one
[15:25] <cmaloney> _stink_: yeah, much the same way that "hotelling" caught on.
[15:36] <brousch> I would like this. I want a dual-boot Android/Linux tablet
[15:36] <brousch> However it needs more than 32GB for the Linux part
[18:24] <brousch> cmaloney: wow. I missed nearly all of the prisoners you took. I only noticed 2 of them
[18:28] <greg-g> wait, they're basically doing what Canonical wanted to do, even after Canonical stopped going down the route, and they're calling the device... Unity
[18:28]  * greg-g headdesks
[18:28] <rick_h__> greg-g: ?
[18:28] <greg-g> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/3/technology/three-one-aussie-device-could-kill-pc
[18:28] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/WmExGA - The three-in-one Aussie device that could kill the PC | Business Spectator
[18:29] <greg-g> lol, the video is hilariously bad
[18:29] <rick_h__> hmm, well we are still trying to do the convergence story of desktop off your device I think
[18:30] <greg-g> so, even worse then :)
[18:30] <greg-g> trying to do what canonical is also trying to do, and calling it unity
[18:30] <rick_h__> oh, so this is android tied
[18:30] <rick_h__> yea, not that
[18:31] <brousch> greg-g: Even using Ubuntu!
[18:36] <greg-g> oh, rick_h__, while you're here...
[18:36] <greg-g> short list of good tech management books?
[18:37] <greg-g> in ~2 weeks (hopefully, pending any last minute vetos) I'll officially have 7 engineers reporting to me. Right now those 7 are "on my team" (for various values of "on" "my" and "team")
[18:37] <rick_h__> greg-g: quit now and run away?
[18:37] <greg-g> :(
[18:38]  * greg-g waits for rick_h__ to smile, waits for rick_h__ to smile.... please smile.... please smile
[18:38] <rick_h__> honestly, I've not had a chance to look at many books.
[18:38] <rick_h__> time for that is something I just can't scrounge up
[18:38] <greg-g> oh, I thought you had like 5 or so you were reading
[18:38] <rick_h__> heh, I read a kanban book, and bought 3 I've not opened
[18:38] <greg-g> yeah, I have 5ish hours of commute time each week, so...
[18:38] <greg-g> gotcha
[18:39] <rick_h__> yea, I had hoped to find some of the recommended books on audible but no luck
[18:39] <greg-g> :9
[18:39] <rick_h__> which has hurt since I could do more of that
[18:39] <greg-g> :(
[18:39] <greg-g> yeah
[18:40] <rick_h__> greg-g: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7804842/ is what I bought
[18:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ca3354 - Ubuntu Pastebin
[18:40] <rick_h__> I've only read much into one of them
[18:40] <brousch> 5 hours commute?!
[18:40] <rick_h__> I started another
[18:42] <rick_h__> greg-g: honestly though I'm flying by the seat of my pants and going crazy here so not the best person to chat with.
[18:44] <brousch> Think of your underlings as server processes. If they don't do what you want, kill them and restart them
[18:44] <rick_h__> heh, yea not quite the way it works
[18:47] <brousch> If they are troublesome, add a bunch of tests and monitor them closely. Keep statistics to find out where they are inefficient and ruthlessly correct it.
[18:51] <cmaloney> brousch: Good game
[18:52] <cmaloney> brousch: You haven't learned some of my bad habits in Go.
[18:52] <cmaloney> I tend to try to get a lot of captures and that can lead to me going down a lot of rabbitholes.
[18:53] <brousch> I'm still not sure of the scoring. You get points for captures and for territory, but I'm not sure of the points for each
[18:54] <cmaloney> Yeah, the scoring is a little weird
[18:54] <cmaloney> there's a concept of dead stones that I'm still a little fuzzy on
[18:56] <cmaloney> But we didn't have any dead stones in this game
[19:02] <greg-g> brousch: for the week
[19:02] <greg-g> brousch: 1.25 hours each way, 2 days week
[19:02] <greg-g> rick_h__: haha
[19:06] <brousch> cmaloney: I don't understand how territory is converted to points. I had 35 spaces and you had 46, but it gave me 11 points and you 16. Even if you divide it by 3 it would be 11.67 and 15.33
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> i'm not going to be at CHC tonight
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> again
[19:10] <mrgoodcat> :/
[19:16] <brousch> Ah, scoring is based on the empty spaces you control, not the entire area
[19:30] <widox> mrgoodcat: now you're on my CHC schedule ;)
[20:00] <cmaloney> brousch: yep
[20:01] <cmaloney> The book Beginning Go has a good chapter on scoring
[20:01] <cmaloney> Though it still eludes me
[20:02] <cmaloney> Not the least of which is because there's both Japanese and Chinese methods of scoring
[20:05] <brousch> Wikipedia seemed pretty clear
[20:05] <brousch> Though dead stones also elude me
[22:09] <gamerchick02> jrwren! hi!
[22:09] <gamerchick02> also hello ColonelPanic001 i have not talked to you in awhile.
[22:49] <jrwren> hi hi
[22:49] <jrwren> party?
[23:01] <gamerchick02> sure