[00:04] i'm going to be playing with this for a while... thanks cmaloney :) http://pangoly.com/en/build/share/de082a87-a5c9-424c-bf59-ce4cc4b86556 [00:04] http://goo.gl/2Alnic - User generated PC build: GIGABYTE, Intel, Kingston, SeaSonic, Thermaltake, Crucial - Pangoly [00:13] jrwren: Thank mrgoodcat [00:17] pcpartpicker is pretty good too [02:43] evening [02:47] cmaloney: Hulo :) [02:47] cmaloney: where do you live in Michigan? [03:29] sydney: Detrtoitvarea [03:30] ou? [03:30] cmaloney: Grand Rapids area ;) [03:30] ah, brousch is there as well [03:31] cmaloney: yep,i talked to him yesterday. hi brousch !! :D [03:32] cmaloney: what version of ubuntu do you run? [03:53] Debian Testing :P [11:38] https://www.fitbit.com/us/toryburch [11:38] http://goo.gl/9Eqxxz - Tory Burch for Fitbit [11:38] And people say I'm hard to shop for. :) [11:39] (Note: I really think these are gaudy) [13:10] lol @ debian testing. [13:28] rick_h__: how goes it working with a Apple laptop? [13:28] nullspace: don't know, done with it :) [13:29] O_O [13:29] what did you do with it? [13:29] well it's sitting under a pile of bills atm [13:29] on my second desk [13:29] not qa'ing anything in safari/osx atm :) [13:29] so sad. <3 mine. [13:29] ugh, hate that dippy thing. [13:30] dippy? [13:30] You have to understand that MacOS X is not rick_h__ approved. [13:30] nor is that keyboard, or screen, or touchpad, or ... [13:30] dippy is a more playful stupid :) [13:30] if the pci webcam worked in linux, it would be fully featured. I really like it. [13:30] don't be so dippy! [13:30] yea, that's a deal killer for me [13:30] ok, making sure I wasn't missing some awesome dippy feature :) [13:31] so now just hating on this xps13 [13:31] though I did hook up the air to my 'misc' display and use it for lightroom when I got back from the 4th holiday [13:32] I'm surprised the X230 hasn't made a return [13:32] lack of working mic kills that [13:32] and I do like the screen on the xps (well size, cursed reflective screens!) [13:32] I can't even remember when I needed a mic or a webcam on a laptop [13:33] heh, I had 7 hours of google hangouts monday [13:33] yay me! [13:33] well, 7 scheduled. Some went short thankfully [13:33] can't you use your tablet for that? [13:33] no, referencing google docs, code snippets, other urls from a tablet is not going to work [13:34] it's not like we're just shooting the breeze in the calls :) [13:34] was just thinking use the tablet for the hangout and use your lappy for doc referencign and such [13:34] that's true I guess, except you can't copy/paste [13:35] so I guess you could connect twice, mute the laptop mic, and make it work [13:35] but at some point you just buy a laptop with working mic/camera [13:35] true [13:35] not nearly as convenient as Just Works desktop hangout [13:35] And then bitch about how $current_laptop isn't a thinkpad. [13:35] yep! [13:35] hey, I've kept my bitching to a min. nullspace asked me :) [13:35] heh [13:35] I liken it to a dam bursting [13:35] so laptop -1 is a work QA machine and photo machine only [13:36] and sits in a corner quietly [13:36] I only ask as I might be getting a company issued machine and the higher ups have made it clear they are interesting in having an "app" [13:37] Everyone needs an app! [13:37] so running linux on it wasn't a dream. [13:37] the camera doesn't work, the touchpad software is a lot worse, and the mixed up keyboard needs some remapping [13:38] heh [13:38] and if you dual boot every osx update requires you to setup refindit again to get into your linux side [13:38] Remap your brain! Think different! [13:38] aside from the not linux friendly parts of the laptop how was it just as an OSX machine? [13:38] Yeah [13:39] nullspace: it was ok, I had the 11" and the screen res is too tiny [13:39] nullspace: I can't use lightroom without an external monitor [13:39] i had no touchpad issues. it just works, and refindit also just works. other than that, what rick_h__ said :) [13:39] And if rick_h__ says the screen res is too tiny, that means something! [13:39] I had some wifi issues, but when I upgraded my router it went away. So who knew [13:39] as a prev owner of an 11", I agree. I've found 13" is perfect for me. [13:40] upgraded to AC and it would find the wifi on resume right away vs literally minutes on my N network gear [13:40] jrwren: yea, I've got the 13" now with 1920x1080 and <3 [13:40] well, I've got A 13" laptop (not the air 13) [13:41] I agree 12"-14" is the ideal laptop size [13:41] I wonder if you might like the Macbook Pro 13" better [13:41] the damn thing on the 11 is that they have a decent keyboard, so the 11" screen is purely artificial [13:41] ah, yeah I'd likely need to go to powerbook [13:41] but it's a much more expensive screen [13:41] they have a giant bezel around the screen [13:41] it could have been a 12 or 12.5" without changing the form factor at all [13:41] rick_h__: That's the "built to a price" machine [13:41] but they're tied to their 13, 15, 17 history [13:42] there was 17" mac? [13:42] Similar to the low-end 13" MacBookPro [13:43] I beat the heck out of my laptops and the air holds up. I think part of the reason for the screen border is so it can survive drops and in my case, collisions in a bike bag [13:43] nullspace: yea, I had a 17", last non-intel they had [13:43] nullspace: back in 2006 when those were fashionable [13:43] must have missed it [13:43] i think 17" macbook pros are still a thing. [13:44] jrwren: Doubtful [13:44] Largest screen is 15" [13:44] I thought it was deprecated with 15" retina [13:44] once that came out they stopped with the 17 [13:44] Though the iMac could be considered a laptop if the keyboard folded over the screen. ;) [13:46] ah. i see. [13:47] My sister had a 17" macbook. It was a beast [15:15] http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/3/technology/three-one-aussie-device-could-kill-pc [15:15] http://goo.gl/WmExGA - The three-in-one Aussie device that could kill the PC | Business Spectator [15:20] Two words: bullshit [15:21] OBviously it won't kill the PC, but nifty device [15:23] I'll be surprise if this makes it out of the funding gate and into the production gate. [15:23] There's a huge gap between prototype and production [15:24] I do wonder how much of a market there is for these convertible devices though [15:24] <_stink_> sales staff? that's all i can think of [15:24] Seems like the Netbook phenomenon all over again [15:24] Everyone will have to have one, until nobody wants one [15:25] _stink_: yeah, much the same way that "hotelling" caught on. [15:36] I would like this. I want a dual-boot Android/Linux tablet [15:36] However it needs more than 32GB for the Linux part [18:24] cmaloney: wow. I missed nearly all of the prisoners you took. I only noticed 2 of them [18:28] wait, they're basically doing what Canonical wanted to do, even after Canonical stopped going down the route, and they're calling the device... Unity [18:28] * greg-g headdesks [18:28] greg-g: ? [18:28] http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/3/technology/three-one-aussie-device-could-kill-pc [18:28] http://goo.gl/WmExGA - The three-in-one Aussie device that could kill the PC | Business Spectator [18:29] lol, the video is hilariously bad [18:29] hmm, well we are still trying to do the convergence story of desktop off your device I think [18:30] so, even worse then :) [18:30] trying to do what canonical is also trying to do, and calling it unity [18:30] oh, so this is android tied [18:30] yea, not that [18:31] greg-g: Even using Ubuntu! [18:36] oh, rick_h__, while you're here... [18:36] short list of good tech management books? [18:37] in ~2 weeks (hopefully, pending any last minute vetos) I'll officially have 7 engineers reporting to me. Right now those 7 are "on my team" (for various values of "on" "my" and "team") [18:37] greg-g: quit now and run away? [18:37] :( [18:38] * greg-g waits for rick_h__ to smile, waits for rick_h__ to smile.... please smile.... please smile [18:38] honestly, I've not had a chance to look at many books. [18:38] time for that is something I just can't scrounge up [18:38] oh, I thought you had like 5 or so you were reading [18:38] heh, I read a kanban book, and bought 3 I've not opened [18:38] yeah, I have 5ish hours of commute time each week, so... [18:38] gotcha [18:39] yea, I had hoped to find some of the recommended books on audible but no luck [18:39] :9 [18:39] which has hurt since I could do more of that [18:39] :( [18:39] yeah [18:40] greg-g: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7804842/ is what I bought [18:40] http://goo.gl/ca3354 - Ubuntu Pastebin [18:40] I've only read much into one of them [18:40] 5 hours commute?! [18:40] I started another [18:42] greg-g: honestly though I'm flying by the seat of my pants and going crazy here so not the best person to chat with. [18:44] Think of your underlings as server processes. If they don't do what you want, kill them and restart them [18:44] heh, yea not quite the way it works [18:47] If they are troublesome, add a bunch of tests and monitor them closely. Keep statistics to find out where they are inefficient and ruthlessly correct it. [18:51] brousch: Good game [18:52] brousch: You haven't learned some of my bad habits in Go. [18:52] I tend to try to get a lot of captures and that can lead to me going down a lot of rabbitholes. [18:53] I'm still not sure of the scoring. You get points for captures and for territory, but I'm not sure of the points for each [18:54] Yeah, the scoring is a little weird [18:54] there's a concept of dead stones that I'm still a little fuzzy on [18:56] But we didn't have any dead stones in this game [19:02] brousch: for the week [19:02] brousch: 1.25 hours each way, 2 days week [19:02] rick_h__: haha [19:06] cmaloney: I don't understand how territory is converted to points. I had 35 spaces and you had 46, but it gave me 11 points and you 16. Even if you divide it by 3 it would be 11.67 and 15.33 [19:09] i'm not going to be at CHC tonight [19:09] again [19:10] :/ [19:16] Ah, scoring is based on the empty spaces you control, not the entire area === mthax is now known as mthx_ [19:30] mrgoodcat: now you're on my CHC schedule ;) === mthax is now known as mthx_ [20:00] brousch: yep [20:01] The book Beginning Go has a good chapter on scoring [20:01] Though it still eludes me [20:02] Not the least of which is because there's both Japanese and Chinese methods of scoring [20:05] Wikipedia seemed pretty clear [20:05] Though dead stones also elude me [22:09] jrwren! hi! [22:09] also hello ColonelPanic001 i have not talked to you in awhile. [22:49] hi hi [22:49] party? [23:01] sure