[05:05] <bduk1> More almal
[06:36] <Squirm> morning
[06:37] <psyatw> morning Squirm 
[06:37] <Kilos> morning all
[06:37] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[06:38] <Kilos> hows things going with you psyatw 
[06:40] <psyatw> Kilos, quite all-right, I should say
[06:40] <psyatw> I'm finally getting settled again, although that is never too certain in my case
[06:40] <psyatw> and how are things going with you?
[06:40] <Kilos> haha
[06:40] <Kilos> good ty
[06:46] <psyatw> I just stayed here cleaning up my apartment and enjoying the world cup for the past few weeks
[06:47] <Kilos> cool
[07:04] <nuvolari> o/ morning
[07:07] <nuvolari> oh hi/bu4
[07:07] <nuvolari> er
[07:07] <nuvolari> sorry
[07:07] <nuvolari> oh hi Vince-0 
[07:08] <Kilos> lo nuvolari Vince-0 
[07:09] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos!
[07:09] <nuvolari> oh hi psyatw 
[07:09] <psyatw> hi nuvolari 
[07:16] <charl> good morning Squirm, psyatw, Kilos, nuvolari, Vince-0 
[07:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:16]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:16] <nuvolari> oh hi charl 
[07:16] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[07:16] <Maaz> nuvolari: Done
[07:17] <psyatw> good morning charl 
[07:17] <Kilos> hi charl 
[07:17] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[07:18] <Vince-0> Morn@
[07:18] <Vince-0> WINSday
[07:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and nuvolari!
[07:27] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:27] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[07:43] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:44] <mazal> anybody used this before: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/systemback-simple-system-backup-and-restore-application-with-extra-features.html
[07:44] <mazal> Looks interesting
[07:45] <charl> hi mazal 
[07:46] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:59] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:59] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:02] <mazal> What caught my attention there is the " Live system creation " , with remastersys stopped that might be an option
[08:09] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[08:09] <inetpro> Kilos: topic updated for you, sorry for being late with that
[08:11] <Kilos> np inetpro ty for doing that. i worry with you getting so busy
[08:12] <Kilos> all work and no play makes jack a dull bow
[08:18] <charl> hi inetpro 
[08:20] <Kilos> then again all play means no work gets done
[08:28] <inetpro> hi charl
[08:30] <inetpro> Kilos: no worries, I shall hopefully be more active here again one day
[08:35] <Kilos> hahaha while im still alive inetpro ?
[09:00] <Kilos> mazal, whats wrong with deja-dup
[09:00] <mazal> Nothing wrong with it oom , it just can't make live iso
[09:00] <Kilos> oh sorry i misunderstood again
[09:01] <Kilos> pity about remastersys hey
[09:01] <psyatw> hi inetpro 
[09:01] <psyatw> hi mazal
[09:01] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:02] <mazal> hi psyatw 
[09:02] <mazal> Ja nee oom , live iso making is a must for me
[09:02] <Kilos> wasnt there a fork to remastersys?
[09:04] <mazal> That dies before it even started. Last time I checked there was still nothing going on there
[09:04] <Kilos> eish
[09:04] <mazal> Currently I use an old 12.04 deb of remastersys
[09:04] <mazal> Fortunately it works with 14.04
[09:04] <Kilos> well thats ok as long as it still works
[09:05] <Kilos> 64bit?
[09:26] <mazal> Yep , 64bit
[09:27] <mazal> Can't remember of remastersys is 64bit version though
[09:27] <Kilos> ah did you have to do fancy things to it mazal ?
[09:27] <mazal> Nope , just installed the deb and Ubuntu installed the dependencies
[09:27] <Kilos> i still have a 12.04 package somewhere
[09:27] <Kilos> cool
[09:27] <mazal> I downloaded the last one that those new guys put on their site
[09:28] <Kilos> ill try find what i have
[09:28] <mazal> http://sourceforge.net/projects/os4systemimage/files/Remastersys%203.0.4-2/
[09:28] <Kilos> ty
[09:28] <mazal> That's the last deb that was made that I could find
[09:29] <Kilos> size?
[09:29] <Kilos> im a bit strapped for data but hope to get this avy
[09:30] <mazal> 3.3mb for the "all" package
[09:30] <Kilos> cool
[09:30] <Kilos> ty
[09:30] <mazal> The two gui files is about 178k each , but I never use those anyway
[09:31] <Kilos> haha i always use them
[09:31] <mazal> For some reason that link don't work
[09:31] <mazal> http://sourceforge.net/projects/os4systemimage/files/
[09:31] <mazal> This one does
[09:31] <Kilos> cool ty
[09:33] <Kilos> where do you see an all option?
[09:33] <Kilos> oh all.deb
[09:42] <mazal> Yay ! Finally got my first Mithril
[09:42] <Kilos> lol theres lots down deep
[09:42] <mazal> Already have 8 rainbows and only 6 Mithril :P
[09:43] <Kilos> wow
[09:43] <Kilos> never seen any nyan cat stuff yet
[09:45] <Kilos> mithril picks work lekker when working near lava, slower than mese and diamond picks
[09:45] <Kilos> but you need mithril later for some mods i think
[09:47] <mazal> Battled last night to get Jungles in sheees
[09:47] <Kilos> lol
[09:47] <mazal> And to fix the farming_plus mod that the update broke
[09:47] <Kilos> do you have the home stuff mod?
[09:47] <mazal> Yep
[09:47] <Kilos> whew funny stuff to make there
[09:48] <Kilos> try make a grinder or wrench and see
[09:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:48] <mazal> Tons of stuff to build there. Only problem is some of them in the crafter shows "unknown" at some recipe items
[09:48] <mazal> So we still short a mod or two
[09:48] <Kilos> nope graeme says you must use alternative
[09:49] <mazal> And I installed all required and recommended mods that the mod creator said
[09:49] <Kilos> he works around stuff i dont understand
[09:49] <mazal> Even alternate recipes have some unknowns
[09:50] <Kilos> haha another one i battled with is machine casing
[09:50] <Kilos> oh
[09:50] <Kilos> wait
[09:51] <Kilos> some of the ores you must use an alloy furnace to make. the kitchen furnace dont make right copper ingots for example
[09:51] <Kilos> very involved stuff
[09:52] <Kilos> ek sukkel my lam
[10:06] <mazal> alloy furnace ?
[10:07] <Kilos> i cant go see now but type in alloy in the crafter then look at the options it gives
[10:08] <Kilos> i think i found furnace there
[10:08] <mazal> I don't have alloy
[10:08] <mazal> That's a mod I don't have on mine
[10:09] <Kilos> things like fine copper wire etc?
[10:09] <Kilos> and engins and stuff
[10:09] <Kilos> engine
[10:10] <Kilos> and solar panels
[10:10] <mazal> Sounds like I have a different home decor mod
[10:11] <Kilos> oh wait for graeme to get a break and ask him
[10:11] <Kilos> he has wonderful stuff made to flatten my head trying to sort out
[10:11] <Kilos> hehe
[10:56] <Kilos> wbb
[11:55] <nuvolari> oh hi 
[11:55] <nuvolari> oom ping te veel :P
[11:59] <Gremble> Hmm anyone here familiar with ssh'ing from ubuntu into a debian VM?
[12:03] <Kilos> ek het niemand geping nie nuvolari 
[12:03] <Kilos> ek was buite na n reboot
[12:07] <Kilos> oi they away atm Gremble , methinks superfly is doing that
[12:16] <Vince-0> Gremble, why would it be any different from ssh'ing into any other server?
[12:16] <Gremble> I dunno. I havent done either
[12:20] <nuvolari> yeah, should be the same
[12:22] <Gremble> https://muffinresearch.co.uk/howto-ssh-into-virtualbox-3-linux-guests/ Following this, and I get a connection refused error
[12:22] <Kilos> you gotta be allowed on the other one i think
[12:38] <Vince-0> are they bridged or NAT network devices for the VMs
[12:38] <Vince-0> ew, that article is from 2010
[12:39] <Gremble> NAT
[12:39] <Vince-0> I only use bridged devices for virtualbox
[12:39] <Gremble> What is a bridged device?
[12:39] <Vince-0> less of an issue - I'll tell you that much
[12:42] <Gremble> Ok. thanks
[12:43] <Vince-0> I've never actually used NAT for virtualbox VMs
[12:44] <Vince-0> 'cos it messes with voip
[12:46] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:49] <Gremble> Blergh. This is more effort than it is work
[12:49] <Gremble> worth
[13:28] <Kilos> haha
[13:48] <SilverCode> is anyone having issues with the Raring repos?
[13:49] <SilverCode> I keep getting errors trying to install from them
[13:49] <Kilos> SilverCode, they been messed up for about a month now
[13:49] <Kilos> use main
[13:49] <SilverCode> thats the thing, I've tried main and the za repos
[13:50] <SilverCode> and both are failing
[13:50] <Kilos> oh my
[13:50] <Kilos> what are you trying to install?
[13:50] <Kilos> what error are you getting
[13:53] <Squirm> so... I have quite an old machine now. It's going on about 6/7 years. 2.3Ghz Dual Core Processor, about 4Gb RAM. I'm looking at getting a small 120Gb SSD, is it worth it? Will I notice a performance difference?
[13:53] <Squirm> it's a normal day to day machine. Internet, Email, IRC, etc
[13:53] <SilverCode> was trying to install nodejs
[13:54] <Kilos> SilverCode, try aptitude install nodejs and see what it tells you is wrong
[13:55] <SilverCode> Kilos: it just 404's on some packages
[13:55] <Kilos> whew they expensive them drives hey Squirm 
[13:55] <SilverCode> looks like it has just been EOL'd though
[13:55] <SilverCode> why they have to move the actaul repos confuses me
[13:55] <Kilos> oh my
[13:57] <Kilos> maybe you can still get those packages independantly
[13:58] <SilverCode> meh, maybe I should suck it up and just switch over to 14.04
[13:59] <Kilos> oh you still on 12.04
[13:59] <SilverCode> no, 13.04
[14:00] <Kilos> support is only 6 months for non lts releases
[14:00] <Kilos> not worth using rhem unless you do them rolling releases
[14:01] <SilverCode> I know ... but I didn't expect them to just up and move the repos like that. Sure, stop doing security updates, but at the very lease keep the repos where they were so I can install the exsiting old stuff :(
[14:02] <Kilos> oh wait
[14:02] <Kilos> there is a way
[14:02] <Kilos> old releases
[14:02] <Kilos> i ran 10.10 for years after it was shelved
[14:03] <Squirm> Kilos: the drives are expensive. but they're a lot cheaper than upgrading other bits
[14:03] <Kilos> you just after the speed Squirm ?
[14:04] <Squirm> any other reason to upgrade
[14:04] <Squirm> it's the performance increase for the price that I'm after
[14:05] <Kilos> yeah well you can explain it to me when you do it, because sata drives do gigs/s so how much faster can it be
[14:05] <Kilos> the cpu will not be fast enough to make a diffs isnt it
[14:07] <charl> hi SilverCode 
[14:08] <Kilos> isnt that like putting racing wheels on an uno
[14:10] <Kilos> you might get more speed overclocking the cpu if it can take it
[14:10] <Kilos> imo
[14:13] <Squirm> Kilos: you see... If I upgrade my processor and RAM, the ones I want will cost me just over R4200, whereas an SSD will be about R1500
[14:13] <Kilos> oh the mobo can take later cpu's
[14:14] <Squirm> yes, I have to upgrade CPU, motherboard and RAM
[14:14] <Kilos> i have ThatGraemeGuy t here too, using dual core but can use even i7 
[14:14] <Squirm> Kilos: that depends on the board
[14:14] <Kilos> ai
[14:14] <Kilos> i have that too
[14:14] <Squirm> you can still buy Dual Cores for the newer boards
[14:14] <Kilos> dunno why i hit tab there
[14:15] <Kilos> yes thats what i did, 1155 board with dual core cpu
[14:15] <Squirm> yes
[14:15] <Squirm> but I want a 1150 board with the shiny new processor :P
[14:16] <Kilos> lol so do i
[14:16] <Kilos> but ill be happy even with an i5 cpu in here
[14:16] <Squirm> I'm going to paste
[14:17] <Squirm> this is prices from Esquire
[14:17] <Squirm> ex VAT
[14:17] <Squirm> Foxconn B85MX- Intel® B85 Chipset LGA 1150 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 u ATX Motherboard- Socket LGA 1150, Supports: Intel Core i7, Core i5, Core i3 processors , 2x Dual-channel 1600MHz DDRIII slots, up to 32GB, 4x SATAIII, 3 x USB 3.0 (2 on Back panel , 1x Cable) ,4x USB 2.0 ports(2 on Back panel ,2x Cable) 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 slot , 1x PCIe x1 slot , 1x PCI bus slots, , Intel HD Graphics (On CPU), Realtek Gigabit LAN, 5.1channel HD Audio, Rear
[14:17] <Squirm>  IO Panel Display Ports Available: D-Sub Port, HDMI Port, Form Factor – Micro ATX
[14:17] <Squirm> R699
[14:17] <Squirm> Intel Core I5-4670K Haswell Processor LGA 1150 , 22NM 3.4GHZ 3.8 Turbo Ghz 4 Cores/ 4 Threads, 6M Cache
[14:17] <Squirm> R2699
[14:17] <Squirm> Kingston ValueRam 4.0GB  DDR3 1600MHZ Non ECC Desktop Memory Module
[14:17] <Squirm> R439
[14:17] <Squirm> comes to R3837 ex
[14:23] <Kilos> i have a foxcon motherboard here. seems very efficient to me compared to what i was used to
[14:45] <bushtech> Squirm: On a kubuntu machine I saw a noticeable increase in speed using a 120gb ssd as an os drive
[14:45] <Kilos> aha
[14:48] <Kilos> whew but they are pricey
[17:39] <charl> good evening folks
[17:45] <Kilos> hi charl 
[17:51] <Kilos> ohi my fly
[17:51] <Kilos> busy day hey
[18:04] <charl> hi Kilos 
[18:04] <charl> i was running around today yes
[18:04] <Kilos> the fly and others too, no pc time
[18:24] <Kilos> and gremble even forgot to revert to his nick
[18:24] <thebearnado> I have turned a new leaf.  Taken on a new persona. I will now wreak havoc wherever I land!
[18:24] <thebearnado> THEBEARNADO
[18:25] <Kilos> rofl
[19:02] <superfly> apparently they're even making a "Sharknado" game. ai.
[20:49] <Kilos> only 10 more minutes
[20:49] <thebearnado> until the end of the world?
[20:50] <Kilos> lol no man till 11pm and night surfer data starts working
[20:50] <thebearnado> Oh
[20:51] <thebearnado> That is much less exciting actually
[20:51] <thebearnado> :P
[20:51] <Kilos> haha
[20:51] <thebearnado> Compiz is causing tearing
[20:51] <thebearnado> I feel like I get shafted everytime I install Ubuntu
[20:51] <Kilos> what are you doing wrong
[20:52] <superfly> Which is why I steer clear of anything GTK-based. KDE or LXQt for me, thanks.
[20:53] <superfly> I installed the beginnings of KDE 5 on my computer at work today. It's really smooth... just needs more polish.
[20:53] <thebearnado> When this harddisk finally packs up
[20:53] <thebearnado> I am going to do an arch install and get it over and done with
[20:54] <thebearnado> I need sanity in my life
[20:54] <thebearnado> Or maybe slackware
[20:54] <thebearnado> I havent decided yet 
[20:54] <thebearnado> :P
[20:54] <Kilos> thebearnado, what drive 
[20:55] <thebearnado> The one on which my OS is living at the moment
[20:55] <thebearnado> One day I am going to boot up my computer and it is just going to be dead
[20:55] <thebearnado> I will be so happy
[20:56] <Kilos> i am running 2 old drives with windows using up the first 30 gig which is the place where ubuntu gives probs, and now ubuntu runs fine like that running on next partition
[20:56] <superfly> If you want sanity, why do you want to install arch or slack? Seriously, I would not recommend either of those if you're struggling with Ubuntu.
[20:56] <Kilos> how can you be happy without a pc
[20:57] <Kilos> linux is very sensitive to faulty drives
[20:57] <thebearnado> That means that I have a valid excuse for a new drive
[20:57] <Kilos> lol
[20:57] <thebearnado> I am too poor to just go and buy one :P It has to be broken, then I can ask my financiers for a new one
[20:57] <Kilos> what size drive?
[20:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:58] <thebearnado> superfly, I love my Arch laptop :P
[20:58] <thebearnado> I think it is 120gb Kilos 
[20:58] <thebearnado> Slackware is there just because I haven't given it a whirl yet
[20:58]  * superfly is hoping insurance will agree to pay out R5000 for a new laptop
[20:58] <superfly> And I just filed my taxes, so I should get a nice return there...
[20:58] <Kilos> oh my superfly was one stolen?
[20:58] <thebearnado> I am not clever enough for BSD, otherwise I wouldve tried FreeBSD again
[20:58] <superfly> Kilos: no, worse... I broke it :-(
[20:59] <superfly> thebearnado: PC-BSD
[20:59] <Kilos> the mac?
[20:59] <Kilos> how did you break it?
[21:00] <Kilos> you normally fix things
[21:28] <superfly> Kilos: no, my netbook
[21:28] <Kilos> eish superfly what happened
[21:28] <superfly> long story, en ek wil bed toe gaan
[21:29] <Kilos> ok lekker slaap
[21:29] <Kilos> im just making some things in minetest
[22:03] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight