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| OvenWerks | elfy: re: pkexec, I seem to remember at one time gui apps could be run without config. But that hasn't been true for a bit. I did try playing with the default action | 20:18 |
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| OvenWerks | org.freedesktop.policykit.policy | 20:19 |
| OvenWerks | but was not able to get it to pass the display info to the program . | 20:20 |
| elfy | OvenWerks: did you see the xubuntu new wiki page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Pkexec | 20:21 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, I saw that. | 20:21 |
| elfy | there are 3 policies there that DO work | 20:22 |
| elfy | even if they aren't attached properly for some reason | 20:22 |
| OvenWerks | Yes it is just that I thought maybe the default could be changed. | 20:22 |
| OvenWerks | I have made my own actions for software I have made. | 20:22 |
| elfy | I'm not sure what 'we're' going to do re that stuff tbh - I just brought it up - I spend more time in support areas than some others in xubuntu team | 20:23 |
| elfy | and thus see all the use gksudo stuff constantly - and know that it's only ubuntu xubuntu and studio that don't seed gksu | 20:23 |
| OvenWerks | But the only reason Studio doesn't have gksu is that it used to be in the default desktop. | 20:24 |
| OvenWerks | So we didn't need to seed it. | 20:24 |
| elfy | the defaul xubuntu stuff? | 20:24 |
| OvenWerks | Will Thunar have some thing in the menu for a root window? | 20:24 |
| elfy | not afaik | 20:25 |
| OvenWerks | No the default desktop stuff. | 20:25 |
| OvenWerks | If you look at our seeds they depend on a default desktop. | 20:25 |
| elfy | I wasn't party to the original xubuntu lose gksu discussion - and didn't really have much time last cycle to think about it | 20:25 |
| elfy | ok | 20:25 |
| OvenWerks | There is a desktop-common. | 20:26 |
| elfy | ok - so gksu is now missing from that then I assume | 20:27 |
| OvenWerks | That would be my guess, we used to have it but did not remove it | 20:30 |
| elfy | the thrust of my argument remains - ubuntu xubuntu and studio don't have it - I'm wondering why xubuntu don't as we've not got any policies | 20:31 |
| OvenWerks | It would be nice to have a menu selection that starts thunar as root... terminal too | 20:31 |
| elfy | ubuntu obviously have paid people sorting this stuff out | 20:31 |
| elfy | they have more policies :) | 20:31 |
| elfy | personally I install gksu - seems easiest to me :) | 20:32 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, they have moved everything to polkit. I think lubuntu and kubuntu have put gksudo back in. | 20:32 |
| elfy | yep | 20:32 |
| OvenWerks | We should maybe do the same. | 20:32 |
| elfy | pretty sure edubuntu/myth etc have gksu still | 20:32 |
| elfy | it's certainly in the manifests that I looked at - was just missing from the 3 | 20:33 |
| elfy | though if you had it somewhere else I'd not have looked any deeper :p | 20:33 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, gotta run, be back in a while. | 20:33 |
| elfy | I suspect I'll be snoring :) | 20:34 |
| elfy | but forestpiskie is in here logging for me if you want to ping me | 20:35 |
| OvenWerks | elfy: forgot to mention. sudo -E seems to work. | 21:03 |
| elfy | so does sudo -H afaik | 21:03 |
| OvenWerks | Yup, I wouldn't have thought so... the display gets set after, but it is probaly just my understanding of what the man page means | 21:07 |
| elfy | same | 21:07 |
| elfy | we've been having forum discussions on this - both in the dev area and in the staff area | 21:08 |
| OvenWerks | I think we need to do some of this stuff for studio too. But I think the plan at some point is to just use one of the xubuntu desktop metas. So what xubuntu sets up will probably just work. | 21:10 |
| OvenWerks | I know zequence wants to off load as much of the desktop work and maintenance as we can because we are a small team. | 21:11 |
| elfy | I can understand that :) | 21:11 |
| OvenWerks | I don't think wisker will work for us though. It is nice but because of our sub-submenus it is harder to use than the old menu. | 21:12 |
| elfy | yea I can see that being an issue | 21:12 |
| elfy | you'd have to create menus rather than subs | 21:12 |
| OvenWerks | I supose we could run 6 of them :) | 21:12 |
| elfy | lol | 21:13 |
| OvenWerks | (one for each workflow) | 21:13 |
| OvenWerks | But if we were going to do that, the idea of a workflow menu or application that just has the apps needed for that workflow is another direction. | 21:14 |
| elfy | or create specific menus - seems like a lot of work for little gain if current menu works | 21:14 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, my thought too. It is more along the lines of making things work in other DEs | 21:15 |
| elfy | yea | 21:16 |
| OvenWerks | sudo -H gives an error message like "Failed to connect to session manager: Failed to connect to the session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable not defined" that sudo -E does not. | 21:16 |
| elfy | not here | 21:19 |
| OvenWerks | interesting. | 21:19 |
| elfy | sudo -H thunar - asks password - opens as root | 21:21 |
| elfy | anyway - love to talk, but time's marching slowly towards the end of the day here for me :) | 21:22 |
| elfy | good night OvenWerks :) | 21:22 |
| OvenWerks | Ya that works here too, it was the terminal | 21:22 |
| OvenWerks | gn | 21:22 |
| elfy | heh - ok | 21:22 |
| elfy | cya | 21:22 |
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