[20:18] <OvenWerks> elfy: re: pkexec, I seem to remember at one time gui apps could be run without config. But that hasn't been true for a bit. I did try playing with the default action
[20:19] <OvenWerks> org.freedesktop.policykit.policy
[20:20] <OvenWerks> but was not able to get it to pass the display info to the program .
[20:21] <elfy> OvenWerks: did you see the xubuntu new wiki page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Pkexec
[20:21] <OvenWerks> Ya, I saw that.
[20:22] <elfy> there are 3 policies there that DO work 
[20:22] <elfy> even if they aren't attached properly for some reason
[20:22] <OvenWerks> Yes it is just that I thought maybe the default could be changed.
[20:22] <OvenWerks> I have made my own actions for software I have made.
[20:23] <elfy> I'm not sure what 'we're' going to do re that stuff tbh - I just brought it up - I spend more time in support areas than some others in xubuntu team
[20:23] <elfy> and thus see all the use gksudo stuff constantly - and know that it's only ubuntu xubuntu and studio that don't seed gksu
[20:24] <OvenWerks> But the only reason Studio doesn't have gksu is that it used to be in the default desktop.
[20:24] <OvenWerks> So we didn't need to seed it.
[20:24] <elfy> the defaul xubuntu stuff?
[20:24] <OvenWerks> Will Thunar have some thing in the menu for a root window?
[20:25] <elfy> not afaik 
[20:25] <OvenWerks> No the default desktop stuff.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> If you look at our seeds they depend on a default desktop.
[20:25] <elfy> I wasn't party to the original xubuntu lose gksu discussion - and didn't really have much time last cycle to think about it 
[20:25] <elfy> ok
[20:26] <OvenWerks> There is a desktop-common.
[20:27] <elfy> ok - so gksu is now missing from that then I assume
[20:30] <OvenWerks> That would be my guess, we used to have it but did not remove it
[20:31] <elfy> the thrust of my argument remains - ubuntu xubuntu and studio don't have it - I'm wondering why xubuntu don't as we've not got any policies
[20:31] <OvenWerks> It would be nice to have a menu selection that starts thunar as root... terminal too
[20:31] <elfy> ubuntu obviously have paid people sorting this stuff out 
[20:31] <elfy> they have more policies :)
[20:32] <elfy> personally I install gksu - seems easiest to me :)
[20:32] <OvenWerks> Ya, they have moved everything to polkit. I think lubuntu and kubuntu have put gksudo back in.
[20:32] <elfy> yep
[20:32] <OvenWerks> We should maybe do the same.
[20:32] <elfy> pretty sure edubuntu/myth etc have gksu still
[20:33] <elfy> it's certainly in the manifests that I looked at - was just missing from the 3 
[20:33] <elfy> though if you had it somewhere else I'd not have looked any deeper :p
[20:33] <OvenWerks> Ya, gotta run, be back in a while.
[20:34] <elfy> I suspect I'll be snoring :)
[20:35] <elfy> but forestpiskie is in here logging for me if you want to ping me 
[21:03] <OvenWerks> elfy: forgot to mention. sudo -E seems to work.
[21:03] <elfy> so does sudo -H afaik
[21:07] <OvenWerks> Yup, I wouldn't have thought so... the display gets set after, but it is probaly just my understanding of what the man page means
[21:07] <elfy> same 
[21:08] <elfy> we've been having forum discussions on this - both in the dev area and in the staff area 
[21:10] <OvenWerks> I think we need to do some of this stuff for studio too. But I think the plan at some point is to just use one of the xubuntu desktop metas. So what xubuntu sets up will probably just work.
[21:11] <OvenWerks> I know zequence wants to off load as much of the desktop work and maintenance as we can because we are a small team.
[21:11] <elfy> I can understand that :)
[21:12] <OvenWerks> I don't think wisker will work for us though. It is nice but because of our sub-submenus it is harder to use than the old menu.
[21:12] <elfy> yea I can see that being an issue
[21:12] <elfy> you'd have to create menus rather than subs 
[21:12] <OvenWerks> I supose we could run 6 of them :)
[21:13] <elfy> lol
[21:13] <OvenWerks> (one for each workflow)
[21:14] <OvenWerks> But if we were going to do that, the idea of a workflow menu or application that just has the apps needed for that workflow is another direction.
[21:14] <elfy> or create specific menus - seems like a lot of work for little gain if current menu works 
[21:15] <OvenWerks> Ya, my thought too. It is more along the lines of making things work in other DEs
[21:16] <elfy> yea
[21:16] <OvenWerks> sudo -H gives an error message like "Failed to connect to session manager: Failed to connect to the session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable not defined" that sudo -E does not.
[21:19] <elfy> not here 
[21:19] <OvenWerks> interesting.
[21:21] <elfy> sudo -H thunar - asks password - opens as root
[21:22] <elfy> anyway - love to talk, but time's marching slowly towards the end of the day here for me :)
[21:22] <elfy> good night OvenWerks :)
[21:22] <OvenWerks> Ya that works here too, it was the terminal
[21:22] <OvenWerks> gn
[21:22] <elfy> heh - ok
[21:22] <elfy> cya