=== aleb_ is now known as aleb === aleb_ is now known as aleb [20:18] elfy: re: pkexec, I seem to remember at one time gui apps could be run without config. But that hasn't been true for a bit. I did try playing with the default action [20:19] org.freedesktop.policykit.policy [20:20] but was not able to get it to pass the display info to the program . [20:21] OvenWerks: did you see the xubuntu new wiki page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Pkexec [20:21] Ya, I saw that. [20:22] there are 3 policies there that DO work [20:22] even if they aren't attached properly for some reason [20:22] Yes it is just that I thought maybe the default could be changed. [20:22] I have made my own actions for software I have made. [20:23] I'm not sure what 'we're' going to do re that stuff tbh - I just brought it up - I spend more time in support areas than some others in xubuntu team [20:23] and thus see all the use gksudo stuff constantly - and know that it's only ubuntu xubuntu and studio that don't seed gksu [20:24] But the only reason Studio doesn't have gksu is that it used to be in the default desktop. [20:24] So we didn't need to seed it. [20:24] the defaul xubuntu stuff? [20:24] Will Thunar have some thing in the menu for a root window? [20:25] not afaik [20:25] No the default desktop stuff. [20:25] If you look at our seeds they depend on a default desktop. [20:25] I wasn't party to the original xubuntu lose gksu discussion - and didn't really have much time last cycle to think about it [20:25] ok [20:26] There is a desktop-common. [20:27] ok - so gksu is now missing from that then I assume [20:30] That would be my guess, we used to have it but did not remove it [20:31] the thrust of my argument remains - ubuntu xubuntu and studio don't have it - I'm wondering why xubuntu don't as we've not got any policies [20:31] It would be nice to have a menu selection that starts thunar as root... terminal too [20:31] ubuntu obviously have paid people sorting this stuff out [20:31] they have more policies :) [20:32] personally I install gksu - seems easiest to me :) [20:32] Ya, they have moved everything to polkit. I think lubuntu and kubuntu have put gksudo back in. [20:32] yep [20:32] We should maybe do the same. [20:32] pretty sure edubuntu/myth etc have gksu still [20:33] it's certainly in the manifests that I looked at - was just missing from the 3 [20:33] though if you had it somewhere else I'd not have looked any deeper :p [20:33] Ya, gotta run, be back in a while. [20:34] I suspect I'll be snoring :) [20:35] but forestpiskie is in here logging for me if you want to ping me [21:03] elfy: forgot to mention. sudo -E seems to work. [21:03] so does sudo -H afaik [21:07] Yup, I wouldn't have thought so... the display gets set after, but it is probaly just my understanding of what the man page means [21:07] same [21:08] we've been having forum discussions on this - both in the dev area and in the staff area [21:10] I think we need to do some of this stuff for studio too. But I think the plan at some point is to just use one of the xubuntu desktop metas. So what xubuntu sets up will probably just work. [21:11] I know zequence wants to off load as much of the desktop work and maintenance as we can because we are a small team. [21:11] I can understand that :) [21:12] I don't think wisker will work for us though. It is nice but because of our sub-submenus it is harder to use than the old menu. [21:12] yea I can see that being an issue [21:12] you'd have to create menus rather than subs [21:12] I supose we could run 6 of them :) [21:13] lol [21:13] (one for each workflow) [21:14] But if we were going to do that, the idea of a workflow menu or application that just has the apps needed for that workflow is another direction. [21:14] or create specific menus - seems like a lot of work for little gain if current menu works [21:15] Ya, my thought too. It is more along the lines of making things work in other DEs [21:16] yea [21:16] sudo -H gives an error message like "Failed to connect to session manager: Failed to connect to the session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable not defined" that sudo -E does not. [21:19] not here [21:19] interesting. [21:21] sudo -H thunar - asks password - opens as root [21:22] anyway - love to talk, but time's marching slowly towards the end of the day here for me :) [21:22] good night OvenWerks :) [21:22] Ya that works here too, it was the terminal [21:22] gn [21:22] heh - ok [21:22] cya