[01:26] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: wanna subscribe me to packages you need uploaded? L)
[01:26] <bluesabre> :)
[04:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Are you aware of how to get the packages in -extras included in the packageset?
[06:31] <elfy> ochosi: pkexec wiki - added mousepad to the list, added policy files for all 3 - can never work out how to format code - so I didn't ;)
[06:32] <ochosi> elfy: oh nice
[06:32] <ochosi> that is both good and bad :)
[06:32] <elfy> heh
[06:32] <ochosi> let's not add the policy files directly into the page plz
[06:32] <ochosi> otherwise it'll become quite unaccessible
[06:32] <ochosi> file-attachments work just fine
[06:33] <elfy> I've no idea how to do that, not sure I've got the patience for it either with the ubuntu wiki
[06:33] <ochosi> well you have the files locally, no?
[06:34] <ochosi> then simply go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Pkexec?action=AttachFile
[06:34] <ochosi> and add them
[06:34] <elfy> if I remember this evening I'll do it then
[06:47] <ochosi> elfy: alrighty, i'll blame you if the wiki is spammed with inline policy-files ;)
[06:47] <elfy> I deleted it
[06:58] <elfy> tried to do it - as I suspected with the ubuntu wiki nothing is simple
[06:59] <elfy> tbh I would rather dig my eyes out with a spoon than try and work with the wiki
[07:10] <Unit193> That's why some of us have setup our own wiki. :P
[07:19] <ochosi> hehe
[07:20] <ochosi> it's not like i haven't been opposing the wiki :)
[07:20] <ochosi> the main reason we're still using it is to have everything in one place
[07:22] <elfy> I thought the main reason was to keep the person who thought it a great idea to use what we use feeling good about themselves
[07:22] <elfy> moinmoin that is 
[07:23] <elfy> so anyway - added the attachments but get "Current configuration does not allow embedding of the file Thunar because of its mimetype application/octet-stream.: Thunar"
[07:23] <elfy> not playing anymore 
[07:24] <ochosi> i see, that sucks a bit
[07:24] <ochosi> then let's just put them on a separate page inline
[07:24] <ochosi> and link to that page
[07:25] <elfy> I guess
[07:25] <elfy> cya this afternoon/evening now :)
[07:25] <ochosi> seeya elfy :)
[07:26] <ochosi> thanks for wrestling with the wiki ;)
[07:26] <elfy> lol
[09:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: nope, but I am going to try to become familiar with that this weekend
[09:35] <bluesabre> also, for any interested, I have my vacation next week, so I will either by much more or much less available
[09:36] <ochosi> :)
[09:36] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[09:37] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[09:37]  * ochosi is currently following up the xdg-utils MR to give it a chance to end up in 14.04.1
[09:37] <bluesabre> great
[09:37] <bluesabre> looks like the greeter and menulibre finally found their way to -proposed
[09:38] <ochosi> wanna help me with the sru paperwork? (didrocks is already sponsoring)
[09:38] <ochosi> yeah, saw that today and then felt motivated to do xdg-utils ;)
[09:38] <bluesabre> I can review it for you as needed
[09:39] <bluesabre> trying to get a few other things uploaded this morning
[09:39] <ochosi> to utopic?
[09:39] <bluesabre> and trusty-proposed
[09:44] <bluesabre> ochosi: just saw your xdg-utils get accepted for utopic
[09:44] <ochosi> yup
[09:44] <ochosi> didrocks helped me do my first debian patch
[09:44] <bluesabre> congrats :)
[09:44] <ochosi> heh, the little things ;)
[09:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: how did you get all the info added below "ProblemType: Bug" ?
[09:48] <bluesabre> hm?
[09:48] <ochosi> or well, maybe that's not needed at all...
[09:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: review plz https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/1342634
[09:51] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1342634 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "[SRU] xdg-screensaver should control X11's screensaver in Xfce as fallback" [Undecided,New]
[09:52] <ochosi> i'm surei forgot something (apart from subscribing the sru team ;))
[09:53] <bluesabre> Short and sweet
[09:53] <ochosi> well i try not to ramble ;)
[09:54] <bluesabre> I do that too often
[09:54] <bluesabre> emails take a while for me to write :D
[09:54] <ochosi> especially as it doesn't help with getting things fixed quickly
[09:54] <ochosi> hehe
[09:54] <ochosi> so, any tags i need to add?
[09:54] <ochosi> or anything?
[09:55] <bluesabre> should be fine, maybe have somebody nominate that bug for the Trusty release
[09:55] <ochosi> do i really need to provide a debdiff now?
[09:56] <ochosi> and how/where do i reference the release of xdg-utils that fixes the problem :)
[09:56] <bluesabre> it's generally preferred, unless didrocks is going to handle it entirely
[09:56] <ochosi> well i can ping him again and see...
[09:57] <bluesabre> You can just add a patch to the current release in trusty
[09:57] <ochosi> err, how?
[09:58] <bluesabre> and change the debian version from 1.1.0~rc1-2ubuntu7 to 1.1.0~rc1-2ubuntu8
[09:58] <bluesabre> you get to have fun :D
[09:58] <ochosi> :/
[09:58] <bluesabre> apt-get source xdg-utils
[09:58]  * ochosi has already had my share of fun today
[09:58] <ochosi> s/my/his/
[09:59] <bluesabre> https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt
[09:59] <ochosi> i've already added a patch
[09:59] <bluesabre> See "Making a new patch"
[09:59] <ochosi> it's not an inline change anymore
[10:00] <bluesabre> ah
[10:00] <ochosi> 11:44  ochosi$ didrocks helped me do my first debian patch
[10:00] <bluesabre> ok, just checked the version number
[10:00] <ochosi> :D
[10:00] <bluesabre> so xdg-utils is the same in trusty and utopic
[10:00] <ochosi> yup
[10:00] <ochosi> or: was
[10:01] <bluesabre> so you have your patch, and assuming you've created your .dsc/source.changes file from debuild or dpkg?
[10:01] <ochosi> i haven't done any of that :)
[10:01] <bluesabre> ok
[10:01] <ochosi> i basically followed this guide: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html
[10:01] <bluesabre> but you have your source directory, and an updated debian changelog?
[10:02] <ochosi> yup
[10:02] <bluesabre> go into the source directory
[10:02] <bluesabre> debuild -S -sa
[10:02] <bluesabre> er
[10:02] <bluesabre> probably -S
[10:02] <bluesabre> this will generate the files in the parent directory
[10:03] <ochosi> both ask me the same: http://dpaste.com/3CG21V4
[10:03] <ochosi> obviously i still have "unreleased" as version
[10:04] <bluesabre> go to the parent directory and do 'apt-get source xdg-utils' to grab the tarballs
[10:04] <ochosi> ok
[10:05] <ochosi> i'm still on trusty, so that'd be 1.1.0...ubuntu7
[10:05] <bluesabre> yup
[10:06] <bluesabre> source tarball is the same
[10:06] <bluesabre> debian is what changed
[10:06] <bluesabre> you're just building the package
[10:07] <ochosi> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[10:08] <bluesabre> ah
[10:08] <bluesabre> defined DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL in .bashrc?
[10:08] <bluesabre> ~/.bashrc
[10:09] <ochosi> gah, sorry, i have to get back to work, this is getting too much for now
[10:09] <bluesabre> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html
[10:09] <bluesabre> (for reference)
[10:10] <ochosi> plus i really don't wanna get set up with packaging :)
[10:11] <bluesabre> if you don't have any luck, I'll help with it this evening, just pack your debian directory and mail it to me
[10:11] <ochosi> otherwise all the other things don't get done anymore
[10:11] <ochosi> actually all i have here is already in bzr
[10:11] <ochosi> in https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xdg-utils/support_xfce
[10:11] <ochosi> but also in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/xdg-utils/utopic
[10:13] <bluesabre> ah
[10:13] <bluesabre> that makes it easier
[10:14] <bluesabre> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xdg-utils
[10:14] <bluesabre> edit d/changelog to trusty (dch -r)
[10:16] <bluesabre> bzr commit
[10:16] <bluesabre> bzr push lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu/trusty/xdg-utils/support_xfce
[10:16] <bluesabre> then link that to the bug report
[10:16] <bluesabre> and see if that's sufficient for didrocks
[10:17] <bluesabre> or really, just check with him in general
[10:17] <bluesabre> he probably just wants the paperwork
[10:19] <ochosi> mkay, let's see
[10:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: do you know if lubuntu is still using xfce4-power-manager for 14.10?
[10:32] <bluesabre> since we dropped the tray icon and replaced it with a panel plugin, 1.3 might be less than desirable for them
[10:32] <bluesabre> can you reach out to them before I merge https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1334185
[10:32] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1334185 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Please merge 1.3.0-1 from debian" [Undecided,New]
[10:33] <bluesabre> at the very least, they can enable indicator-power in its stead, but we should consult with them
[10:34] <ochosi> already done all that
[10:34] <ochosi> thing is that indicator-power doesn't work for them because it's gtk3 only
[10:34] <ochosi> and lubuntu's panel is gtk2
[10:35] <ochosi> be that as it may, we added a lxde panel plugin
[10:35] <ochosi> that'll get released with the next 1.3 dev release
[10:35] <ochosi> (which we're working towards)
[10:35] <ochosi> but yeah, gilir already knows about all of this, because – to answer your first question – they'll most likely stick with their gtk desktop for 14.10, hence also with powerman
[10:36] <bluesabre> great, thanks
[10:37] <bluesabre> I'll merge that this evening then :)
[10:37] <ochosi> yeah, although 1.3.0 doesn't have a high priority for me
[10:37] <ochosi> while it enables us to drop all patches, the next release will actually be a lot better (bringing blanking support etc)
[10:37] <bluesabre> I see
[10:38] <bluesabre> will that be 1.3.1 or 1.4?
[10:38] <ochosi> 1.3.1, 1.4 is the next stable
[10:38] <bluesabre> got it
[10:38] <ochosi> Noskcaj is already on our necks to get that out (for debian and upower1.0 support)
[10:38] <bluesabre> right
[10:39] <ochosi> but yeah, we still need to wrap up a few things
[10:40] <bluesabre> cool, I'll leave you to that then ;)
[10:40] <bluesabre> going to go beat myself up at the gym, be back this evening
[10:43] <ochosi> heh, hf then
[11:15] <brainwash> uhm what.. "Set default icon size to 32."
[11:15] <brainwash> why is it back to 32?
[11:16] <brainwash> did people complain about the bigger desktop icons in trusty or upstream?
[12:00] <ochosi> Noskcaj, Unit193 or bluesabre: whoever of you gets to it first, could you help with providing a debdiff for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744
[12:00] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1309744 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Light Locker blanks the screen when playing video" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:00] <ochosi> the paperwork is generally fine, i asked for nomination for trusty in #ubuntu-bugs
[21:34] <ochosi> Unit193?
[21:34] <Unit193> ochosi: I don't remember saying anything that'd make you question.
[21:35] <ochosi> well actually I asked something :)
[21:35] <ochosi> i wanted to ask you for help on the xdg-utils debdiff
[21:36] <ochosi> Noskcaj: and since you seem to be around too, could you please nominate the bug for trusty? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744
[21:36] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1309744 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Light Locker blanks the screen when playing video" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:38] <Unit193> ochosi: You had a merge proposal already, did you not?  I looked, seemed you picked number 2 of the 3 ways to get an upload.
[21:38] <Noskcaj> sure
[21:38] <ochosi> Unit193: it's in utopic already, but we need a SRU to trusty
[21:39] <ochosi> i'd like it to make it for 14.04.1
[21:39] <Unit193> Ahh.
[21:39] <ochosi> so i need a debdiff
[21:39] <Noskcaj> fyi, i'm never around 1200UTC-2000UTC, so i didn't see the earlier ping
[21:39] <ochosi> after we have the debdiff and it's nominated, we can subscribe the sru team
[21:39] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i knew that, but wasn't sure when i'd be around, so i thought i'd ping you as well and whoever would see it first...
[21:40] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:40] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Don't read backlog?  Or at least pings in backlog?
[21:41] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I sometime do, but hexchat doesn't show what channel the ping came from when you first login, so if i find one from somewhere else, i assume it's the only one
[21:41] <Noskcaj> *sometimes
[21:41] <ochosi> wow, better get a better irc client then
[21:41] <ochosi> ;)
[21:43] <Unit193> Hah. :D
[21:43] <Unit193> I just strip highlights from ochosi, else I read 'em. ;)
[21:46] <ochosi> please ping me though when it's done
[21:47] <ochosi> thing is that we're running out of time and it might already be too late for that fix to land
[21:47] <ochosi> as the bug sucks big time though, it'd be nice to get it ironed out before .1
[21:52] <Unit193> ochosi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/qUGzmzyKeKLgyu5ttu8k/ Something simple like that? 0_o
[21:54] <ochosi> i guess it should be pretty simple as the patch is a one-liner
[21:54] <ochosi> whether it's a valid debdiff i can't tell
[21:54] <ochosi> if i could do this myself, i wouldn't ask ;)
[21:55] <Unit193> ochosi: You should be able to, why not?
[21:59] <ochosi> well first of all i really don't know the first thing about packaging
[21:59] <ochosi> and i think division of tasks makes sense
[21:59] <ochosi> why should i ask you to draw an icon?
[21:59] <Unit193> ochosi: I can do that!  It'll look ugly as heck though. :D
[21:59] <ochosi> ofc i could describe every step here on irc and you could follow it and then maybe in the end we have an icon
[22:00] <ochosi> so anyway, i presume you get where i'm going with this
[22:00] <Unit193> ochosi: Sure, I'm not saying you should, just that it's very easy if you wanted to.  I can attach that paste if you want.
[22:00] <ochosi> actually i did try today @work, but something with my gpg key setup is borked there
[22:00] <ochosi> and then i investigated for a bit and then decided it really isn
[22:00] <ochosi> 't worth it
[22:01] <ochosi> i'd rather fix a bug in xfpm so we get closer to the release
[22:01] <ochosi> Noskcaj: humm, just for my understanding of the procedure, why is the light-locker aspect of the bug (which is totally invalid) also nominated? or does that happen automatically?
[22:02] <Noskcaj> automatic
[22:02] <ochosi> a-ha
[22:02] <ochosi> fine then
[22:02] <ochosi> Unit193: please attach the debdiff and then, if you can, subscribe the sru team and then we wait until "tomorrow"
[22:02] <ochosi> then i'll do the "fun part" and go pinging ppl for help again
[22:03] <Noskcaj> Should we just drop light-locker as an affected package, since invalid is normally for when the entire bug is invalid
[22:07] <Unit193> ochosi: Done.
[22:08] <ochosi> Noskcaj: yes, please go ahead and do that
[22:08] <ochosi> Unit193: thanks a bunch!
[22:08]  * ochosi just pushed another patch to xfpm
[22:20] <Unit193> Bah, need to look at Xfce's commits again, silly Nick.
[22:20] <ochosi> hm?
[22:25] <ochosi> Unit193: silly nick what?
[22:26] <Unit193> ochosi: I review commits in git.xfce, and see if there's anything I want.  Would make it easier if I'd just have to read scrollback, filtered languages of course.
[22:28] <ochosi> yeah, the translation-commits suck a bit
[22:30] <Unit193> So, I should poke him on IRC next time I see him, I suppose. :/
[22:31] <ochosi> iirc someone suggested filtering out translations a while ago
[22:31] <ochosi> (on the ml, so you can search for the discussion on xfce's git setup)
[22:32] <Unit193> Right, I setup the IRC announce with filtered out translations.
[22:33] <ochosi> in what channel though?
[22:33] <Unit193> #xfce-dev of course.
[22:33] <ochosi> right, why not #xfce-commits?
[22:33] <ochosi> well i guess actually xfce-dev would work fine just as well...
[22:33] <Unit193> The channel wouldn't get that much output. ;)
[22:34] <Unit193> But, that's detail.
[22:35] <ochosi> yeah, i know it wouldn't
[22:36] <ochosi> but at least in commits you can just add it without anybody being bothered and without having to ask
[22:36] <ochosi> if ppl like it, you can add it in -dev too
[22:38] <Unit193> I can't do anything though, it needs to be someone with access to the server.
[22:38] <ochosi> oh right, i forgot
[22:38] <Unit193> :)
[22:43] <Unit193> It's still in: https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/irker/
[22:43] <Unit193> Ah crap, didn't want to link that to here.
[22:44] <ochosi> oh no, now it's out!
[22:44] <ochosi> :p
[22:53] <ochosi> Logan_: in case you're around, would you mind to upload this to trusty proposed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744
[22:53] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1309744 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Light Locker blanks the screen when playing video" [Undecided,Triaged]
[22:56] <ochosi> time to get some sleep, night everyone
[22:57] <Unit193> G'night.
[23:20] <ali1234> Unit193: i just subscribed to the commit ml and made a gmail filter to filter out translations