[04:16] <xfrozty> Hey, can someone help me get my touchpad setup?
[04:16] <xfrozty> apparently I have the drivers but when I run synclient I get: Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
[11:49] <rafaellaguna> suncokret, I was looking for you
[11:50] <suncokret> hello
[11:50] <suncokret> i am here
[11:50] <suncokret> :)
[11:50] <suncokret> what's new?
[11:50] <rafaellaguna> I figured out what problem was, a few minutes after we disconnected
[11:50] <rafaellaguna> I feel stupid :|
[11:51] <rafaellaguna> there's no bug at all
[11:52] <rafaellaguna> since a few releases, synaptic is a GTK3 app. Crux is a GTK2 theme with no support for GTK3 widgets. That's the problem. It's a very very old theme, unmaintained.
[11:53] <suncokret> so which theme is gtk3
[11:53] <suncokret> ?
[11:53] <rafaellaguna> many, ambiance, radiance, Lubuntu Box ;) , Zuki, Elementary, etc...
[11:54] <suncokret> is any of them instaled with system or i need to download them?
[11:55] <rafaellaguna> you have to install light-themes (these are ubuntu themes), or use the Lubuntu ones (already installed if you have Lubuntu, abviously)
[11:55] <rafaellaguna> but you can download more, at www.gnome-look.org  be sure to look for GTK3 themes only
[11:55] <rafaellaguna> Crux is still there for compatibility, but there's no reason to exist anymore if new apps cannot use it
[11:56] <suncokret> and why all other applications under root didn't accept colors?
[11:56] <suncokret> all are GTK?
[11:56] <suncokret> all are GTK3?
[11:56] <suncokret> for example
[11:56] <suncokret> grub customizer
[11:56] <suncokret> gufw
[11:56] <rafaellaguna> maybe because the user colors are meant to be used only for that user
[11:56] <suncokret> i will try with other theme
[11:56] <rafaellaguna> yes, every app started as root (even using "gksudo pcmanfm" will become root)
[11:57] <suncokret> and see will this work
[11:57] <rafaellaguna> yes, try, there're plenty nice GTK3 theems out there. of course I recommend use Lubuntu, maybe because I did it :D
[11:58] <suncokret> you mean
[11:58] <suncokret> lubuntu default theme?
[11:58] <rafaellaguna> yup
[11:58] <suncokret> some themes don't alow to change custom colors
[11:58] <suncokret> i hope that most of GTK3 themes aloww that
[11:58] <suncokret> allow
[11:58] <suncokret> :)
[11:59] <suncokret> i am not in lubuntu now
[11:59] <suncokret> and i have installed 13.04
[12:00] <rafaellaguna> if you want to keep it updated (GTK3 and icons too) use the instructions provided here: http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/p/artwork.html
[12:00] <suncokret> i have to return position of lubuntu 14.04
[12:00] <suncokret> so
[12:00] <rafaellaguna> it doesn't matter
[12:00] <suncokret> can you try to use some gtk3 theme
[12:00] <ikonia> is the lubuntu PPC port maintained by the core/same team as the x86 version or sperate people
[12:00] <rafaellaguna> and remember, colorization isn't a theme feature, it's a desktop feature, Ubuntu does not colorize, Lubuntu does
[12:00] <suncokret> and change background color in theme
[12:01] <suncokret> and then try to run synaptic
[12:01] <suncokret> can you try that now
[12:01] <suncokret> use some gtk3 theme
[12:01] <rafaellaguna> yes :)
[12:01] <rafaellaguna> I'm using Lubuntu default theme now in MATE, and Synaptic uses it
[12:02] <suncokret> you have MATE on Lubuntu?
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> confirmed
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm testing it, I have lots of desktops :D
[12:02] <suncokret> i was tried too
[12:02] <suncokret> xfce
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> openbox, windowmaker, xfce, lxqt, etc.
[12:02] <suncokret> cinnamon, it is very slow
[12:02] <suncokret> and
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> I need them to test my themes
[12:02] <suncokret> can you change to LXDE
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> cinnamon and gnome3 are really slow on old computers
[12:02] <suncokret> and then try
[12:03] <suncokret> to run synaptic
[12:03] <suncokret> because
[12:03] <suncokret> i was instal xfce on lubuntu 13.04
[12:03] <suncokret> and synaptic didn't acept selected themes
[12:03] <suncokret> and in LXDE it accept
[12:03] <rafaellaguna> trust me, install lubuntu-artwork package and it will work on root apps too
[12:04] <rafaellaguna> because it's installed in /usr/share/themes
[12:04] <suncokret> can i find that in synaptic?
[12:04] <rafaellaguna> yes
[12:04] <suncokret> i will try
[12:04] <rafaellaguna> lubuntu-artwork
[12:05] <suncokret> and
[12:05] <suncokret> is there something similar
[12:05] <suncokret> for xfce?
[12:05] <suncokret> in synaptic?
[12:05] <rafaellaguna> xubuntu has shimmer-themes, gtk3 too
[12:06] <suncokret> i will try
[12:06] <rafaellaguna> ok, enjoy!
[12:07] <suncokret> thank you
[12:07] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome ;)
[12:07] <suncokret> i'll be back to tell you results
[12:07] <rafaellaguna> fine, tell me
[12:07] <suncokret> i have just one partition for linux
[12:07] <suncokret> and i have dual boot with xp
[12:08] <rafaellaguna> don't you have a partition for your home?
[12:08] <suncokret> and i use clonezilla, or norton ghost
[12:08] <rafaellaguna> gparted works better and doesn't erase data
[12:08] <suncokret> for backup position of instaled and configured system
[12:08] <suncokret> i use it for backup
[12:08] <suncokret> partition to image
[12:08] <suncokret> :)
[12:09] <suncokret> no, i home is on \
[12:09] <rafaellaguna> I have en external disc for that
[12:09] <rafaellaguna> for backups I mean
[12:09] <suncokret> no, home is on \
[12:09] <rafaellaguna> it's safer to have a separate home partition, if you need rto reinstall and format Linux
[12:09] <suncokret> i know
[12:10] <suncokret> but i copied some directories from home .config
[12:10] <suncokret> with configurations from programs
[12:10] <suncokret> :)
[12:10] <suncokret> so i have that
[12:10] <rafaellaguna> too much work :D
[12:10] <suncokret> no
[12:11] <suncokret> i don't use much programs
[12:11] <rafaellaguna> I just clone my partition to the USB disc
[12:15] <suncokret> i have now backup images from Lubuntu 13.04 and 14.04
[12:15] <suncokret> i save it on other partition
[12:15] <rafaellaguna> so you can install 14.04 on top :)
[12:16] <suncokret> now i have on linux partition 13.04
[12:16] <suncokret> and i can delete it
[12:17] <rafaellaguna> right
[12:17] <suncokret> and change to 14.04
[12:17] <suncokret> for about 3 minutes
[12:17] <suncokret> :)
[12:17] <rafaellaguna> I recommend you 14.04, really, it's an improved system
[12:19] <suncokret> if i solve this with colors i will use 14.04
[12:20] <rafaellaguna> I'm not sure about colors, but it's not so important to colorize root apps, but they must use your theme, even in standard colour mode
[12:20] <rafaellaguna> another solution is changing the root theme, using "gksudo lxappearance"
[12:20] <suncokret> no
[12:20] <rafaellaguna> then you can colorize it too
[12:20] <suncokret> i tried that
[12:20] <suncokret> and when you type
[12:20] <suncokret> "gksudo lxappearance"
[12:20] <suncokret> system block
[12:21] <suncokret> and you can only restart it
[12:21] <suncokret> with restart taster
[12:21] <suncokret> :)
[12:21] <suncokret> that is bug
[12:21] <rafaellaguna> not for me, I'm testing right now
[12:21] <rafaellaguna> it works fine
[12:22] <suncokret> i was try that on LXDE on lubuntu 14.04
[12:22] <suncokret> and system was blocked
[12:22] <suncokret> :)
[12:22] <suncokret> then
[12:22] <rafaellaguna> O_o
[12:22] <suncokret> i was try
[12:22] <suncokret> to login in openbox
[12:23] <suncokret> and then i use "gksudo lxappearance"
[12:23] <suncokret> and i change colors
[12:23] <suncokret> but synaptic didn't accept them
[12:23] <suncokret> .
[12:23] <koell> is there an alternative gtk2/openbox theme for lubuntu? i need to see something differen :D
[12:23] <rafaellaguna> www.gnome-look.org :)
[12:23] <rafaellaguna> gtk2? what for?
[12:23] <koell> they dont look that good like the default one =(
[12:24] <koell> i dont know if i can take them seriously xD
[12:24] <rafaellaguna> Lubuntu theme is not "serious"?
[12:24] <koell> lubuntu ones itself is SERIOUS but not those on gnome look
[12:25] <rafaellaguna> try zukitwo, shimmer-themes or elementary, they're nice theme
[12:25] <koell> okey thanks
[12:25] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome
[12:26] <koell> but it is hard to find an overall good looking theme with icons and all that stuff xD
[12:26] <suncokret> i go to try... i'll be back
[12:26] <suncokret> thank you for help
[12:27] <rafaellaguna> my pleasure :)
[12:27] <koell> hey phillw :)
[12:27] <koell> i just cant find one that is nearly as good as lubuntu-default :D
[12:27] <koell> i may just adjust the colors :D
[12:28] <rafaellaguna> thanks :)
[12:28] <koell> rafaellaguna: O_o?
[12:29] <rafaellaguna> I made Lubuntu theme :D
[12:29] <koell> ohhhh yeah!!! \o/
[12:29] <koell> i like the one really
[12:29] <rafaellaguna> that's why I thank you :D
[12:29] <koell> but what i most like is, it looks good all together, colors, icons, theme etc
[12:29] <rafaellaguna> it's being accepted very well
[12:30] <rafaellaguna> yes, I tried to make eye pleasant and homogeneous, nothing disturbing
[12:30] <koell> i like the new white background since 14.04
[12:30] <koell> i guess it was gray before?
[12:30] <rafaellaguna> yes, it matches new Ubuntu themes, but I think it suits better with our colours
[12:30] <koell> i dont like ubuntu thems :D
[12:31] <rafaellaguna> even better with a shadow under the windows, using compton
[12:31] <rafaellaguna> I do, but I like this better
[12:32] <koell> lubuntu theme look really good with i3wm
[12:32] <rafaellaguna> really? I didn't tested that DE
[12:32] <koell> do you know how to change the background color of pcmanfm sidebar?
[12:32] <rafaellaguna> to-do note  ;)
[12:33] <rafaellaguna> you can't, it's in the code of the theme. only changing the theme
[12:33] <koell> oh
[12:33] <rafaellaguna> or if you're brave enough you can edit the theme file ;)
[12:33] <koell> i thought i can tweak that
[12:33] <koell> it is in the gtk2 theme file?
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> yes, in pcmanfm.rc
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> nope, sorry, in gtkrc
[12:34] <koell> haha
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> gtk_color_scheme = "sidepane_color:#dae0e6"
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> gtk_color_scheme = "sidebar_color:#dae0e6"
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> both
[12:34] <koell> i tried the default lxde/openbox themes. they look... weird
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> first lines
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> yeah, it looks... old
[12:35] <koell> where do i find that gtkrc?
[12:35] <rafaellaguna> in gtk2
[12:36] <rafaellaguna> I recommend you to use gcolor2 to generate a nice colour
[12:36] <koell> great :) do you know where to find some other icons? really i do like lubuntu default look, but i have to see something different sometimes :D
[12:36] <rafaellaguna> in www.gnome-look.org too
[12:37] <koell> im a lubuntu user for almost 4 years now \o/
[12:37] <rafaellaguna> wow, thanks! I love to hear that :D
[12:37] <koell> do you design the LXQT thing as well?
[12:37] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm on it
[12:38] <koell> i dont like to switch =)
[12:38] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm comfortable too, but change is needed, it's the future :)
[12:38] <koell> it looks not that simple for me imho :D
[12:39] <rafaellaguna> don't worry, I'll make it so Lubuntu like you won't notice any difference :)
[12:39] <koell> hahahah :D
[12:40] <koell> i just take a look on the new kde5. i think it still llooks stupid with that flat design + the shadow. hahahaha
[12:40] <rafaellaguna> yes, too flat, I know it's "trendy", but people get tired of that in a few hours, that's why I hate iOS andd the new Android, and installed MIUI instead
[12:41] <rafaellaguna> in my phone, I mean
[12:41] <koell> im nothing against flat, but they didnt decide between flat and sceumorphsmsmms xd
[12:42] <koell> but hey, they do their work in freetime, i appreciate that :)
[12:42] <rafaellaguna> the brain cannot "read" graphics in flat design after a few hours, we all designers know that
[12:42] <koell> really?
[12:42] <koell> maybe thats where long shadow design came in :D
[12:43] <rafaellaguna> yup, brain is lazy :D it wants well defined areas to look, and so flat colours are confusing
[12:45] <koell> rafaellaguna: so i can only use gtk2 themes in lubuntu right?
[12:45] <rafaellaguna> noooo, Lubuntu default theme is gtk3 (and gtk2 for old apps)
[12:46] <koell> oh
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> I have to go now
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> see you, guys :D
[12:47] <koell> rafaellaguna: come back!
[12:47] <koell> :3
[12:48] <rafaellaguna> I will, glad to speak with you ^^
[12:48] <rafaellaguna> bye!
[12:54] <fares> hi
[12:56] <fares> i use lubuntu   and i want    to  use  when  start  lubuntu between command line and gui  how?
[12:59] <fares> ?
[13:05] <fares> ?
[13:11] <koell> fares: you need to create a new session folder in ~/.config/lxsession
[13:12] <koell> just copy from the existing ones
[13:12] <koell> i do it the same for i3wm and on autostart i kill all what i dont need therefore :)
[13:13] <fares> koell  :  thank you  for answer   i will  try it
[13:13] <koell> :D
[14:15] <phillw> koell: he will be back this evening (UTC time).
[21:56] <rafaellaguna> http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f28/Galliriko/tumbleweed.gif
[22:00] <rena_> rafaellaguna: lol
[22:01] <rafaellaguna> :D