[00:05] <hallyn> smoser: though hm, i still would prefer it use /sbin/init
[00:09] <hallyn> so that networking gets set up, etc
[00:10] <hallyn> kirkland: so i'm doubting myself, and wondering if i shoul dkeep the large spinning rust disk in the new thinkpad, and replace the tiny m.2 drive with a larger ssd instead.
[00:10] <hallyn> (and screw swap)
[00:11] <sarnold> hallyn: i <3 my ssd. I still have a spinning metal drive in my t530 but only use it as an rsnapshot target to backup the contents off my ssd :)
[00:12] <sarnold> hallyn: once you've used an ssd you wouldn't want OS, applications, or data on spinning drives again..
[00:12] <hallyn> sarnold: right, my vaio had an 80G ssd;  i bought a new tp and am buing 3d party ssd for it,
[00:12] <hallyn> my plan was to just get a 240G intel 530 from amazon,
[00:13] <hallyn> but the t440s has a m.2 ssd in it, 16G (!)
[00:13] <hallyn> so maybe i should keep the 500G (shoulda gone with 1T) spinning disk for built-in backups,
[00:13] <hallyn> and get a m.2 180G m.2
[00:14] <hallyn> sarnold: frankly i hadn't heard of the m.2 drives before :)
[00:16] <sarnold> hallyn: I've thught about using the little msata slot on my systemfor another drive; I got the giggles when I thought that I could put three 1tb ssds in my laptop and run zfs raidz1... :)
[00:16] <Patrickdk> heh, I love the screen on it, but the rest of the laptop, heh, not impressed at all
[00:16] <Patrickdk> wish I could get a t530 with the t540 screen
[00:21] <kirkland> hallyn: I haven't used swap in like 8 years
[00:22] <kirkland> hallyn: frankly, I despise swap
[00:22] <hallyn> kirkland: you mentioned using the m.2 as swap in your email :)
[00:22] <kirkland> hallyn: and I avoid spinning disks whenever possible
[00:22] <hallyn> kirkland: pshaw.  for storing large files long-term...
[00:23] <hallyn> looking at http://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/content/CourseWarePublic/19958/player.html reading about the 3d m.2 hd slot
[00:23] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah, I did...just a thought;  I'm really happy with 16GB of main memory in my x230
[00:23] <sarnold> I'm 424 megabytes into swap on my 16GB RAM laptop. I figure the kernel knows what it's doing. :)
[00:23] <kirkland> hallyn: and I'd be disappointed to shrink to 8GB
[00:23] <kirkland> hallyn: also, I had another thought...
[00:24] <kirkland> hallyn: I always put /tmp in tmpfs
[00:24] <kirkland> hallyn: and I do *a ton* of work in /tmp
[00:24] <kirkland> hallyn: I fill that up all the time
[00:24] <kirkland> hallyn: I thought about putting /tmp on the m.2 hd
[00:25] <kirkland> sarnold: heh, swap sucks;  it's a waste;  and it's inherently insecure and always should be encrypted;  f*ck hibernate :-)
[00:29] <hallyn> kirkland: but yeah, so the 16G m.2 ssd seems useless to me, so for $150 I can get 180G m.2 ssd plus keep 500G hd, or else for $250 i can have just a 500G ssd.  i'm torn.
[00:29] <kirkland> hallyn: dunno
[00:30] <Patrickdk> :)
[00:30] <hallyn> heh or i could really take my chances, and go with a 500G crucial m.2 ssd :)
[00:30] <Patrickdk> sarnold, with or without zswap?
[00:30] <hallyn> but i've heard so many horror stories that i dare not
[00:30] <Patrickdk> hallyn, oh?
[00:31] <Patrickdk> the m400's wheren't that great
[00:31] <Patrickdk> but the m500's seems to be reliable
[00:31] <Patrickdk> and the m.2 is the same I think
[00:31] <hallyn> Patrickdk: well 2-3 years ago whe ni bought my first ssd, i was strongly warned to only buy intel at the time;  and yes many lost-hd stories from kirkland and others over the years
[00:31] <Patrickdk> looking to get a msata for my laptop to replace my 830, and then shove in a 1tb ssd where that is
[00:32] <kirkland> hallyn: yep, two of my non-Intel SSDs blew up (Patriot)
[00:32] <kirkland> hallyn: things may be better now
[00:32] <kirkland> hallyn: actually, none of the 150 SSDs in the OrangeBoxes are Intel
[00:33] <Patrickdk> well, I've stuck to only using intel/samsung/plextor
[00:33] <Patrickdk> looking to get some crucial as it's been looking to be reliable the last few years, and a few people I know with them, have had no issues
[00:34] <Patrickdk> only the m500's and m550's though
[00:34] <Patrickdk> the other brands, ya, I wouldn't touch them
[00:35] <kirkland> hallyn: what's the mouse/track situation on the thinkpad you're considering?
[00:36] <kirkland> hallyn: I'm most concerned about roaksoax's description of the mouse buttons
[00:36] <Patrickdk> there are none :)
[00:39] <sarnold> that's what worries me :)
[00:39] <hallyn> kirkland: wgrant (in ubuntu-devel) said that the mouse buttons at the top of the trackpad are virtual, but work ok for him.  i expect to hate that part.
[00:39] <sarnold> Patrickdk: without zswap
[00:39] <hallyn> kirkland: d'oh, http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo/736398-questions-regarding-m-2-ssds-t440s-other-new-haswell-lenovos.html
[00:40] <kirkland> hallyn: me too
[00:40] <hallyn> using m.2 for the ssd may or may not work, part of me wants to experiment...
[00:40] <hallyn> part of me, not :)
[00:41] <kirkland> hallyn: each lenovo thinkpad seems like one step forward, 2 steps backward
[00:41] <RoyK> hallyn: ssd for what?
[00:43] <hallyn> RoyK: fast boot and app startup?  fast builds?
[00:44] <hallyn> (i used to use ramfs for the latter)
[00:44] <hallyn> kirkland: yeah...
[00:44] <sarnold> ramfs doesn't help local apt proxy/cache much though :)
[00:44] <hallyn> sarnold: it gave me blindingly-fast live iamge creation
[00:45] <sarnold> hallyn: don't worry, you'll eventually find it slow and annoying again :)
[00:45] <Patrickdk> zswap + ssd makes hibernate go around 800MB/sec for me :)
[00:45] <hallyn> sarnold: oh that was 3-4 years ago :)
[00:45] <sarnold> hallyn: oh good :)
[00:45] <RoyK> hallyn: jeg kan ikke så mye om ubuntu desktop - sorry
[00:46] <RoyK> hallyn: a lot of people here know more about that
[00:46] <hallyn> eh, i guess i'll probably go with normal ssd, and disable the m.2 ssd
[00:46] <hallyn> (bc i don't want it interfering by caching)
[00:47] <Patrickdk> it won't cache
[00:47] <Patrickdk> unless you install a driver to do so
[00:47] <hallyn> that's done through windows driver?
[00:47] <Patrickdk> m.2 is just a pcie lane
[00:47] <sarnold> I think the caching might only happen on windows because it has drivers to make it do that. last I looked into it, I think it'll just show up as another drive in linux..
[00:47] <hallyn> yeah i was hoping that was the case but don't knwo what the bios is doint to me
[00:47] <Patrickdk> :)
[00:48] <hallyn> sarnold: i'd love for someone who has the thing to show what shows up in lspci and fdisk
[00:48] <Patrickdk> sadly don't
[00:48] <sarnold> hallyn: yeah, that'd be -awesome-
[00:48] <Patrickdk> but it should appear as a normal disk
[00:49] <Patrickdk> considering linux has had that driver for awhile now
[00:49] <Patrickdk> I think even 12.04 does
[00:49] <sarnold> hallyn: I always want to provide those kinds of answers for others once I buy hardware but don't know where I'd put it to be found. heh.
[00:50] <Patrickdk> on the thinkpad user linux wiki?
[00:51] <hallyn> Patrickdk: url?
[00:51] <sarnold> e.g. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T530
[00:52] <Patrickdk> now, this I did find really useful too
[00:52] <Patrickdk> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hFTArhNbmpmEBRkwRg0DMbEzLBCl43F1HXoXtJ8cm0k
[00:53] <hallyn> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T440
[00:54] <sarnold> Patrickdk: love the Blue Tack to create some bloody mouse buttons
[00:55] <hallyn> alas noone is talking about the HDD: 500GB (7200 rpm) with optional 16GB SSD Cache Drive
[00:55] <Patrickdk> :)
[00:55] <hallyn> sarnold: where is that?
[00:55] <sarnold> hallyn: once yours shows up you can add it please and thanks :)
[00:55] <Patrickdk> the google doc
[00:55] <sarnold> hallyn: a few pages into the googledoc
[00:55] <hallyn> i searched didn't find it
[00:56] <Patrickdk> dunno how you can mis that
[00:56] <hallyn> silly chrome
[00:57]  * hallyn cries a little
[00:58] <hallyn> all right, so 180G m.2 ssd, taking a chance, and keeping 500G spinning rust, for $140;  or just a 240G ssd for $160;  or a 500G ssd for $250.  i'll sleep o nit.  (laptop doesn't ship for a few more days)
[00:58] <sarnold> hallyn: oh, I hadn't realized you coul dstill change options..
[00:58] <hallyn> meanwhiel amazon is all excited about my cart :)
[00:59] <hallyn> sarnold: no, i'm buying the disk aftermarket
[00:59] <sarnold> hallyn: good idea
[00:59] <hallyn> lenovo wanted a lot more $$
[01:02] <Patrickdk> ya, they wanted an insane amount of money for 16gigs ram
[01:09] <hallyn> yeah, i'm getting that 3d party too.  went with 4G
[01:09] <hallyn> i'd have been willing to pay soemthing like $50 for the privilege of not having to install it myself, but...
[01:10] <sarnold> same here. lazy. but also cheap. :)
[01:11] <Patrickdk> heh, I had fun with a dell laptop recently
[01:11] <Patrickdk> my daughters wouldn't turn on anymore
[01:11] <Patrickdk> found out it was likely cause the rtc battery was dead
[01:11] <Patrickdk> to replace the damn coin cell, you have to remove everything, even the motherboard from the case
[01:11] <Patrickdk> and then swap out the battery
[01:13] <hallyn> yeah, i had to pull a hd out of a dell vostro.  took like an hour of surgery, the couldn't have made it any harder
[01:14] <hallyn> so for all the complaining we do about thinkpads getting worse over time, at least we can still just take off the back cover to replace teh hd
[01:14] <Patrickdk> :)
[01:14] <hallyn> heck, my sony vaio was better.  incomparably
[01:14] <Patrickdk> heh
[01:14] <Patrickdk> I haven't had a sony vaio last more than a few months
[01:15] <sarnold> I just hope our whinging about thinkpads gets someone there to realize they can't take linux sales for granted any more. they
[01:15] <hallyn> oh mine lasted 3.5 years.  but finally now it just won't boot right
[01:15] <hallyn> well ok, it did melt down once, so i ahd to replace the melted hd
[01:15] <hallyn> i still really liked it
[01:15] <sarnold> they've changed so many of the things that we've liked abou them that they are no longer The Obvious And Only Choice
[01:15] <hallyn> still, what i want is a pixelqi laptop to use outside :)
[01:15] <sarnold> :)
[01:15] <Patrickdk> well, when lenovo got it, all their laptops where crap, except the origional thinkpad lines
[01:16] <sarnold> sure
[01:16] <Patrickdk> now the they all are geting modified :(
[01:16] <sarnold> that's why no one ever bought them :)
[01:16] <Patrickdk> I got an sl500 by accident
[01:16] <Patrickdk> it physically wore through the plastic case with the palms of my hands in under a year
[01:16] <sarnold> ooof.
[01:17] <Patrickdk> went it in for repair, and it came back more broken then it went in
[01:18] <TJ-> I've got Vaios from 2002 still going strong :)
[01:18]  * Patrickdk streams at the horrible thought
[01:18] <hallyn> oh the lenovo s10-2 was awesome
[01:18] <TJ-> hallyn: I've got the pixelQi, great screen :)
[01:18] <hallyn> TJ-: really!  wehre did you get it?
[01:19] <TJ-> hallyn: Notion Ink Adam
[01:19] <hallyn> ah
[01:19] <hallyn> i did find a reseller willing to sell me one for $250
[01:19] <hallyn> but i just cdan't afford that to use a 3 year old netbook (i.e. slow-as-molasses) outdoors
[01:19] <TJ-> I use it with a bluetooth keyboard as a remote SSH terminal :)
[01:19] <hallyn> yeah i've thought ofd doing that with a rooted nook simple touch
[01:20] <hallyn> but <shrug> i can usually find a tree to sit under :)
[01:20] <hallyn> TJ-: i wish pixelqi would have taken off
[01:20] <TJ-> I'm on  a farm so I like the option to go out and about with it
[01:20] <hallyn> i've got kids and like to go sit at the park while they play
[01:20] <hallyn> really my ac100 does all right.
[01:21] <TJ-> hallyn: me too... Mary-Lou Jepsen went to work for Google X Projects, I think, last time I checked
[01:21] <hallyn> but boy, pixelqi woudl be nice
[01:21] <TJ-> hallyn: so possibly something interesting to come out of that :)
[01:21] <hallyn> yeah, i saw that in the blog
[01:21]  * hallyn is doubtful
[01:21] <hallyn> but we can hope
[01:22] <TJ-> I thought she was probably brought in to help get the Glass as good as can be
[01:23] <TJ-> I've found the 'Ink to be a great tool for sorting out servers remotely when I'm not near the laptop. Easy to carry, has 3G cellular. Basically, versatile.
[01:24] <hallyn> TJ-: they dont' sell them any more right?
[01:25] <TJ-> hallyn: No... only place now is ebay
[01:25] <TJ-> hallyn: The Adam 2 was a poor cousin, and the company lost the trust of its original buyers (like me) for all the delays and bad communication
[01:25] <hallyn> anyway, now that i've picked up the tp there's no way i can pay for the pixelqi screen right now :)
[01:25] <hallyn> that's too bad
[01:26] <hallyn> were they the ones who had a spat with b&n over the original nook?
[01:26] <hallyn> zul: smoser: best url for instrutions for installing devstack?
[01:27] <hallyn> oh sorry i see it now
[01:27] <zul> hallyn:  ill walk you through granite tomorrow im quite litterally falling asleep
[01:28] <hallyn> zul: tbh i am too
[01:29] <hallyn> but maybe in an hour i'll feel better;  will give it a shot befor ethe mroning - sorry, i hadn't seen the link you'd pasted earlier today
[01:29] <zul> hallyn:  no worries
[01:29] <smoser> hallyn, https://gist.github.com/smoser/4795358
[01:30] <smoser> launch an instance in serverstack with that 'ud-devstack.yaml' as '--user-data'
[01:30] <smoser> you can add serge-hallyn to the 'import_ids' at the top first so you can get in too :)
[01:31] <smoser> then wait and poof!
[01:31] <smoser> i dont have an easy way to tell you to switch it between
[01:31] <smoser>  LIBVIRT_TYPE=kvm or LIBVIRT_TYPE=lxc
[01:31] <smoser> (without branching that and putting your own url in)
[01:32] <hallyn> thanks, will try that
[01:32] <hallyn> (all stored away in my reference file)
[01:49] <rbasak> teward: o/
[01:49] <rbasak> teward: are you planning an nginx merge any time soon, please?
[01:50] <rbasak> teward: my team are going to pounce on doing a pile of merges, so I'm wondering if we should target that or leave it for you
[01:52] <teward> rbasak, the last time i attempted a merge it FTBFS continually and I gave it the finger and rm -rf'd the build directory, 'course i was also running on the tail end of a 14 hour day the last i tried...
[01:52] <teward> rbasak, also consider I still have 0 upload rights, so i'm not exactly enthusiastic about merging at the moment
[01:53] <teward> rbasak, your team is free to target the nginx merge if you'd like
[01:54] <sarnold> the unfortunate part of moving nginx to main :( you worked hard to get it there but then can't touch it..
[01:54] <teward> rbasak, also, don't expect me to be that enthusiastic with triage of nginx in the near/medium-term future...
[01:54] <teward> i'm kinda focusing on outside-Ubuntu, personal things that'll require substantial financial and time investment
[01:55] <rbasak> teward: about the upload rights, I'd love to see you get PPU rights for nginx
[01:55] <teward> rbasak, so would I.  Got other priorities at the moment though
[01:55] <teward> (happy to share privately, not gonna share at all publicly)
[01:55] <rbasak> teward: but sure - we understood that you have no obligation. I'll take care of it, and thank you for all the work you've done already.
[01:55]  * teward nods
[02:14] <hallyn> kirkland: https://plus.google.com/+JimOltman/posts/JGtzG4r1CuJ    this guy used both m.2 slots for dual 128 ssds.  compelling
[02:15] <kirkland> hallyn: neat
[02:49] <prgCoder> hey hey - I tried 14.04 LTS and had problems with Samba - anyone else had problems - “no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory”
[02:50] <prgCoder> my other 12.04 installation wants me to upgrade to 14.04 but "I DO NOT WANT TO - WAHHH!"
[02:50] <prgCoder> until samba is fixed - that is...
[02:50] <prgCoder> any help - please guys ?
[02:55] <rbasak> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1341710 looks reasonable to me.
[02:56] <rbasak> prgCoder: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1257186
[03:02] <prgCoder> needs to be bumped up to a higher priority if everyone is going to move from 12.04 to 14.04 ...
[03:03] <prgCoder> rbasak: thanks for that - does not tell me when....
[03:03] <Patrickdk> prgCoder, how exactly does it want you to?
[03:03] <Patrickdk> it's still about a month away from asking you to do that
[03:04] <prgCoder> no - all my servers are showing it now
[03:04] <Patrickdk> then your running 13.10 for some odd purpose
[03:04] <prgCoder> maybe one of the other admins has force something
[03:05] <Patrickdk> oh, the 24th of this month is when it's suppost to happen
[03:06] <prgCoder> where is the pastbin thingy
[03:07] <rbasak> prgCoder: I have bumped the Importance, and I'll take another look at it now. But I think it's mainly just noise. The memory leak is minor because the processes that hit it are all short lived.
[03:07] <prgCoder> rbasak: there are some work arounds, but that just stops the messages - my credentials fail in 14.04 - not good
[03:08] <Patrickdk> hmm
[03:08] <Patrickdk> I have not played with samba on 14.04 at all yet
[03:08] <Patrickdk> guess I'll have to give it a go
[03:09] <prgCoder> Patrickdk: i definitely need it for my stuff
[03:10] <rbasak> prgCoder: then you have an unrelated issue I think. This particular bug and the corresponding fix points to nothing but some noise and a minor memory leak.
[03:10] <rbasak> prgCoder: 12.04 -> 14.04 is a major change from samba 2 to samba 3. You will likely need to adjust things.
[03:12] <prgCoder> samba 4 ?
[03:16] <rbasak> Yeah, sorry. 3 -> 4.
[03:25] <prgCoder> I will keep tinkering...
[06:17] <hxm> exists a log I can see what command executed the restart?
[06:17] <Abhijit> ??
[06:17] <hxm> my server is being restarted with no reason, the vps provider says they dont touch nothing
[06:18] <sarnold> hxm: maybe; check /var/log/auth.log -- if 'sudo' was used, it may have logged the command / user / directory
[06:19] <hxm> that file only contains the last 2 hours and this has been restarted 6 hours ago
[06:19] <sarnold> hxm: auth.log.1?
[06:19] <hxm> yes, I saw the light now
[06:21] <hxm> same thing
[06:21] <sarnold> .2? :)
[06:21] <hxm> i uncompressed it and  it just contains until 7th july
[06:22] <hxm> but there are many lines like this Jul 13 07:55:01 datatec CRON[12561]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Jul 13 07:55:02 datatec CRON[12561]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
[06:22] <hxm> and Jul 13 07:53:01 datatec CRON[12553]: PAM adding faulty module: pam_systemd.so
[06:23] <hxm> with grep -Rin restart /var/log I see nothing relevant
[06:23] <hxm> could be a hardware problem?
[06:23] <sarnold> hxm: heh, never seen that "faulty module" warning before; the cron lines are fine.
[06:23] <sarnold> hxm: look also for 'reboot' 'halt' 'shutdown'
[06:23] <sarnold> hxm: 'panic' and 'oops'
[06:26] <hxm> no luck :(
[06:46] <hxm> hey wait, could be an apt-get upgrade that generates the restart?
[06:47] <sarnold> very unlikely
[07:14] <Abhijit> what is the way to know if ubuntu is using a preseed file or not?
[07:36] <pds> preseeding works continues
[07:37] <pds> wondering how i would attach a script that is run after installation
[07:39] <Abhijit> pds, there is tag in kickstart file. it executes script post installation. maybe preseed have something similar? or just use kickstart?
[07:40] <Abhijit> pds, have you used preseed with multiple nic setup?
[07:51] <ruben23> hi guys i have  alinux server and i got a local NAS also with samba- how would i mount share teh samba share on the NAS on my linux server with user/password - any idea guys..?
[07:56] <pds> test
[08:04] <pds> hmm can attach a prescript to a preseed file?
[08:42] <pds> hmm can attach a prescript to a preseed file?
[09:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> My ubuntu server installation is able to connect to the network but not internet. Why could this be?
[09:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am able to connect to it through ssh locally
[09:27] <Abhijit> ToAruShiroiNeko, add nameserver 8.8.8.8 as first line in your /etc/resolve.conf comment everything else and then try. do not restart anything.
[09:29] <ashd> ToAruShiroiNeko: check your gateway
[09:31] <ashd> ToAruShiroiNeko: if you are using a later ubuntu - resolve.conf if manged by resolvconf
[09:31] <Abhijit> but we can change it for the time being for testing - by hand manually without resolvconf
[09:31] <Abhijit> it lasts until reboot or networking restart
[09:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ashd its a fresh install
[10:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> resolve.conf has nothing in it, should I create this file?
[10:14] <ashd> if i change the name of a volume group that holds the root partition - will i have to re-run grub install?
[10:24] <Abhijit> ToAruShiroiNeko, yes
[10:24] <Abhijit> ToAruShiroiNeko, you can always delete content later on
[10:26] <White_Cat> right but I cant even ping the google nameservers
[10:26] <White_Cat> it cant seem to connect beyond the network
[10:26] <White_Cat> I am ToAruShiroiNeko btw
[10:27] <Abhijit> firewall, faulty router / modem, isp blocked you?
[10:32] <White_Cat> none of those
[10:32] <White_Cat> I can speak to you on the same network
[10:33] <White_Cat> my computer and the one ubuntu server installed on shouldnt be any different aside from the mac address
[10:33] <White_Cat> its a vmware installaiton too so even that is virtual :)
[10:36] <Abhijit> ok
[10:37] <bitbyte_> hey guys, any of you know any good resources for how to amend the terminal resolutions ? after grub loads ubuntu my tv wont pick the signal for the server up. i think its because display reolution is too large / small
[10:37] <Abhijit> bitbyte_, in .xinitrc?
[10:38] <White_Cat> so what should I try because I have ran out of ideas
[10:38] <bitbyte_> i’m not too certain because i have not read into it to much
[10:40] <Abhijit> White_Cat, Reinstall host and guest?
[10:40] <Abhijit> White_Cat, also you mentioned that you didnt had /etc/resolve.conf. But i think that file should be there by default. you should get this clear. that will show if this install is corrupted or not
[10:51] <m_tadeu> where's the place to ask about packaging?
[10:51] <WhiteCat> USPS office? :p
[10:51] <WhiteCat> sorry sorry
[10:51] <m_tadeu> :P
[10:52] <Abhijit> m_tadeu, /j #ubuntu-packaging
[10:52] <WhiteCat> I am quote a newbie so I m more useless
[10:52] <Abhijit> WhiteCat, but you are on irc for 8 years!
[10:52] <m_tadeu> Abhijit: thanx
[10:53] <WhiteCat> over 8 years actually
[10:54] <WhiteCat> I have been on the internet since when we had to use vacume tubes :p
[10:54] <Abhijit> and still a noob!
[10:54] <Abhijit> there was internet in vaccume tube era?
[10:56] <WhiteCat> (not really, and no I am not THAT old either)
[10:56] <Abhijit> ;-)
[10:58] <WhiteCat> any ideas for my problem?
[10:58] <Abhijit> not as of now.
[11:00] <WhiteCat> is there a way to check if it is using some bizzire http proxy setting?
[11:00] <WhiteCat> thats the only thing that comes to my mind
[11:00] <WhiteCat> even though I chose not to install it during setup
[11:02] <Abhijit> WhiteCat, netstat --listen will show you connected processes.
[11:08] <WhiteCat> okay
[11:09] <WhiteCat> its pretty much only listening to the ssh port
[11:09] <WhiteCat> which I already knew since I am connected through it :p
[11:09] <WhiteCat> there ae a few other items
[11:50] <dduvnjak> i've updated my machines running precise to openssl 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.16, but they're still detected as vulnerable to CVE-2014-0224
[11:51] <dduvnjak> openssl changelog indicates that CVE-2014-0224 should be resolved
[11:51] <dduvnjak> am i missing something?
[11:51] <dduvnjak> i know that uvirbot :)
[11:53] <TJ-> dduvnjak: did you restart all processes that link the openssll libraries, before re-testing?
[11:53] <dduvnjak> yes, i rebooted the machines
[11:54] <TJ-> dduvnjak: what's detecting the vulnerability?
[11:54] <dduvnjak> http://csc.cyberoam.com/cyberoamsupport/webpages/scans/index.jsp
[11:54] <dduvnjak> http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/incident-detection/detection-script-for-cve-2014-0224-openssl-cipher-change-spec-injection/
[11:55] <dduvnjak> TJ: they both show the vulnerability
[11:56] <TJ-> dduvnjak: tried cyberroam on one of my Precise servers with that OpenSSL version, says its clean
[11:57] <TJ-> dduvnjak: The script reports "No need to patch."
[11:57] <dduvnjak> detection seems to work correctly both there and with the python script
[11:58] <TJ-> dduvnjak: apt-cache policy reports "Installed: 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.16"
[11:58] <dduvnjak> TJ: i get this:  The site/domain seems to be potentially vulnerable for CVE 2014-0224
[11:58] <dduvnjak> yes, same package on my side too
[11:58] <TJ-> dduvnjak: Are you sure the service that you're testing has linked the installed openssl, and not some other crypto library/version?
[11:59] <TJ-> dduvnjak: could the test you are running be going through a HTTPS proxy that is vulnerable?
[12:00] <dduvnjak> ldd `which nginx` | grep ssl
[12:00] <dduvnjak> 	libssl.so.1.0.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007fc30c687000)
[12:00] <dduvnjak> nope, there's isn't a proxy
[12:01] <dduvnjak> strings /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 |  grep "^OpenSSL "
[12:01] <dduvnjak> OpenSSL 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012
[12:01] <dduvnjak> this checks out, right?
[12:03] <pds> is it possible to run a postinst seed file in sudo mode (root)
[12:05] <TJ-> dduvnjak: that appears to
[12:05] <TJ-> dduvnjak: could the CVE be affected by library configuration?
[12:06] <dduvnjak> I'm not sure
[12:06] <dduvnjak> Just discovered something, one of my machines is passing the test
[12:06] <dduvnjak> everything's identically set up on it, same package and same library
[12:06] <dduvnjak> wtf
[12:08] <TJ-> dduvnjak: any load-balancing going on?
[12:08] <TJ-> dduvnjak: restart one of the failing services, for the hell of it, and retest, maybe?
[12:08] <dduvnjak> nope, just nginx listening on https
[12:08] <dduvnjak> tried rebooting the machines again completely, no luck
[12:08] <TJ-> dduffey: compare the md5sums of the executable and the libraries, across machines?
[12:09] <TJ-> oops, tab completion!
[12:09] <dduvnjak> :)
[12:09] <dduvnjak> i'll try that
[12:27] <dduvnjak> TJ: after i updated libss1.0.0 and libssl1.0.0-dbg machines passed the test
[12:28] <TJ-> dduvnjak: So they didn't get updated as part of the openssl package update?
[12:28] <TJ-> dduvnjak: were they held back for some reason?
[12:28] <dduvnjak> looks like they didn't
[12:28] <dduvnjak> not sure, i just updated the openssl package
[12:28] <dduvnjak> didn't see any errors/warnings
[12:29] <TJ-> dduvnjak: weird! I hope that isn't a general problem
[12:29] <dduvnjak> thank you for your help.
[13:05] <pds> sup guys trying to run a postinst script after my preseed file
[13:05] <pds> execution of preseed command "in-target wget -O /tmp/postint.sh http://<ip>/postint.sh; in-target /bin/bash /tmp/postint.sh
[13:06] <pds> d-i preseed/late_command string \
[13:06] <pds> in-target wget -O /tmp/postint.sh http://192.168.233.138/postint.sh ; \
[13:06] <pds> in-target /bin/bash /tmp/postint.sh;
[13:06] <pds>  
[13:20] <MACscr> pds: and?
[13:20] <pds> it errors
[13:21] <pds> give me a moment
[13:21] <MACscr> with?
[13:22] <pds> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=a6e5b08
[13:22] <pds> screenshot
[13:23] <MACscr> pds: well you need to go to another console (ALT + F2?) and view your syslog to find the error
[13:23] <MACscr> the script is running, ti just has an error within it
[13:24] <MACscr> pds: remember that the script needs to be in dash, not bash
[13:24] <MACscr> just in case you didnt know
[13:27] <pds> MACscr: excuse me?
[13:28] <MACscr> what did i say that confused you?
[13:28] <pds> dash
[13:28] <pds> you mean /bin/sh?
[13:28] <MACscr> what about it. That is dash
[13:29] <pds> didn't realy got the dash part there for a moment
[13:30] <MACscr> i honestly just finished yesterday with my finish template, etc. So thats the information i have from what i learned
[13:30] <MACscr> d-i preseed/late_command string wget http://puppet.mgr.myiacon.com:80/unattended/finish -O /target/tmp/finish.sh && in-target chmod +x /tmp/finish.sh && in-target /tmp/finish.sh
[13:31] <MACscr> lol, oops
[13:31] <MACscr> but thats what mine looks like
[13:31] <MACscr> you might be able to force bash the way you did it though
[13:32] <MACscr> but i honestly im pretty confident your issue is something within the finish script itself
[13:32] <pds> there i just a simple wget in it for testing
[13:33] <MACscr> can you pastebin it?
[13:33] <pds> sure
[13:34] <pds> pj@pj-pxe-server:/usr/share/nginx/www$ cat postint.sh
[13:34] <pds> wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zabbix/zabbix-2.2.2.tar.gz
[13:34] <pds> can be more simpeler i guess
[13:34] <pds> can't be *
[13:34] <MACscr> 1) you should direct its output to a particular path
[13:34] <MACscr> 2) maybe your dns isnt working
[13:35] <pds> dns should be working since i'm downloading from the archive during instal
[13:35] <pds> l
[13:35] <MACscr> pxe doesnt use dns
[13:35] <pds> let me check i must just have been /bash instead of /sh
[13:35] <MACscr> also, do a full path to wget
[13:35] <pds> besides i'm using ip :)
[13:36] <pds> to get the shell script
[13:36] <pds> any way let me retest
[13:36] <pds> back in about 20 minutes
[13:36] <MACscr> yes, getting the shell script isnt hte problem
[13:36] <MACscr> its the running of it
[13:36] <pds> yup
[13:36] <MACscr> hence why i said to look at the syslog to find the actual error
[13:36] <TJ-> Does the script need a shebang line?
[13:37] <pds> location?
[13:37] <MACscr> yes it does
[13:37] <pds> god darn it
[13:37] <MACscr> though maybe not if /bin/bash filename.sh is used?
[13:37] <Pupeno> What solutions are there to have distributed filesystems in Ubuntu?
[13:37] <MACscr> Pupeno: ceph
[13:38] <MACscr> moosefs?
[13:38] <TJ-> MACscr: That was my thought, although its always best to insert shebangs in shell scripts for consistency :)
[13:38] <MACscr> TJ-: i agree completely
[13:39] <Pupeno> MACscr: I understood that ceph focuses on key/value/objects and that their performance, for files, is not great. Do you know otherwise?
[13:39] <MACscr> Pupeno: whats the DFS going to be used for?
[13:40] <Pupeno> Files for a web app. Upload and generated files to be present in all the instances of the web app.
[13:40] <MACscr> hmm, ifenslave-2.6 is specific to the 2.6 kernel. Correct?
[13:40] <MACscr> so with the standard kernel of 3.13, i just use ifenslave?
[13:43] <MACscr> hmm, i guess i read that wrong
[13:43] <MACscr> that seems so weird
[13:43] <jrwren> your bottle neck would likely not be the DFS in a webapp. cephfs is good.
[13:43] <jrwren> you could also try gluster.
[13:44] <Pupeno> jrwren: I been trying to get gluster to work for over a month, I'm giving up on it.
[13:44] <MACscr> then you probably wont have much luck with cephfs
[13:44] <Pupeno> MACscr: why do you think that?
[13:44] <MACscr> plus cephfs isnt really production ready
[13:45] <MACscr> Pupeno: because gluster is easier to deploy =P
[13:45] <Pupeno> MACscr: their ubuntu specific init files are horribly broken.
[13:47] <Pupeno> MACscr: the community seems to not know or care too much about non-redhat distros.
[13:47] <Pupeno> MACscr: what do you mean by cephfs not being production ready? what's the source of that information?
[13:48] <MACscr> Pupeno: their website =P
[13:48] <MACscr> https://wiki.ceph.com/FAQs/Is_Ceph_Production-Quality%3F
[13:49] <jrwren> Some community folk (me) think that redhat exists to run oracle and sacrifices being better at other things.
[13:49] <Pupeno> I see :(
[13:50] <rbasak> You think that Ceph isn't great on Ubuntu?
[13:50] <MACscr> no one said that
[13:51] <patdk-wk> well, the us mil is very big into rhel too
[13:52] <MACscr> right. governments love expensive, supported, but stable stuff, that moves slowly with development
[13:52] <MACscr> not a bad thing really
[13:53] <patdk-wk> no, it's only a bad thing for developers :)
[13:53] <MACscr> yep
[14:08] <pds> script runs but i doesn't seem to store the wget command
[14:09] <pds> it may be beause i download to \tmp
[14:31] <MACscr> pds: ha. that would not store things, but it shouldnt cause an actual error
[14:32] <pds> MACscr: nope it did not
[14:33] <MACscr> pds: well it did according to the screenshot you showed me
[14:34] <MACscr> if the finish script doesnt have an exist status of 0, its going to give that error
[15:26] <bitfury> !info mysql-server
[16:24] <cloudman> geez guys, bloody updates, never ending
[16:26] <rbasak> cloudman: you don't have to take them!
[16:26] <rbasak> cloudman: you can opt for security only if you like. Though a security update will include all previous updates.
[16:29] <cloudman> rbasak:  just had a load of mysql updates so its not ubuntu but geez its like every day now :)
[16:30] <cloudman> so and so found a problem etc ...  I guess its very complicated for the developers
[16:33] <rbasak> cloudman: you could always install an EOL release if you don't want any updates :-P
[16:33] <rbasak> 10.04 maybe?
[16:34] <lordievader> Why not 6.04, then you are sure it is EOL :P
[16:35] <cloudman> 12.04 here ;) and one server 14.04
[16:35] <RoyK> cloudman: use a cronjob ;)
[16:36] <cloudman> RoyK have that built into virtualmin but I like to test updates first as I have a dozen live production servers
[16:37] <cloudman> tempted to use it though
[16:48] <rbasak> cloudman: please test from the -proposed pocket. Then you have further advanced warning, and if you find a regression it would be helpful for us to know so we can block it going out.
[16:48] <rbasak> cloudman: that doesn't apply for security updates like this mysql one though
[16:51] <cloudman> rbasak:  ty I have a lot to learn still
[18:02] <cloudman> Anyone do outsource server maintenance here feel free to pm me, just don't have the time
[18:42] <bitfury> if I wanted to grant read access permissions to a group for mysql, tomcat and nginx logs (/var/log) should I just add them to group mysql, nginx and mysql ?
[18:43] <linuxgeek_> hi, i want to know what is the max lun number supported by a linux kernel,
[18:43] <linuxgeek_> where can i get this info
[18:43] <bitfury> or o+rx to specific directories within /var/log?
[18:43] <Pici> bitfury: typically the 'adm' user group has read access to /var/log
[18:43] <linuxgeek_> i was reading LUN number supported http://support.bull.com/ols/product/system/linux/redhat/help/kbf/g/inst/PrKB11417
[18:44] <linuxgeek_> and it says modinfo scsi_mod
[18:44] <linuxgeek_> and when i do that it says ERROR: modinfo: could not find module scsi_mod
[18:44] <bitfury> Pici: ahh I see
[18:44] <linuxgeek_> thats bcoz i have fc attached
[18:44] <linuxgeek_> not scsi
[18:45] <bitfury> Pici: thank you
[21:03] <rberg_> hi on a few servers running ubuntu 12.04 I see the sterling pound symbol during boot all over the screen, they are gone by the time getty spawns the login prompt. and on tty7 (no X and no login prompt) I see "error no suitable mode found".. are they related and what could be causing that symbol to be printed?
[21:05] <rberg_> by searching that seems to be a grub error, although I dont see it around grub.. I see it in boot.log and on tty7.. strange
[21:21] <keithzg> Random question but perhaps someone here might know: are there any tricks to getting google to list the HTTPS version of a site, or does one just have to wait and hope it trawls enough links to the HTTPS version somewhere that it starts listing it as such by default? Finally set up HTTPS on my company's website, heh.
[21:23] <Ro_> hello, I have ubuntu server with Xen running in it, On top of Xen Dom0 I want to launch Cloudstack.
[21:24] <Ro_> Xen is working, cloudstack is working
[21:25] <Ro_> but I can't add host machine to a cloudstack, I got an error "Unable to add the host"
[21:26] <Ro_> I guess the problem is that I cant use xe commands from http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/latest/hypervisor/xenserver.html
[21:27] <Ro_> Is there a way to configure it without xe command?
[21:28] <bitfury_> I just installed OpenVPN on Ubuntu 14.04 but can only ping server, nothing behind it..
[21:28] <bitfury_> anyone ever run into this?
[21:40] <bigbrovar> Hi guys.. am setting up an ldap server.. so far so good all is well, except the part when I want to grant more pretty much admin access to an ldap user.. I created this file http://paste.ubuntu.com/7811153/ but when I tried to add it to the ldap config using  ldapmodify -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -f ./olcAccess.ldif .. I get this error  implementation specific error (80) olcAccess handler exited with 1
[21:41] <bigbrovar> am on ubuntu 12.04
[21:45] <bigbrovar> I am only able to add the ACL entry when I leave a space after olcAccess: {3}to *  however doing this means the ACL is not granted to specified user as the extra space is carried over to the cn=config database file (which can't be manually edited -or can it)
[21:45] <bigbrovar> am all new to ldap but am thinking I might have stumbled on a bug
[21:50] <bigbrovar> I know slapd.conf is now deprecated.. however is it possible to create a slapd.conf file with just acl ldap entries? am still a newbie at ldap
[23:27] <prgCoder> anyone know if I can uninstall samba from 14.04 and installed samba3 ?
[23:32] <rbasak> prgCoder: only if you install it from some other source.
[23:36] <prgCoder> rbasak: ok - maybe I can do it from an rpm package
[23:40] <rbasak> prgCoder: you'd probably be better off rebuilding the samba 3 package from Saucy.
[23:41] <sarnold> I'd probably prefer to build the upstream samba3 tarball from source in /usr/local/ instead. that way you can easily get updates applied if they ever release any further updates...
[23:54] <prgCoder> food for thought - thanks guys