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Hilikusi'm trying to install lubuntu but qwhen it asks where i am, it suggests the wrong city. when i type montreal, the continue and back buttons get disabled01:51
Hilikusso i can't continue the installation01:51
Hilikusthis should be pretty obvious. what am i missing?01:52
phillwHilikus: re-start the boot and run the self test on the boot option01:53
Hilikusself test on the disk?01:53
phillwwhen the usb / cd / dvd boots you have an option to self test. Let's get that one done so we know we have a good image.01:54
phillwtakes ~ 5 mns... saves hours :)01:54
Hilikusi did that01:55
Hilikusit was pretty fast, maybe 10 seconds01:55
Hilikusno errirs01:55
Hilikusi'll do it again01:55
phillwwhat are you installing from?01:55
Hilikusiso01:56
Hilikusno errors found, again01:56
phillwno... usb / cd / dvd ?01:56
Hilikuscd i guess01:57
Hilikusdidn't lnow there where others01:57
phillwokies, what version of lubuntu have you got?01:57
Hilikuslatests01:57
phillwthere are lots of 'latest' versions01:58
Hilikusreally??01:58
phillwyup, we support a lot of different systems. So ensuring you have the correct install disc for your computer is important.01:59
Hilikusmaybe i don't have the right latest. i just downloaded it from the website, 14.04  64bit01:59
phillwHilikus: do you have a 32 BIT machine?01:59
Hilikusno01:59
phillwwhich 64 bit version did you download?02:00
Hilikusthe one on the main page. what others are there?02:00
Hilikushttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/lubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso02:01
phillwHilikus: in that case, you do not type... you use your mouse / keypad to point to the area of the world near you :)02:02
Hilikuslol. really??02:02
phillwyup.. it it is GUI version (I use alternate).02:02
phillwonce near your area, you can expand the map to choose closer and closer02:03
Hilikushow do i expand?02:05
phillwHilikus: give me one moment, I'm just seeing if a canadian is on line. she will be far more used to this than me :)02:07
Hilikuswow, that map thing is pretty bad. if i click near miami, it says new york02:07
phillwbelkinsa: please meat Hilikus02:08
belkinsaWHo was the one that needed the time zome help?02:08
phillwhe's in montreal and is having a problem choosing the TZ02:08
belkinsaHilikus, nice to meet you.  The time zone is UTC - 5 hours, so Eastern Time Zone with Daylight Saving on.02:08
Hilikusno matter where i click, it only shows Toronto, or new york02:08
Hilikusit doesn't let me select that02:09
belkinsaNew York = your place.02:09
Hilikusi have to choose a city02:09
Hilikusi know for timezone it's the same, but it says where are you, i am not in NY02:09
belkinsaI'm on Ohio but I had to choose NY02:09
belkinsaIt's how the installer was built.02:10
belkinsain*02:10
Hilikusand if i type montreal, it does appear in the list but then the continue and back buttons get disabled02:10
belkinsaHmmm, seems to be a bug.02:10
phillwHilikus: it may have been removed as part of the on going struggle to have lubuntu be the only member of the family to CD sized... Hard decisions have had to be made. such things can be added back once the install in finished02:12
belkinsaOr that.02:12
phillwbelkinsa: it may be a bug, but I know that Julien is struggling to keep lubuntu CD sized. e.g. the ppc desktop one is over sized, but the alternate stays in size... This is how fine the balancing act is.02:14
belkinsaAh, I see.02:15
phillwif you cannot boot from usb or dvd, we're the only member of the family left.02:16
phillwHilikus: how goes the install now?02:17
Hilikusit finished02:37
phillwwifi working?02:39
phillwHilikus: ^^02:39
Hilikusno wifi03:21
sydneyHilikus: whats wrong?03:23
Hilikusno, i mean, i don't have a wifi adapter03:23
ianorlinHilikus: can you pastebin lspci03:23
Hilikusmy VM doesn't have a wifi adapter, everything is fine03:33
Hilikusthank you03:33
rena_Hello. I installed lubuntu recently, and I'm getting a segfault when I try to open "Desktop Pager" Settings from right click menu on the bottom panel.03:48
ianorlinthat is known bug rena_03:49
ianorlinyou can do the same things by opening openbox configuration manager or by running obconf from terminal or run dialog03:50
rena_Oops, my bad. Thank you for clarifying that. I did get to its options from the Preferences menu -> Desktop Preferences, but I didn't find a way to change how the desktops appear on the panel. So I thought maybe the options displayed by right clicking would be different from the ones in the preferences menu.03:53
ianorlinthere is also another pager you use called wnckpager that will show a maximized window with its icon03:53
ianorlinincluded in base install03:54
rena_I was trying to get the small desktop icons in the panel to look more like the way they look in KDE, with small little screen like images, so they would take less space in the panel. It's an old laptop with max resolution of 1024x768 :p03:55
ianorlinon the pager?03:55
rena_Yes. Would like to have the pager to look the way it looks on kde panel. http://www.databook.bz/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/AnnotatedKubuntuKDE4Panel01.png03:59
ianorlinit would still be horizontal though :(04:00
ianorlinI don't know how to get them vertical on lxde04:00
rena_Thank you :) Anyway, this pager, on lubuntu, is not strange at all to me. I used to see it when I worked with Ubuntu. I find Lubuntu much friendlier of my old machine. It's not so heavy. I decided to give it a try after my Ubuntu install got haywire04:14
Shawn286Howdy05:27
Shawn286has there been a screen power off fix yet?05:28
Shawn286*releasexd05:28
ofdmI have a Lubuntu minimal install and I would like to change the theme of GTK applications. What tool do I need?07:43
Shawn286ofdm do you have the screen timeout problem?08:00
garethrandallHow do I make a donation to Lubuntu? There is an old forum post (2012) suggesting that this isn't possible. Has this situation changed?09:20
ofdmWhere do I change the gtk theme?09:43
ofdmI've tried /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf09:45
ofdmNo effect09:45
ec2-userHow do I donate to Lubuntu?10:38
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suncokretis there somebody?13:30
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garethrandallHow do I donate to lubuntu? (E.g. paypal donation)13:31
Joshunhi13:33
Joshunis there a fix for the ugly wifi icon in lubuntu?13:33
garethrandallWhich one do you mean, and do you have a better alternative?13:35
suncokretdoes somebody use double commander?13:35
Joshungarethrandall: in 14.04, by default the wifi icon was broken. a fix was released but it is the gnome fallback icon13:39
Joshunis there a pastebin equiv for screenshots?13:40
Joshunscreenshot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Ozbfz1uwsqQk1RTzVPc2I3cVk/edit?usp=sharing13:42
Joshunnm-applet-Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon13:42
garethrandall~/win 113:43
Joshunmaybe adding the lubuntu daily artwork ppa will fix it13:44
garethrandallI installed a lubuntu 14.04 last night with "update during install" and the wireless icon I see is the "rising steps" icon in the graphic you've posted.13:47
JoshunIts no big deal, just looks weird; the rest of the icons are great13:48
JoshunI'll log out after having upgraded from the artwork ppa and see if it is fixed13:49
Joshunyes, after adding the artwork ppa and upgrading the icon looks as it should, much better13:50
garethrandallActually I've just spotted the pastebin in the topic text to this channel: "Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com"13:51
Joshundoes it do images?13:51
garethrandallI don't know. Never tried it :-)13:51
Joshunlooks like it only does plain text13:52
Joshunthe gnome fallback icons are painful, I wonder who made them in the first place13:52
ay4huasc4hello; everyone;15:03
ay4huasc4I am using lubuntu 14.04; i would like to know if there is a configuration file for the location of icons on the Desktop15:04
ay4huasc4I am trying to force the location of these icons so that they won't appear on top left anymore, but instead elsewhere15:05
ay4huasc4i could just click on them, and change their positions graphically, but I need to do it on large number of computers15:05
ay4huasc4I have created configuration files such as ~/.Desktop/firefox.desktop; but i don't see in these files options to force their location on the Desktop15:12
ay4huasc4many thanks for your help15:12
krytarikay4huasc4: Appears to be "~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/desktop-items-0.conf". :)15:21
ay4huasc4krytarik; thank you soo much15:24
ay4huasc4I can see that now; many thanks :)15:24
krytarikWelcome. :)15:24
garethrandallDoes anyone know how to donate to lubuntu? E.g. paypal donations.16:01
suncokretRafael, are you here?16:13
rafaellagunayes!!16:21
suncokrethow are you?16:21
rafaellagunaI'm here, suncokret16:21
rafaellagunafine :)16:21
rafaellagunaand you?16:21
suncokretfine16:22
suncokretso16:22
suncokreti try to solve problem16:22
suncokretand i solve it16:22
suncokretbut16:22
suncokretonly way to see my colors in aplications which use only gtk3 is16:22
suncokretto edit some theme16:23
suncokretmanualy16:23
rafaellagunawhy? are you using lxappearance?16:23
suncokretso i try to edit lubuntu theme16:23
suncokreton which you worked16:24
suncokreti edited gtk316:24
suncokretfile16:24
suncokretgtk.css16:24
suncokretand now synaptic show my colors16:25
suncokretcustom colors in lxappearance work only for gtk216:25
suncokreti think16:25
suncokret:)16:25
suncokretgtk3 don't accept custom colors16:25
suncokret<rafaellaguna> why? are you using lxappearance?16:26
suncokretand i tried that again16:26
rafaellagunaI'm afraid yes16:26
suncokretgksudo or gksu lxappearance16:26
suncokretand system block16:26
rafaellagunaI tested on mine, and we have less and less customization options with GTK in general16:26
rafaellagunait's not a bug, it's really a non implemented function in gtk3, and as far as I know (spoke with gtk team) they don't want to add it16:27
suncokretyou mean function to use custom colors?16:28
rafaellagunayes, in newer gtk4 libraries, being prepared, less options too16:28
rafaellagunathat's not our fault, we only use that widget engine in our desktops16:28
suncokretbut someone can make editor for gtk3 themes16:29
suncokretgtk2 and gtk316:29
suncokretthat would be nice16:29
rafaellagunano, gtk engines change so fast there's no point on doing a GUI that will become obsolete in days16:29
rafaellagunaof course it'll be nice, but trust me, I was looking for it as I design themes :)16:30
rafaellagunaanyway I must advice you about editing the themes at /usr/share/themes16:30
suncokreti don't know why 99% of themes have white background colors16:30
rafaellagunaon next system upgrade your changes will be lost16:30
suncokreti will do this16:31
suncokreti will find themes with nice buttons and buton colors16:31
rafaellagunait's better to have a copy on your ~/.themes/ and edit there, you should download Box (the standalone version of Lubuntu theme) and modify it16:31
suncokretand16:32
suncokreti will just edit16:32
suncokretgtk.css16:32
suncokret* default color scheme *16:32
rafaellagunait's an idea :)16:32
suncokretthis 6 parameters are parematers which lxde color customization do16:33
rafaellagunafor gtk2 only, but yes16:33
suncokretno16:33
suncokretyes16:33
suncokretfor gtk2 only16:33
suncokretbut i just manualy change in gtk3 that parameters16:33
suncokretmy custom numbers from colors16:34
suncokretand then i will save that my custom themes16:34
suncokretand i can add it on any system16:34
suncokretin16:34
suncokret... \home\.themes16:34
suncokretit work16:34
rafaellagunaexactly, that will work16:35
suncokretand lxde custom colors work on most other programs16:35
suncokretwhich don't need gtk316:35
suncokretand16:35
rafaellagunaso, you have it customized to your taste now?16:35
suncokretif you use xfce16:35
rafaellagunaremember that all apps are migrating to gtk3 or QT16:35
suncokretyou can edit gtk2 too16:36
suncokretin this way16:36
suncokretbecause xfce don't have color customization16:36
rafaellagunathey have, but using an external aoo16:36
suncokreti tried to install xfce in lubuntu16:36
suncokretand i edit file16:36
suncokretgtkrc16:37
rafaellagunaxfce4-theme-editor16:37
suncokretin gtk216:37
suncokretand it work16:37
suncokretyes16:37
suncokretbut is very easy to edit this files manualy16:37
suncokretand then you have your own theme16:37
suncokretwith your colors16:37
suncokret:)16:37
rafaellagunayes, editing the top part is easy :D16:37
rafaellagunawell, not really your theme, but yes, you have a colorization16:37
suncokretyes16:38
suncokreti have just my editing in that theme16:38
suncokretand other people made it16:38
suncokretor modify it before me16:38
suncokret:)16:38
suncokretso16:39
rafaellagunayes, you can even upload your modifications to a website, remember the gpl license ;)16:39
suncokretyes16:39
suncokretso if i edit gtk2 and gtk3 colors in theme16:39
suncokretthen i can use that themes in xfce, cinnamon?16:39
suncokretmate16:39
suncokret?16:39
rafaellagunayes, mate, xfce and lxde use same gtk themes (but not for window borders and other things like panels, etc) so you can use it16:41
rafaellagunaand there it is, you found the solution! :D16:42
suncokretif you work on themes, why you don't try to make backgrounds which is better for eyes16:42
suncokreti use gray or blue colors for backgrounds16:42
suncokretfor example16:43
suncokret170 160 17016:43
suncokretthat is gray color which is very nice for eyes16:43
suncokretor blue16:43
suncokret90 150 18016:43
suncokreti like this colors16:43
suncokretwhite is really very bad and danger for eyes16:43
rafaellagunaI have my reasons to use white (almost) on backgrounds combined with the blue of the desktop16:43
suncokretbut we should think to save our eyes16:44
rafaellagunano so bad, trust me, it's worst to use a purple with bevels, or red with green16:44
suncokretyes16:44
rafaellagunabut not all eyes are similar, you have to find one that matches16:44
suncokretbut try to watch white color16:44
suncokretand then16:44
rafaellagunaif you are going to keep in front of the computer you need a white base, like a paper16:45
suncokretswitch to this colors which i give you numbers16:45
suncokret:)16:45
suncokretand you will se great diference16:45
suncokretsee16:45
rafaellagunaI did, I tested hundreds of colours. have you noticed that it's not totally white?16:46
suncokretyes16:46
suncokretsome are totaly16:46
suncokretand some are not16:46
suncokretso16:46
suncokretthank you for help me to solve problem16:46
suncokretnow i have other problem16:46
rafaellagunatell me16:46
suncokreti don't know is it on all ubuntu 14.0416:47
suncokretor just lubuntu16:47
rafaellaguna?16:47
suncokretprogram double commander gtk16:47
suncokrethave problems16:47
suncokretfor example16:47
suncokretwhen you choose f7 to make new folder16:47
suncokretyou can't type nothing16:48
suncokretsometimes you can, but it type double characters16:48
suncokretkeyboard just block in that option16:48
suncokretin 13.04 that work normal16:48
rafaellagunaI'm testing doublecmd now...16:49
suncokrettry gtk16:49
suncokretthere is qt also16:49
suncokretand it have problem in 13.04 and 14.0416:49
suncokretsame problem16:49
rafaellagunaI can type, sorry16:49
rafaellagunabut remind that doublecmd is very very old16:49
suncokretwhen you want to make new folder16:49
rafaellagunayou have doubled-window managers out there16:50
suncokretyou can type but you can't type space16:50
suncokretno16:50
suncokreti tried16:50
suncokretdouble commander is best16:50
suncokretmost similar to total commander16:50
rafaellagunahave you tried pcmanfm? :D16:50
rafaellagunapress F316:50
suncokreti need file manager which is most similar to total comander16:51
suncokretand that is double comander16:51
suncokret:)16:51
suncokretand it is not old16:51
rafaellagunayes, total comander is a clone of norton comander itself16:51
suncokretnew version16:51
suncokretis from may16:51
suncokret.16:51
suncokretwhich version you test?16:52
suncokret0.5.10-116:52
suncokret?16:52
rafaellagunathere's sunflower, gnome-comander, midnight-comander, krusader, emelfm...16:52
rafaellagunabut I insist, pcmanfm has two panes if you want16:52
suncokreti didn't try sunflower and emelfm16:52
suncokretand i try gnome-comander, midnight-comander, krusader16:53
suncokretkrusader is best of this16:53
suncokretbut double commander is better than crusader16:53
suncokretmore similar to total comander16:53
suncokretand total commander is best file manager16:53
suncokretwhich i ever use16:53
suncokret:)16:53
phillwpossibly a topic suited for #lubuntu-offtopic?16:53
rafaellagunathey're all good, of in console mc16:53
rafaellagunayes, we should debate this there, to see what people use16:54
rafaellagunabut I keep pcamnfm :)16:54
suncokreti recomend everyone to try double commander16:54
rafaellagunasuncokret, I have to leave now, I'll be here later to attend16:54
suncokreti go too16:55
suncokretthank for help16:55
rafaellagunayou're welcome, suncokret16:55
suncokretso, phill is here too16:55
suncokretfirst day when i came here he told me to wait for you16:55
rafaellaguna^^16:56
rafaellagunabye16:56
srofithow to invoke make command from scratch17:32
srofit?17:32
wxlsrofit: as in scratch the programming language or what?17:33
srofitno like as in my make command was truncated by a freeze, and some of the files were cut off17:33
wxlwell if make was aborted, you can just make again17:33
srofitits saying file not recognized: file truncated17:34
srofitso i assume that just means some of the outfiles were like half made when it froze17:34
srofitbut searching for things about the make command is really hard on google, as it is a really common word17:35
wxlwon't `make clean` wipe out all the already built files?17:35
srofiti saw that somewhere, my computer doesnt recognize it17:35
srofitit says make: *** No rule to make target 'clean'. Stop.17:35
wxlwhat do you mean doesn't recognize it?17:35
wxloh17:35
srofithmm actually jk that might have been my error for invoking it on the wrong area17:36
srofitits doing something now17:37
srofitlol downloading from source for arm architecture is a bitch17:37
srofitooh17:38
srofitshouldnt have sworn17:38
wxlwell at least you realized it17:40
wxlinstalling from source is for the hardcore17:40
wxlthat's how i started using linux but i'm one of the rare few anymore17:40
wxland honestly package management is a blessing17:40
wxlanywho arm makes like "interesting" :)17:41
wxls/like/life/17:41
wxlbtw you can check the Makefile for other targets17:41
wxlclean isn't always in there17:41
srofitnah it worked17:41
wxli'm just providing general info for you for the future17:42
srofitk17:42
wxlsaying `make clean` is like saying "if there's an option specified by the developer in the Makefile called clean, run that"17:42
srofithmm17:42
wxlit's not an actual command for make17:42
srofitthat makes a lot of sense17:42
geniiThere's also dist and dist-clean usually.17:42
wxltechnically one could write the Makefile so that `make gobbledeegook` would be the appropriate thing to do17:43
wxlor `make me_a_sandwich`17:43
wxlfor that matter you often see `make clean install` which runs the clean and the install options so you could have `make me a sandwich` with three options :)17:45
srofityeah im looking through a makefile now17:45
wxlwelcome to the darkside :)17:45
geniiwxl: All this sandwich talk makes me think of the xkcd cartoon17:46
* wxl nods17:46
srofitat least this ones really long17:46
srofityeah i used to think that that guy was really good at linux or whatever,17:46
srofitbut his jokes be basic17:46
wxlhis crypto jokes are rad17:46
wxland any sort of dataviz17:47
srofitfair17:48
tewardIs there a way to terminate network-manager or whatever GUI tool Lubuntu 14.04 ships with and force configuration via /etc/network/interfaces?21:39
ianorlinyou could set network to none in default apps for lxsession and not add it to autostart21:40
tewardianorlin, considering i come from Ubuntu and/or CLI, where's the lxsession configs?21:41
ianorlin~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf21:43
tewardianorlin, so it loads per user rather than globally?21:43
ianorlinyes it is per user config in home for default apps21:45
tewardianorlin, so would that be network_gui/command=none ?21:46
tewardor just leave it blank?  (looks like its left blank by default o.o)21:46
ianorlinI think so21:46
tewardwe'll see, /etc/network/interfaces is coded to static so we'll see what IP we get.21:47
tewardianorlin, i wonder if /etc/network/interfaces will break Lubuntu... what does LUbuntu ship with to manage its networking?21:49
tewardis it network-manager?21:49
tewardwow i feel silly it wasnt working because i mistyped the gateway and broadcast addys >.>21:52
tewardthanks ianorlin21:52
phillwbeen there, done that one ... Even had a row with my server provider over it!21:52

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