[01:51] <Hilikus> i'm trying to install lubuntu but qwhen it asks where i am, it suggests the wrong city. when i type montreal, the continue and back buttons get disabled
[01:51] <Hilikus> so i can't continue the installation
[01:52] <Hilikus> this should be pretty obvious. what am i missing?
[01:53] <phillw> Hilikus: re-start the boot and run the self test on the boot option
[01:53] <Hilikus> self test on the disk?
[01:54] <phillw> when the usb / cd / dvd boots you have an option to self test. Let's get that one done so we know we have a good image.
[01:54] <phillw> takes ~ 5 mns... saves hours :)
[01:55] <Hilikus> i did that
[01:55] <Hilikus> it was pretty fast, maybe 10 seconds
[01:55] <Hilikus> no errirs
[01:55] <Hilikus> i'll do it again
[01:55] <phillw> what are you installing from?
[01:56] <Hilikus> iso
[01:56] <Hilikus> no errors found, again
[01:56] <phillw> no... usb / cd / dvd ?
[01:57] <Hilikus> cd i guess
[01:57] <Hilikus> didn't lnow there where others
[01:57] <phillw> okies, what version of lubuntu have you got?
[01:57] <Hilikus> latests
[01:58] <phillw> there are lots of 'latest' versions
[01:58] <Hilikus> really??
[01:59] <phillw> yup, we support a lot of different systems. So ensuring you have the correct install disc for your computer is important.
[01:59] <Hilikus> maybe i don't have the right latest. i just downloaded it from the website, 14.04  64bit
[01:59] <phillw> Hilikus: do you have a 32 BIT machine?
[01:59] <Hilikus> no
[02:00] <phillw> which 64 bit version did you download?
[02:00] <Hilikus> the one on the main page. what others are there?
[02:01] <Hilikus> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/lubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:02] <phillw> Hilikus: in that case, you do not type... you use your mouse / keypad to point to the area of the world near you :)
[02:02] <Hilikus> lol. really??
[02:02] <phillw> yup.. it it is GUI version (I use alternate).
[02:03] <phillw> once near your area, you can expand the map to choose closer and closer
[02:05] <Hilikus> how do i expand?
[02:07] <phillw> Hilikus: give me one moment, I'm just seeing if a canadian is on line. she will be far more used to this than me :)
[02:07] <Hilikus> wow, that map thing is pretty bad. if i click near miami, it says new york
[02:08] <phillw> belkinsa: please meat Hilikus
[02:08] <belkinsa> WHo was the one that needed the time zome help?
[02:08] <phillw> he's in montreal and is having a problem choosing the TZ
[02:08] <belkinsa> Hilikus, nice to meet you.  The time zone is UTC - 5 hours, so Eastern Time Zone with Daylight Saving on.
[02:08] <Hilikus> no matter where i click, it only shows Toronto, or new york
[02:09] <Hilikus> it doesn't let me select that
[02:09] <belkinsa> New York = your place.
[02:09] <Hilikus> i have to choose a city
[02:09] <Hilikus> i know for timezone it's the same, but it says where are you, i am not in NY
[02:09] <belkinsa> I'm on Ohio but I had to choose NY
[02:10] <belkinsa> It's how the installer was built.
[02:10] <belkinsa> in*
[02:10] <Hilikus> and if i type montreal, it does appear in the list but then the continue and back buttons get disabled
[02:10] <belkinsa> Hmmm, seems to be a bug.
[02:12] <phillw> Hilikus: it may have been removed as part of the on going struggle to have lubuntu be the only member of the family to CD sized... Hard decisions have had to be made. such things can be added back once the install in finished
[02:12] <belkinsa> Or that.
[02:14] <phillw> belkinsa: it may be a bug, but I know that Julien is struggling to keep lubuntu CD sized. e.g. the ppc desktop one is over sized, but the alternate stays in size... This is how fine the balancing act is.
[02:15] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[02:16] <phillw> if you cannot boot from usb or dvd, we're the only member of the family left.
[02:17] <phillw> Hilikus: how goes the install now?
[02:37] <Hilikus> it finished
[02:39] <phillw> wifi working?
[02:39] <phillw> Hilikus: ^^
[03:21] <Hilikus> no wifi
[03:23] <sydney> Hilikus: whats wrong?
[03:23] <Hilikus> no, i mean, i don't have a wifi adapter
[03:23] <ianorlin> Hilikus: can you pastebin lspci
[03:33] <Hilikus> my VM doesn't have a wifi adapter, everything is fine
[03:33] <Hilikus> thank you
[03:48] <rena_> Hello. I installed lubuntu recently, and I'm getting a segfault when I try to open "Desktop Pager" Settings from right click menu on the bottom panel.
[03:49] <ianorlin> that is known bug rena_
[03:50] <ianorlin> you can do the same things by opening openbox configuration manager or by running obconf from terminal or run dialog
[03:53] <rena_> Oops, my bad. Thank you for clarifying that. I did get to its options from the Preferences menu -> Desktop Preferences, but I didn't find a way to change how the desktops appear on the panel. So I thought maybe the options displayed by right clicking would be different from the ones in the preferences menu.
[03:53] <ianorlin> there is also another pager you use called wnckpager that will show a maximized window with its icon
[03:54] <ianorlin> included in base install
[03:55] <rena_> I was trying to get the small desktop icons in the panel to look more like the way they look in KDE, with small little screen like images, so they would take less space in the panel. It's an old laptop with max resolution of 1024x768 :p
[03:55] <ianorlin> on the pager?
[03:59] <rena_> Yes. Would like to have the pager to look the way it looks on kde panel. http://www.databook.bz/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/AnnotatedKubuntuKDE4Panel01.png
[04:00] <ianorlin> it would still be horizontal though :(
[04:00] <ianorlin> I don't know how to get them vertical on lxde
[04:14] <rena_> Thank you :) Anyway, this pager, on lubuntu, is not strange at all to me. I used to see it when I worked with Ubuntu. I find Lubuntu much friendlier of my old machine. It's not so heavy. I decided to give it a try after my Ubuntu install got haywire
[05:27] <Shawn286> Howdy
[05:28] <Shawn286> has there been a screen power off fix yet?
[05:28] <Shawn286> *releasexd
[07:43] <ofdm> I have a Lubuntu minimal install and I would like to change the theme of GTK applications. What tool do I need?
[08:00] <Shawn286> ofdm do you have the screen timeout problem?
[09:20] <garethrandall> How do I make a donation to Lubuntu? There is an old forum post (2012) suggesting that this isn't possible. Has this situation changed?
[09:43] <ofdm> Where do I change the gtk theme?
[09:45] <ofdm> I've tried /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[09:45] <ofdm> No effect
[10:38] <ec2-user> How do I donate to Lubuntu?
[13:30] <suncokret> is there somebody?
[13:31] <garethrandall> How do I donate to lubuntu? (E.g. paypal donation)
[13:33] <Joshun> hi
[13:33] <Joshun> is there a fix for the ugly wifi icon in lubuntu?
[13:35] <garethrandall> Which one do you mean, and do you have a better alternative?
[13:35] <suncokret> does somebody use double commander?
[13:39] <Joshun> garethrandall: in 14.04, by default the wifi icon was broken. a fix was released but it is the gnome fallback icon
[13:40] <Joshun> is there a pastebin equiv for screenshots?
[13:42] <Joshun> screenshot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Ozbfz1uwsqQk1RTzVPc2I3cVk/edit?usp=sharing
[13:42] <Joshun> nm-applet-Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon
[13:43] <garethrandall> ~/win 1
[13:44] <Joshun> maybe adding the lubuntu daily artwork ppa will fix it
[13:47] <garethrandall> I installed a lubuntu 14.04 last night with "update during install" and the wireless icon I see is the "rising steps" icon in the graphic you've posted.
[13:48] <Joshun> Its no big deal, just looks weird; the rest of the icons are great
[13:49] <Joshun> I'll log out after having upgraded from the artwork ppa and see if it is fixed
[13:50] <Joshun> yes, after adding the artwork ppa and upgrading the icon looks as it should, much better
[13:51] <garethrandall> Actually I've just spotted the pastebin in the topic text to this channel: "Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com"
[13:51] <Joshun> does it do images?
[13:51] <garethrandall> I don't know. Never tried it :-)
[13:52] <Joshun> looks like it only does plain text
[13:52] <Joshun> the gnome fallback icons are painful, I wonder who made them in the first place
[15:03] <ay4huasc4> hello; everyone;
[15:04] <ay4huasc4> I am using lubuntu 14.04; i would like to know if there is a configuration file for the location of icons on the Desktop
[15:05] <ay4huasc4> I am trying to force the location of these icons so that they won't appear on top left anymore, but instead elsewhere
[15:05] <ay4huasc4> i could just click on them, and change their positions graphically, but I need to do it on large number of computers
[15:12] <ay4huasc4> I have created configuration files such as ~/.Desktop/firefox.desktop; but i don't see in these files options to force their location on the Desktop
[15:12] <ay4huasc4> many thanks for your help
[15:21] <krytarik> ay4huasc4: Appears to be "~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/desktop-items-0.conf". :)
[15:24] <ay4huasc4> krytarik; thank you soo much
[15:24] <ay4huasc4> I can see that now; many thanks :)
[15:24] <krytarik> Welcome. :)
[16:01] <garethrandall> Does anyone know how to donate to lubuntu? E.g. paypal donations.
[16:13] <suncokret> Rafael, are you here?
[16:21] <rafaellaguna> yes!!
[16:21] <suncokret> how are you?
[16:21] <rafaellaguna> I'm here, suncokret
[16:21] <rafaellaguna> fine :)
[16:21] <rafaellaguna> and you?
[16:22] <suncokret> fine
[16:22] <suncokret> so
[16:22] <suncokret> i try to solve problem
[16:22] <suncokret> and i solve it
[16:22] <suncokret> but
[16:22] <suncokret> only way to see my colors in aplications which use only gtk3 is
[16:23] <suncokret> to edit some theme
[16:23] <suncokret> manualy
[16:23] <rafaellaguna> why? are you using lxappearance?
[16:23] <suncokret> so i try to edit lubuntu theme
[16:24] <suncokret> on which you worked
[16:24] <suncokret> i edited gtk3
[16:24] <suncokret> file
[16:24] <suncokret> gtk.css
[16:25] <suncokret> and now synaptic show my colors
[16:25] <suncokret> custom colors in lxappearance work only for gtk2
[16:25] <suncokret> i think
[16:25] <suncokret> :)
[16:25] <suncokret> gtk3 don't accept custom colors
 why? are you using lxappearance?
[16:26] <suncokret> and i tried that again
[16:26] <rafaellaguna> I'm afraid yes
[16:26] <suncokret> gksudo or gksu lxappearance
[16:26] <suncokret> and system block
[16:26] <rafaellaguna> I tested on mine, and we have less and less customization options with GTK in general
[16:27] <rafaellaguna> it's not a bug, it's really a non implemented function in gtk3, and as far as I know (spoke with gtk team) they don't want to add it
[16:28] <suncokret> you mean function to use custom colors?
[16:28] <rafaellaguna> yes, in newer gtk4 libraries, being prepared, less options too
[16:28] <rafaellaguna> that's not our fault, we only use that widget engine in our desktops
[16:29] <suncokret> but someone can make editor for gtk3 themes
[16:29] <suncokret> gtk2 and gtk3
[16:29] <suncokret> that would be nice
[16:29] <rafaellaguna> no, gtk engines change so fast there's no point on doing a GUI that will become obsolete in days
[16:30] <rafaellaguna> of course it'll be nice, but trust me, I was looking for it as I design themes :)
[16:30] <rafaellaguna> anyway I must advice you about editing the themes at /usr/share/themes
[16:30] <suncokret> i don't know why 99% of themes have white background colors
[16:30] <rafaellaguna> on next system upgrade your changes will be lost
[16:31] <suncokret> i will do this
[16:31] <suncokret> i will find themes with nice buttons and buton colors
[16:31] <rafaellaguna> it's better to have a copy on your ~/.themes/ and edit there, you should download Box (the standalone version of Lubuntu theme) and modify it
[16:32] <suncokret> and
[16:32] <suncokret> i will just edit
[16:32] <suncokret> gtk.css
[16:32] <suncokret> * default color scheme *
[16:32] <rafaellaguna> it's an idea :)
[16:33] <suncokret> this 6 parameters are parematers which lxde color customization do
[16:33] <rafaellaguna> for gtk2 only, but yes
[16:33] <suncokret> no
[16:33] <suncokret> yes
[16:33] <suncokret> for gtk2 only
[16:33] <suncokret> but i just manualy change in gtk3 that parameters
[16:34] <suncokret> my custom numbers from colors
[16:34] <suncokret> and then i will save that my custom themes
[16:34] <suncokret> and i can add it on any system
[16:34] <suncokret> in
[16:34] <suncokret> ... \home\.themes
[16:34] <suncokret> it work
[16:35] <rafaellaguna> exactly, that will work
[16:35] <suncokret> and lxde custom colors work on most other programs
[16:35] <suncokret> which don't need gtk3
[16:35] <suncokret> and
[16:35] <rafaellaguna> so, you have it customized to your taste now?
[16:35] <suncokret> if you use xfce
[16:35] <rafaellaguna> remember that all apps are migrating to gtk3 or QT
[16:36] <suncokret> you can edit gtk2 too
[16:36] <suncokret> in this way
[16:36] <suncokret> because xfce don't have color customization
[16:36] <rafaellaguna> they have, but using an external aoo
[16:36] <suncokret> i tried to install xfce in lubuntu
[16:36] <suncokret> and i edit file
[16:37] <suncokret> gtkrc
[16:37] <rafaellaguna> xfce4-theme-editor
[16:37] <suncokret> in gtk2
[16:37] <suncokret> and it work
[16:37] <suncokret> yes
[16:37] <suncokret> but is very easy to edit this files manualy
[16:37] <suncokret> and then you have your own theme
[16:37] <suncokret> with your colors
[16:37] <suncokret> :)
[16:37] <rafaellaguna> yes, editing the top part is easy :D
[16:37] <rafaellaguna> well, not really your theme, but yes, you have a colorization
[16:38] <suncokret> yes
[16:38] <suncokret> i have just my editing in that theme
[16:38] <suncokret> and other people made it
[16:38] <suncokret> or modify it before me
[16:38] <suncokret> :)
[16:39] <suncokret> so
[16:39] <rafaellaguna> yes, you can even upload your modifications to a website, remember the gpl license ;)
[16:39] <suncokret> yes
[16:39] <suncokret> so if i edit gtk2 and gtk3 colors in theme
[16:39] <suncokret> then i can use that themes in xfce, cinnamon?
[16:39] <suncokret> mate
[16:39] <suncokret> ?
[16:41] <rafaellaguna> yes, mate, xfce and lxde use same gtk themes (but not for window borders and other things like panels, etc) so you can use it
[16:42] <rafaellaguna> and there it is, you found the solution! :D
[16:42] <suncokret> if you work on themes, why you don't try to make backgrounds which is better for eyes
[16:42] <suncokret> i use gray or blue colors for backgrounds
[16:43] <suncokret> for example
[16:43] <suncokret> 170 160 170
[16:43] <suncokret> that is gray color which is very nice for eyes
[16:43] <suncokret> or blue
[16:43] <suncokret> 90 150 180
[16:43] <suncokret> i like this colors
[16:43] <suncokret> white is really very bad and danger for eyes
[16:43] <rafaellaguna> I have my reasons to use white (almost) on backgrounds combined with the blue of the desktop
[16:44] <suncokret> but we should think to save our eyes
[16:44] <rafaellaguna> no so bad, trust me, it's worst to use a purple with bevels, or red with green
[16:44] <suncokret> yes
[16:44] <rafaellaguna> but not all eyes are similar, you have to find one that matches
[16:44] <suncokret> but try to watch white color
[16:44] <suncokret> and then
[16:45] <rafaellaguna> if you are going to keep in front of the computer you need a white base, like a paper
[16:45] <suncokret> switch to this colors which i give you numbers
[16:45] <suncokret> :)
[16:45] <suncokret> and you will se great diference
[16:45] <suncokret> see
[16:46] <rafaellaguna> I did, I tested hundreds of colours. have you noticed that it's not totally white?
[16:46] <suncokret> yes
[16:46] <suncokret> some are totaly
[16:46] <suncokret> and some are not
[16:46] <suncokret> so
[16:46] <suncokret> thank you for help me to solve problem
[16:46] <suncokret> now i have other problem
[16:46] <rafaellaguna> tell me
[16:47] <suncokret> i don't know is it on all ubuntu 14.04
[16:47] <suncokret> or just lubuntu
[16:47] <rafaellaguna> ?
[16:47] <suncokret> program double commander gtk
[16:47] <suncokret> have problems
[16:47] <suncokret> for example
[16:47] <suncokret> when you choose f7 to make new folder
[16:48] <suncokret> you can't type nothing
[16:48] <suncokret> sometimes you can, but it type double characters
[16:48] <suncokret> keyboard just block in that option
[16:48] <suncokret> in 13.04 that work normal
[16:49] <rafaellaguna> I'm testing doublecmd now...
[16:49] <suncokret> try gtk
[16:49] <suncokret> there is qt also
[16:49] <suncokret> and it have problem in 13.04 and 14.04
[16:49] <suncokret> same problem
[16:49] <rafaellaguna> I can type, sorry
[16:49] <rafaellaguna> but remind that doublecmd is very very old
[16:49] <suncokret> when you want to make new folder
[16:50] <rafaellaguna> you have doubled-window managers out there
[16:50] <suncokret> you can type but you can't type space
[16:50] <suncokret> no
[16:50] <suncokret> i tried
[16:50] <suncokret> double commander is best
[16:50] <suncokret> most similar to total commander
[16:50] <rafaellaguna> have you tried pcmanfm? :D
[16:50] <rafaellaguna> press F3
[16:51] <suncokret> i need file manager which is most similar to total comander
[16:51] <suncokret> and that is double comander
[16:51] <suncokret> :)
[16:51] <suncokret> and it is not old
[16:51] <rafaellaguna> yes, total comander is a clone of norton comander itself
[16:51] <suncokret> new version
[16:51] <suncokret> is from may
[16:51] <suncokret> .
[16:52] <suncokret> which version you test?
[16:52] <suncokret> 0.5.10-1
[16:52] <suncokret> ?
[16:52] <rafaellaguna> there's sunflower, gnome-comander, midnight-comander, krusader, emelfm...
[16:52] <rafaellaguna> but I insist, pcmanfm has two panes if you want
[16:52] <suncokret> i didn't try sunflower and emelfm
[16:53] <suncokret> and i try gnome-comander, midnight-comander, krusader
[16:53] <suncokret> krusader is best of this
[16:53] <suncokret> but double commander is better than crusader
[16:53] <suncokret> more similar to total comander
[16:53] <suncokret> and total commander is best file manager
[16:53] <suncokret> which i ever use
[16:53] <suncokret> :)
[16:53] <phillw> possibly a topic suited for #lubuntu-offtopic?
[16:53] <rafaellaguna> they're all good, of in console mc
[16:54] <rafaellaguna> yes, we should debate this there, to see what people use
[16:54] <rafaellaguna> but I keep pcamnfm :)
[16:54] <suncokret> i recomend everyone to try double commander
[16:54] <rafaellaguna> suncokret, I have to leave now, I'll be here later to attend
[16:55] <suncokret> i go too
[16:55] <suncokret> thank for help
[16:55] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome, suncokret
[16:55] <suncokret> so, phill is here too
[16:55] <suncokret> first day when i came here he told me to wait for you
[16:56] <rafaellaguna> ^^
[16:56] <rafaellaguna> bye
[17:32] <srofit> how to invoke make command from scratch
[17:32] <srofit> ?
[17:33] <wxl> srofit: as in scratch the programming language or what?
[17:33] <srofit> no like as in my make command was truncated by a freeze, and some of the files were cut off
[17:33] <wxl> well if make was aborted, you can just make again
[17:34] <srofit> its saying file not recognized: file truncated
[17:34] <srofit> so i assume that just means some of the outfiles were like half made when it froze
[17:35] <srofit> but searching for things about the make command is really hard on google, as it is a really common word
[17:35] <wxl> won't `make clean` wipe out all the already built files?
[17:35] <srofit> i saw that somewhere, my computer doesnt recognize it
[17:35] <srofit> it says make: *** No rule to make target 'clean'. Stop.
[17:35] <wxl> what do you mean doesn't recognize it?
[17:35] <wxl> oh
[17:36] <srofit> hmm actually jk that might have been my error for invoking it on the wrong area
[17:37] <srofit> its doing something now
[17:37] <srofit> lol downloading from source for arm architecture is a bitch
[17:38] <srofit> ooh
[17:38] <srofit> shouldnt have sworn
[17:40] <wxl> well at least you realized it
[17:40] <wxl> installing from source is for the hardcore
[17:40] <wxl> that's how i started using linux but i'm one of the rare few anymore
[17:40] <wxl> and honestly package management is a blessing
[17:41] <wxl> anywho arm makes like "interesting" :)
[17:41] <wxl> s/like/life/
[17:41] <wxl> btw you can check the Makefile for other targets
[17:41] <wxl> clean isn't always in there
[17:41] <srofit> nah it worked
[17:42] <wxl> i'm just providing general info for you for the future
[17:42] <srofit> k
[17:42] <wxl> saying `make clean` is like saying "if there's an option specified by the developer in the Makefile called clean, run that"
[17:42] <srofit> hmm
[17:42] <wxl> it's not an actual command for make
[17:42] <srofit> that makes a lot of sense
[17:42] <genii> There's also dist and dist-clean usually.
[17:43] <wxl> technically one could write the Makefile so that `make gobbledeegook` would be the appropriate thing to do
[17:43] <wxl> or `make me_a_sandwich`
[17:45] <wxl> for that matter you often see `make clean install` which runs the clean and the install options so you could have `make me a sandwich` with three options :)
[17:45] <srofit> yeah im looking through a makefile now
[17:45] <wxl> welcome to the darkside :)
[17:46] <genii> wxl: All this sandwich talk makes me think of the xkcd cartoon
[17:46]  * wxl nods
[17:46] <srofit> at least this ones really long
[17:46] <srofit> yeah i used to think that that guy was really good at linux or whatever,
[17:46] <srofit> but his jokes be basic
[17:46] <wxl> his crypto jokes are rad
[17:47] <wxl> and any sort of dataviz
[17:48] <srofit> fair
[21:39] <teward> Is there a way to terminate network-manager or whatever GUI tool Lubuntu 14.04 ships with and force configuration via /etc/network/interfaces?
[21:40] <ianorlin> you could set network to none in default apps for lxsession and not add it to autostart
[21:41] <teward> ianorlin, considering i come from Ubuntu and/or CLI, where's the lxsession configs?
[21:43] <ianorlin> ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[21:43] <teward> ianorlin, so it loads per user rather than globally?
[21:45] <ianorlin> yes it is per user config in home for default apps
[21:46] <teward> ianorlin, so would that be network_gui/command=none ?
[21:46] <teward> or just leave it blank?  (looks like its left blank by default o.o)
[21:46] <ianorlin> I think so
[21:47] <teward> we'll see, /etc/network/interfaces is coded to static so we'll see what IP we get.
[21:49] <teward> ianorlin, i wonder if /etc/network/interfaces will break Lubuntu... what does LUbuntu ship with to manage its networking?
[21:49] <teward> is it network-manager?
[21:52] <teward> wow i feel silly it wasnt working because i mistyped the gateway and broadcast addys >.>
[21:52] <teward> thanks ianorlin
[21:52] <phillw> been there, done that one ... Even had a row with my server provider over it!