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mappshmm00:10
mappsahh cool daftykins that seems neat00:10
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mapps;]00:19
daftykinsmapps: sign up! :D it's free01:02
mappsdaftykins will do!03:32
Guest83844morning all06:06
mappsmorning06:06
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MooDooanother kick....sigh06:06
mapps:D06:06
mappssetup alt nick?06:06
MooDoonah can't be bothered with that lol06:07
mappslol06:08
mappsits like just nick/alt nick in mirc..not much effort;p06:08
Myrttimoin06:25
MyrttiMooDoo: funnily enough I'm actually hoping that my bot times out so I can file a bug report about it06:44
mappsMyrtti whats your bot for07:17
SuperMattmorning everyone07:31
SuperMattsleep well?07:31
MooDoomorning SuperMatt no :)07:32
SuperMattWas Thor grumbling where you were?07:32
MooDooSuperMatt: no, poorly son so I slept on the living room floor .... ouch achy achy :)07:35
diploSuperMatt, yup from 12 till 2am07:36
diploWas watching it for ages, amazing stuff07:36
SuperMattI didn't watch, but I listened07:38
foobarryis there an easy way to rip a tv series dvd into separate chapters without much manual work?08:10
foobarryi'm using handbrake atm08:11
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Mandela Day! :-D08:13
Myrttioooohhhhhhh, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p021syjx08:20
MooDooanyone use vmware on a hp microserver?08:20
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:20
MooDoohowdy brobostigon08:20
foobarryMooDoo: some people do.08:21
bigcalmMooDoo: no, but I am using virtualbox on mine08:21
brobostigonmorning MooDoo08:21
bigcalmIt doesn't really cope well with more than 0 virtual machines08:21
MooDoobigcalm: ok thanks, just looking at options for a home lab :)08:22
foobarryLXC?08:22
Myrttiwe're using kvm on ours and it runs several just fine08:22
Myrttiof course you need to take care not to allocate too much memory on each08:22
bigcalmMooDoo: a kvm set-up might work for you if you don't need it to be portable between platforms08:22
MooDooIt'll run windows and linux vm's08:23
bigcalmMooDoo: I have to do that on my i7 laptop as my microserver really can't cope08:24
bigcalmYou'll want to put some good resources into whatever box you end up with08:24
MooDoobigcalm: probably a self build :)08:24
foobarrythe handy thin gis esxi runs on a 2gb (or maybe 4gb ) usb stick08:25
bigcalmBuild a rack? ;)08:25
bigcalmSeperate your windows VMs and use KVM for the Linux ones08:25
foobarrybuy 5 microservers and paint them orange08:25
foobarryand run MAAS08:25
MooDoolol08:25
bigcalmHeh08:25
MooDooI'll just save up 7k and buy an orangebox :)08:26
bigcalmI've bitten the bullet and ordered a 500GB SSD for my laptop (to replace the 120GB one in it). VMs really do take up a lot of space08:26
popeyMorning08:27
MooDoomorning pio08:27
MooDoopopey:08:27
foobarryo/08:27
bigcalmSUp08:27
foobarryonly couple of hours sleep :(08:31
foobarrywifey was tossing and turning till 2am, then the thunder started for 4 hours08:31
foobarrysounded like wheely bin grand prix outside08:32
bigcalmI don't remember being woken by thunder. But the wind and rain were quite fun08:33
foobarrythere was crazy lightning at 2am08:34
bigcalmHad to close a window to stop the blinds from rattling. Not a nice thing when it's quite warm08:34
bigcalmLucky08:34
bigcalmWhere are you?08:34
foobarryn london08:34
bigcalmAh, far to south08:34
bigcalms/to/too08:34
MyrttiI slept like a baby, but only because I found my blackout eye blinds08:35
Myrttiand yes we do have blackout curtains too, but it doesn't help if you need to keep the window open to get the air circulating and the light escapes anyway08:37
MooDooblackout curtains....luxury, When I was a lad we had to work at mill and pay mill owner to work there....08:39
foobarrybaby is obsessed with scratching ht etouhcpa on my laptop08:39
foobarrytouchpad08:39
MooDoonew sensation for them, mine did that all the time on carpets, soft furnishings my beard etc08:44
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:45
Myrttioh man, that world book club episode was brilliant08:45
bigcalmJust realised that I didn't greet peeps when I woke up08:45
Myrttijust a reminder to everyone: you need to read Sofia's World by Jostein Gaarder.08:45
MooDoobigcalm: that's disgusting08:45
foobarryMyrtti: i did when i was about 2008:50
foobarryi felt its probably best for younger types08:50
Myrttifoobarry: I got three straight full marks on my three philosophy courses partially because of that book08:50
foobarrya mere bagatelle sophie08:50
foobarryand the solitaire mystery was more of hte same08:51
foobarryand alain de bottons rather pretentious books08:51
bigcalmNext week I will be replacing the SSDs in my workstation and laptop with much larger ones. What's the easiest way to move the OS and data over?09:03
Myrttirsync, if not dd09:03
bigcalmSo I need to find a machine with spare SATA ports and dd from one to the other09:04
* bigcalm looks over at his steamos machine09:04
bigcalmDoes dd work on a whole drive or do I have to specify partitions?09:05
bigcalmThat is, can I copy the whole of /dev/sdb to /dev/sdc ?09:06
diddledanmorning morning09:06
MartijnVdSbigcalm: it should work on a whole drive, if target >= destination09:06
bigcalmMartijnVdS: surely the other way around?09:06
MartijnVdSthough you may need to resize the partitions afterwards if the target is bigger09:06
MartijnVdSno, target has to be larger than the source, or equal in size09:07
bigcalmtarget and destination are confusing me here :)09:07
MartijnVdSso target >= source09:07
ali1234target and destination are the same thing lol09:07
* MartijnVdS facepalms09:07
MartijnVdSoops :)09:07
bigcalm:)09:07
foobarryany suggestions on my handbrake-cli problems?09:08
foobarrystruggling to episodic dvds to separate files without a tedious process in the GUI09:08
bigcalmWorkstation is getting 250GB to replace its 60GB. Laptop is getting 500GB to replace its 120GB. All should be well09:09
foobarryi have a thomas tank engine dvd with 26 Titles ,and a fireman sam with 1 title and 5 chapters09:09
Myrttiuf. thunder and lightning09:17
MartijnVdSvery very frightening?09:18
foobarryme09:18
MyrttiMartijnVdS: my rational self isn't too frightened but I still want to crawl under the duvet or better yet if SO were home, sit in a car09:19
popeybigcalm: I'd use gparted09:19
* MooDoo is petrified of thunder and lightning :(09:19
popeybigcalm: it has a "copy and paste" feature. boot off usb, plug both SATA drives in, copy/paste09:19
MartijnVdSit does? Awesomesauce09:20
bigcalmpopey: perfect, just what I need09:21
bigcalmpopey: ta09:21
popeyya09:21
popeythe only thing you'll need to do is install a bootloader, but thats easy09:21
bigcalmThat won't be taken across as well?09:22
popeyno09:22
bigcalmOh09:22
popeyi used rsync when I did this on my laptop09:22
bigcalmAn evening next week will be fun then09:27
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foobarrymy laptop is complaining about ripping dvds in this heat10:22
foobarrywonder how hot it is10:22
funkyHatIt's about a million degrees10:39
MooDooI knows your doing bad things lol10:40
Myrttihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyT58M2RqsU11:09
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GargoyleWhen installing a package that provides a service (in /etc/init.d - eg, MySQL) is it possible to have apt not automatically start it or is that down to how the package was build and configured?13:05
MSEMJEJMEHello13:06
mgdm_tGargoyle: maybe if you drop something in /etc/default first? That's normally where they're controlled from I think13:09
bigcalm...13:57
popey...13:57
nigelb,,,13:57
bigcalm···13:57
MooDoo'''13:57
foobarry...13:57
MooDoo\o/ /o\ C A :)13:58
ali1234popey: is euro truck simulator good?13:58
nigelb☃☃☃13:58
foobarryis there a good app for tagging mp4 files with id3 type info?13:58
foobarryi realise the terminology may be wrong there13:59
popeyali1234: its a bit dull13:59
popeyunsurprisingly13:59
ali1234how detailed are the maps?13:59
bigcalmWhat about ET2?13:59
popeythey're truncated13:59
MSEMJEJMEmusicbrainz picard13:59
popeynot completely accurate13:59
foobarryMSEMJEJME: that does video too?13:59
popeyali1234: btw my family like the cat pic ☻13:59
foobarryis there a freedb for vide too?13:59
MSEMJEJMEnot sure about video14:00
MSEMJEJMEit links to the music brainz database with something like a file hash you can submit new or alternative entries14:02
MSEMJEJMEalso has a shazam type analysis14:04
ali1234popey: do you know if they ever added oculus rift support to the linux version?14:05
ali1234looks like it only works with directx on windows14:05
bigcalmRead that as directhex14:05
bigcalm:|14:05
bigcalmI was wondering why it only worked for him14:06
popeydunno14:06
ali1234so far i only found 3 native games where it works14:07
ali1234out of 18114:07
diddledanwhy do people with no knowledge of technology and the internet insist on making decisions? http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-2833159814:10
awilkinsdiddledan, That's like legislating against someone because they are influential!14:50
awilkins"Hey, lots of people trust your opinion..... YOU MUST BE STOPPED!"14:50
awilkinsAlthough I wish someone would sue UKIP for having a lot of public visibility14:50
diddledanawilkins: exactly14:51
foobarryIn transitGoole service centre15:00
foobarry^^ does that mean my ebuyer purchase hasn't moved yet?15:01
diddledanfoobarry: sounds a bit ghostly to me15:01
popeysounds like it15:01
foobarryDELIVERY DELAYS: Due to the M1 closure at J14 & J15, and a subsequent accident on the diversion route, some of our trailers have been delayed on their way to our local service centres. We are expecting some delivery delays in the following postcodes: CM, CT, E, EN, IG, ME, N, RM, SS, TN.15:02
foobarrythats me then15:02
popeynice of them to update you15:02
foobarryvan drivers are back at the depot sucking on a lolly15:02
popeyfinally red arrows landing15:02
foobarryyes, although its the yodel page, i didn't get a emai or txt15:03
popeybeen loud for the last hour15:03
brunogirinpopey: red arrows might be the answer to foobarry's delivery problem15:03
foobarryi don;t think yodel actually picked it up form ebuyer yet15:03
popeyheh15:03
foobarry:(15:04
foobarryyou know handbrakes autocrop? does it only remove black borders?15:04
foobarryis such a noob at video rippage15:04
diddledanI haven't ever tried video ripping15:04
diddledanI would need a big thingy if I were to digitise my DVDs15:05
foobarrymost of our dvds are getting scratched badly15:05
diddledandoes handbrake utilise gpu-power?15:05
foobarryand all of them are offset by one. i.e. wallace and gromit has got the hobbit in , the hobbit case has fireman sam, etc15:05
foobarrygnu poewr, dunno about gpu15:05
foobarryi have a 200 node HPC cluster which i'd love to use :D15:06
foobarryprobably not fair use though15:06
diddledanlol15:06
foobarrysorry couldnt cure cancer this year because foobarry had some scratched dvds15:06
foobarryits prob more ethical to torrent dvds i own than waste HPC resource15:07
foobarryaaron swartz got done for less15:07
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54fDJKgjUrs15:10
popeyfound a cdr from 199815:11
popeyfull of windows stuff, emulators, roms and one book on linux ☻15:11
awilkinsI remember spending many hours downloading an N64 ROM of Ocarina of Time on a 56k modem15:12
awilkins128! MEGA! bytes!15:12
diddledanawilkins: how long did it take?15:12
awilkinsDays, on and off.15:12
diddledanlol15:12
diddledanI hated dialup because I used 0800 freeserve (and others) which had a 2hour cut-off15:13
foobarryunlimited i hope, rather than pay permin15:13
Myrttiungh. Air-source heat pump would be nice.15:13
awilkinsI had 2 dialup providers15:13
foobarryremember when freeserve became worth more than dixons on account of having a large bank of modems?15:13
directhexawilkins, zelda isn't 128MB15:13
awilkinsOne was ClaraNet15:14
awilkinsOne was this dodgy company that provided 0800 dialup (with a 1 hour cutoff) in exchange for your "dividends on the shares you hold"15:14
awilkinsThe owner peed off to Rio with all the money after a few months15:14
awilkinsBut that was a BARGAIN15:14
foobarry:S15:15
diddledanI remember using RedHotAnt for a while15:15
foobarrysounds rude15:15
diddledanand x-stream15:15
diddledan(also rude)15:16
diddledanx-stream didn't work under alternative operating systems tho because they'd cut you off if you weren't running their dialer which displayed a banner on your screen for advertising15:17
diddledanthe banner couldn't be hidden15:18
diddledanit just sat there cycling adverts while you were online15:18
awilkinsCouldn't be hidden.. without a piece of cardboard!15:18
diddledanlol15:18
awilkinsAnalog hole pwns you again!15:18
directhexremember GetRight?15:19
diddledandirecthex: do I ever15:19
directhexi think i might have a paid license to that15:20
diddledanwith the 2hour cut-off I needed it to maintain downloads across the barrier15:20
directhexyep15:21
directhexhalf-life patches were huge15:21
directhex45MB!15:21
diddledanI think I probably downloaded more back then than I do now15:22
diddledanbecause I can now15:22
diddledanso I don't feel the need to prove it15:22
diddledanlike boy-racers and their cars15:22
diddledanthe smaller the engine the more the boy racer behaves like a pr**k15:23
awilkinsHeh, GetRight...15:25
awilkinsWould even download multiple chunks from different servers at the same time15:25
awilkinsThere are still such things (like DownloadThemAll! )15:26
diddledanor.. getright15:26
diddledan(yes it still exists)15:26
awilkinsAnd of course, BitTorrent which is the logical next generation of "thing that downloads things from multiple servers and checks the integrity of chunks"15:26
diddledanit's still straight out of the 90s: http://getright.com/15:27
diddledanthey still claim windows95 support15:29
diddledanI read that as "we haven't updated the program since windows 95 was around"15:30
mapps6.2mb/s16:21
mappsyay16:21
diddledanmapps: whatchoo *loading?16:31
mappstv episodes16:45
mapps:D16:45
mappshemlock grov s1 in 720p16:45
diddledanwow, I've been silly-productive today18:33
daftykinsD:18:34
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/rpfqi4xz9nxgx5j/AACAxEkpRRGQQnM2Lruz1Sira18:34
daftykinstotally makes no sense but a clean seems to have stopped keys not working \o/18:34
diddledanhmm18:35
daftykinsdas keyboard were very nice, i email'd asking what was up with that - they offered to send me a free key cap puller and discount on buying a new keyboard despite being years out of warranty with my existing18:36
daftykinswell - only if i were in the US ;)18:36
gebbioneanyone using virginmedia uk here?18:37
daftykinsmight be quicker to just ask your next question18:38
mapps;]18:39
gebbionewell i m not sure i can set a dns server on my router from virgin18:39
gebbioneand it sounds annoying that my machines hostnames are not resolving in the network18:39
mappsoh18:40
gebbionei added the router as a dns server to the list on my machine but it is not working18:40
daftykinslocal hostnames have nothing to do with ISP DNS18:40
gebbionethats why i though adding the router to the list of the dns could have helped18:40
daftykinsso is your internet connectivity not working either?18:40
gebbioneit is while i chat with you18:41
gebbionethe problem is not external sites, is getting my local machines to respond by name rather than remembering ips18:41
daftykinswhat OSs are they all running?18:42
gebbioneubuntu, mac, winzoz and some other linux in some boxes like the nas18:42
daftykinsi gotta be honest - relying upon hostname is relying upon all kinds of junk18:44
daftykinsi use IPs explicitly. run things i want to host services on with static internal IPs outside the DHCP scope18:44
daftykinsgebbione: how have you been configuring your DNS IPs?18:45
gebbionein network connections ip4 just add DHCP addressess only18:46
gebbionethen list of dns18:46
daftykinsgood stuff18:47
mappshmm18:47
mappswhys my shoutcast server using old ip18:47
mappsargh18:47
gebbioneand added the original ones plus the router ip18:47
directhexdaftykins, they don't give you a cap puller anyway? corsair do18:47
daftykinsdirecthex: i've had this thing over 5 years :>18:47
daftykinstimes have changed a lot in keyboard land18:47
directhextrue, mechanical keyboards are mundane now18:49
directhexi can walk into pc world and have a choice of them18:49
daftykinsmust be novel to have retail options for tech :>18:50
mappswoo fixed18:51
mappsLD18:51
mapps:D18:51
diddledanfirst 5 minutes has an interesting amount of irony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJNxbpbHA-I19:06
daftykinsdiddledan: :D my my, kittens indeed19:12
popeyhttp://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=lightning;sess= getting closer19:42
* daftykins plays Jaws theme19:43
daftykinsi love a good storm over the channel19:44
foobarrywhat is the .ts video format? just a container?20:01
diddledanfoobarry: that's dvd container20:02
foobarryhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/3645/how-do-i-convert-ts-files-into-something-useful20:02
diddledanwhich has mpeg2 inside20:02
foobarryso no need to convert, hopefully plex et al will play this20:03
diddledanit is likely encrypted if it's off a commercial dvd20:03
diddledanin which case you'll need libdvdcss or some other way of decrypting it20:04
foobarryits a self made file form my pvr20:06
foobarrywow obama has gone quite grey in the last couple of years20:06
foobarrysky is a spooky colour right now20:07
foobarryplex forum confirms it should play20:08
popeylightning passing us by http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=lightning;sess=20:14
diddledanpopey: heading up the east of london?20:14
popeylooks that way20:14
diddledanboo20:14
diddledanI want lightning!20:14
diddledanwe had a corker the other night20:15
daftykinstransport stream afaik, for .ts20:15
diddledanit was about 500 yards away from my guess20:15
diddledanit was certianly almost instantaneous flash and boom20:15
diddledanand big badaboom20:15
daftykinswhat do you mean by commercial DVD? it shouldn't have .ts if it's an actual film DVD20:16
foobarrythink we just had lightning20:16
diddledandaftykins: sure it should20:16
foobarry...1...2...3...420:16
foobarrybaby's'room is 29.7 degrees20:16
daftykinsdiddledan: wat, thems VOBs20:16
diddledanouch20:16
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diddledandaftykins: oh yeah, you're right - the folder is video_ts20:17
diddledanthat's where I got confused20:17
daftykins:)20:17
* daftykins pats diddledan on the shoulder20:17
diddledanone ts isn't the same as another20:17
foobarryactually my pvr creates a .rec file20:17
foobarrywhich i copy over usb120:17
foobarrythen strip off first 60 bytes to make the .ts that it really is20:17
mgdm_tTS == Transport Stream == the same container MPEG2 is brodcast over the air on20:18
foobarryalso, i notice dvd often have title 1 24:45s20:20
foobarryand title2 24:44s20:20
foobarrybut they seem to be the same thing20:20
foobarrywhats that all about? which title to rip?20:20
daftykinsduplicate program chains are a method of copy protection20:21
daftykinsthere's no 100% certain way to say, you just have to try it20:21
foobarry:(20:21
diddledanwaa, my watch is batt flattery20:22
daftykinsbut titles with ARCCoS protection won't be readable without shim software like AnyDVD on Windows20:22
foobarryeww20:22
* diddledan wanders off to plop it on the charger20:22
daftykinsi'm not sure of a Linux equivalent - we're talking titles that dd cannot help with20:22
foobarryi wonder how they play on dvd players20:22
daftykinswell basically, DVD players are dumb enough to go "oh an error, i'll skip on"20:22
daftykinswhereas a PC (or rather the optical drive firmware) is trying to be a reliable interpreter and error check that read20:23
foobarryare there many dvd like tis?20:23
daftykinsyep20:23
daftykinsi've had it on new pressings of old titles, new titles... no real rule to it20:23
foobarryi remember i had X&Y by coldplay20:23
daftykinsalthough it tends to be that Sony Pictures and Disney titles are very common for it20:24
foobarryand if you rip it to mp3 then it had nasty errors in20:24
foobarrythat cd players ignore20:24
foobarrybut the mp3 had KCCCHHHHHHT20:24
foobarryevery 20s20:24
daftykinsamusingly, when Sony first developed this protection, they rendered a lot of their own DVD players as obsolete, promising firmware updates but never releasing20:24
daftykinshaha, yeah nasty stuff20:24
daftykinssometimes it doesn't even pay to be a legitimate consumer20:24
foobarryso i never got round to properly getting a rip although i owned the cd20:24
foobarryand who listens to cds?20:25
daftykinsi always buy on CD and rip to FLAC20:25
daftykinsi do not like this digital future idea of buying a product which is defective by design at the outset20:25
daftykinsalthough there is some music that i can buy online in FLAC straight away20:25
daftykinsnice, open places20:26
diddledanthe park?20:26
daftykins:D20:26
diddledanwith swings and slides and jungle jims?20:26
daftykinsplaces such as these are where we enact our free use \o/20:27
diddledanor should that be jungle gyms?20:27
foobarrydads are viewed suspicously inthose places20:27
diddledanfoobarry: so are uncles20:27
foobarryand wobble boards20:27
diddledanapparently it's frowned upon for me to say that a 6year old girl is "cute"20:27
foobarryparks are the main place for dads with weekend access20:28
diddledanor "pretty"20:28
foobarrythe problem is when your kids are on the other side of the playground and you are left on your phone browsing the web20:29
foobarryNote: Installed Chrome apps do not support the Chromecast. Please use https://plex.tv/web for casting.20:31
foobarryhmm20:31
foobarrytrying to decipher that message20:31
daftykinsfoobarry: we employed a student a couple of years ago to rip 950+ film DVDs to disk, probably ended up with ~20 that couldn't be done via conventional methods :)20:46
diddledanboo, lightning miles away20:50
diddledansomeone over on the east, can you point your fan out a westerly facing window please to blow it my way?20:50
gebbionedoes rsync automatically remove files from remote ?21:20
gebbioneif deleted at source?21:20
mgdm_tyou need the --delete switch, IIRC21:22
mappsgrmpf21:42
mappsstill having trouble with strongswan21:43
mapps:(21:43
luashi there21:57
daftykinshi22:01
luasi think that i destryed my pc :P22:03
daftykinsoh dear! what's up?22:03
luas*destroyed22:04
luasi tried  to upgrade from ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 and now i cannt login :-/22:04
daftykinswhat did you run?22:04
luasi faced some troubles and i run really many commands :p22:06
luasand that's why i told you that i destryoed my pc22:07
daftykins>_<22:08
luasffff22:08
daftykinsso right now you can't login graphically, but can you log in at a TTY? e.g. ctrl+alt+f1 should show a login22:08
luasyes, i still can get a terminal by pressing ctrl alt f122:09
daftykinsso login there22:09
luasand i run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and i got several errors22:10
luasand i cant connect to my wifi...22:10
daftykinswhy would you run that? you've already been staring at a login screen :)22:10
luasyes but as an error i got failed to start new session22:12
luasand i cannt login neither in my account nor in guest account22:12
daftykinsok, unfortunately i'm now in the middle of something22:13
daftykinsideally you want to look up the .xsession-errors file and see if there's anything in it22:13
daftykinsalso if it's a laptop, get it online temporarily via a cable if you can22:14
daftykins#ubuntu will have more active users22:14
luasok22:14
luasi ll do it tomorrow.22:14
luastoday i just want to break it22:14
luaslol22:14
luasi really thank you22:15
luasi ll try tomorrow to find a solution22:15
luas:-/22:15
daftykinsas long as you prepare the above, there should be plenty of assistance22:16
luasTHANK YOU22:17
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