| msx | hello everywhere, my sincere congratz for the awesome release of 14.04 LTS, amazing indeed. And it's regarding something I found you guys did there why I am here: I run Xubuntu on my laptop, a shi!@$%$% HP with hybrid GPU Intel/ATi, with Xubuntu vgaswitcheroo works great meaning the DIS GPU (ATi) is turned off by default. | 00:01 |
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| msx | Now, when running Ubuntu 14.04 on the same laptop (dual boot) I can't make it turn off the DIS GPU. Could you tell me what's the magic you did to be able to turn off the DIS GPU!? | 00:03 |
| msx | Or point me to any resource I can read, oc :) | 00:03 |
| msx | s/everywhere/everyone/g | 00:03 |
| msx | LOL | 00:03 |
| int0x666 | hello | 02:25 |
| int0x666 | i'm trying to write a kernel mode driver | 02:26 |
| int0x666 | for xubuntu x64 | 02:26 |
| int0x666 | my installation doesn't seem to have come with the source? | 02:26 |
| msx | int0x666: hi, do an apt search linux- to list the name of the package containing the source for your image | 02:28 |
| int0x666 | :0 | 02:29 |
| int0x666 | it returned an enormous number of results | 02:29 |
| msx | let me check | 02:30 |
| msx | yeah, i really like apt but the way it shows search results is somewaht uncanny | 02:31 |
| msx | $ aptitude search linux- | grep source | 02:31 |
| msx | int0x666: ^ ^ | 02:31 |
| msx | provided you have aptitude installed, oc | 02:32 |
| int0x666 | installing it atm | 02:32 |
| int0x666 | hey cool | 02:33 |
| int0x666 | so uh | 02:33 |
| msx | you can use apt too, but i think aptitude shows results in a tidier way... | 02:33 |
| int0x666 | does this mean i have the source on my hard drive, or is it telling me the name of the package containing the source that i need to download for my version? | 02:33 |
| int0x666 | i've only been a user of xubuntu for two months or so | 02:34 |
| msx | int0x666: well, debian package management is a bit tricky, at least for me since it's built of a lot of different components being the most notable dpkg and the apt-get/apt/aptitude combo | 02:35 |
| msx | int0x666: you can check if a package is installed by checking the letter right to the name of the package, like: | 02:35 |
| msx | p linux-source-3.13.0 - Linux kernel source for version 3.13.0 wit | 02:35 |
| int0x666 | p means i have it? | 02:35 |
| msx | the installed packages will show an i instead a p | 02:35 |
| int0x666 | p linux-source - Linux kernel source with Ubuntu patches | 02:36 |
| int0x666 | v linux-source-3 - | 02:36 |
| int0x666 | p linux-source-3.13.0 - Linux kernel source for version | 02:36 |
| msx | int0x666: ^ ^ | 02:36 |
| int0x666 | so which am i looking for? | 02:36 |
| msx | int0x666: exactly. | 02:36 |
| msx | And... | 02:36 |
| msx | another way to look for installed packages: $ dpkg -l | grep {pattern} | 02:36 |
| msx | $ dpkg -l | grep linux- | 02:37 |
| msx | that will answer with the installed packages matching that pattern in their name | 02:37 |
| msx | dpkg --help for the whole switch list | 02:37 |
| int0x666 | while that does sound handy | 02:38 |
| int0x666 | i would like to know how i should determine which of the three packages it returned should be installed | 02:38 |
| msx | int0x666: there's not a clear way in debian i'm afraid :P | 02:40 |
| msx | you have to know what you're looking for | 02:40 |
| msx | in this particular case I think | 02:40 |
| msx | linux-source-3.13.0 will do it | 02:40 |
| int0x666 | yeah | 02:40 |
| int0x666 | i just installed that one | 02:40 |
| int0x666 | then i started prying the keys off of my keyboard | 02:41 |
| int0x666 | and damn | 02:41 |
| int0x666 | this is a new keyboard | 02:41 |
| int0x666 | got it about three months ago | 02:41 |
| int0x666 | and there's already filth caked inside of it | 02:41 |
| int0x666 | thank you so much for the help btw | 02:42 |
| msx | np | 02:43 |
| msx | i'm enjoying a new kbd too, a logitech | 02:43 |
| int0x666 | is it a mechanical keyboard | 02:43 |
| msx | a baseline model, but rocks :D will try to keep it in conditions! | 02:43 |
| msx | awesome!!! | 02:43 |
| msx | mech kbds are bomb, i'm looking to buy one | 02:43 |
| msx | *the bomb | 02:44 |
| int0x666 | i <3 it | 02:44 |
| msx | i can imagine, absolutely | 02:44 |
| int0x666 | hmm | 02:58 |
| int0x666 | yeah i'm giving up | 02:58 |
| int0x666 | thanks for the help though! | 02:58 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: I see the same thing - gmb and parole both stop audio on seek | 06:58 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, thanks for confirming. | 07:22 |
| Noskcaj | I wonder if the issue is in precise and trusty. | 07:23 |
| elfy | not from memory it's not | 07:26 |
| elfy | I found it in clementine first - but that appears to be ok now | 07:27 |
| ochosi | from what i can tell, it's a bug in gstreamer | 07:31 |
| ochosi | the players do what they do with every other file | 07:32 |
| ochosi | but seemingly "gst + ogg + seeking = fail" | 07:32 |
| elfy | I'd assume so ochosi | 07:32 |
| elfy | gst + whatever + seeking = fail | 07:32 |
| ochosi | hm, that sounds bad | 07:33 |
| elfy | actually | 07:33 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think gst1.0 has gotten worse in that respect | 07:33 |
| elfy | flac is fine whatever that uses | 07:33 |
| elfy | mp3 fails | 07:33 |
| ochosi | well flac is quasi uncompressed | 07:34 |
| ochosi | anyway, it seems that the issue is worse with gst1.0 | 07:34 |
| elfy | yea | 07:34 |
| ochosi | (which is what those players are using) | 07:34 |
| elfy | anwyay - work calls | 07:34 |
| ochosi | with 0.10 i don't remember big problems with seeking | 07:34 |
| ochosi | sure, hf elfy | 07:34 |
| ochosi | (same here in fact) | 07:34 |
| ochosi | bbl | 07:34 |
| elfy | I'll try and get those SRU proposes issues onto laptop with trusty this afternoon/evening | 07:34 |
| ochosi | thanks | 07:45 |
| ochosi | btw, this one will also need to be verified very soon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744 | 07:45 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1309744 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu Trusty) "[SRU] Light Locker blanks the screen when playing video" [Medium,Triaged] | 07:46 |
| ochosi | it should land in trusty-proposed sometime today | 07:46 |
| ochosi | oh and while you're at it, there's also xubuntu-default-settings in trusty-proposed that needs verifying | 07:46 |
| ochosi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736 | 07:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1303736 in xfce4-power-manager "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [Undecided,New] | 07:46 |
| ochosi | see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736/comments/146 | 07:47 |
| forestpiskie | thanks pleia2 :) | 09:08 |
| pleia2 | forestpiskie: sure thing :) | 09:09 |
| ochosi | weee, xdg-utils is uploaded and accepted in trusty-proposed | 09:49 |
| slickymasterWork | \o/ | 09:51 |
| slickymasterWork | morning ochosi | 09:51 |
| ochosi | morning slickymasterWork | 09:51 |
| ochosi | it's so weird though, first it takes ages and suddenly everything happens lightning-fast | 09:51 |
| ochosi | from Laney uploading it to cjwatson approving it, that was less than 15mins | 09:51 |
| slickymasterWork | ochosi care to take a look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/AO7hLk0hFH and see what have I might forget? | 09:51 |
| ochosi | hm well, the removal of gthumb is highly optional, i | 09:52 |
| ochosi | 'd say | 09:52 |
| ochosi | the other things are good, but they need to be described step-by-step | 09:53 |
| ochosi | especially the things that are more complex, whisker and indicators | 09:53 |
| slickymasterWork | well the idea behind its removal was that it wasn't necessary, right? | 09:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, we can mention that we removed it and why (duplication of functionality) | 09:54 |
| slickymasterWork | yeah, I know. That's just the list that I wnated to be sure if there's nothing missing | 09:54 |
| ochosi | ok, great | 09:55 |
| slickymasterWork | if you remember something else please add it to that list ochosi | 09:55 |
| ochosi | will do | 09:55 |
| ochosi | has elfy had a look at that yet? | 09:55 |
| ochosi | i presume he has a bit of experience with that | 09:55 |
| slickymasterWork | no, I haven't manage to get in touch with him yet | 09:56 |
| ochosi | ah right | 09:56 |
| ochosi | forestpiskie: ^ :) | 09:56 |
| slickymasterWork | :) I know | 09:56 |
| bluesabre | good job ochosi | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:20 |
| ochosi | thanks | 10:21 |
| ochosi | let's move along with the verification | 10:21 |
| ochosi | good news is we can verify the things ourselves | 10:21 |
| ochosi | (which was the context in which i mis-posted that in #shimmer) | 10:22 |
| bluesabre | cool | 10:51 |
| * bluesabre will be working on merge requests and reviews this weekend | 10:51 | |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: I see xfce4-session 4.10.1-7 on debian now, should we merge that instead? | 11:06 |
| slickymasterWork | thanks knome ;) | 11:26 |
| elfy | elfy has no idea what you're talking about ... | 11:59 |
| elfy | ochosi bluesabre - are all the SRU updates now available in -proposed for trusty now? | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | elfy: yes | 12:31 |
| bluesabre | menulibre lightdm-gtk-greeter xubuntu-default-settings xdg-utils | 12:32 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy, we were talking about http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/15/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t10:44 | 13:45 |
| slickymasterWork | forestpiskie: ^^ | 13:46 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, I verified the xdg-utils fix. | 13:50 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: thanks a bunch! | 14:52 |
| ochosi | elfy, jjfrv8: folks, we really need someone to confirm the x-d-s patch for us | 15:00 |
| ochosi | the problem is there are still "confused" users who have mostly other problems with suspending that keep poking this bugreport | 15:00 |
| ochosi | they set it to verification-failed | 15:00 |
| ochosi | which is plain wrong | 15:00 |
| ochosi | the patch is a no-brainer and only completes an existing sru | 15:01 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, I didn't try the x-d-s one because I'm laptop-less atm. Can one simulate it on a desktop? | 15:27 |
| jjfrv8 | I suspend my regular Trusty desktop all the time and have never had the problem. | 15:31 |
| jjfrv8 | Just saw bluesabre's comment on the bug report and he says it only applies to laptops, so I guess I can't help right now. | 15:34 |
| ochosi | yup, no worries | 15:38 |
| ochosi | if you don't have a laptop, there's nothing you can do | 15:39 |
| slickymasterWork | forestpiskie, ochosi, knome, http://pad.ubuntu.com/AO7hLk0hFH | 16:04 |
| slickymasterWork | regarding indicators in particular I would like your views on it, as I'm not 100% certain that my approach is completely correct | 16:05 |
| knome | oh poo | 16:06 |
| knome | forgetting a site in the firefox history makes it also forget the creds | 16:06 |
| slickymasterWork | I noticed that knome because in Chrome happens the same thing | 16:07 |
| knome | time to dig back up some files from backups then, i guess | 16:08 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, no, i think it's correct without an "an" | 16:15 |
| knome | i'm referring to screen locking in general | 16:15 |
| slickymasterWork | but ins't 'an' a general article ? | 16:16 |
| knome | sure, but i don't think it's used in this situation | 16:17 |
| knome | elfy! | 16:17 |
| slickymasterWork | and I'm under the impression that is generally used before words beginning with a vowel sound | 16:17 |
| knome | well that's another way to put it | 16:17 |
| knome | (see the pad) | 16:17 |
| slickymasterWork | the use of the action verb "...r brings you,..." is what makes me think of the need of that article | 16:18 |
| knome | well you don't say | 16:19 |
| knome | "i need a freedom" either | 16:19 |
| slickymasterWork | whatie?! | 16:19 |
| slickymasterWork | that's completely different | 16:19 |
| knome | (unless you need a specific freedom) | 16:20 |
| knome | not really... | 16:20 |
| knome | improved screen locking is not a single thing | 16:20 |
| knome | it's a bigger entity | 16:20 |
| slickymasterWork | you're speaking about a concept (even though I know you could use your argument against me) ;P | 16:20 |
| slickymasterWork | freedom isn't tangible, screen locking is | 16:21 |
| knome | lol | 16:21 |
| knome | well let's use another example | 16:21 |
| knome | you don't say | 16:21 |
| knome | "i need screen saving" | 16:21 |
| knome | err | 16:21 |
| knome | i mean, | 16:22 |
| knome | you don't say | 16:22 |
| knome | "i need a screen saving" | 16:22 |
| knome | you say "i need a screen saver" | 16:22 |
| slickymasterWork | notice the difference between the verb forms in those setences | 16:22 |
| knome | see the pad now | 16:22 |
| knome | now it makes sense to have the "an" | 16:22 |
| knome | but i think it's clumsy to talk about a "screen locker" | 16:22 |
| slickymasterWork | i like it better like it's now | 16:23 |
| knome | yep, but if we made it "screen locking", then we'd have to drop the "an" ;) | 16:23 |
| slickymasterWork | lol, I won't argue with the grammar and syntax police :P | 16:24 |
| knome | i'm not perfect in grammar, but what you proposed just didn't sound right | 16:25 |
| slickymasterWork | do you think of anything else that should be added to that list knome? | 16:25 |
| knome | do we want to talk about how to get the default 14.04 panel layout etc? | 16:26 |
| knome | or in other words, removing your current custom user-specific config | 16:26 |
| slickymasterWork | well the idea behind this list was the things needed to do after that upgrade, do you see that as a need? | 16:27 |
| knome | some people might want that | 16:28 |
| knome | it's not something you *need* to do | 16:28 |
| slickymasterWork | and it was meant to be just a quick list | 16:28 |
| knome | another question is do we poke people at mugshot | 16:28 |
| slickymasterWork | I don't think that falls under it, mainly because we're speaking about a new app that isn't replacing anything | 16:29 |
| knome | well you asked if i had something else in mind :P | 16:29 |
| knome | sure | 16:29 |
| slickymasterWork | and mugshot was already covered in the release notes | 16:29 |
| knome | i know | 16:30 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll take it as a no, then | 16:30 |
| elfy | knome: what? | 16:30 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy, we were summoned to solve a grammar dispute between me and knome ;) | 16:31 |
| elfy | oh ok | 16:31 |
| slickymasterWork | see http://pad.ubuntu.com/AO7hLk0hFH please | 16:31 |
| elfy | not now slickymasterWork - might get to look tomorrow at some point | 16:31 |
| ssarah | hei guys i'm new. kind of a jack of all trades. you got a little bit of grunt work for me? | 16:32 |
| slickymasterWork | so tomorrow while you're at it, see also today's logs to see what the dispute was about | 16:32 |
| elfy | if | 16:32 |
| elfy | I'm really busy with other stuff atm | 16:32 |
| slickymasterWork | no problem ;) | 16:33 |
| ssarah | back :) | 16:39 |
| slickymasterWork | ssarah: see http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ | 16:39 |
| ssarah | aight | 16:40 |
| ochosi | ssarah: and if you have questions, you can obviously always ask here | 17:24 |
| ochosi | knome: fwiw, ppl seem to be still digging the 14.04 wallpaper a lot (seen it on many screenshots on g+), so prepare to create something equally nice for 14.10 ;) | 17:37 |
| ochosi | (or a variation of the 14.04) | 17:38 |
| ssarah | hey guys | 17:55 |
| ssarah | im working on a script for a new version of ubuntu for the government | 17:55 |
| ssarah | right now it's a couple of bash scripts that remove and put in stuff | 17:56 |
| ssarah | it's pretty ugly | 17:56 |
| ssarah | any advices on how i should do it / someone to ask to? | 17:56 |
| ssarah | well, not just this one, i have to make 3 or 4 more "distros" | 17:57 |
| Unit193 | I have a whole system with different modules, but it's not the most pretty either. Would you be looking to Do It Properly™? | 18:19 |
| Unit193 | "Iain Lane (laney) has assigned this bug to you for xdg-utils in Ubuntu Trusty:" - Shiny, it got counted as mine and assigned to me. :3 | 18:36 |
| ochosi | heh, a stroke of luck i guess ;) | 18:45 |
| ochosi | well anyway, thanks for the debdiff Unit193 | 18:45 |
| Unit193 | Got it in updates too. | 18:46 |
| ochosi | fool me once, try again, fool me twice... | 18:47 |
| ochosi | (or however gwb said that) | 18:47 |
| Unit193 | xubutrello: card 78 move to 14.04.1 Done | 18:48 |
| xubutrello | Couldn't find any list named: "14". Aborting. | 18:48 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, Do you not have upload rights for xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? | 21:01 |
| Noskcaj | And could you please look at bug 1334185 | 21:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1334185 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Please merge 1.3.0-1 from debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334185 | 21:02 |
| ochosi | ahoi everyone | 22:47 |
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